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Finally, I am glad that, in the age of the Internet, it is no longer possible to suppress a book.
Ah! And one doesn't have to go to all the trouble of writing and publishing a book to survive on the Internet for over 10 years, apparently. This is also from 2004:
Alerting Naked Emperors in an Age of Academic Arrogance

And this is from todin:
How Hindus for once used the legal system well
Raises an interesting question, as he always does:
There is an intriguing question as to what 'Freedom of expression' a non-Indian is entitled to in India. Not being a lawyer, I don't know, but an educated guess is that, in fact, a foreigner is entitled to no such freedom as an explicit guarantee in the Constitution or the criminal or civil codes; however, that there are commonly accepted guidelines that most nations (except authoritarian ones) may follow in the spirit of reciprocity.
In the old days we used to say that in the USA, one could stand on the steps of the US Capitol and say: The President of the USA is a villain!.

And the Soviets responded: One can stand on the steps of the Kremlin and declare exactly the same thing!
But today I wonder if one can say these things if one is a US citizen (sure! You can stand on the steps of the Capitol and say that Prex Obama is a villain) but can a foreigner do so? Sure? What about "freedom after speech"?
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One by One Pseudo Dominoes are falling , Pseudo Scholars, Pseudo Seculars , PSeudo Leaders, PSeudo Indians , PSeudo Intellectuals. BDY Haarvarad Sanskrit PSeudo Scholars was the first one to go quiet. Then These Sooth Asian gang consisting of Taxi Driver leadership to One Phone call Riot Blocker Joker to Ass-Tosh Golgappa wala. PSeudo leadership of India will fall in May and the SV momentum given wheel of Dharma now will begin going full circle.
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:idea:
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Wow, Shreeman's onto something....thanks, UlanBatori, for that 2004 article! Good work. Screw the (brfee) keyboard indeed, and do something worthwhile out there. Good advice Shreeman!
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UlanBatori wrote:
One Phone call Riot Blocker
Hmmm!!! U know about that one, huh? :idea:
My tribe dont forget for seven generation. Snake Gazing is very addictive old habit. :lol:
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May I be the first to congratulate you and the sages on the forum regaining its relevance, even getting new trainees!

It won't help, but its better than nothing (and a second match might actually be more interesting that the first!).
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matrimc wrote:S. Vedantam is same guy who holds forth on NPR now a days?
He does on science/research kind of things.....but what is your context? I missed it.
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http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140214/j ... v26brQy2Ak
Powell jab at Modi after handshake
CHARU SUDAN KASTURI
"New Delhi, Feb. 13: US ambassador to India Nancy Powell today became the senior-most American diplomat to meet Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi in eight years, but quickly followed up a handshake with two sharp jabs signalling that a thaw both sides have laboured over remains incomplete...
Powell heard out Modi’s assertions on Gujarat’s development but then articulated to the chief minister that the US retained its concerns over “human rights” violations in 2002 in the state, American diplomats aware of the discussion confirmed to The Telegraph.
But an even stronger signal followed after she left his residence.
Powell, who is in Gujarat for two days, next met Modi’s long-time rival in state politics — leader of Opposition Shankarsinh Vaghela from Congress for a meeting that lasted for 50 minutes, almost as long as her meet with the chief minister. Congress leaders Arjun Modvadia and Sidharth Patel also attended that meeting.
“I told the ambassador that despite Modi’s marketing, human rights violations remain routine in Gujarat,” Vaghela told this newspaper over telephone from Gandhinagar. “I also told her that encounter killings remain frequent under Modi’s watch."”......
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I won't read much into Nancy Powell meeting Shankar Singh Vaghela. It was done for equal-equal to put up a show of political neutrality. She cannot appear to have travelled all the way to Gujarat just to meet NaMo. What is the relevance of Vaghela in the bigger scheme of things? He is not relevant even in Gujarat forget being of importance to US.
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g.sarkar wrote:“I told the ambassador that despite Modi’s marketing, human rights violations remain routine in Gujarat,” Vaghela told this newspaper over telephone from Gandhinagar. “I also told her that encounter killings remain frequent under Modi’s watch."”......
These people are really the pits of the earth to talk about internal politics of India with foreign diplomats and keep lying outright about the situation just to take pot-shots at their political rivals. Do they realize they are giving Goras fault lines to exploit by putting one Indian against another? Have these jokers learned any lessons from Indian history?
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Indian leaders are too shy to held khans accountable for their own gross human rights violations and genocides that they inflict on other nations, I.e. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Africa and their silence over SriLanka, treatment of blacks/Latino, Guantanamo bay, NSA activities and can be equally held responsible for most of civil wars in the world. If they argue where is the evidence, Namo can always shoot back and say where is the evidence against me ? The biggest bomb is their treatment of Native American and the true genocide that they carried out in the past. Have they given all the land back to their children's yet ? China rakes up all these issues when khan goes around to lecture them and the net result is their lips are zipped !
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Anti-Genocide Groups Slam Obama Administration For Meeting Controversial Indian Leader
by John Hudson, thecable.foreignpolicy.com
February 13th 2014

A decision by the U.S. ambassador to India to meet with a popular but controversial Hindu nationalist politician in Gandhinagar is fueling a war of words here at home between Muslim and anti-genocide groups on one side and an array of pro-India groups on the other.

On Thursday, Ambassador Nancy Powell met with the chief minister of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, in the most high-profile encounter between Modi, a Hindu nationalist leader, and a U.S. official since he was barred from traveling in the U.S. in 2005. The State Department revoked Modi's visa nine years ago because of accusations that he had done little to stop a spate of anti-Muslim violence in his region that killed some 1,500 people. But in recent months, blackballing Modi became untenable given his status as the front-runner to become India's next prime minister. That created a dilemma for the Obama administration and served as a vivid reminder of how events from more than a decade ago can still have repercussions years later.

"They should not have met at all," said Shaik Ubaid, a founder of the Coalition Against Genocide, a group that spreads awareness about the 2002 killings in Gujarat. "But I hope they at least talked about pogroms and concerns about religious freedom."

The rub on Modi is that many believe he approved or actively encouraged violence against Muslims in the 2002 riots. In 2012, the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, an advisory body, insisted that he not be issued another visa because of his role in the bloodshed. Modi and his supporters vehemently deny the allegations and point to an Indian Supreme Court ruling that found no evidence to prosecute him. As the prime ministerial candidate for the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which is ahead in most polls, he is favored to win enough seats to form a government after India's general elections in May. For groups in the U.S. dedicated to strengthening ties between the two countries, the meeting was long overdue.

"This move is only positive," Suhag Shukla, executive director of the Hindu America Foundation, told The Cable. "U.S. policy should be one of meeting all parties who could potentially lead the country. The largest and oldest democracies need to have a strong relationship."

Shukla said it was hypocritical of the U.S. to single out Modi for religious intolerance under the Immigration and Nationality Act while other more malevolent foreigners went unpunished. "Our stand is about parity in U.S. law," she said, pointing to examples of U.S. engagement with Pakistani, Sri Lankan and Bengali leaders accused of religious violence.

Sanjay Puri, the chairman of the U.S. India Political Action Committee, agreed. He warned that the U.S. risked being seen as meddling in India's internal affairs. "He's the duly-elected leader of a state of 60 million people," he said. "It is not our calling in the U.S. to interfere with India's electoral process. When we take a position on someone, it gets amplified and used by Modi's opponents."

That's exactly what the State Department wants to avoid as it navigates the sensitive terrain between Modi-watchers in the U.S.. "This is simply a meeting happening on the ground in India," said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki during a press briefing. "It's not a reflection of anything else than outreach to a broad range of officials."

In a short readout of the meeting, the U.S. Embassy in Delhi said that Powell and Modi discussed the importance of the "U.S.-India relationship, regional security issues, human rights, and American trade and investment in India."

For Modi critics, the statement was wholly unsatisfying. "I'm disappointed," said Biju Mathew, co-founder of the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate. As one of the original activists that successfully lobbied the State Department to revoke Modi's visa in 2005, Mathew said Washington owes the victims of the Gujarat riots an explanation for the meeting.

"It's quite common practice for officials to meet with politicians of prominent political parties in any country, but that is not the issue," said Mathew. "It's disappointing that there was no warning of the meeting and no explanation as to what transpired during the gathering. For instance: Which human rights issues were brought up?"

For the State Department, a number of thorny issues remain. Technically, it would not be difficult for Foggy Bottom to resolve Modi's travel status. Although the department originally determined that Modi was ineligible for travel under the Immigration and Nationality Act, it's not bound by that earlier decision. "Our long-standing policy with regard to the chief minister is that he is welcome to apply for a visa and await a review like any other applicant," State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told The Cable in December. "That review will be grounded in U.S. law." However, a Congressional aide familiar with the matter says Modi is demanding assurances from the State Department that if he re-applies, his application won't be rejected.

"At some point, the State Department has to acknowledge that Modi has never been convicted by any Indian court of wrongdoing," said the aide. "That's what Modi wants to hear."

Doing so risks inflaming the leader's vocal opponents in the U.S. But given the importance of the economic ties between the two countries -- $100 billion worth of trade each year -- it's unlikely that the State Department will let a decade-old dispute disrupt relations should Modi become the next prime minister. "The United States and India are moving forward with a strategic partnership that is broad and deep," the U.S. Embassy said in a statement.
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Defending Indefensible Political Ambassadors
by Kori Schake, shadow.foreignpolicy.com
February 13th 2014

America and the world were once again treated this week to the tawdry spectacle of wholly unqualified people being anointed by politicians to "serve" the country abroad, spending taxpayers' money to plump their self-importance, and denigrating American power in the eyes of the countries to which they are assigned. Some of the Obama administration's appointees have proved staggeringly ignorant in their Senate confirmation hearings, and this president has appointed more political cronies than previous administrations. The esteemed Henri Barkey rightly called out the administration for its hypocrisy that it treasures diplomacy while it appoints manifestly unqualified people to senior diplomatic posts. And I agree with him that doing so engenders anti-American sentiment.

But many critics of the practice of "selling ambassadorships" are perpetrating a fiction that our diplomats are otherwise skilled practitioners and experts. In truth, many political appointees prove better diplomats than our diplomats. The real problem is not that political leaders get to appoint a proportion of ambassadors -- it is that the State Department has no way of determining what makes an ambassador successful. There is no professionalization to the profession of being an American diplomat, and that is a far graver problem for U.S. foreign policy than the scattered cases of spectacularly ill-qualified political appointees.

Barack Obama's administration has made political appointments in about 30 percent of cases. That is up from about 25 percent in previous recent administrations, but it's not up by much. The president has been more overtly rewarding campaign contributors, but he has also made some genuinely fantastic political appointments, like Russia scholar and democracy activist Mike McFaul to Moscow (full disclosure: Mike is a colleague of mine at the Hoover Institution). Even someone as qualified as Mike had a rough time in his ambassadorship. Some of the failure can be ascribed to his not being a trained diplomat, some to his pushing forward new practices in diplomacy, as with his Twitter account, which most diplomats wouldn't venture. But most of the reason McFaul wasn't more successful in advancing American interests in Russia is because of Russia. The degree of difficulty in dealing with Vladimir Putin's authoritarian retrenchment, as well as the seeming placidity of so many Russians in the face of it, makes the Moscow posting as difficult as it is important.

Most of the egregious crony appointments don't go to important countries; they go to places where their incompetence can do little harm (the Bahamas, Belgium, Luxembourg). The ones who do go to important countries (a horse breeder to London in George W. Bush's administration) tend to go to countries with strong direct ties into the U.S. government (Japan currently burdened with Caroline Kennedy) and are therefore less dependent on the expertise of our embassy. And the State Department does a terrific job of ensuring that less qualified political appointees are compensated for by very strong professional staffs.

So the main problem is actually not the George Tsunises and Colleen Bradley Bells, as Barkey acknowledges. The main problem is not the outlier -- the catastrophic storm -- but the routine performance -- the regular climate.

The foreign service is almost as guilty as its political masters in appointing people without experience to senior positions. What, exactly, did Ambassador Chris Hill, a career diplomat, know about Iraq when he was appointed as ambassador there? Nothing. He didn't speak the language. He hadn't lived in the region. He didn't know the political leaders. He wasn't a huge success, it must be admitted, but the foreign service has no compunction about justifying his appointment.

What the foreign service would say in its defense is that Hill was a skilled negotiator, a proven deal-maker, someone who knew how Washington worked and was able to get things done. Why is that not also the description of people who could talk their fellow citizens into voluntarily doling out money to help elect political candidates whose priorities they support? And why isn't the ability to articulate and support the administration's priorities a central element of being a successful American ambassador?

Even the best of American diplomats, for example, Anne Patterson, are appointed to countries where they aren't steeped in local knowledge of the politics and culture; she got appointed to the U.S. Embassy in Pakistan because she is considered to have excellent "dealing with crisis states" skills. It's not immediately clear that a successful business person lacks those skills. Most businesspeople could give a better description of the drivers of American prosperity, the nature of U.S. bankruptcy laws and how they incentivize the risk-taking that powers innovation, how the immigration system works, and the banking crisis than can U.S. diplomats. That's not to knock our diplomats (though they do need much better education in economics and entrepreneurialism); it's just to say that the prima facie case for the superiority of professional diplomats isn't persuasive.

Especially since the foreign service does so little to educate and train its professionals (the Stimson Center and the American Academy of Diplomacy have done superb studies of the deficiencies). What is needed to improve the appointments system is a construct for determining what makes an ambassador successful, metrics for grading performance, training in those areas for political and career ambassadors, collection of data, a transparent assessment processes, performance reviews for individuals and units (embassies, directorates within the State Department), and consequences -- both positive and negative -- that incentivize improvement. It will be difficult to develop criteria to judge performance, and there are many factors that go into a complex mix. But that is no less true for judging the performance of combat commanders and business leaders and even politicians. As no less an authority than Bismarck said, "Politics is not a science … but an art."

The State Department is going in exactly the other direction, no longer pursuing or publishing inspector general assessments of embassies after a few celebrated humiliations. It merits contrasting that choice with the Defense Department's wire brushing of its own failings: The department publishes an Encyclopedia of Ethical Failure and is currently agonizing over whether there is an ethics crisis in the profession. Wouldn't it be wonderful if our diplomats took their professionalism seriously enough to hold themselves to such account?

Our professional diplomats sometimes come across as believing they know better than the people elected to run the country what the country's priorities should be. That by no means makes our diplomats exceptional -- most Americans believe we know better than our government. But our diplomats represent our country outside it and therefore have greater responsibility. That a third of those diplomats are ardent supporters of the person elected to run the country is no bad thing. Especially when our professional diplomats haven't bothered to establish the standards and practices to ensure their own performance is better than that of amateurs.
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I may have posted it before but this is rich, and needs a second look.

Below is second paragraph from PB's letter to the judge, released from PB's own press release.
Link: United States v. Devyani Khobragade 14 Cr. 008 (SAS)

- Please Note:
- PB Lies and makes a fool of himself (which was pointed out to the Judge and the media) - DK was in US when the indictment was returned. She has not "left" US even when the letter was sent to the judge. (She remained in US for several hours later as she did not take that AI flight :-o )

- He says that " There will not need to be an arraignment

- He is effectively asking the judge that he can not go further with his tamasa..but instead of dropping the charges, he is asking the judge to "suspend" the case, because he can't continue.. ("honestly youonne'r . :(( .. I did have a case :(( ,...honest no false charges. :(( .. but since she is not in US. :(( .. I am helpless to proceed . :(( . please save my H&D.. you can dismiss the case without "dismissing it"... if people think there was no merit in the case.. :(( all those DSS guys will be in big trouble.. they might come after me... :((
There will not need to be an arraignment on the Indictment scheduled at this time.
We understand that the defendant was very recently accorded diplomatic immunity status and
that she departed the United States today
. Therefore, the charges will remain pending until such
time as she can be brought to Court to face the charges, either through a waiver of immunity or
the defendant’s return to the United States in a non-immune status.
The time between now and
the time that she is able to be brought before the Court is excluded automatically under the
Speedy Trial Act, pursuant to Title 18, United States Code, Section 3161(h)(3)(A),
which
provides for the exclusion of any period of delay resulting from the unavailability of the
defendant. In this case, the defendant is unavailable because her “whereabouts are known but
[her] presence for trial cannot be obtained by due diligence or [she] resists appearing at or being
returned for trial.
(I hope, I know it won't happen but I can still hope, HerOnner helds PB for contempt of the court or perjury.. 8)
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SanjayC wrote:These people are really the pits of the earth to talk about internal politics of India with foreign diplomats and keep lying outright about the situation just to take pot-shots at their political rivals. Do they realize they are giving Goras fault lines to exploit by putting one Indian against another? Have these jokers learned any lessons from Indian history?
Saar, which history? They probably believe the Brits indeed civilized us, and anything before that is useless. I would recommend they watch the Godfather, especially the scene where the family meets Salazzo.
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Overall, I think we are giving too much importance to this meeting. Whether or not US Amby meets NaMo, or gives a visa, if BJP wins and he is elected PM, all of these 'powers' will have to meet him, give visa, etc., or risk having a diplomatic incident. The Indian public won't take too kindly to such spectacles involving their PM, after having voted for him (at least the non-congi and non-turds types). So, these powers' reps in India will wisely counsel their home govts. to quietly start engaging with GoI.
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I hope, I know it won't happen but I can still hope, HerOnner helds PB for contempt of the court or perjury..
Reminds me of the story that my co-urchins in Ulan Bator used to tell me, of the Proceedings in the South Ulan Bator Federal Magistrate's Court:
Defense Lawyer to Prosecutor: YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST LUMP OF COAL IN ALL ULAN BATOR!
Prosecutor to Lawyer: NO, YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST LUMP OF COAL IN ALL ULAN BATOR!
Hizzoner, banging gavel on the Podium: ORDER! ORDER! YOU ARE BOTH FORGETTING THAT I AM SITTING HERE!
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Anti-Genocide Groups Slam Obama Administration For Meeting Controversial Indian Leader
by John Hudson, thecable.foreignpolicy.com
February 13th 2014
Hmmm! Have u read the comments?
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UlanBatori wrote:
Anti-Genocide Groups Slam Obama Administration For Meeting Controversial Indian Leader
by John Hudson, thecable.foreignpolicy.com
February 13th 2014
Hmmm! Have u read the comments?
Now we need to connect all these " " groups with ISI funded lobby groups in US and DC and bring this in the public media.

The money flowing into the lobby for getting this kind of policy of the administration has been going on since the Clinton time.

India Pakistan and Indian internal politics is a discussion in US media and US policy makers since they have been receiving money from Pak and all these groups. This elaborate system was hidden from the Indian public for so long and lot of Indians believed the media.

Foreign countries and Foreign countries policy have zero influence inside India and any Indian who goes to these foreign country for fake support and money needs to be boycotted.
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Brief update on the War of Narratives in popular culture.

I subscribe to Netflix streaming service-- it has some 24 million subscribers in the US, and 26 million worldwide. For those who aren't aware, it's a video-on-demand streaming service where subscribers can watch films, documentaries, TV programs etc on their computers, hand-held devices or smart TVs. Their home page is customized for each user, and they regularly offer "suggestions" to viewers (generally, highlighting the films they want to promote).

In just the last month, I've seen three new documentaries being heavily promoted as "recently added" features:

1) "It's a Girl" - about anti-female discrimination and gender selection in India.

2) "The World Before Her"- a documentary that seeks to "explore the contrast between Western-style beauty pageants and Hindu fundamentalism" in India.

3) "Mother India" - "capturing the stories of abandoned and orphaned children living on the railways and streets of India".

Why is this remarkable? Well, I've been subscribing to Netflix for perhaps 7-8 years, and all this time there has never seemed to be a disproportionate influence of the US Atrocity Industry over their programming... at least, not in terms of material targeting India. Yes, some obvious propaganda films would appear now and then: Deepa Mehta's "Water", and another anti-Hindu film called "Dharm" directed by one Bhavna Talwar. But by and large, in the overall Netflix selection, the frequency of such India-focused hit pieces seemed to be about the same-- or even less-- than their normal distribution in all of US cinema and TV programming. In fact, China was the more frequent propaganda target in terms of documentaries about "human rights", unfair business practices, Tibet etc.

As of very recently, this seems to be changing in a big way. The sudden emergence of THREE new hit pieces within a single month, and following this closely on the heels of the DK affair, is probably not a coincidence.

Also, notably, a supposedly "humorous" film called "The Muslims are Coming" has been heavily promoted on Netflix of late. This movie apparently satirizes mainstream American attitudes towards Islam, and is geared at shaming liberals (via comedy) into becoming more Islamophilic. Exactly the kind of pro-Islam propaganda project that Uzra Zeya seems to have been officially involved in. It gives one pause to wonder how much "soft" influence the SD (and other GOTUS limbs) may have over Netflix's programming (and the popular media in general).

TIFWIW, but I think it's certainly a bellwether of things to come. A major PR/image offensive in the War of Narratives is on the cards.
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RD ji, didn't one of the wikileaks speak about how SD staff were 'encouraging' b'wood film-makers to toe their line with some incentives at a meeting in london ? part of the same offensive ?

>> Hmmm! Have u read the comments?

I see that after a couple of sane comments India's PM-in-Exile satish chandra (he hu claimed BR mods are CIA/RAA agents) has also made an appearance. :lol:
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UlanBatori wrote:
I hope, I know it won't happen but I can still hope, HerOnner helds PB for contempt of the court or perjury..
Reminds me of the story that my co-urchins in Ulan Bator used to tell me, of the Proceedings in the South Ulan Bator Court:
Defense Lawyer to Prosecutor: YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST LUMP OF COAL IN ALL ULAN BATOR!
Prosecutor to Lawyer: NO, YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST LUMP OF COAL IN ALL ULAN BATOR!
Hizzoner, banging gavel on the Podium: ORDER! ORDER! YOU ARE BOTH FORGETTING THAT I AM SITTING HERE!
You have a point there sir. Just realized the arrest warrant had to be signed by HerOnner. Now if she did her due diligence (of that "check and balance" type so that judge has some oversight) about simple things like immunity and/or just cause she could have put a stop to this whole shameful saga. :evil:
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TIFWIW, but I think it's certainly a bellwether of things to come. A major PR/image offensive in the War of Narratives is on the cards.
And the first line will be the brown sepoys like Komireddi, Vardarajan, without even counting the Mishras and the Roys. BJP/NaMo really needs articulate elite to counter these narratives in the western press. I wonder whether the narrative alone can derail investments and such try to scuttle economic growth or whether it will have little effect on it.
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Amber G. wrote:Just realized the arrest warrant had to be signed by HerOnner. Now if she did her due diligence (of that "check and balance" type so that judge has some oversight) about simple things like immunity and/or just cause she could have put a stop to this whole shameful saga. :evil:
The judge that signed arrest warrant was a different one. It does not take away UB/your point.
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Anti-Genocide Groups Slam Obama Administration For Meeting Controversial Indian Leader
by John Hudson, thecable.foreignpolicy.com
February 13th 2014
svinayak wrote:
UlanBatori wrote: Now we need to connect all these " " groups with ISI funded lobby groups in US and DC and bring this in the public media. The money flowing into the lobby for getting this kind of policy of the administration has been going on since the Clinton time.India Pakistan and Indian internal politics is a discussion in US media and US policy makers since they have been receiving money from Pak and all these groups. This elaborate system was hidden from the Indian public for so long and lot of Indians believed the media. Foreign countries and Foreign countries policy have zero influence inside India and any Indian who goes to these foreign country for fake support and money needs to be boycotted.
Bro, yuwar dil eej in the right place, but I hobe yoo are one of those who have bosted comments. The commie-pakis are coming in, they need "education". One does not win anything by sitting at home (figuratively speaking) and making declarations - the site is there, to go register and express yuwar opinion. Why? Who cares? If no one else, Googleswara does. This is how ***we*** turned opinion around, 1999-2002, long before "9-11". It's hard work, but beats the heck out of building up one's own BP. Always strive to spread the BP generously around, and use the commie-pakis' OWN efforts to inform everyone of what they are.
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Important: Calling all yaak herders, Lawyers, Diplomats ... ..
sivab wrote:
Amber G. wrote:Just realized the arrest warrant had to be signed by HerOnner. Now if she did her due diligence (of that "check and balance" type so that judge has some oversight) about simple things like immunity and/or just cause she could have put a stop to this whole shameful saga. :evil:
The judge that signed arrest warrant was a different one. It does not take away UB/your point.
Yes, HerOnner was
Judge Debra Freeman of
Southern District of New York.


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Hello Sivab, I read this Many places .. . Even wiki has this:
Based on the charges filed by a special agent with the US Department of State, Bureau of Diplomatic Security, the United States Magistrate Judge Debra Freeman issued an arrest warrant against Khobragade. Khobragade was arrested by US Department of State's Diplomatic Security Service on December 12, 2013 around 9:30 am after dropping off her daughters at school on West 97th Street in Manhattan.
The copy or the document:

Link: pdf of the document

(Edited Later: I see that Sivab has removed the post .. I am keeping this post just for clarity)
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Rudradev wrote:I subscribe to Netflix streaming service-- it has some 24 million subscribers in the US, and 26 million worldwide. For those who aren't aware, it's a video-on-demand streaming service where subscribers can watch films, documentaries, TV programs etc on their computers, hand-held devices or smart TVs. Their home page is customized for each user, and they regularly offer "suggestions" to viewers (generally, highlighting the films they want to promote).
Their suggestions are no more targeted promotions than say google's search results. Bar editorial overrides and kill switches, those suggestions are generated via machine learning. Netflix machine learning contest
As of very recently, this seems to be changing in a big way. The sudden emergence of THREE new hit pieces within a single month, and following this closely on the heels of the DK affair, is probably not a coincidence.

Also, notably, a supposedly "humorous" film called "The Muslims are Coming" has been heavily promoted on Netflix of late. This movie apparently satirizes mainstream American attitudes towards Islam, and is geared at shaming liberals (via comedy) into becoming more Islamophilic. Exactly the kind of pro-Islam propaganda project that Uzra Zeya seems to have been officially involved in. It gives one pause to wonder how much "soft" influence the SD (and other GOTUS limbs) may have over Netflix's programming (and the popular media in general).
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Sunni Islam is the Kalashnikov wielding terror arm of the SD. So the comparisons may be entirely intentional. They will try to support this vile project until the Saudi backed Islamists have done maximum damage they can around the world and when their use is over, they will be dispensed away with without any emotion.

Guantanamo was a project to punish those terrorists who were NOT enamored of this cleavage of anglo-saudi views, and held independent Islamic views.
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KrishnaK wrote:Bar editorial overrides and kill switches, those suggestions are generated via machine learning. Netflix machine learning contest
Bliss to note that u are posting on the forum inhabited by the famous Democracy Expert A********, author of the dictum:
Vote Early. Vote Often. Close yuwar Browjer and ishart again each time.
How was the Great Wars oph See Enn Enn won, I pooch u? How did we sweep the week-long Opinion Poll Jihad against equally democratic Red Chinese postors, hain?

U think Enn Ess Ay can't make a program that generates "User Opinions" on something as trivial as NetFlix?
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Rudradev wrote:It gives one pause to wonder how much "soft" influence the SD (and other GOTUS limbs) may have over Netflix's programming (and the popular media in general).
They don't need direct influence. All they need to do is to use the system to their advantage. For example:

1) Netflix streaming generally sucks. Its database of movies is pathetically small. Not to be confused with its DVD database that is huge.
2) These sorts of documentaries cannot be shown profitably in any theater. No theater chain is going to bother.
3) Netflix looking for content, any content + a documentary in need of distribution = match!
4) Machine learning and all that bakwas aside, business models in data are all about promoting content. Just like Yahoo sends email ads at the top of your list, or Tumblr posts ads on your timeline, or twitter posts promoted tweets, Netflix must have a mechanism whereby someone can pay to get "recommended".
5) Payment budget could be arranged by Uzra Zeya types if needed.
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KrishnaK,

OT, but almost all well-known on-line shopping web sites offer the same, referred to as "recommender systems". Its part of the growing trend of the latest buzz word "bigdata analytcis". The math is not that complicated, but the trick is how best to get each person's preferences so they can build a good profile, and other system architecture challenges. I have not used netflix that much, but how good are their recommendations?
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g.sarkar wrote:http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140214/j ... v26brQy2Ak
Powell jab at Modi after handshake
CHARU SUDAN KASTURI
"New Delhi, Feb. 13: US ambassador to India Nancy Powell today became the senior-most American diplomat to meet Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi in eight years, but quickly followed up a handshake with two sharp jabs signalling that a thaw both sides have laboured over remains incomplete...
Powell heard out Modi’s assertions on Gujarat’s development but then articulated to the chief minister that the US retained its concerns over “human rights” violations in 2002 in the state, American diplomats aware of the discussion confirmed to The Telegraph.
But an even stronger signal followed after she left his residence.
Powell, who is in Gujarat for two days, next met Modi’s long-time rival in state politics — leader of Opposition Shankarsinh Vaghela from Congress for a meeting that lasted for 50 minutes, almost as long as her meet with the chief minister. Congress leaders Arjun Modvadia and Sidharth Patel also attended that meeting.
“I told the ambassador that despite Modi’s marketing, human rights violations remain routine in Gujarat,” Vaghela told this newspaper over telephone from Gandhinagar. “I also told her that encounter killings remain frequent under Modi’s watch."”......
Gautam
It just shows SS Vaghela as an useful idiot. That guy will go nowhere.

Here is what SS Vaghela should have done - "I refuse to meet Shrimati Powell ji. They targetted a constitutional office and interfered in affairs of India. Now they realize their own stupidity, they want to make amends but want to use me as a cover over their tattered honor and dignity".

But instead, Vaghela brays like an a$$ and talks about extra-judicial killing - what an idiot. And with idiots like this, CongIs want to remain in power!!
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I am shocked, SHOCKED! US Amby Nance-e-Powell went to Gujurat, and met ONLY with Yindoos! :((
So she met with the Chief Murderer since he is elected, and with one sore loser whom no one elected, whyfor she did not vijit Godhra and talk to hajaar-hajaar losers there? This is an insult to honor, dignity and sovirginity of all the Pakis in Godhra. Even my 27th coujin Abdul bin Kabul was vijiting in Godhra at the time, she did not vijit him either. I am hoping she went back to Dilli by blane so that she got her cavities searched per SOP.
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Wrt to the war of narratives, caste and women rights have been staple diet for Western imperialists. This time it is backed by an ultra leftist US administration. The ultimate aim is to declare certain castes as a separate race, whatever that means, and then impose apartheid like sanctions against India till we reform or capitulate. Of course, as with everything else, once Yevil Yindoos get baptised in the nearest pond or river all ills of Yindoo casteism will be wiped off.

That said the US is a lot like Pakistan. It has to always be not like something pre-existing to validate itself. It was formed to be not like Europe. During Cold War time it had to be not like the Communists. It now needs to revalidate itself by being not like the most ancient sanatan dharma nation, India. The internal US narrative is never pro anything but always anti something. Example is never capitalist but always anti communist. So US must do everything to rid India of everything Indian. If necessary US marines will be used for the purpose. At this stage one must wonder how our friends north of Northern Himachal have managed to deflect attention from themselves to the caste ridden, slave driving, Hindu.
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Why shouldnt Modi raise Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc? Do you think he would have and it was not reported in the media?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/15/world ... rries.html

First four paragraphs:
NEW DELHI — India, the second-largest exporter of over-the-counter and prescription drugs to the United States, is coming under increased scrutiny by American regulators for safety lapses, falsified drug test results and selling fake medicines.

Dr. Margaret A. Hamburg, the commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration, arrived in India this week to express her growing unease with the safety of Indian medicines because of “recent lapses in quality at a handful of pharmaceutical firms.”

India’s pharmaceutical industry supplies 40 percent of over-the-counter and generic prescription drugs consumed in the United States, so the increased scrutiny could have profound implications for American consumers.

F.D.A. investigators are blitzing Indian drug plants, financing the inspections with some of the roughly $300 million in annual fees from generic drug makers collected as part of a 2012 law requiring increased scrutiny of overseas plants. The agency inspected 160 Indian drug plants last year, three times as many as in 2009. The increased scrutiny has led to a flood of new penalties, including half of the warning letters the agency issued last year to drug makers.
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US is doing Modi no favour:
It is merely that the US is hedging its bets. It may be noted that, during NDA rule, the US took a strong interest in Sonia Gandhi, over and above what one might normally expect a foreign government to show towards a leader of the Opposition. At the time, this was dismissed as westerners being comfortable with each other, but then too, they were hedging their bets. More intriguing motivations have been suggested, but we shall let this pass. The fact is that the US has realised that their snippiness towards Narendra Modi (since 2005) has become counter-productive. The US, first and foremost, is a mercantilist state. It is not for nothing that there was a 1960s axiom that “what’s good for General Motors is good for the United States” ... There was also George Kennan’s alleged quote about how the objective of American foreign policy is to ensure that the US continues to enjoy 50 percent of the world’s resources. ... India that may be one of the last big untapped reservoirs of consumer demand, thanks mostly to its ‘demographic dividend’ of a young, and thus working/earning, population in decades to come. .... It must be rather evident to them by now that Modi is unlikely to be the type that forgets and forgives easily; better, then, to build some bridges to him.

A group of Indian Communists and Islamists, spearheaded by a librarian at MIT named Omar Khalidi (now deceased, as he got hit by a train) made determined efforts to declare Modi, in effect, an untouchable, based on alleged violations of the rights of Muslims. But it is likely that evangelical Christians were using the Muslims as a smokescreen, as this blog suggests. The US Council on International Religious Freedom is a thinly-disguised facilitator of conversion activities by Christians. In Gujarat’s Dangs district, their determined assault on the tribal population had been checkmated to a large extent by the Ekal Vidyalayas and other outreach by Hindu groups; this, I conjecture, annoyed the US. You might remember the vicious campaign launched by Indian Communists in the US against groups such as the Indian Development and Relief Fund a few years ago, possibly as a consequence. Besides, the edifice of lies about ‘2,000 Muslims massacred’ in Gujarat was manufactured by a padre in Gujarat and propagated by the UK’s envoy. This was a partial fabrication, since the best data as presented to Parliament by the UPA government (hardly one that is friendly to Modi) is that 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were killed. But in true Goebbelsian fashion, the lie about a one-sided massacre of Muslims was repeated ad nauseam until it became ‘truth by repeated assertion’. All the better to beat the BJP with, as they have a history of being susceptible to being shamed. There is also the sinister possibility that the US feels that ‘assets’ it has long cultivated in the Congress Party are in danger of being rendered impotent. It may be remembered that Jaswant Singh at one point said in so many words that there was an American mole “high up in the Indian government”. He declined to identify the alleged mole, and I suspect he was encouraged to shut up by a little gentle arm-twisting from certain quarters. Naturally, the loss of long-cultivated and strategic assets is something that no power wishes to see. Thus there has been a general tendency on the part of the US to demonise Modi. So long as there was no consequence to this tactic, things worked well. But now there is a non-trivial possibility that Modi will come to power. ...
But I am pretty sure Narendra Modi is aware of the standard American tactic of hounding those who deviate from their line (and, conversely, rewarding those they can push around). In the past several years, this has taken the form of continuous, vicious propaganda against Vladimir Putin of Russia – the latest has been in the form of derogatory reports about the Sochi Winter Olympics, which, despite their Cassandra-like warnings, has gone well so far. Part of the problem is ego, too: Putin has outsmarted President Obama more than once, for instance over Syria. The other person now bearing the brunt of American-instigated harassment is Shinzo Abe of Japan. Finally, here is a Japanese leader who is willing to stand up for his nation’s honour, and the Anglophone media is full of negative stories about him, especially about his visit to the Yasukuni Shrine, where Japan’s war-dead are interred. Along with “several Class-A war criminals”, the Anglophones always gravely intone. So Abe mustn’t go there? Well, who declared them war criminals? Of course, it was the American-led kangaroo court, which, the lone Indian jurist, Radhabinod Pal, pointed out in his strong dissent, was merely a vindictive victor’s court interested not in justice but in revenge. The proverbial impartial observer might wonder, even though it sounds blasphemous even as I write it, how many of the ‘heroes’ in America’s Arlington National Cemetery would similarly be deemed war criminals by a jury of their peers. We all know of the atrocities in Southeast Asia: William Calley and My Lai leap to mind. And what about the generals who dropped the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Or those who bombed innocent bystander Cambodia into the genocidal hands of the Khmer Rouge? No, no nations are pure as the driven snow. The Yasukuni breast-beating is a pressure tactic, applied with great diligence by the Chinese too. I think the same tejovadham treatment is being applied to Modi as well. They don’t think he will be anywhere near as pliant as Congress regimes have been, so they have been doing their best to demean him and diminish him. But now that he’s being wooed by them, he should heed the words of Theodore Roosevelt: “Speak softly and carry a big stick”. Or to use another metaphor, watch out for the knife in the back. Or, to go back to the epics, beware of a Dhritharashtra-alinganam,or of Greeks bearing gifts. Be afraid, Mr. Modi, be very afraid.
Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/india/us-is-do ... ef_article
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