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muraliravi wrote:
uddu wrote:
Agree, I have seen many who claim to be Hindus but is more fundamentalist and support Islamic ways of living than most of the Islamists. Dont know whether this is the hangover from Islamic times imposed on Hindus during Islamic rules still having an affect even today.
Hmm, it has nothing to do with what you have stated. Maybe you should dig more into jewish history and see that after all they are not so innocent. Maybe you will see that they are the brains behind ww1 & 2, maybe you will see how they forced the balfour declaration. Isn't it wild that a race so miniscule that has hardly contributed to even 1% of the science and tech inventions in the last 400 years has so much monopoly on the money generated by some of the most innovative countries and people on earth. It may even interest you that the 1st director of the east india company was a jew.

Is it just a coincidence that bollywood which is controlled by mullahs has only one objective: Brainwash hindus and subject them to guilt complex with movies like "my name is khan" and keep trolling the same hindu=muslim crap and Hollywood which is royally owned by Jews has already already done the same to white americans with spielberg types and their schindler's lists. Maybe just like many of us in India feel how the MSM owned by x-tians, muslims and lefties have erased chapters of hindu genocide, it is right for american whites to feel how their cnn's and msnbc's (run by jews like wold blitzer of course) have built up this whole concept of multi cultural america, when in reality america was made a super power by white americans.

Is it just a coincidence that the whole immigration restriction act was repealed in 1965 due to lobbying by Emanuel Celler (a jew of course), is it just a coincidence that in almost all states where the US is considering giving out drivers licenses to illegal aliens, the move is 1st proposed by a jewish senator (illinois and washington state examples are staring at your face)

Even though I would love hindus in India to take it again to its zenith, lets give credit where it is due, the white race has done great service to science and tech in the last 400 years that no one else has and jews are nothing in this game barring a few exceptions like einstein here and there
I think this post is a glaring instance of the shallowness of some specimens of the Indian mind which has kept India's people in subjugation for ever so long.

The Jews are like one small caste of India (let's say kayasthas for illustration). Despite their misguided blind devotion to the jealous god Jehovah/allah, they managed to keep the good graces of Lakshmi and Saraswati and just by surviving in a savage environment that an Indian of any caste can barely comprehend, over the millennia, gained some cumulative wealth in both aspects. More power to them, warts and all.

It is really weird to read about the glories of the "white" race. Would you credit the "black" race with invention of firemaking, or the "arab" race for the invention of the wheel? This line of thinking is exactly racism pure and simple, and super-stupid coming from an Indian. Why not then just embrace the "white" religion of Christianity and "white" culture wholesale, making sure it is pre-1940s because otherwise all the anti-jew portion of "white" culture won't be there? After all, you have already bought white racism--no inverted commas--and added an Indian accent to it.

Humans are basically inventive, and till recently no one generally went around thinking of themselves as having a black or white or some other fake racial identity. Tribes and castes are more natural divisions, and inventions result from settled conditions (which allow nerds to survive) along with high demand for their work.

This is all majorly OT and I hope admins will clamp down on such spewing of ignorant and downright stupid racism.
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Saudi Arabia sends 30,000 troops to Iraq border-
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Saudi Arabia has announced it is sending 30,000 soldiers to monitor the border with Iraq, amid fears over the spread of Islamic State
The southern border with Saudi Arabia, which regards itself as vulnerable to the threat of jihadism, is more than 500 miles long. Large parts of it are with Anbar province, the centre of Islamic State power in Iraq and now almost entirely under the control either of the group itself or of Sunni Arab tribes that have allied with it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... order.html
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wig wrote:Saudi Arabia sends 30,000 troops to Iraq border-
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Saudi Arabia has announced it is sending 30,000 soldiers to monitor the border with Iraq, amid fears over the spread of Islamic State
The southern border with Saudi Arabia, which regards itself as vulnerable to the threat of jihadism, is more than 500 miles long. Large parts of it are with Anbar province, the centre of Islamic State power in Iraq and now almost entirely under the control either of the group itself or of Sunni Arab tribes that have allied with it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... order.html
to say to maliki, submit to isis or you will face us.
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From NightWach for the night of 2 July 2014
Iraq: Fractiousness among the Arabs. The invasion by fighters of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria has fractured Arab relations in Iraq. However, the breaks go deep, as shown in three news items.

First, Atheel al-Nujaifi, the governor of Nineveh Governate, called today for the formation of what he called a Sunni region possessing a degree of autonomy.

Comment: The US discouraged the formation of a federal state, except for the Kurdish autonomous region. Various Shiite and Sunni groups have sought to establish autonomous regions based on diversity of cult, but the US required the Arabs to work together. Without the US military presence, that unity has proven to be superficial.

ISIL's invasion has given the Sunni tribes the edge they needed to assert their political demands with some expectation they would be respected. The significance of the first item is that it shows that even al-Maliki's Sunni appointees do not necessarily share the vision of Iraq as a unitary state without institutional checks on the invariable domination by Shiite demographics.

Second, forces loyal to Prime Minister al-Maliki fought with Shiite militiamen in the holy city of Karbala. At least 45 people were killed when government forces raided the headquarters of a firebrand Shiite cleric.

Comment: This item is a reminder that the Shiite population is notoriously fractious, which made it fairly easy to govern by a Sunni minority. Shiite factions are fighting during Ramadan and in the middle of a conflict that is potentially existential for Iraq. Karbala is one of the holy places they supposedly are trying to protect from tthe ISIL violence.

The third item is about Sunni cooperation. An army force backed by sons of the Sunni tribes and the Awakening has taken control of a key road that links Haditha in Anbar Governate and Baiji in Salah-al-Din Governate. The effect of this effort is to cut one of ISIL's lines of communication between governates and back to Syria, according to Iraqi security officials.

Comment: Sheikh Abu Risha, the leader of the Anbar Awakening said last week that his tribal militias would fight ISIL, as they fought and defeated its predecessor before. This item indicates he has kept his word. Other Sunni tribes, notably the Dulaymi, are willing to work with ISIL.

Yesterday, Abu Risha met Shiite leader Ammar al Hakim, who heads the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, which is one of the most influential Shiite groups, to discuss the security situation. The meeting occurred independent of the al-Maliki government. These Sunni and Shiite leaders recognize that ISIL's defeat is the first priority. That makes them allies of al-Maliki, whom both men dislike.

Iraq-Iran: Multiple news services have reported that Iran has supplied Iraq with Su-25 ground attack fighters to help it counter ISIL. The Aviationist was the first to report the arrival yesterday of seven Iranian Su-25s at Imam Ali air base, formerly known as Tallil. The seven join the 10 or 12 received last week from Russia.

Comment: Open sources indicate that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps air force had about a dozen Su-25s in its inventory. The Aviationist reported that 10 Iranian pilots accompanied the aircraft. It also said there are five Iraqi air force pilots qualified to fly Su-25s.

Iraq yesterday requested Russian assistance in meeting Iraq's need for supplies and weapons for the Su-25.

With the arrival of US Apache gunship helicopters, four air forces will be flying missions in Iraq, including the Syrian air force. Some news services have reported that Iranian fighter jets have been flying missions against ISIL targets for at least a week. Air traffic control should be interesting.

Syria: The Emir of the al-Nusrah Front published a "Message to Mankind" in which he stated his intention to punish Jews and Shiites; to free Sunni prisoners in Roumieh Prison in Lebanon; and to wage war against Lebanese Hizballah inside Lebanon. To Hizballah he said, "Expect the ire of the Sunnis." He concluded by calling on the people of Lebanon to rise up.

Comment: The statement said it was a response to the expectations of his followers for guidance about a new policy towards Hizballah and Shiites in general. The new policy looks a lot like the old policy of punishing apostates and killing non-believers.

The timing is curious because Hizballah has been fighting in Syria for two years. The declarations by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) might have spurred the al-Nusrah Front to stake out its claim to leadership and territory. The al-Nusrah Front also called for more men to join the fight against ISIL.

A point of tangency between the al-Nusrah Front and ISIL is that they both intend to conquer Lebanon.

Jordan: Jordanian officials said the government has decided to recruit at least 3,000 personnel for the paramilitary Gendarmerie in order to improve security along the border. The plan is to train the additional personnel within the next six months.

"We are following with concern the events in the east," Jordanian Interior Minister Hussein Majali said. On June 25, Majali briefed the Cabinet on the ISIL threat along Jordan's borders. He said both the military and security forces intensified monitoring of the kingdom's 181 kilometer border with Iraq.

Comment: The immediate threat to Jordan appears to have eased, but southern Jordan around Ma'an remains restive. Some of the youths demonstrated for ISIL last week.

The ISIL invasion has unhinged regional relationships. Iranian, Syrian, American and Iraqi pilots will soon be flying missions to defeat ISIL. Turkey finds the Kurds preferable to ISIL. The Sunni Kingdoms of Jordan and Saudi Arabia also must work to defeat ISIL or risk unrest at home. ISIL sympathizers are in all the Sunni states.

ISIL's chances of consolidating an Islamic State diminish as more aid flows to Iraq. Nevertheless, its invasion of Iraq has created a historic watershed by reviving the idea that present boundaries are not necessarily permanent and by spotlighting the profound differences in religious observances and interpretations across the region that beget hostility.

The consensus that extremists must be defeated means that regional leaders have agreed, inchoately, to preserve the international system they know. They judge it is preferable to the chaos they fear would accompany almost any alternative.
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the KSA will likely establish arms dumps and secure camps for the ISIS!

btw I suggest take the discussion on jews to some other relevant thread. there is already one open report on this.
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KLN Murthy wrote:
I think this post is a glaring instance of the shallowness of some specimens of the Indian mind which has kept India's people in subjugation for ever so long.
thx KLNM.
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Iraq: Examining the Professed Caliphate
Summary

The Islamic State, previously known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, has changed its name, but otherwise the militant group remains the same. Over the past weekend, a spokesman for the group announced that it had established a caliphate stretching from Diyala province, Iraq, to Aleppo, Syria. The caliphate is a political institution that the Islamic State claims will govern the global Muslim community. "Iraq" and "Levant" have been dropped from the organization's name to reflect its new status.

The trouble with the announcement is that the Islamic State does not have a caliphate and probably never will. No amount of new monikers will change the fact that geography, political ideology and religious, cultural and ethnic differences will prevent the emergence of a singular polity capable of ruling the greater Middle East. Transnational jihadist groups can exploit weakened autocratic states, but they cannot institutionalize their power enough to govern such a large expanse of land. If anything, the Islamic State's drive to unify the Middle East will actually create more conflicts than it will end as competing emirates vie for power in the new political environment.

Analysis

In recent years, the term "caliphate" has become somewhat warped; it has become more of a slogan for radical Islamist groups than an actual political objective. Even the Islamic State, which has made impressive territorial gains quickly, has only an emirate, which encompasses a far smaller geographic area than a caliphate. Establishing an emirate is not terribly remarkable. Similar groups have established emirates before: The Taliban ruled more than 90 percent of Afghanistan prior to 9/11, and al Qaeda franchise groups oversaw short-lived emirates in Yemen and Mali.

Still, the Islamic State's announcement is the first serious attempt at re-establishing the caliphate since the institution was abolished in 1924 by the Turkish republic, which replaced the Ottoman Empire after World War I. Over the past 90 years, there have been a few attempts to revive the caliphate, but none were particularly successful. Notable examples include Hizb al-Tahrir, which rejects democracy and nationalism, and more recently, al Qaeda.


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The Caliphate: Origin and Evolution

Caliphate is derived from the Arabic word for "successor," a designation for those who would govern the Muslim community after the Prophet Mohammed died. However, Mohammed did not appoint his political successor; such a person was supposed to be elected by the community. Differences quickly emerged as to who should lead the Muslims subsequently. One camp preferred Mohammed's closest associate, Abu Bakr, while another camp favored Mohammed's cousin and son-in-law, Ali. The group loyal to Abu Bakr would later be known as Sunni, and the group loyal to Ali would later be known as Shia.

But neither group knew exactly how it wanted a caliphate to function. Centuries later, the Shia developed a theory whereby the leadership of the community is not political, but rather divinely ordained. Even among the Sunnis, the caliphate was not a neatly outlined system of government. Their texts include only general principles for politics and governance; most practices were developed as the situation arose.

Abu Bakr eventually became the first successor, or "caliph," in 632. After roughly two years in office, he died of natural causes and another top lieutenant of Mohammed, Omar, took over. He was assassinated a decade later, but not before he appointed a council of six men to elect his replacement. They chose a man named Uthman, during whose tenure Islam saw its first significant, and violent, political disagreements, which ultimately led to Uthman's assassination.

The Iraq-Syria Caliphate

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Ali succeeded Uthman, but by that time the divisions within the caliphate had worsened beyond repair, leaving Ali to manage three separate civil wars. He, too, was later assassinated, bringing an end to what was known as the Rashidun caliphate and giving rise to the Umayyad caliphate.

As an institution, the caliphate would continue to be central to Islam for some time. But it declined well before the modern era. In Egypt, the Mamluks (1250-1517) kept the term caliphate more for religious symbolism than political necessity; their authority came from military power rather than from pledges of the faithful. Even the Ottoman Empire was more akin to a sultanate. It was not until 1517, when Sultan Selim I defeated the Mamluks, that the Ottoman sultans assumed the title of caliph. But even then, the caliphate lay dormant until Sultan Abdul-Hamid II unsuccessfully tried to revive it in 1876. When the caliphate was abolished in 1924, it had not really existed for centuries.

Truthfully, the caliphate was nearly always in flux. Even during the Abbasid era (749-1258), which is considered the golden age of the caliphate, autonomous and sometimes independent emirates and sultanates threatened the central government. The Abbasids overthrew the Ummayads, but the Ummayads maintained a rival caliphate on the Iberian Peninsula from 929 to 1031. At roughly the same time, another rival caliphate led by the Fatimid dynasty based itself in Cairo (909-1171).

In actuality, a single entity able to rule the entire Muslim world did not exist but for a brief period of early Islamic history. Geography constrained every regime. For a while, the caliphs in Medina, Kufa, Damascus, and Baghdad ruled large expanses through a sort of provincial system, but over time provincial rulers accrued power and in some cases independence. These rulers would sometimes ally with the caliph, but their loyalties would change as other power centers emerged.

Resurrecting the Caliphate

As a concept, the caliphate has evolved throughout history. The basis for Sunni jurisprudence was formed during Mohammed's rule and the Rashidun era. But interestingly, no caliphate ever referred to itself as the "Islamic State," though the Ottomans adorned honorific names like "The Exalted State." The notion of an Islamic state is actually a modern development, a response to the rise of the secular nation-state.

Of course, not all Muslims advocate the creation of an Islamic state any more than they reject the nation-state. And even those that do agree in principle may disagree on the methods used to create it. Radical groups like Hizb al-Tahrir and the Islamic State want to replace the nation-state with a caliphate. Moderates may take a more measured approach.

But all this points to a larger issue: The role of Islam in politics remains unsettled. Most Muslims have embraced such ideals as nationalism, republicanism and democracy. But radical groups are as relevant as ever, due in no small part to the rise of secular authoritarianism, Islamism, the failure of Arab/Muslim states to build viable political economies, the Arab-Israeli conflict and the U.S. wars in the Muslim world. These issues have helped militant Islamists drum up support, vying for a return to the past by restoring the caliphate.

Until now, calls for its restoration were disregarded as propaganda. In light of the Syrian civil war and the Sunni insurgency in Iraq, such calls are arguably much more significant. The Islamic State knows it probably cannot create a caliphate, but simply saying as much benefits the group tactically: It stokes fear in the West and, considering it was announced during the first weekend of Ramadan, it appeals to Muslim sensibilities.

Plenty of Muslims, Islamists and jihadists reject the Islamic State. But for now, the group wants to use the caliphate to consolidate control over newly acquired territory. In the long run, the declaration of the caliphate also helps the group to resurrect the concept in political discourse, especially as the region is in such disarray. The Islamic State knows the declaration of a caliphate and a caliph is an issue that the Muslim world will have to address as it reconciles the role of Islam in politics.
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harbans wrote: LOL, one can't argue much with a PhD in Islamic Studies and that too a Caliph! Easily the most intelligent, qualified of all the 4 caliphs in the past. he knows exactly what he is doing. Shia's at the receiving end will whine a bit. Action on the ground will depend upon how Iran reacts. Israel is also enraged at the teenagers' killings just in, and they are blaming Hamas for it. ISIS have access to lots of oil, cash, water resources, chemicals. They'd not hesitate to use chemical weapons in towns/ cities..or even poisoning water resources. ME looks set for explosion, unless some major power moves in. Would really like to hear ShyamD's views on the situation.
I quote what I said back in Dec 2011
Basically western Iraq - may secede to the new Syria (since they have the same sunni tribes). You heard it first here.
April 2012
the plan or at least a threat is for anbar, KRG to secede to 'free Syria'. Take with it 70 billion barrels of oil. Syria will be a powerful and a very viable state. Anbar and eastern Syria have the same tribes anyhow.
There's also a great chronology of events - if you search for 'anbar' as a search term on my posts.

- ISIS wasn't part of the plan.
- It is ultimately to pressure Maliki to stop gaining 3rd term (this depends on success of the sunni military operations - at the moment they have the upper hand).

This ends in 2 ways - Iran/Iraq militia militarily put down the sunni uprising or KSA ask the sunni tribes to stop fighting. A tie is a best case scenario for the GCC.

Last post on this and back to the mountain.
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From a post made in 2011:
Basically western Iraq - may secede to the new Syria (since they have the same sunni tribes). You heard it first here.
Wow! Thanks for bringing those posts up. Knew you'd been saying something about that long ago. Good to hear from you again Shyam ji. Also possibly a fresher analysis from your POV on the developing situation in the region would be welcome!
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shyamd, Good to see you again. Missed your posts.


Good article from Talmiz Ahmad


Indians in Iraq - A Reverie
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Shyamji welcome back.
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ISIS seems to have almost no TSPians though no doubt many eager recruits would flock to it if they allow. mostly seem like central asians, chechens, dagestanis, western recruits, mostly fair skinned types with iraqi-syrian tfta sunnis.

a terror outfit without any TSPians is like lionel messi without his famous jersey.
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^^ Because the Paki potential recruits are too busy fighting in the Zarb-e-Suburbs?
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Folks stop spewing anti-Jewish rhetoric. Thanks,
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muraliravi wrote: Even though I would love hindus in India to take it again to its zenith, lets give credit where it is due, the white race has done great service to science and tech in the last 400 years that no one else has and jews are nothing in this game barring a few exceptions like einstein here and there

What are you talking about? As you can see from this, no other ethnic group comes close by a million miles. There is a reason why they dominate the world!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Je ... _laureates

The Nobel Prize is an annual, international prize first awarded in 1901 for achievements in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature, and Peace. An associated prize in Economics has been awarded since 1969.[1] Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 850 individuals,[2] of whom at least 20% were Jews or of Jewish descent, although Jews comprise less than 0.2% of the world's population,[3] (or 1 in every 500 people). Overall, Jews have won a total of 41% of all the Nobel Prizes in economics, 28% of medicine, 26% of Physics, 19% of Chemistry, 13% of Literature and 9% of all peace awards.[4]
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What happened? I made an oblique reference to the Jewish lobby in DC and all of a sudden this forum turned into stormfront.com.

Enough with all the jew talk - let's get back on topic: how the US is destroying the world, or how I learned to stop worrying and love Obama. :wink:
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Thanks Chaps but unfortunately I'm not hanging around. Feel free to contact me anytime at
eye.on.middleeast at gmail dot com
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the job postings on the academi website are all for foreign postings, austere conditions with titles like armourer, scan eagle UAV operator, .... a lot of heavy lifting seems to be done by these outside agencies. greystone even has a aviation arm offering vip transport.
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Shyamd ji good to see you again. Anywhere else you are writing?
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shyamd wrote:Thanks Chaps but unfortunately I'm not hanging around. Feel free to contact me anytime at
eye.on.middleeast at gmail dot com
The forum will miss your pro-US, pro-Sunni propaganda. Good night sweet prince.
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Dipanker wrote:
muraliravi wrote: Even though I would love hindus in India to take it again to its zenith, lets give credit where it is due, the white race has done great service to science and tech in the last 400 years that no one else has and jews are nothing in this game barring a few exceptions like einstein here and there

What are you talking about? As you can see from this, no other ethnic group comes close by a million miles. There is a reason why they dominate the world!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Je ... _laureates

The Nobel Prize is an annual, international prize first awarded in 1901 for achievements in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature, and Peace. An associated prize in Economics has been awarded since 1969.[1] Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 850 individuals,[2] of whom at least 20% were Jews or of Jewish descent, although Jews comprise less than 0.2% of the world's population,[3] (or 1 in every 500 people). Overall, Jews have won a total of 41% of all the Nobel Prizes in economics, 28% of medicine, 26% of Physics, 19% of Chemistry, 13% of Literature and 9% of all peace awards.[4]
One Indian called Amartya Sen got Nobel because of his wife who was jewish and connected to the Rothschilds or something else. So it's like they will keep rewarding their own again and again shamelessly on some pretext or the other, and it is time to ignore the ignoble awards.

On other note, Indian nurses released. They have crossed border to Kurdistan, to reach Kochi tomorrow.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/iraq-liv ... 76009.html
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As per Swami
Subramanian Swamy ‏@Swamy39 1h

So Namo's tough secret message to ISIS has worked. Nurses reaching Kochi tomorrow morning at 7 am
Thank God that the nightmare ended for these Nurses.
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discussions with Sunni tribal elders in Tikrit is what helped ultimately to release them nurses. India has old links with these tribal leaders stretching from time of Saddam. Also ISIS is just a few hundreds, main fighting force consists of these Sunni tribes under various groups.
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Look forward to hearing what happened behind the scene regarding the release of these nurses. This is a major achievement!
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Kudos to Modi Govt despite all the hulla-Gulla by media and failed politicians..
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shyamd wrote:Thanks Chaps but unfortunately I'm not hanging around. Feel free to contact me anytime at
eye.on.middleeast at gmail dot com
Yeah, we'll miss your "you heard it first here...", "my source...", "Assad will fall in...", and your endless U-turns on everything from the US pullout, jihadi terrorism, etc. :lol:
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and the _________________________________________
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And global waaaarming warnings.
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India’s Iraq Problem
NEW DELHI – Iraq seems to be falling apart, with the rapid advance of the militant Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) threatening to lead to the country’s division into Shia, Sunni, and Kurdish entities, while blurring its border with its turbulent western neighbor. Moreover, the tumult is now threatening to spread to two more nearby countries, Afghanistan and Pakistan, which already are facing myriad internal challenges. For India, the message is clear: its national security interests are at risk.After almost four decades of war, Afghanistan is, once again, teetering on the edge of a precipice. Just last week, following allegations of massive fraud during the country’s recent presidential election, thousands of protesters marched on the presidential palace. Given that the aggrieved candidate’s constituency comprises mainly ethnic Tajiks, the events have revived Afghanistan’s deep-seated ethnic tensions.Pakistan’s internal struggles – from inter-communal conflict to relentless terrorist activity – are well known. In fact, the country recently experienced a major terrorist attack, which not only led to more than 29 deaths, but also rendered Karachi’s international airport – the country’s largest – dysfunctional for nearly 12 hours. Just a couple of weeks later, gunmen fired at a Pakistan International Airlines plane as it was landing in the northern city of Peshawar, killing one passenger and injuring three crew members.
Poorly considered American interventions, especially the invasion of Iraq in 2003, have exacerbated the region’s myriad animosities and security challenges. Far from bringing peace to Iraq, the military campaign – carried out on the pretense of eliminating weapons of mass destruction – fueled more violence. Unable to stabilize itself, Iraq – which initially demanded that the United States withdraw all of its troops – has been requesting renewed American involvement. Will Afghanistan, too, soon be asking the US to return should the Taliban stage an ISIS-like surge?Iraq’s struggle as a unified state is nothing new. It began almost exactly a century ago, when the United Kingdom and France created a new map of the Middle East via the Sykes-Picot Agreement. The Pakistani journalist Yasser Latif Hamdani has emphasized the imprudence of the British-French approach, which entailed drawing borders that roped in diverse peoples – the consequences of which are starkly apparent in countries like Iraq and Pakistan.
In this context, as Richard Haass recently pointed out, “the potential for prolonged political-religious wars within and across boundaries, involving both local and foreign forces and militias and governments, is great.” Indeed, the region is “unraveling by the hour.”The momentum is now with ISIS – an Islamist organization even more extreme than Al Qaeda. Though ISIS has often been characterized as a Sunni organization, it is important to note, as Ali Khan Mahmudabad has observed, that the group’s ideology closely resembles that of the radical seventh-century Kharijite sect, which also felt embolden to denounce, and then kill, other Muslims as nonbelievers.In any case, the Iraqi army is a defeated force. According to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, almost one-quarter of Iraq’s combatant battalions no longer have an “order of battle,” with their equipment lost and their soldiers having abandoned their posts. Similarly, US officials say that more than one-third of Iraqi army divisions are “combat ineffective.”
It is no surprise, therefore, that Iraq has lost control over its border crossings with Syria. In fact, the Iraqi government could even begin to lose its grip on its frontier with Jordan in the not-too-distant future, allowing an entirely new set of destabilizing forces to wreak havoc on its territory. An Iraqi commander recently summed up the challenge: “We don’t have enough intelligence information; we don’t have good air coverage; we are battling very well-trained groups that have good experience in street fights, that are moving fast between cities and villages.”The question now is whether the Middle East as we know it will remain intact for much longer. After World War I, the British field marshal Archibald Wavell presciently observed that, “After ‘the war to end war,’” the victors “seem to have been pretty successful in Paris at making a ‘Peace to end Peace.’” He foresaw what now seems obvious: the imposition of artificial arrangements in the Middle East would only engender conflict.
For India, this uncertainty amounts to a serious security challenge, requiring that it transcend the role of silent spectator. After all, India itself is one of the world’s largest Muslim countries, with some 177 million Muslims, both Sunni and Shia. With the forces destabilizing the Middle East unconfined by national borders, India simply cannot risk having the growing Sunni-Shia civil war spread to its population.The region needs a new security paradigm. For its own sake, and the sake of its neighbors, India must take an active role in creating it, and soon.Indeed, given China’s growing influence in Pakistan and Afghanistan, this act of diplomatic creation could prove to be a key test of how China views its relations with India. The Chinese can decide to cooperate with India and others to forge a new structure of peace for the greater Middle East or, instead, to use the growing risks that India and its neighbors face to pursue small tactical advantages. India’s relationship with China may depend on this choice for many years to come.
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And just so we don't forget or allow unohu to forget:

On other note, Indian nurses released. They have crossed border to Kurdistan, to reach Kochi tomorrow.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/iraq-liv ... 76009.html

The nurses are mostly Xtian.. From Malloostan. They would probably not have voted for NaMo to be PM.

They would have been crucified (after whatever other joys) if the ISIS got around to their fun rules for Kuffars.
So much for NaMo and his team not caring about all citjens. Keep that one in the database for future use....
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Some channels are claiming it was the work of Kerala network and Oomen Chandy rather than GoI
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>>it was the work of Kerala network

No doubt :roll: More like the Kerala nutwork... that they were there in the first place.
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UlanBatori wrote:And just so we don't forget or allow unohu to forget:

On other note, Indian nurses released. They have crossed border to Kurdistan, to reach Kochi tomorrow.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/iraq-liv ... 76009.html

The nurses are mostly Xtian.. From Malloostan. They would probably not have voted for NaMo to be PM.

They would have been crucified (after whatever other joys) if the ISIS got around to their fun rules for Kuffars.
So much for NaMo and his team not caring about all citjens. Keep that one in the database for future use....
Let me say on behalf of all Christiandom that we are extremely grateful to Modi for rescuing Indian citizens who were just Christians onlee and may have not voted for Modi. Yes indeedy.
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Kudos for effective, quiet and understated diplomacy from GoI working to protect Citizens. Hopefully this will enable us to create systems to handle such occurrences Globally.
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Ashok Sarraff wrote:Look forward to hearing what happened behind the scene regarding the release of these nurses. This is a major achievement!
The fault of these nurses though. They were told to move out but refused. Classic situation
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What about the stranded construction workers? They were mostly from Punjab I believe.
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Kerala state govt send its own officers. Which other state govt did that? Punjabis are still trapped right? lets give the credit where its due. MEA task is to bring the citizens. Its not Kerala Govt's. But it acted on its interest of its people. It is also clear from the behavior of other state govts

http://beta.english.manoramaonline.com/ ... umbai.html
there are 183 passengers, including 23 crew members and three government officials, including a joint-secretary level IFS officer and an IAS woman officer from Kerala on board the flight
http://beta.english.manoramaonline.com/ ... urses.html

http://beta.english.manoramaonline.com/ ... urday.html
"The government of India, the embassy in Baghdad and the state government, all have worked together and finally we are achieving the objective to bring back the nurses to India," he said.
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Omman Chandi showed extra interest in this case because the nurses represent his vote base.

How much interest does he show to help other malloos who also could benefit from his such actions?

http://www.siasat.com/english/news/carg ... dubai-year
There was a Malayalam report that many of them are from Kerala. But there was 'zero' effort from Kerala CM to help these people.

Let's call what it is - Omman Chandi's actions, though commendable, were in his own personal interest.
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Thanks for the link, bad situation, but it doesn't say they are from Kerala

Also there are other officers (even now) from Kerala in Irbil, Iraq co-ordinating the rescue of others too. Those rescued nurses includes people from other states and communities (There were 67 from Andhra, do you see Andhra state reps in Iraq?)

Again I repeat, in the case for above links, where is MEA on that? I am not discounting their help for the nurses in any case
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More power to them, whether they are Center or State.
But the smart thing to do is to be a bit proactive and get ppl out of such areas a bit before they become stuck. That is where the Embassies and MEA baboo log need some serious "Upanishad" as in explaining the fact of life to them about how people are supposed to do the jobs that they are hired to do.
It is not a good idea to have to seek favors from warlords.
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