Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

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Probably flogging this to death, this is from a March 5, 2009 review of A. Taseer's first book in Outlook India (available near the bottom of the page here: http://www.tera-media.net/aatish/?p=reviews )
Then came a turning point. In 2005, Aatish, now a journalist living in London, wrote for a UK magazine on the radicalisation of second-generation British Pakistanis, making the unexceptionable liberal argument that it was linked to failures of identity on different fronts. Chuffed by his first cover story, he sent it to his father—and was shocked to receive a furious reply, accusing him, among other things, of blackening the family name by spreading "invidious anti-Muslim propaganda".

The accusations set off a storm of reactions in Aatish, from hurt and defensiveness, to confusion and curiosity. How was his father who (as he was to recount in his book) "drank Scotch every evening, never fasted and prayed, even ate pork and once said: 'It was only when I was in jail and all they gave me to read was the Koran—and I read it back to front several times—that I realised that there was nothing in it for me'," offended, as a Muslim, by his writings?
His decision to lay bare the personal, says Aatish, came from the conviction that in it lay a bigger story.
The book's slightly cheesy subtitle, 'A son's journey through Islamic lands', has a whiff of opportunistic publisher-speak about it, but there is nothing within its covers to make readers cringe, except perhaps those who find their outrageous utterances reproduced here, like Aatish's dad, or the half-sister who memorably tells him, "Oh I'm so glad you weren't a little black Hindu".
He is wounded by reflexive anti-Indianism,
which he encounters widely in Pakistan, and particularly among the young. ("The people I felt closest to," he told Outlook, "was that older generation who had an idea of a mixed society.") He laments the rejection he finds everywhere of a pluralist subcontinental past, and is dismayed by the growing spread of a narrow version of Islam. The anti-Indianism, he confesses, "made it very difficult to be both Indian and Pakistani." And while stressing that he received great warmth from Pakistanis, he adds: "They would have liked me to turn my back on India and then be theirs. To keep the two was something that was strange and difficult for them."
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Small successes deserve mention as well as credit.Congratulations.
Five top LeT militants shot down in Kupwara.
Source-http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 233300.ece
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shiv wrote:
rajanb wrote:Yes Shrini and Shiv.

I have noticed a majority lacking an SOH (Sense of Humour). Nothing like getting back at someone in a decent humourous way.
Also very few who post here, have an SOH. I know the topics are serious. But hell, why not a little bit of humourous sparring to liven life up.
Rajan. We are going OT. When I lived abroad - because of my excellent English (Macaulay was my great-grandfather) and school background and ability to eat/drink anything I had no trouble being one of the boys with everyone else. But not all Indians are like that. And many were tongue tied and could not understand what was funny and when they were serious they said things that were considered funny, which they did not understand either. A huge number do not have control over English the way we do. In Hindi or Tamil they could certainly give people a run for their money. I believe it is Macaulay speaking when we go abroad and judge Indians by our personal standards about their sense of humor at a dinner party with firangis. That is IMO akin to Nirad Chaudhuri judging Indians by their presence or absence in Operas and plays.

I will drop the subject or I will never stop - I have one heck of a lot to say...
Shiv, There are a lot of races who don't have a SOH. Maybe, I didn't come across with what I wanted to say. Which was, an SOH is good in times of anger and stress. After all, isn't laughter the best medicine. And no one needs Macaulay as a great grandfather :P

No more on this topic from me.
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Gunmen Ambush Bus in NW Pakistan, Kill 7

AOA friddin is not over
Pakistani officials say gunmen have killed seven people after opening fire on a passenger bus in the northwestern part of the country.

Local officials in the Kurram tribal region said the attack took place Saturday. All of the attackers managed to escape.

The bus was carrying Sunni Muslims through a mostly Shi'ite area. While no one has claimed responsibility for the attack, it is common for Sunnis and Shi'ites to clash in the area.

The Pakistani military launched an offensive against Taliban militants in Kurram, one of the semi-autonomous tribal regions that border Afghanistan.
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Cross-Kashmir CBMs ahead of India, Pakistan talks
NEW DELHI: India and Pakistan have decided not to let the July 13 Mumbai terror attacks affect the tempo of their revived peace process and are set to hold preparatory discussions on cross-Kashmir confidence-building measures Monday ahead of the meeting of foreign ministers later this month.
The talks are expected to firm up a slew of CBMs aimed at enhancing travel and trade to bring people of the two halves of Kashmir together. The two sides will also discuss the modalities of the launch of the Kargil-Skardu bus link, an increase in the frequency of cross-Kashmir bus link between Srinagar and Muzaffarabad and an increase in the number of trading days across the Line of Control (LoC), said so
Although New Delhi acknowledges that Pakistan's attitude towards terror has changed, a point made by Rao in an interview recently, it continues to have concerns over cross-border terror and these will be conveyed by Krishna to Pakistan at the talks.

India has prepared an "error free" list of most wanted terrorists allegedly hiding in Pakistan in which it has corrected mistakes in the earlier dossier handed over to Islamabad in March. New Delhi expects Islamabad to respond to the new list when the foreign ministers meet here later this month.
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Gen. Flower = Hamid Gul
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In Ahmadis's desert city, Pakistan closes in
Interesting article in reuters on plight of Ahmedis
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Brad Goodman wrote:Cross-Kashmir CBMs ahead of India, Pakistan talks

"India has prepared an error free" list


Another self goal. Now there's your elusive sense of humor. Who says that GOI has none?
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Brad Goodman wrote:In Ahmadis's desert city, Pakistan closes in
Interesting article in reuters on plight of Ahmedis
^^^
A 2010 study by Pakistani analyst Ayesha Siddiqa of students in elite colleges found that while 60 percent said the government was right to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims, a sizeable 18 percent believed Shi'ites were also non-Muslims.
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Rajiv Lather wrote: <SNIP>

There is an interesting story going around, I dont remember where I read it. Kayani on one of his garrison visits was accosted by a bunch of rebellious junior officers. The situation turned so bad that a furious Kayani threw his army cap on the ground and threatened to walk out after stepping on the cap. That action is said to have calmed the situation for the time being.
<SNIP>
The actual story is of a PA Brigadier being hassled by his troops, bordering on mutiny, during one of the 'durbars' (which is like a town hall). This was when the Kargil was in progress and he threw his cap on the ground - challenging to 'dishonor' the 'nishaan' by carrying out their threat to walk-out.
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shiv wrote: <SNIP> Pakistanis mock. Indians react. Pakistanis hold the initiative. They will always mock. Indians will always react with anger or triumph. It angers me to see my countrymen with such a low opinion of their own people that they have to take pleasure from looking better than Pakistan and saying that makes them happy. I mean - seriously? How low is our self esteem?
Shiv saar, that is an excellent point - and something which I have taught myself. And there is a tangential aspect to it as well.

Your argument applies to lot of other situations as well - Indian right/hindutva, RG as future PM of desh, Gurjrat riots etc. In any debate, the initiative has to be with oneself. Because, otherwise, one only ends up trying to defend one's position. And it is easy to ask questions - and difficult to have all facts/figures and give rational answers. This is more problematic as other side is not open to reason - it only wants to put you down and on defensive. By answering the other person, you are somehow legatimizing his position and putting him at par with yourself.

My simple strategy is to mock the other person and laugh out at their questions - and counter question with a mocking tone. For example, I was once questioned on Gujarat CM being right wing and all that. And my counter-question was, "What is wrong with being Right Wing/RSS/Hindutvawadi?"

Same with pukes - so what if xyz million in desh have no toilet facility? This puts many off-balance.
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A 2010 study by Pakistani analyst Ayesha Siddiqa of students in elite colleges found that while 60 percent said the government was right to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims, a sizeable 18 percent believed Shi'ites were also non-Muslims.
- 60% want to disenfranchise the ahmediyas
- 82% enthusiastically support the stoning to death of adulterers
- 76% want to legalize death for apostates
- 67% want an Islamic (presumably shariah based) government
- Hindus reduced from about 17% to 1%
- ....

there's no such thing as a liberal Pakistani - bigotry and extremism is an inalienable aspect of Pakistani society.
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rohitvats wrote:Same with pukes - so what if xyz million in desh have no toilet facility? This puts many off-balance.
I just say, that is why India is so keen to take over Pakistan, as Pakistan is one large toilet, big enough for all those Indians who have none in India.

The Pakistanis want to fly their flag on the Red Fort in India, we Indians, we only want to go and hugg there.
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Aatish Taseer's 2005 Prospect Magazine article that pissed off his father is behind paywalls for most part. The text, however, is available here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osint/message/76069 If I recall correctly, this article made it to BRF when it was first published.

Continues here:
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2005/ ... stparttwo/
Taseer: What about Kashmir, have you been involved in the fight there?



Butt: I have lectured there twice to English students in the Pakistani-controlled area. I lectured in Islamabad in one of the hotels, with someone from Kashmir, I can’t remember the brother’s name now. He then invited me to give two separate lectures in English, to English students about how I think they should be focusing their lives. It was very productive. Kashmir is a place that has been forgotten by the world media. It’s a shame. Personally I’m not the biggest supporter of the Kashmiri jihad, because I believe a lot of it is political gaming rather than pure jihad. I see a lot of innocent lives being wasted for political motives.



Taseer: For the motives of the Pakistani government?



Butt: Yes, forcing the Indian government to keep 750,000 troops in such a small area places it under massive economic pressure.



Taseer: Is Lashkar doing good work?



Butt: I’m not a supporter of Lashkar-e-Toiba, I see them as very government-backed. I think this is a general problem in the Pakistani organisations. The minute they start attacking the government, they fear losing everything they have built up and that is a weakness in every group I see. For me, the key concept of being a separatist is that if I ask you to sacrifice your life, your wealth, your health, then you do. Ultimately, the aim is to achieve what I would say is the goal for Islam, for example to liberate Kashmir. I think Kashmir has always been a proxy war for Pakistan, and they’ve never really wanted to liberate it. I even remember speaking to General Zahir Abbassi and Hamid Gul: both of them said, “Really, if we want to liberate Kashmir, we could do so very easily.” Lashkar has 200,000 followers, we only allow in 8,000 mujahedin at a time in that area. Why? Because if we sent everyone in there it would become unoccupied, and India wouldn’t have the economic burden of having to station 750,000 troops there. It’s really disappointing.
PS: what happened to Hassan Butt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Butt
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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/n ... h-nae.html
Who Killed Kim Sah Nae?
Only slowly did the picture come into focus. Less than a week before Kim’s death, the Pakistani government had tested its first nuclear bomb. Kim was said to have witnessed the explosions. Indeed, It turned out that Kim was not a diplomat at all, but, according to knowledgeable sources, a nuclear scientist sent to Islamabad by the North Korean government as part of a mutually agreed-upon program to learn about Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program. Kang, her husband, was apparently a top-flight arms dealer, who’d done deals for North Korea’s missile program. As we now know, Pakistan and North Korea were coöperating extensively on missile and nuclear technology. (North Korea had the missiles; Pakistan the nukes.) At the time of Kim’s death, according to diplomatic sources, North Korean planes were delivering missile components to Pakistan twice a month.. According to the same officials, Kim was not just a nuclear scientist posing as a diplomat, but a double-agent passing on whatever she secrets she learned to other intelligence agencies. (Which intelligence agencies, I never discovered.) Kim was killed, an official in the region told me, when she was found out—most probably by the North Koreans themselves.“She was murdered ,” the official told me then.
( She was either working for South Korea or Germany)
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The Mango King, a brilliant expose of Pakistaniyat, by A. Taseer
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/ ... -pakistan/
He craned his long neck forward and asked if I saw much difference between India and Pakistan.

“Not much,” I said, meaning to be polite. “There’s more feudalism here.”

“But between human beings, on a human level?”

“No, not really.”

“But there is!” He smiled.

“What?”

“In Pakistan, the clothes people wear are much better. There’s far less poverty. India makes its own things, its own cars, but then you don’t get Land Cruisers. In India, you get Indian needles. In Pakistan, we get Japanese needles!”

In India you now got Japanese needles too. The lieutenant had visited before economic liberalisation, but that was not the point. What struck me was how this man, who would never come close to owning a Land Cruiser, could talk of such things as core human differences. The poverty around him was as bad as anything I had ever seen, yet he spoke of expensive cars. It was as if the mere fact of difference was what he needed.
It was India’s middle class, its growth and energy, more than anything else that set the two countries apart. The power of the middle class in India dismantled the old feudal structures. In Sindh, the cost of realising the purity of the Muslim state was the departure of the Hindu middle class. The muhajjir population that arrived in its place had not been able to replace its social function; the bonds that had held together the diverse society of Muslims and Hindus had not arisen among the co-religionists. And, without its middle class, Sindh was not merely unchanged from 1947, not merely feudal: it was lawless, divided within itself; town and country were divorced from each other; and even men like the Mango King knew insecurity; the society was dismembered.
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Gunmen ambush passenger bus in Kurram, killing 10
http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... killing-10
Gunmen ambushed a bus carrying Sunni Muslims and killed all 10 passengers in a troubled northwestern tribal region Saturday, a government official said. Seven people were killed on the spot and three died at a hospital in the Kurram region, said Mohammed Ali, a local government official. At the time of the ambush, the bus was traveling in an area dominated by minority Shiite Muslims, Ali said. He said it was unclear who targeted the bus and officers were still investigating. Kurram has witnessed attacks on Sunni and Shiite Muslims in recent years.
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All Paki newspapers are carrying articles about how "unnamed sources" have confirmed that the US has realized that it cannot succeed without Pakistan, apologized to the TFTAs, promised co-operation in Afghanistan, more money and begged Pasha to visit US who obliged them because of his large heart. Pasha went there, gave out a few threats and warnings and demands, which made Massa cower with fear and agree to everything.

Which confirms my suspicion that Pasha went to GUPO in the US to report progress on who inside the ISI was sheltering OBL. To cover it up, ISPR planted all these articles in the newspapers to avoid this speculation.
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^^^

I also heard that Pasha took several large jars of vasoline with him when he went to the U.S. :)
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Response to Shiv's post in Indian Space dhaga

rsingh wrote:
It is not insecurity thing Saar. It is that extra punch.......more maza :(( It is like adding Tabasco over pizza.
So India being one up on Pakistan gives more pleasure. That sure sets a high bar to cross for Indians.

To me it indicates Indian mediocrity- like finding a half used packet of ketchup along with a partially eaten pizza in the garbage bin and expressing joy at the added treat


With due respect Sir.......your Piksology thing is full of same crap which you are denouncing here. Why this struggle to keep that imaginative moral high ground when it suits. Take it easy chill out.......we are just enjoying. Every body has a neighbor to joke about; US has Canada,UK has France,Holland has Belgium, Spain has Portugal etc etc. It is healthy and normal.
One mullah advocated that we should talk about peers or those who are better then us. Ok then lets talk about Zambia(they have same GDPper Capita as us),letus talk about Uruguay (they give better services to citizens),lets talk about Vietnaam ( they provide better security to citizens) etc etc. List is long.
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JEM,

Nice review of AT's article - hope you also mail it or post it to WSJ website (if you did not do so already).
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Already done...

Here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 3Dcomments

Have replied to some other comments as well...
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JE Menon wrote:Already done...

Here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 3Dcomments

Have replied to some other comments as well...

I tweeted your post as a link. Good one as always.
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Bibhu Prasad Routray: Letting terrorists walk free and then shedding tears
On July 14, Malik Ishaq, chief of the banned Sunni outfit Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), that had kidnapped and murdered US journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002 walked free from after being granted bail by the Pakistan Supreme Court.
Ishaq had been arrested in 1997 for involvement in sectarian murders -- almost all of his victims were members of the minority Shia community in Pakistan. He was charged with murder of 70 people in 44 different cases, but escaped conviction in each case due to lack of evidence.
Apart from the countless attacks on the Shia Muslims in Pakistan, LeJ was also involved in the 2009 attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team playing in Pakistan. The outfit had planned to take the players hostage and bargain for the release of some of its detained members. Malik Ishaq was instrumental in finetuning the attack from his prison cell.
Bail given to Malik Ishaq was rather surprising. In an October 1997, Malik Ishaq in a media interview had boasted, “I have been instrumental in the killing of 102 human beings.” New revelations now suggest that Malik Ishaq even received a monthly stipend from the Punjab government during his imprisonment, at least since 2008. A minister from the Punjab province, which is home to Malik Ishaq and where the LeJ is most active, has confirmed the payment. The minister said that the payment was given to Ishaq’s family and not to him.

While the meager stipend amount might not have been delivered to the prisoner, Malik Ishaq did wield enormous clout, normally reserved for the high and the mighty in the South Asian context, inside the prison. In recognition of his proximity with the Taliban, on 10 October 2009 Pakistan army flew him to Rawalpindi in a chartered flight to negotiate with the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP or Pakistani Taliban) suicide attackers who had stormed its headquarters.

Bail granted to Malik Ishaq adds him to the list of a growing number of terrorist leaders belonging to organizations banned by the Pakistani government, who have dodged the judicial process and secured freedom for themselves. The list includes leaders like chief of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) Hafiz Saeed, chief of Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HuM) Maulana Fazlur Rehman Khalil and Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi, the chief of Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP).

While the Pakistani authorities can argue that their freedom is sourced from judiciary decisions, such judgments invariably are results of poor investigation processes bordering on state complicity. These are results of a well-known state policy that sets apart terrorist formations on the basis of their utility to military and the intelligence. The same policy hunts down the Pakistani Taliban, while tactically exonerating the Afghan Taliban and its affiliates from the purview of the military operations.

The net result is that there are too many terrorist leaders roaming free on Pakistan’s streets. This makes the country’s claim of being sincere in fighting terrorism sound utterly decrepit.
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rsingh wrote: Ok then lets talk about Zambia(they have same GDPper Capita as us),letus talk about Uruguay (they give better services to citizens),lets talk about Vietnaam ( they provide better security to citizens) etc etc. List is long.
Yes. You are saying it yourself. You need to start doing that too along with all the others who are desperate to show that India is now one up on Pakistan, having launched the 18th PSLV.

I mean - how pathetic can "maza" get? 18 successful PSLV launches in a row and we still have people saying "At least now India must be better than Pakistan because Pakis are having takleef". On the space discussion thread it's not even funny. This is defended by you as "maza". I call it a deep inferiority complex. You call it crap. We have a difference of opinion sir.
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WARNING Very Graphic.

Pakistan.. You gottu luv em

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c4_1310684156
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Manny wrote:WARNING Very Graphic.

Pakistan.. You gottu luv em

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c4_1310684156
We need a translation of whatever the guy is saying in the begining.

Extremely Graphic video. Most graphic I have ever seen.
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A_Gupta wrote:The Mango King, a brilliant expose of Pakistaniyat, by A. Taseer
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/ ... -pakistan/
The snippets in that article are excerpts from his book, "A stranger to history". Please read the book if you can.
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another data point of the elitism and disconnect of pakistan's major cities, esp islamabad from the rest of the country. in the entire islamabad region, auto-rickshaws are banned !! only taxis for the rich and I guess buses for the poor.
http://www.happytellus.com/islamabad/pakistan
Auto rickshaws that are common in other cities in Pakistan are banned in Islamabad.
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^ There is no middle class, at least in slumbad. :)
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shiv wrote:I mean - how pathetic can "maza" get? 18 successful PSLV launches in a row and we still have people saying "At least now India must be better than Pakistan because Pakis are having takleef". On the space discussion thread it's not even funny. This is defended by you as "maza". I call it a deep inferiority complex. You call it crap. We have a difference of opinion sir.
To me this looks like pisskology gone haywire, or, someone is being schizophrenic or pretending to be one. A veteran poster like you obviously knows that it is very common on this thread to jeer at pakistan. No one on this forum or anywhere else uses pakistan as a benchmark for anything positive; only as a deserving punching bag. An 18th successful PSLV launch definitely hurts pakis, and any thing that hurts pakis is par for course on this thread.
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rajanb wrote:Yes Shrini and Shiv.
I have noticed a majority lacking an SOH (Sense of Humour). Nothing like getting back at someone in a decent humourous way.
Also very few who post here, have an SOH. I know the topics are serious. But hell, why not a little bit of humourous sparring to liven life up.
Sense of Humor is completely different from this blind competition with the Pakees. BR jingos need to have a retort ready for every jack ass comment Pakees make.. It should be the other way around.. even that is not needed. we need to focus on what we do best, do it great repeatedly. that's it from me for now.. no more prescriptions.. Dr Shiv will do the honors.
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okay folk, this sense of humour and pisskology discussion has gone on for too long. time to drop it from this thread at least.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

Post by gakakkad »

We don't need to respond to what deaf and dumb yahoos blurt. They are insignificant heathens that will be buried in civilization. And there words will be lost in the vastness of the cyber space. The posts in the space thread should have been made in the BENIS thread which is meant for punching these creatures. The PSLV launch has become routine for us. We are maters of the LEO and low payload GTO. So it was a minor lungi dance moment for us. And to visit deaf and dumb and read the crap written there in even a minor moment of triumph is not warranted. The sovets and US poked each other over successes and failure of space missions. (wonder what it would have been like to have internet fora in those days) . But they were worthy rivals of each other. Paki's are not worthy of being called our rivals. Unless of course we want to drop to their level. Shiv was right. His piskological analysis was necessary because Paki's are a major inconvenience for us. And we do have to understand their psychology. Especially because we have been fed several lies by DDM and our own history textbooks.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

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rajanb wrote: That seems to be borne out by the deceit that there relations with the west has been cloaked with.
Made for each other.
In those days, Christains could buy liquor. So Christain domestic help was the fashion of the day!
Christians (Parsis, Sikhs and Hindus) can still buy liquour and there are even two breweries in Pakistan in Murree, IIRC, run by a Parsi group. Besides, liquour (wa)is always flowing freely in the PA. The elites wouldn't have any problem in getting liquour. The problem was for the rest. I recall an article by the late Khalid Hasan where there were hilarious anecdotes about how Muslims were after "masih"s for the liquour passbook, especially on Friday evenings.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

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NATO tankers attacked

“The convoy crossed into the Khyber Agency for onward journey to the Torkham border crossing in the afternoon,” an eyewitness told The Express Tribune. “But this oil tanker developed a technical fault and was parked at the Karkhano Market in Peshawar.”

In the meantime, suspected militants planted a ‘magnet bomb’ on the tanker which exploded around 9:20pm. Witnesses said the militants also exchanged fire with the watchmen of the market before fleeing the scene. Superintendent Police (SP) Cantonment Shafiullah Khan said that the explosive device weighed around one and a half kilogramme. Shopkeepers in Shinwari market, Khyber market, SS market and National market said that around 50 shops, restaurants, a bank and a mosque were gutted in the fire.
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