Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 21 Apr 2012 00:42

post made on D&D forum:

As per Geo news Two Brigadiers and a squadron leader amongst the passengers, one of Brigadier reported to be station commander Hyderabad

saip · Post by **saip** » 21 Apr 2012 00:47

THere is one Dr. Abdul Qadir. Is he the Xerox Khan?

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 21 Apr 2012 00:54

A map to put things into perspective:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/176/24108751.jpg

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 21 Apr 2012 00:55

Lots of strange accidents happening in Pakistan. Better to collate them for reference.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 21 Apr 2012 01:05

Eye witness reports say, that things started falling out of the plane before it crashed!!

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 21 Apr 2012 01:44

The Plane was 30 years old. Pakis have a tendency to not maintain anything -- Oyrope has banned PIA flights for lack of training, inspection and maintenance and have deemed all aircraft a danger to their airports and airspace.

Probably a wing fell off because nobody remembered to tighten the bolts. Their aircraft are just flying equivalents of their locomotives. Apparently out of 500000000000 locomotives they have, only 3 are in running condition and take a guess why: Money? No. Spares? No. Apparently it is lack of qualified technicians who can service them!!

WHAT!! You mean to say that being a Hafiz (the one who has memorized Quran) does not make you expert in all type of technical fields (rocket science to locomotives)?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 21 Apr 2012 02:21

Baki fauj will pass off some of the 1000s killed in the Avalanche as victims of the Bhoja crash. perhaps bhoja was meant to crash and was carrying crates of mangoes

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2012 02:28

The current Paki finance minister Hafeez Sheikh is involved in fast-tracking approvals for Bhoja airlines (which has quite a colorful history of not maintaining their planes or paying their employees or the airports and such).

If anyone has an axe to grind with Hafeez Sheikh, expect it to explode the next few days.

Also, apparently a Geo news reporter rummaged around, found some ID cards and read the names of the victims aloud in TV

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Apr 2012 03:10

Hamoodur Rehman Comm Report on Yayha Khan's philandering and drinking p. 122

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2012 04:22

Sholution to Shiacheen
Aibba Poaqadra Dawngadra

A key point is that Gen Kayani’s statements were not limited to Siachen but referred to the overall framework in which the defence of the country should be ensured. To hear an army chief so openly talk about how the defence of a country was not dependent on just soldiers and weaponry but also on the robustness of its society and economy was a welcome nod to reality. To actually arrive at a situation where Pakistan spends less on defence, however, remains a major challenge. A major factor would be to what extent the fears and suspicions on the country’s eastern border can be reduced. Direct trade is a potential game-changer but as with any move in which there will be winners and losers, there is still some way to go before it becomes an irreversible reality. A deal on Siachen or Sir Creek have long been presented by the Pakistani side as the so-called ‘low-hanging fruit’, but India has been disinclined to share that view — though the tragedy in Siachen could propel talks on a deal there. Beyond that, in the near term, there is the post-war future of Afghanistan and India’s involvement in that country that could present an opportunity for both countries to break out of the zero-sum mindset that so often characterises ties between the two countries.What should be clear is that if ties between India and Pakistan are to be improved, it will require an equal amount of commitment and input from India. Many of Pakistan’s national security and foreign policy choices may be hard to defend but Indian intransigence or churlishness has certainly played its role in the past in keeping ties from improving meaningfully and irreversibly.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2012 04:32

Pakistan stands isolated in South Asia/ Everyboy Slap Pakistan

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_3

In the past, Pakistan’s Generals have revelled in China’s support, believing that China could provide economic and military support in the absence of the US. China, while on good terms with Pakistan, is neither capable nor interested in providing military and economic aid to Pakistan. China relies on massive trading with the US and India and will not jeopardise those critical economic relationships for Pakistan. Furthermore, China is also wary of Pakistan’s use of Islam and terrorism because of China’s own concern over the Muslim separatist movement in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region.Far more damaging to the Pakistan army’s strategic calculus of yesteryears is the fact that there is no possibility for Pakistan to exploit the rivalry between the US and Russia any more as they have moved a long way from their cold war days. The US and Russia share the same concerns over Islamic radicalism and terrorism. Russia not only appears unwilling to engage in treasury-draining conflicts, it has achieved its own foreign policy objectives in Afghanistan and Central Asia through the US military.The use of Pakistan’s strategic location is not going to bring Pakistan rent any more. The most lucrative economic prospects for Pakistan — oil pipeline projects originating from Iran and Central Asia — have both stagnated due to Pakistan’s own violent destabilising actions in Afghanistan and India. Now, Pakistan stands on the verge of being left on the wayside as the US government weighs its decision about an exit from Afghanistan and a rethinking of NATO supply routes through Pakistan.Moribund thinking and obsession over conflict with India has landed Pakistan in a dark place. There is no possibility of recovering from self-sustained wounds for Pakistan unless it makes peace with India. It seems that the long-restrained civilian leadership of Pakistan is making the right moves by tamping down on rhetoric against India and attempting to initiate some semblance of a peace process. Peace with India is essential for peace in the region and the world. If this is not accomplished, once again a Mumbai-type attack will be engineered to derail the India-Pakistan peace process and the region will be forced into a conflagration.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Apr 2012 06:00

New kid on the block: An al-Qaeda leader ascends

Printline Pakistan

Mr Prime Minister?

Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani is in the eye of the storm once again, this time because of his son. Talking about the ongoing contempt of court case against Gilani for refusing to write to the Swiss authorities to open graft cases against President Asif Zardari, in violation of the Supreme Court’s National Reconciliation Ordinance verdict, his counsel, Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan, said that the cases could be opened against Zardari but not against Pakistan’s president, who enjoyed presidential immunity.

The Express Tribune quoted Ahsan on April 18: “‘This is not a matter concerning Asif Ali Zardari, this is a matter concerning the president of the country... When Zardari’s presidential tenure will end, the court’s decision to write to Swiss authorities for reopening graft cases against Zardari should be implemented’.” The next day of the hearing, The Express Tribune reported that Ahsan cited the Vienna Convention as protection for Zardari from appearing in any court. “The premier’s counsel... tried to establish immunity for the incumbent president using the Vienna Convention. Justice Asif Saeed Khosa, however, remarked that the convention provides immunity to diplomats and consular staff, not presidents. ‘A president only enjoys immunity under the Vienna Convention when he is travelling abroad’,” the report stated. Later, the court said that the president’s immunity could be admissible in court only if it was invoked by him. The arguments and counter-arguments became lighter when Ahsan contended: “‘If India can seek an apology from the United States for holding Bollywood actor Shah Rukh Khan in detention for two hours, how could Pakistan hand over its head of state to a foreign authority’?”

Daily Times reported on April 20 that Ahsan kept strengthening his arguments in defence of presidential immunity: “Ahsan... presented a United Nations report titled ‘Preliminary Report on Immunity of State Officials from Foreign Criminal Jurisdiction’ to support his argument on presidential immunity. He cited international laws concerning presidential immunity. He cited one incident when Belgium had issued arrest warrants for Congo’s foreign minister and the government of Congo had refused to present him before the Belgian magistrate.” On the last day of this hearing, the court said: “it was not the Supreme Court that had levelled graft charges against President Asif Ali Zardari, but the Swiss authorities were doing so.” And the defendant argued: “heads of states do not surrender their sovereignty in front of another country’s magistrate.” The case has now been adjourned until April 24.

HONEYMOON’S OVER

PM Gilani is embroiled in another legal entanglement and this one alleges his son’s involvement in a drug scam. Pakistan’s Anti-Narcotics Force (ANF) Rawalpindi has been investigating a case registered in October 2011, about the illegal sale of ephedrine — a stimulant — by two Pakistani pharmaceutical companies after they were accused of colluding with health ministry officials to obtain export quotas for the drug. The case is now being heard by the Supreme Court. Dawn reported on April 20: “A day ahead of the hearing of the ephedrine case by the Supreme Court, the ANF submitted a report... naming eight accused, including (the) prime minister’s son Ali Musa Gilani, for their alleged involvement in the scam... The accused allegedly allocated 6,500 kg and 2,500 kg of ephedrine to Berlex Lab International, Multan, and Danas Pharma (Pvt) Ltd, Islamabad, respectively, in 2010-11 for export to Iraq and Afghanistan. Meanwhile, 20 other companies were waiting for allocation of a 5,710 kg quota. According to the ANF report, the accused managed to convert the allotment of drugs intended for export into local use with the help of health ministry staff and under alleged political pressure from Ali Musa Gilani and (member of parliament) Mian Abdul Sattar. The allocation amounts were in violation of a UN convention that set the export quota for Iraq at 3,000 kg and Afghanistan at 50 kg.” The News had reported on April 18 that the PM had asked his son to return from his honeymoon soon and take part in the ephedrine probe.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2012 06:21

arun wrote:The Islamic Republic of Pakistan should get its nuclear scientist Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood cracking on his Mohammadden Science project of tapping Jinn / Djinns / Genies for energy .

Datelined yesterday ie: April 19:

Power shortfall touches 6500MW

Datelined today ie: April 20:

Loadshedding unbridled as electricity shortfall reaches 5,500 MW

According to PEPCO spokesman, total power generation from various sources is 9,500 MW against the demand of 15,000 MW. …………………

The people are facing at least 12 to 14 hours loadshedding in urban areas and 16 to 18 hours in rural areas. ………………

..well one more hour of power cut in Karnataka and we can give Shitistanis that extra 1500 MW over and above the 5000 on offer,

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2012 06:25

Rohit_K wrote:A map to put things into perspective:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/176/24108751.jpg

It's an Indian plot. That crash site is a few hundreds of meters away from a proposed 50kt nuke on Rawalpindi
http://www.aame.in/2012/02/nuclear-weap ... istan.html

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 21 Apr 2012 06:26

Sushupti wrote:Hamoodur Rehman Comm Report on Yayha Khan's philandering and drinking p. 122

A particular pronunciation of "Yahya" in punjabi means "Fu(k Fu(k" - page 68 (The Duel - Pakistan on the flight path of American Power) by Tariq Ali.

Proved to be his namesake

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shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2012 06:42

Sushupti wrote:Hamoodur Rehman Comm Report on Yayha Khan's philandering and drinking p. 122
http://a.yfrog.com/img816/3161/kkfut.jpg

Thanks for posting. Goes into my collection.

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Apr 2012 07:05

arun wrote:
shravan wrote:Unending violence claims 13 lives in Karachi
http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=46440&CID=1

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Appears the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday has not been effective in getting the Mohammadden denizens of Karachi in toning down violence levels . The body-count, despite today being the Mohammadden Sabbath, has pipped yesterdays:

Rohit_K wrote:Thursday: 11 killed in fresh Karachi violence

Today (morning session): Three gunned down in Karachi areas

Still another 2 sessions left to play today. Will they be able to achieve a lead?

The death toll in the Mohammadden Sabbath Slaughter Spree in Karachi on Friday has reached 17:

17 gunned down in Karachi killing spree

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 21 Apr 2012 07:13

Jhujar wrote:Sholution to Shiacheen
Aibba Poaqadra Dawngadra
A deal on Siachen or Sir Creek have long been presented by the Pakistani side as the so-called ‘low-hanging fruit’, but India has been disinclined to share that view — though the tragedy in Siachen could propel talks on a deal there.

Dawood, Salauddin, Hafiz Saeed and like are the low hanging fruits that need to be plucked even before Sir Creek.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2012 07:30

shiv wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Hamoodur Rehman Comm Report on Yayha Khan's philandering and drinking p. 122
http://a.yfrog.com/img816/3161/kkfut.jpg
Thanks for posting. Goes into my collection.

From Pakistan's Drift Into Extremism: Allah, The Army, And America's War On Terror By Hassan Abbas

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2012 10:00

Satya_anveshi wrote:="Sushupti"]Hamoodur Rehman Comm Report on Yayha Khan's philandering and drinking p. 122
A particular pronunciation of "Yahya" in punjabi means "Fu(k Fu(k" - page 68 (The Duel - Pakistan on the flight path of American Power) by Tariq Ali.Proved to be his namesake .

Same meaning for Zadha or Zadeh.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 21 Apr 2012 10:30

Jhujar wrote:Pakistan stands isolated in South Asia/ Everyboy Slap Pakistan

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_3
In the past, Pakistan’s Generals have revelled in China’s support, believing that China could provide economic and military support in the absence of the US. China, while on good terms with Pakistan, is neither capable nor interested in providing military and economic aid to Pakistan. China relies on massive trading with the US and India and will not jeopardise those critical economic relationships for Pakistan. Furthermore, China is also wary of Pakistan’s use of Islam and terrorism because of China’s own concern over the Muslim separatist movement in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region.Far more damaging to the Pakistan army’s strategic calculus of yesteryears is the fact that there is no possibility for Pakistan to exploit the rivalry between the US and Russia any more as they have moved a long way from their cold war days. The US and Russia share the same concerns over Islamic radicalism and terrorism. Russia not only appears unwilling to engage in treasury-draining conflicts, it has achieved its own foreign policy objectives in Afghanistan and Central Asia through the US military.The use of Pakistan’s strategic location is not going to bring Pakistan rent any more. The most lucrative economic prospects for Pakistan — oil pipeline projects originating from Iran and Central Asia — have both stagnated due to Pakistan’s own violent destabilising actions in Afghanistan and India. Now, Pakistan stands on the verge of being left on the wayside as the US government weighs its decision about an exit from Afghanistan and a rethinking of NATO supply routes through Pakistan.Moribund thinking and obsession over conflict with India has landed Pakistan in a dark place. There is no possibility of recovering from self-sustained wounds for Pakistan unless it makes peace with India. It seems that the long-restrained civilian leadership of Pakistan is making the right moves by tamping down on rhetoric against India and attempting to initiate some semblance of a peace process. Peace with India is essential for peace in the region and the world. If this is not accomplished, once again a Mumbai-type attack will be engineered to derail the India-Pakistan peace process and the region will be forced into a conflagration.

WTF! Is that a threat to accept the piss offer and pay jizzya or else.......

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2012 10:46

Ajeeb Pakistan hai yeh, By Wakeel Quaid-e Hajjum
Naa Khushi yahan koi, buss siraf Ghum hii Ghum
Mubarak IED ki tumko, Jummah sei Mashhoor ho gaye
72 Ke itne paaass ho, Iss Duniya se dhoor ho gaye.

Djannat mei jaa ke Poaq Tum , Green Ashiana Laggayo ge
Shia, Ahmadi, Kaffir Na wanha, AK47 Kis pei Chalayogei ?

Ajeeb Pakistan ha yeh, Naa koi Khushi, yanha hai buss Ghum hi Ghum.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 21 Apr 2012 11:05

The glory of Paki Army in full frontal

Nights of the knights

Brigade Major Munawar Khan testified before the Hamood-ur -Rahman Commission (The Commission) that the Commander Brigadier Hayatullah had brought some girls for entertainment in his bunker on the night of 11th & 12th December 1971 in Maqbulpur sector when enemy shells were falling on his troops. Brigadier Jahanzeb Arbab (later Lieut. General) as SMLA Multan had demanded 100,000 as bribery from a PCS officer who was chairman of Multan Municipal Committee. The PCS officer committed suicide while leaving a note behind which read that he had only earned rupees 15000 while the SMLA was asking for rupees 100,000, informed Brigadier Abbas Beg to the Commission. The same Jahanzeb Arbab as Commander 57 brigade in former East Pakistan had looted rupees 13.5 million from the National bank treasury in Siraj Ganj.

The Commission concluded that Major General Khudadad Khan Adjutant General Pakistan Army had illicit relations with General Aqleem Akhter Rani whom he helped in suppressing some martial law cases. He also minted money in a number of business deals during martial law.

General A.A K Niazi had amorous relations with Ms Saeeda Bukhari of Gulberg Lahore who used to run a brothel house by the name of Sinorita Home. She also worked as a tout for Tiger Niazi for receiving money and getting things done when he was GOC and later Corps Commander at Lahore. She also colluded with Niazi in the smuggling of pan from East Pakistan. Shamim Firdaus was another notorious character from Sialkot who did the same job as Saeeda Bukhari but at a different location. Major Sajjad-ul-Haq of 604 field intelligence unit told the Commission that dancing girls were frequently brought to a house in Dacca where they would entertain the generals. He further informed that Tiger Niazi would even visit some dancing girls in his staff car bearing 3 stars and the corps flag. Lt.Colonel Aziz Ahmad Khan told the Commission that the troops said “When the commander himself was a rapist, how could they be stopped”. General Niazi also shamelessly defended the rapists by declaring that: “You cannot expect a man to live, fight and die in East Pakistan and go to Jhelum for sex; would you?”

Yahiya Khan was extremely fond of women and wine. Some of his girl friends were wife of an IG Police, Begum Shamim.K.N Hussain,Begum Junagadh, Madam Noor Jehan, Aqleem Akhtar Rani ,wife of a Karachi based businessman Mansoor Heerji, wife of a junior police officer, Nazli Begum, ex wife of Major General(retd) Latif Khan Mst Zainub, ex wife of Sir Khizar Hayat Tiwana with the same name i.e. Zainub, Anwara Begum, an industrialist from Dacca, Lilly khan and Laila Muzammil, again from Dacca, plus actresses Shabnam, Shagufta,Naghma , Tarana and countless others. A number of generals and other army officers would accompany their wives and other female relations to presidency and then leave while the ladies would remain behind. The report contains names of more than 500 women who spent time with the most licentious ruler of this country and in return extracted countless material benefits at the expense of the State. The wives of Generals Naseem, Hameed, Latif, khudad, Shahid, Yaqoob,Riaz,Peerzada,Mian and several others were Yahiya’s regular visitors. Even when the situation in East Pakistan was degenerating Yahiya Khan used to visit Lahore and stay at the Governor House where the aphrodisiac Madam Noor Jehan used to meet him at least twice or thrice a day, in different dresses, makeover and hairdo. At night, she made sure that she was there. General Rani told ex-IG Prisons Hafiz Qasim that once she herself saw General Yahiya pouring liquor over the body of Malika-e -Tarannum Noor Jehan and then licking it, while both were sitting naked on the bed. This was when East Pakistan was burning. Begum Shamim K N Hussain would come to see Yahiya at night and would leave early morning. Later Shamim was appointed ambassador to Austria while her husband was sent as Pakistan’s ambassador to Switzerland. Both husband and wife were not from Foreign Service with no experience of diplomacy. The father of Shamim, Justice (retd) Amin Ahmad was appointed Director National Shipping Corporation when he was 70 years of age. Similarly when Noor Jehan went to Tokyo to take part in a music festival, she got hefty allowances in foreign exchange in violation of rules while many of her family members were sent to Japan on state expense. When Nazli Begum, one of Yahiya’s mistresses was not sanctioned loan by the MD PICIC, Yahiya dismissed the officer.

61, Harley Street Rawalpindi, a house owned by Yahiya was built and decorated with funds obtained from Standard Bank. Yahiya and his Chief of staff General Abdul Hamid Khan used to have fun with their mistresses in the guarded premises of this house. General Rani in one of her rare interviews described Yahiya’s idiosyncratic behavior “One night Agha Jani came to visit me and was somewhat agitated. The moment he entered, he inquired if I had heard the song "cheeche da chala" from the film Dhee Rani. I smiled and stated that I had no time to listen to songs. So, he called the military secretary and ordered him to have a copy of the song delivered to my house at once. It was two o' clock in the morning and the MS had to specially have an audio shop opened up in order to obtain the album. But the command was obeyed and within an hour, Agha Jani was blissfully listening to the song.

Another widely circulated anecdote during the regime of the philanderer General Yahiya Khan was about actress Tarana, One evening a woman arrived at the presidential palace and demanded admission, “I am actress Tarana,” she told the security guards. “I don’t care what Tarana you are,” replied the guard, “you have to have a pass to go in.”
The woman was incensed and demanded to speak to the ADC to the President. The guard rang up the ADC and was told to let the woman in. Two hours later when she was leaving, the same guard sprang to attention and saluted her. “What change in your behavior!” remarked the woman very sarcastically.

“Yes madam,” replied the guard, “when you came, you were the actress Tarana; now you are leaving you are the Qaumi Tarana (national anthem), and so I must salute you.”

General Agha Mohammed Yahya Khan continued to live a peaceful and happy life at 61, Harley Street, Rawalpindi while drawing full retirement benefits including pensions as Army Chief and as President. When he died on August 10, 1980 he was honored with a full military burial.

Sources:

1. Supplementary Hamood-ur-Rahman Commission Report completed in 1974

2. General Aqleem Akhtar Rani’s interview published in the Newsline of May 2002

Waseem Altaf is a human rights activist.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2012 11:10

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... ide-000000
The Indian-Pakistani Divide
Why India Is Democratic and Pakistan Is Not

There was also more popular support for India at the time it was created than there was for Pakistan. The Indian National Congress, the torchbearer of India's nationalist movement, had enjoyed mass support since the 1920s, when Mohandas Gandhi became the party's leader. The Pakistani nationalist movement, the Muslim League, was not popular at all among Indian Muslims until the mid-1940s, just before partition. As a result, writes Oldenburg, referring to his famous 1985 Journal of Asian Studies article, one of the foremost on the 1971 breakup of East and West Pakistan, Pakistan was "a place insufficiently imagined" among those who would eventually live there. Feeling that lack of popular support, Muslim League leaders were hesitant to let other political parties develop once the country was created. Additionally, they feared that parties would divide an already weak nation. Since independence, the government has tried to limit Pakistan's political liberalization by introducing notions such as "controlled democracy," which has involved holding partyless elections at times. India's party system, on the other hand, is a venerable and robust arena for aggregating and articulating citizens' interests, and the field of parties is ever expanding.Hinduism was never India's official religion, but the rise of Hindu nationalism, which culminated in the formation of a government led by the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in 1998, has taken India down an increasingly ethnoreligious path. BJP rule marginalized religious minorities and led to many anti-Muslim riots across India in the 1990s and communal violence in Gujarat in 2002. Oldenburg concludes that the Hindu nationalists "succeeded in putting Muslims 'in their place,' as second-class citizens."

To overcome this situation, the relationship between India and Pakistan -- not just the comparison between them -- must be addressed. India, a growing economic power, resents being grouped with a quasi-failed state. Indian leaders were quite happy, for example, when U.S. President Barack Obama visited India but not Pakistan during his last Asian tour. But decoupling is not only bad for U.S.-Pakistani relations -- Pakistan longs to be recognized as on par with India and could be easier to work with if it is, even if only symbolically -- it is not really in India's interest, either. China, India's real rival, could take advantage of a Pakistan alienated from the West. And if Pakistan falls apart, democracy in India might be affected as well. Already, routinized terrorist violence has taken its toll on Indian civil liberties. And communal harmony in India, which has always been tenuous, has become increasingly strained thanks to terrorist attacks and the BJP's Hindu nationalist policies. The best way forward will be for both countries, with the support of the international community, to launch a new round of dialogue. Without such attention to Indian-Pakistani relations, India's democracy will not prosper and Pakistan's generals will never unclench their fists.

( Gora Giving sermon)

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 21 Apr 2012 11:36

Mangoes exploding in Pakistan?

Pakistan plane crash victims mourned

Pakistan has begun mourning the victims of a plane crash in a residential area near Islamabad international airport.

There were 121 passengers and six crew on board the Bhoja Air jet, flight BHO-213 from Karachi to Islamabad.

Rescue workers resumed their search of the wreckage in the village of Hussain Abad on Saturday morning, and officials now confirm there are no survivors.

Officials say the Boeing 737's cockpit flight recorder has been recovered and would be handed to investigators.

The plane was making its final approach to the airport when the crash happened. There were reports of thunderstorms at the time.

Bodies are being recovered, Brigadier Sarfraz Ali, who is co-ordinating recovery work, told reporters.

"We cannot identify them because some of the bodies are not recognisable," he said.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik has said that Farooq Bhoja, head of Bhoja Air, has been barred from leaving the country, as the investigation into the crash gets under way.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Apr 2012 11:50

Jhujar wrote: And if Pakistan falls apart, democracy in India might be affected as well.

This is hilarious. Democracy is packaged product from the west given to India.

Without such attention to Indian-Pakistani relations, India's democracy will not prosper and Pakistan's generals will never unclench their fists.

THey want to make a success of India when at the same time for the last 30 years they have funded and aided jihad terror

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Apr 2012 12:01

Jhujar wrote:http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... ide-000000
The Indian-Pakistani Divide
Why India Is Democratic and Pakistan Is Not

Hinduism was never India's official religion, but the rise of Hindu nationalism, which culminated in the formation of a government led by the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in 1998, has taken India down an increasingly ethnoreligious path. BJP rule marginalized religious minorities and led to many anti-Muslim riots across India in the 1990s and communal violence in Gujarat in 2002. Oldenburg concludes that the Hindu nationalists "succeeded in putting Muslims 'in their place,' as second-class citizens."

This author is a Hindutva baiter for the last 25 years.
He does not connect rapid Pakistan Islamist fascist movement from 1993 and jihad in Kashmir with Indian nationalism at all and this intellectual dishonesty is the most glaring.
Hindu religious practice is being targetted in Kashmir and inside Pakistan rapidly in the last 30 years and he does not acknowledge it at all. This is the most glaring gap in the so called 'scholarship'

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Apr 2012 12:19

Prasant wrote:

Pakistan plane crash victims mourned
Pakistan has begun mourning the victims of a plane crash in a residential area near Islamabad international airport.

And led by the nose, India follows ............

Prime Minister condoles Pakistan plane crash

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 21 Apr 2012 13:05

Can someone pl find and post the last article by Murtaza Rizvi? I could not locate it.

Regarding Murtaza Rizvi from CSM

And his last article was about how India-Pakistan peace would be good for neutralizing hawks inside and outside the military.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 21 Apr 2012 13:07

It is obvious that Murtaza Rizvi ruffled a few feathers in PA/ISI, and probably is the cause of his untimely death. However PA/ISI escape public scrutiny over the journalist's murder due to air crash incident as people's attention is diverted. Hope the pressure is maintained by the WW and journalistic community in pak.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 21 Apr 2012 13:16

How they make up such headlines

US apology further delayed

A US apology to Pakistan over the Salala incident got further delayed when a senior American senator, who was expected to take the apology to Islamabad, postponed his visit.

“I can tell you with certainty that the apology aka Senator Kerry has no plans to visit Pakistan,” the Senator’s spokesperson Jodi Seth told Dawn.

meri apology.... aayegi

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Apr 2012 13:56

Pakistani Generals have often complained of being used by the US and then left alone once it achieved its objectives. However, they were always confident that the strategic location of Pakistan, and the rivalry between the US, Russia and China would always keep Pakistan in the middle of Asia’s geostrategic game. However, the political and economic dynamics of the world have changed in ways Pakistan’s army could not envision. Pakistan will not be in the middle of geostrategic rivalries and there will be no one to finance its rentier state.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 21 Apr 2012 14:04

Manmohan Singh and Asif Zardari: A Hopeful Encounter

Apologies if this has been posted before. The Schaffers analyse the current status of Paki Schizophrenia with India

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 21 Apr 2012 14:07

Can someone pl find and post the last article by Murtaza Rizvi? I could not locate it.

Don't know if it is his last article..but guess this is what did him in. Lilo ji connected the dots and posted this 2 pages back on the murder: Repeating because this is a quiet repeat of the SSS of ATimes saga.

February 24, 2012 by Murtaza Razvi

National security indeed is a matter of utmost concern for our civil-military establishment policy makers; it has been so since the heady days of Ayub Khan’s martial law of 1958, down to the 1999 coup d’etat, and straight on to last year’s Abbottabad raid by US Navy SEALs to the ‘Memogate’ scandal. And there has been consistent failure on the part of the same forces which are consumed by such concerns to safeguard national security — except when it comes to civilian rule when it is seen as acting against national security prerogatives.

These in turn, since 1948, have been defined as threat from India, to threat from Bengali nationalism, to threat from Pakhtun nationalism of yore, to Sindhi and now Baloch nationalism. The two constants in this threat perception of the defence officialdom have been India and the civilian, elected governments. America, via the Afghan endgame and Balochistan, is the latest parable that has been introduced into the threat perception list.

And just what (or who) are the safeguards against these multiple existential threats posed to the integrity and sovereignty of Pakistan from these varying quarters from time to time?

A non-existent Nation of Islam, a proxy army of semi-literate, trained and untrained jihadi volunteers; and a professional, nuclear-armed army sworn to protecting the state’s ideological frontiers that extend into the strategic depths of Afghanistan. This has been and is the wherewithal of our national security regime, which overrides all others, notably rule of law through democratic institutions that would invest in human capital and through it into globally acceptable and sustainable norms of economic activity aimed at measurable progress. No wonder the failures are stunning. And there will always be a popular centrifugal force, with or without help from a foreign country to undo us.

Islam as a state ideology has failed to unite Pakistanis as a nation, because religion has not done so since the abolition of the classical Muslim Caliphate, which clearly had run its course centuries ago; or else Muslims from Morocco and Bosnia to Brunei and Indonesia would form a single nation state today. Turks and Arabs would not have fought amongst themselves wars of conquest, and of deceit, respectively, the latter in cohorts with Britain and France in the 20-century; last but not least, there is not even a concept of a single Arab Muslim nation, let alone one great Nation of Islam.

This is because people will be people, and no two communities’ much loved and practised Islamic ideals really match for them to embrace an umbrella divine law under which everyone can live happily ever after. It hasn’t happened and it won’t happen for a long time. Why? Because all so-called ‘divine law’ is based on the interpretation of the divine sources by fallible, albeit great men of learning, who too could not but disagree with one another in their own historical times and spaces.

Hence the long recognised, at least, four major fiqhs of the majority Sunni Muslim creed alone. Add to them the many Shia sects and fiqhs, and you complete the picture of Muslim practices and beliefs as they exist today outside the sealed and closed minds of Pakistan’s religious ideologues. And then there are this country’s equally bona fide non-Muslim citizens, and ethno-centric communities, some as big as to qualify as successful nation states, Bangladesh being a very potent example in recent history.

What, then, can hold Pakistan together? The armed forces with a nuclear arsenal, and an unquestionable sense of patriotism that relies on a common majority faith as a basis of a nation state? Or is it a well developed human capital where everyone gets what they deserve, and everyone regardless of their religious or ethnic identity, becomes an equal stakeholder in being united as one nation? Sadly, the latter possibility cannot become a reality unless we revisit the way we have been looking at ourselves and seeking a gel in the very substance that continues to divide us.

Whilst for the proud Baloch, there can be little contradiction between being Baloch and Muslim, there are nothing but contradictions between being Baloch and a Pakistani Muslim as per the state’s prescription. Faith in Islam has not held back either our very practising Muslim security forces and intelligence apparatus or the Baloch nationalists from torturing or killing those who they believe are working against their respectively and, at variance, defined national interest.

The state must shed the burden of its imposed ideology, which parochially defines its citizens’ Islamic identity whilst making it controversial at the same time. This in turn negates the people’s respective ethnic identities and their status as equal citizens of the state. Thus, we end up with supposedly more patriotic Punjabis and Mohajirs, and now Pathans joining their ranks, united only against the revolting Baloch. In 1971 the first mentioned three communities came together to hold the majority Bengali traitors; today they’re being steered to holding the minority Baloch as being equally inimical to what remains of Pakistan.

http://dawn.com/2012/02/24/united-we-fall/

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 21 Apr 2012 14:25

From the BBC:
Afghanistan militants 'planning huge' attack held in Kabul

The explosives, stuffed in 400 bags and hidden under piles of potatoes, were to have been used in a massive attack targeting crowded areas of the capital, he added.

The spokesman said the five suspects had links with Pakistan's main intelligence organisation, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, and were acting on the orders of two Taliban commanders.
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Earlier, another spokesman said the men - three Pakistan citizens and two Afghans - were thought to belong to the Pakistan-based Haqqani insurgent network.
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Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 21 Apr 2012 18:57

Denizens of the Islamic Republic loot the belongings of the Plane Crash Victims

ISLAMABAD - A dirty picture at the site of Bhoja Airline plane crash emerged as few people from nearby areas remained busy in looting the luggage and expensive items of the victims of the crash.
The culprits were collecting jewelry, watches, imported bags and key items of the travelers who were flying from Karachi to Islamabad Friday night.
The heirs of victims reached the capital through a special flight by Pakistan Airlines.
“How is it possible for a human being to loot money and jewelry brewed in blood and flesh of a human,” said a person at the spot. “It is disgusting to see such things around dead bodies and wreckage of a plane,” he added.
Later the culprits were caught by security officials when police reached the spot.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 21 Apr 2012 20:18

^^ one comment from the above article.

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People caught looting belongings of crash victims

Agree with jia if humans and even plane parts are burnt then how these accessories could be left

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2012 21:10

Satya_anveshi wrote:Can someone pl find and post the last article by Murtaza Rizvi? I could not locate it.

Regarding Murtaza Rizvi from CSM
And his last article was about how India-Pakistan peace would be good for neutralizing hawks inside and outside the military.

He used to be extremely supportive of Ahmadis and quite vocal about Shia killings.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 21 Apr 2012 21:35

Lentils are black - someone suspected and was convinced that he will be gone for good or going for bad.

Slain Pak scribe's unfulfilled dream: to visit relatives in Nagpur REDIFF Report

Finally the home ministry relented and agreed to grant Murtaza Rizvi a visa and he was scheduled to come to India [ Images ] on June 30, 2012, before fate intervened in the form of his murderer(s), reports A Ganesh Nadar

For the last two years, Murtaza Rizvi, magazine editor at Pakistan's Dawn group of newspapers, had been trying to get a visa to come to India to meet his relatives from his mother's side who live in Nagpur, Mumbai [ Images ] and Pune, but to no avail.

Finally, after intervention from the Pune-based Sarhad and the Nagpur-based Vanarai, two NGOs that foster cross-border amity, Rizvi was to get a visa in June to come to India.

But that was not to be. On Thursday, April 19, Rizvi was found strangulated to death in his hometown of Karachi, his body showing signs of torture.

Sarhad founder Sanjay Nahar told rediff.com, "I first met him in March 2011 when I visited Pakistan. He told me his mother was from Nagpur and spoke fluent Marathi." Rizvi told Nahar he was very keen on visiting his ancestral village near Nagpur.

Sarhad and Venrai then invited Rizvi to attend the Gandhi Jayanti celebrations in Mumbai last year, following which he applied for an Indian visa but his application was rejected.

Girish Gandhi of Vanarai invited Rizvi to a function in Nagpur that was to be presided over by Bharatiya Janata Party [ Images ] president Nitin Gadkari [ Images ] who too hails from that city. "We also wanted him to meet Anna Hazare, but the government refused to give him a visa at that time," says Gandhi.

Rizvi tried for an Indian visa in January this year, once again with with no luck.

Following this Vanarai, founded by former Union minister Mohan Dharia who was conferred the Indira Gandhi [ Images ] award for national integration last year, wrote to the home minister recommending that Rizvi be given a visa.

Finally the home ministry relented and agreed to grant Rizvi a visa and he was scheduled to come to India on June 30, 2012, before fate intervened in the form of his murderer(s).

Nahar recalls his last conversation with Rizvi about 10 days back. 'I am not confident that they will give me a visa, the Islamabad [ Images ] embassy and the Delhi [ Images ] embassy have always refused. I want to meet my mother's relatives in Nagpur. Like me there are many people in Karachi who have relatives in Maharashtra [ Images ],' he had said then.

Nahar recalls, "I have spoken to him more than 20 times over the last two years, and never thought anything like this would happen. He was born after 1947 and he has come to Delhi and Mumbai many years ago."

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 21 Apr 2012 21:44

He leaves behind, besides his wife Shahrezad Samiuddin, three beautiful minor daughters to whom he was devoted: Maya, Priya and Dina.

Colleagues’ tribute to Murtaza Razvi
http://dawn.com/2012/04/20/colleagues-t ... -razvi-fm/