CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 May 2012 02:41

Timing of the report in 2012 is important. This is an indication of what they want out of this false allegation at this time. Look for the lobby which is sponsering this report.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 28 May 2012 03:23

Surya, the big problem is the Indian establishment does not even refute such claims and lets them fester. I wish the GOI had the foresight to actively counter such ridiculous and obvious hatchet jobs by coming out with forthright rebuttals. This hatchet job by these two brits will surely be used to attack India and Indian interests. There are enough rtd folks out there to openly rebut this sort of rubbish without even an official reply by GOI, if thats the requirement.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 30 May 2012 20:54

Complaints from CAPFs on lack of air support continue to from naxal theatre, despite IAF having in place a 'formal' operation ongoing (Op Triveni). This despite Mi-17 bolstered by returned UN aircraft and induction of new variants. Don't recollect seeing any such report coming from J&K theatre or from IA ever.

It is clear that CAPFs do not appreciate the material and psychological damage that the loss of a IAF helicopter can cause. Memories of the Safedsagar loss still haunt the nation. It is to IAF's credit that in whole J&K COIN operations we did not loose a single man or machine to terrorist fire. Yet it was in Naxal ops where there was a fatality. Easy to blame air force for lack of cooperation.

If these concerns are not addressed;

1. It will push the case to expand BSF air wing, thus reducing the overall relevance of the Air Force in peacetime roles.

2. In turn, lead to higher risk of death and injury to troops and airmen + loss of govt aircraft since in past history BSF air wing hasnt exactly been a reliable/performing organisation by any yardstick.

3. IAF crew will be robbed of operational experience.

4. Worst, we will end up pushing civvy pilots (many ex armed forces) to perform military duty with civilian equipment.

I just get the sense that the onus is on IAF to ensure that this matter is settled henceforth for its own good.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 63243.aspx

Home minister P Chidambaram recently met Indian Air Force chief NAK Browne to address concerns raised by police and security forces operating in Maoist-affected Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh over what they feel is the IAF’s apparent reluctance to provide support during operations against the rebels.

The cabinet committee on security (CCS) had tasked the IAF with lending a shoulder to the ground forces more than two years ago. But the governments of the two states — the worst hit by Maoist violence — have been complaining about the air force’s stringent standard operating procedures (SOPs), which the agencies felt were casting doubts on their leadership abilities, particularly when it came to transporting personnel and in casualty evacuation.

Both the police and Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) feel the IAF SOPs are more hindrance than help and are worried about the impact on the morale of the ground forces.

The high-level meeting discussed one such incident where eight injured jawans of the Jharkhand Police and the CRPF had to be evacuated from Mandal, near Latehar district, on April 9. “Two of the injured were sinking and would have just bled to death,” a senior state police officer told HT.

An MI-17 helicopter of the IAF did take off from Ranchi for Mandal but returned due to a technical snag. The CCS had mandated that two choppers be deployed at Ranchi but no second chopper was stationed there. The IAF explained the absence by saying the state had not provided the infrastructure needed to maintain the helicopter.

But Jharkhand DGP GS Rath told HT, "The air force is too protocol-oriented and not accommodative enough. Finally, two state pilots rose to the occasion and precious lives were saved."

The two pilots, Capt Sheelpriya Verma and co-pilot RP Maurya, who flew to Mandal and evacuated the jawans, have been given commendation certificates by the Jharkhand DGP and CRPF director general K Vijay Kumar.

The IAF denies any reluctance on its part but differences between the two crucial arms reflect how the battle against the insurgents is being fought. It was pointed out at the meeting that while the ground forces often go into uncharted territories — to wage war against what the PM refers to as the biggest internal security threat - the air force wants the helipads to be completely sanitised, which is not always possible.

In a written reply on the issue, the air force said it "continues to carry out successful operations despite the lack of infrastructure. There have been instances of aircraft being hit by offensive action but this does not deter the air force. There has never been any reluctance in carrying out any mission that has been tasked through the appropriate channel".

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 01 Jun 2012 09:01

if small arms fire is a bother, why not use the LCH in peacetime and here is how, the picture is from vietnam war era with 2 stretchers on either side of each casevac chopper, on the flip side its not what a gunship is built for or atleast they can escort the regular choppers

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 01 Jun 2012 09:33

We have Chetak and Dhruv for CASEVAC. Why LCH?

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 07 Jun 2012 12:11

Bhashyam Kasturi has expanded and updated his existing paper (IIRC available in BRM):

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news ... in-jk-i/0/
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news ... in-jk-2/0/

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 17 Jun 2012 20:21

Aditya G wrote:...If these concerns are not addressed;

4. Worst, we will end up pushing civvy pilots (many ex armed forces) to perform military duty with civilian equipment.

I just get the sense that the onus is on IAF to ensure that this matter is settled henceforth for its own good.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/maoisthit-st ... 467-3.html

The Centre has decided to allow the Maoist-hit states to hire helicopters on their own from private firms to use them for anti-Naxal operations till it acquires eight Mi-17V-5 choppers.

The Home Ministry officials said the Central government would reimburse all the expenses to be incurred by the state governments in hiring the helicopters, which will primarily be used for casualty evacuation, emergency reinforcement of forces and transportation of medicine and other supplies.

...

he Home Ministry will give up to Rs 15 crore per annum to each of the Naxal-affected states for hiring helicopters.
Ministry officials feel that with that much of fund, a state can get 30 hours flying time of choppers every month.
Meanwhile, the Home Ministry is in the process of buying eight Mi-17V-5 helicopters to assist its forces engaged in internal security duties, including anti-Naxal operations.

The Ministry of Defence is negotiating with a foreign firm to purchase around 80 Mi-17s.
"The MoD has been asked to buy eight helicopters in addition to their actual requirement. The MHA will use these additional helicopters," an official said.

...

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 17 Jul 2012 15:45

http://www.timesnow.tv/Militant-killed- ... 406510.cms

Militant killed in encounter in Kashmir

A militant was on Tuesday (July 17) killed in an encounter with security forces in Handwara area in north Kashmir's Kupwara district. The gunbattle broke out between security forces and militants at Budh Shungani in Handwara area, 90 kms from Srinagar, official sources said.

Troops of 6 Rashtriya Rifles and police had launched an anti-militancy operation last night following information about movement of three to four militants in the area. They said one militant has been killed so far. The encounter was in progress till last reports came in. Six militants have been killed in three separate operations in Handwara area this month.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 29 Jul 2012 07:09

Tunnel connecting India, Pak unearthed in J&K - http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tunnel-conne ... 3-245.html

400 meters long, on the Indian side alone!

Even though the fence is well inside the LOC, these tunnels seem to be quite long.

Wonder whether ground-penetrating radar will help.

Need to scrutinize the floors of all suspicious houses near LOC, the openings might even be hidden under carpets etc.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 Jul 2012 08:25

vasu raya wrote:if small arms fire is a bother, why not use the LCH in peacetime and here is how, the picture is from vietnam war era with 2 stretchers on either side of each casevac chopper, on the flip side its not what a gunship is built for or atleast they can escort the regular choppers

Thats from the Korean War. Casevac in Vietnam was done using UH-1s mostly afaik. We did use Cheetahs for casevac from high altitude areas and during Kargil war.

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 29 Jul 2012 10:24

^^^
Good to know Raja Boseji, wonder what kind of protection they had in hot zones? the higher number of casualties in Kargil were said to be because of casevac not being available in time, things might have improved in the last decade with larger heli fleets at our disposal

yet, there seems to be reluctance from IAF to operate casevac in maoist hot zones even though they say the helis are armoured

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 29 Jul 2012 11:01

we have telemedicine going, heard there is telesurgery as well in research phase. This is the point where I usually get into trouble on BR but anyways, the concept is basically an ICU with robotic operating arms controlled by a surgeon over a network. ICU in a mobile capsule that can be heli transported close to front lines.

A little background, we have exoskeleton technology catching up, it involves transmitting bio signals from the arms and legs to a metallic body frame to mimic the motion of the limbs. The body frame is actuator driven and probably backed by a battery. It can become an extension of the Army's futuristic soldier concept.

if the arms to metallic body frame communication is separated by a realtime network you probably get close to the telesurgery concept. A surgeon wearing a suit then remotely can control these arms operating on a patient. His movements have to be animated to account for the network delay. Since tactile sense of the arms is important for surgeons, with today's technology one needs to have a person as the surgeon's proxy who is in contact with the patient, the proxy's arms and fingers are guided by the robotic arms and fingers in the ICU, his tactile sensations are relayed back from his arms connected sensors back to the surgeon via the network, now here is where we hit a roadblock, those electronic signals have to be input into the surgeons own nerves on his arms through his suit for the surgeon to feel the tactile sensations and thats biologically intrusive.

Then there is the depth perception and color contrast of the innards of the patient's body which is said to be important for the surgeon which is where technology from modern day HUD's for fighter pilots can be helpful, the surgeon has his eyes inside the remote ICU with patient vitals visible on the HUD and a color coded synthetic video overlay generated based on the proxy's tactile sensations

Basically the Predator's technological context is highly applicable in terms of network characteristics, HUD of the remote pilot and the joystick as the robotic arm

In war time or emergencies we can have better doctor to patient ratio by commandeering the services of civilian doctors

On the civilian side, doctors needn't visit remote villages and the infrastructure can be minimal

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 29 Jul 2012 14:50

I always wonder and scratch my head whenever I hear telemedicine or telesurgery. If one has such a reliable network, electricity and infrastructure to get them, isnt he close a half decent hospital already?

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 30 Jul 2012 01:00

well, would you prefer a telecommute option if given?

regarding network, we have better cell phone coverage than hospital infra coverage, we tried Wimax for low cell tower density but looks like that technology didn't pan out as planned, then say we consider a dedicated network like Iridium with a satcom dish on the mobile ICU probably powered by a diesel electric generator. what other infra would you need? again thats just a civilian spinoff, where can you get medical infra in conflict regions?

if all goes well, expertize a rather rare commodity and concentrated around urban areas needn't be mobile or forced to diffuse by politcal mandates, except for network latency, the logistical challenge of attending time critical cases is improved.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 30 Jul 2012 11:11

vasu raya wrote:well, would you prefer a telecommute option if given?

When my life is on the line, I prefer a physical doctor instead of tele-doctor, thank you.

Regarding telecommute, I usually have less than 40% of work done - so I prefer physically being present.

regarding network, we have better cell phone coverage than hospital infra coverage, we tried Wimax for low cell tower density but looks like that technology didn't pan out as planned, then say we consider a dedicated network like Iridium with a satcom dish on the mobile ICU probably powered by a diesel electric generator. what other infra would you need? again thats just a civilian spinoff, where can you get medical infra in conflict regions?

if all goes well, expertize a rather rare commodity and concentrated around urban areas needn't be mobile or forced to diffuse by politcal mandates, except for network latency, the logistical challenge of attending time critical cases is improved.

I can understand that for "emergency time" in an emergency, i.e. loss of heart beat/breathing problems.

It only makes sense to me if the patient is not stabilized enough to bring him to a required expertise hospital and all the effort IMHO should be done to bring the patient to such a stabilized state. I am talking about basic first aids and such.

I am sorry, all the tele-medicine not withstanding - I cant imagine somebody doing a bypass surgery using these techniques. (dont extend this for using robots to make surgery. That is not the context what we are talking.) The second case I can see is for second opinion, where a doctor has already seen the patient but wants to have a second opinion. Usually this is done through the test reports.

You really believe that because we are streaming live to a hifi-specialist, a non-experienced doctor can actually operate apart from stabilizing the patient. Would you be ready to do say a bypass surgery to one of your dear ones in this way. Who are we kidding.

People might not agree with me and this is going to be my last post on this. My prediction is that this tele-medicine and tele-surgery are going to be failed concepts for the next 20 years.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 11 Aug 2012 12:47

I think one should closely study the ongoing operations in Aleppo, Syria. May yield valuable lessons on Urban Warfare.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 11 Aug 2012 22:09

^^I agree. Something similar is going to happen to India eventually with Assam and Kerala heading toward muslim majority. The effects will reverberate throughout all indian states once non-muslims start fleeing en masse, and it will be increasingly difficult to control internal security with the polarization of religious communities. IMO, just like in Syria we will be fighting along the periphery and then it will slowly make its way into the heartland.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 12 Aug 2012 15:08

In Aleppo, forces are making holes in walls of buildings to move around, while staying off the street. Lots of snipers on many roof-tops to prevent movement of opposing forces.

Syrian rebels carve paths through buildings to avoid snipers - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/ ... C720120811

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 12 Aug 2012 19:30

those tactics are not new

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 12 Aug 2012 19:32

Surya wrote:those tactics are not new

In the last conflict between Israel and Hamas, I had heard that Israeli forces were using the same tactics.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 12 Aug 2012 20:09

^^^
^^^Tactic is known as "Mouse-holing" and has been around since at least the early 19th century.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 12 Aug 2012 22:58

Aditya G wrote:
VikramS wrote:Regarding the Late Lt. Navdeep Singh battle, I have a question.

Why didn't the IA party blow up the dingy itself using an RPG or some other high caliber weapon, instead of getting into a fire-fight?
The fire-fight should be for the clean-up not for the initial engagement which should have an element of shakinah in it. What are the operational constraints which forces the IA to restrict the use of bigger caliber weapons? In this case it was clear that the intrusion was from the PoK.

Compare that to the ambush by the Naxals. They first blow the vehicle and then engaged the survivors.
Hi, can you provide the source where you found this description of the battle? esp. reg the "dingy" and high caliber weapons.

Read about it starting from this post...
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1243945

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 14 Aug 2012 19:52

And its also used in afghanistan.

MN Kumar · Post by **MN Kumar** » 22 Aug 2012 14:04

I was watching a show on COBRA's on a regional channel and was surprised to see them equipped with Tavor 21's. Google gave some links. Seems they have been suing them since more than a year:

CRPF TO GET TAVOR GUNS ‘TO COMBAT MILITANCY’
CRPF on modernisation drive: DGP

Couple of videos:

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 01 Oct 2012 15:15

A webpage for up to date and daily info on latest CI/ CT operations of the IA.

http://indianarmy.nic.in/Site/FormTempl ... 52L1/rzg==

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 01 Oct 2012 15:52

5 pigs sent to their 72!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 624136.cms

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 01 Oct 2012 16:00

Surya wrote:those tactics are not new

indeed... when the zulus had beseiged the british at rorke's drift, and started breaking into the hospital, couple of the british soldiers inside, clawed their way through the walls with their hands to flee from room to room as the zulus tried to smash their way in. one of them went through several rooms before he was caught and speared

member_20453 · Post by **member_20453** » 01 Oct 2012 18:21

nelson wrote:A webpage for up to date and daily info on latest CI/ CT operations of the IA.

http://indianarmy.nic.in/Site/FormTempl ... 52L1/rzg==

Great find

looking at the frequency of events, it is quite easy to say IA and other paramiliatry units are by far the most experienced in Counter Insurgency and Anti Terror ops.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 10 Oct 2012 02:10

http://indianarmy.nic.in/Site/FormTempl ... 52L1/rzg==

Fantastic site. Thanks Nelson. What's revealing is the sheer volume of activity happening in the North East - arrests & jannat-dispatching. Kashmir pales in comparison. The fact that the NE is not burning is a glorious compliment to the Indian Army.

Our media, as usual, is obsessed with Kashmir and minority-peddling. A jihadi farts in Kashmir & it makes headlines in TOI

sum · Post by **sum** » 22 Oct 2012 08:31

Pertinent article:

Why are police, paramilitary men not martyrs?

While the country on Sunday commemorated the sacrifice of its police and paramilitary personnel killed in the line of duty, the government is yet to accord "martyr" status to these personnel on the lines of the armed forces.

"The stark reality is that while there is an official notification in the government gazette to declare troops and officers of the Army, Navy and Air Force as martyrs when they sacrifice their lives in the line of duty, there is no such order for police and paramilitary personnel," a top central police officer said.

As per a Home Ministry data, between September 2011 to August this year, a total of 546 police and paramilitary personnel lost their lives on duty due to "unnatural" causes, which include action.

Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde paid tributes to these personnel at a memorial event in New Delhi, where for the first time all the central forces came together to pay their tributes to their valiant comrades.

The fact was also recently reported in Parliament by Minister of State for Home Jitendra Singh stating that in a Committee of Secretaries (COS) meeting, convened on this subject last year, "no consensus" could emerge on the issue.

"The matter (for giving status of martyr to paramilitary personnel) was considered by the COS on September 14, 2011 but there was no consensus on the issue," Singh said in a written reply in Lok Sabha on May 8 this year.

Singh's statement further stated that "shaheed/martyr is not defined anywhere and presently no order/notification declaring Central Armed Police Force personnel who are killed at the border while discharging their duty in any encounter with the terrorists declaring them as Shaheeds/martyrs.

"However, a demand was received from CAPFs for giving status of martyrs to CAPF personnel killed in terrorists encounters or in action," Singh stated in his reply.

Top sources in paramilitary organisations said a request in this regard was sent to the home ministry to accord this status to the troops of the CRPF, BSF, CISF, ITBP, SSB, RPF and other central organisations as this will act as a "fit tribute" to the slain personnel.

All these forces, along with state police forces and their special operations units, are deployed for a variety of internal security duties like undertaking anti-Naxal operations or conducting counter-insurgency tasks against terrorists at country's borders and other places.

"In many places, like along the Pakistan border, paramilitary men work along with army men and in Naxal-affected states they work with air force officials but in case of death in action the central police personnel will not be accorded martyr status," the official said.

"This is saddening and is beyond comprehension. Why to deprive these personnel of an honour they deserve as they take on ultras on an everyday basis," the official added.

The central police forces, at present, are only authorised to issue pension related benefits to the killed personnel's family and receive gallantry and police medals.

"As per the prevailing practice, with regard to the force personnel killed in terrorist encounters, a certificate is issued by the unit commander to the next of kin of CAPF personnel explaining the circumstances under which personnel died and NOK is given full family pension under pension rules which is last pay drawn and lump sum ex-gratia compensation of Rs 15 lakh as per rules in addition to any other exgratia/benefits admissible,"

Aaryan · Post by **Aaryan** » 24 Nov 2012 13:07

Another pig dispatched to meet his 72’s..

http://www.firstpost.com/india/top-jais ... 34084.html

A top Jaish-e-Mohammad militant commander was killed in an encounter with security forces in Sopore in north Kashmir’s Baramullah district in the wee hours of Saturday.

Sopore Police and 22 Rashtriya Rifles cordoned Chatlora village, 55 kms from here, at around 1 am after receiving information that a self-styled divisional commander of foreign origin of the outfit was hiding in a village, official sources said.At around 4 am, when the security forces were conducting search operations, the militant opened fire and he was killed in the exchange of fire, the sources said.

The militant was operating with the code names Shoaib and Yasir and was active in Sopore area from 2007, they said, adding he had come to Kashmir in 2002.

He was involved in many field killings and attacks on mainstream politicians, the sources said, describing his killing as a “great achievement”.

A sub-inspector identified as Dilraj was also injured in the encounter.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 01 Dec 2012 03:36

Look where India's elite anti-terror force, the NSG, lives: Slums and cracked buildings in Mumbai

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 04 Jan 2013 03:26

Some serious pig-hunting going on in Kashmir:

3 pigs on Dec 13th: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/298 ... unter.html

5 LeT "Commanders" including their operating chief in Kashmir on Dec 20th

2 more pigs on Dec 28th: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/301 ... unter.html

2 more in Jan

Totally 11 in December + 2 in Jan so far. Happy hunting!

RIP jawans

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 05 Jan 2013 10:36

Prem Kumar wrote:Some serious pig-hunting going on in Kashmir:

3 pigs on Dec 13th: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/298 ... unter.html

5 LeT "Commanders" including their operating chief in Kashmir on Dec 20th

2 more pigs on Dec 28th: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/301 ... unter.html

2 more in Jan

Totally 11 in December + 2 in Jan so far. Happy hunting!

RIP jawans

these are pigs who are holed up here for long, or high ranking pigs who are leading other piglets for slaughter... Wait for the snow to start thawing for the pig hunt to start in full flow...

Hopefully we don't have much damage to the border fencing this time... RIP to the brave Jawans who were martyrd

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 18 Jan 2013 21:20

IAF chopper fired on by Maoists in Chhattisgarh

Wonder what guns did they use to fire at the choppers? are they AK-47s etc that they used or are they sophisticated anti-air? if so who is supplying these anti-air weapons?

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 19 Jan 2013 10:33

This could have turned into a tragedy ... in more than 2 decades of coin in j&k we haven't lost an air warrior. Seems the naxals have grabbed long range rifles. All this while air force and crpf is at loggerheads on security protocols

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 19 Jan 2013 10:59

venug wrote:IAF chopper fired on by Maoists in Chhattisgarh

Wonder what guns did they use to fire at the choppers? are they AK-47s etc that they used or are they sophisticated anti-air? if so who is supplying these anti-air weapons?

My guess is the same LIBERAL WESTERN DEMOCRACRIES, that witness Binayek Sen Trials and Hold the Purlia Arms dropper and have large diamond syndicate based out of.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 20 Jan 2013 10:50

Kudos to our pilots who pulled off the controlled landing. I dont think CRPF and other agencies have grasped what loss of face it would have been for the nation had the aircraft crashed or air force men killed/captured.

The Mi-17 is a robust aircraft and has seen much worse in Jaffna, J&K, UNAMSIL and like ... cannot believe that this would have happen over own country in so called 'peacetime'

IMHO now is an apt time to bring in the Hinds as it has troop carrying capability as well.

http://www.indianexpress.com/story-print/1061928/

... “From the marks found on the body of the chopper, we can say that a mix of weapons was used. There has been use of both .12 bore guns and sophisticated weapons,” Chhattisgarh DGP Ram Niwas told The Sunday Express....

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/maoi ... 42989.html

...

Sources in the IAF hit out at the lack of security provided by the police and CRPF. Stated an officer, "It is a part of the procedure that whenever the helicopter flies, the landing area has to be secured by the ground forces. When our helicopter took 18 bulllet hits, it implies that they did not do their job well."

....

Timeline

1545 hours - In an ongoing operation, one Chattisgarh Armed Forces (CAF) jawan is injured by Naxal firing and other is killed.

1645 hours - Mi17 gets airborne from Jagdalpur, the headquarters of the Bastar region for Tamilwada in Sukma.

1730 hours - Before landing, the Mi17 is fired upon multiple times; Still manages to land in a nearby field.

1930hours - Six IAF men, including pilot and co-pilot reach the 150bn camp of the CRPF, 3km from force landing site; Sahu is on his own.

2130 hours - Troops from CRPF & CoBRA reached close to the site and spot Sahu but are careful not to rush for the Maoists could have laid Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) or an ambush.

2330 hours - Sahu is pulled out of the helicopter.

0045 hours - Additional troops from the CoBRA reach; location is secured

0500 hours - Troops move into the Chintalgufa camp of the CRPF alongwith Sahu and another injured CAF personnel.

Helicopter sent to lift Sahu out of Chintalgufa camp to Jagdalpur for treatment.

1340 hours - Sahu was airlifted in a special AN32 aircraft of the IAF to Raipur as his condition dipped further.

sumits · Post by **sumits** » 20 Jan 2013 11:03

Is it not against SOP to leave the injured personnel on his own?

Not judging anybody just trying to know what is the standard practice in such cases?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 20 Jan 2013 12:20

The central question is what would have IAF helicopter crew done if one of their own was injured? Would they have left him behind unattended? Did they assume that CRPF Trooper did not have a chance of survival and decided to leave him behind and save themselves? Were they carrying personal weapons or something like AK-47/SMG to cover the injured trooper and could one or two have gone forth to look for help while others covered the trooper? Accepted, that non medic staff would not have been of much help but is that why IAF crew decided to leave an injured person behind and make way for secure area? Something does not seem right to me.