Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

[lakshmikanth]

Had the bomb disposal squad gone in before the evacuation, they would have found many bombs to diffuse

[rajanb]

From Yawn Happy Fried Din

PESHAWAR: A US drone strike in North Waziristan’s Shawal district near the Pak-Afghan border area killed eight people on Friday, DawnNews reported.

Sources said that that several missiles were fired at a residential building.

Several people were also injured in the strike

Several unmanned aircraft were hovering in the skies above at the time of attack, sources added.

The identities of those killed in the attack could not be immediately confirmed.

The attacks took place a day after Pakistan’s Foreign Office summoned a senior American diplomat to protest against US drone strikes in the country’s troubled tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.

The US State department had confirmed the protests on Thursday.

[Brad Goodman]

Great acheivement post ramadan. Gold medal in scuba diving for baki rupee
Pakistan rupee sinks to record low against dollar

The rupee fell to 94.75 to the greenback in trading in Karachi on Friday, down from 94.70 on Thursday, and has now lost 33 percent of its value against the US currency since March 2008.

AOA Inshaallah I want to see 100 mark soon

[ramana]

Rajanb, Should it be " Happy Fried Djinn"!

[RCase]

These Pakistanis plummet new depths every day- abey, kis bandar ki maari?

Aha, so the bakis will no longer be inbred. They will now be crossbred.

After all biologically, Bandar is considered cousin of human beings! It is just a matter of a cousin further removed.

[Prem]

"Pratyush"="BaikulAfter all biologically, Bandar is considered cousin of human beings! It is just a matter of a cousin further removed.

Crossbreedhoor

PoaqCrossFamily

[Lilo]

At Least 18 Killed in U.S. Drone Strikes in Pakistan

The missiles struck mud-walled compounds and at least two vehicles, killing at least 18 people, one of the security officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. An official from the local administration confirmed the strikes.

The attacks came one day after the Pakistani Foreign Office summoned an American Embassy official to protest earlier drone strikes in North Waziristan during the annual Id al-Fitr religious holiday, which ended on Wednesday.
It was the eighth time in 12 months that the Pakistani government had issued a formal protest on the issue, a senior Pakistani official said.

Somemore hallaled by bird droppings during Frydin.

[Anindya]

No prizes for guessing where the cleric is from...

Norway: Muslim cleric calls for beheading of those who fail to fast on Ramadan

"Plans on opening 200 student Muslim school..."

On the heels of the Muslim terrorist group Ansar al-Sunna’ demanding a section of the Norweigian capitol be ceded to them as a fundamentalist Muslim nation or face terrorist attacks that would rival 9/11, a Muslim imam is calling for the beheading of all those who fail to fast during Ramadan.

Alarmingly enough, the Norwegian-Pakistani imam Fayed Sarased Ali Bukhari, wants to establish a school for 200 children in the Oslo area.

[RamaY]

^ I think evil brammins should report the 786 million unfaithfuls in Ummah who are not fasting in Ramadan. Perhaps they shud behead these fake musalmans themselves.

Assuming each person eats 100gms of meat per day, we can save 30 million cattle this way (madarsa math)

[saip]

No prizes for guessing where the cleric is from...

Norway: Muslim cleric calls for beheading of those who fail to fast on Ramadan

"Plans on opening 200 student Muslim school..."

On the heels of the Muslim terrorist group Ansar al-Sunna’ demanding a section of the Norweigian capitol be ceded to them as a fundamentalist Muslim nation or face terrorist attacks that would rival 9/11, a Muslim imam is calling for the beheading of all those who fail to fast during Ramadan.

Alarmingly enough, the Norwegian-Pakistani imam Fayed Sarased Ali Bukhari, wants to establish a school for 200 children in the Oslo area.

In the above article there is link for another story

Muslims demand breakaway Islamic nation in Norway or another 9/11 threatened

I fully support this demand.

[joygoswami]

From the same link.

BRITISH SCHOOLS DROPS HOLOCAUST FROM HISTORY LESSONS SO AS NOT TO OFFEND MULLAHS OF LONDONISTAN

[Anindya]

from the above link...

In an effort to counter ‘Islamophobia’ in British schools, teachers now are required to teach ‘key Muslim contributions such as Algebra and the number zero’ in math and science courses, even though the concept of zero originated in India.

[partha]

^
Looks like a fake report. No source cited. The document from UK gov website linked in the report does not contain any such things mentioned in the article.

Also see this - http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/holocaust.asp

[Prem]

Pawarful and Dawoodful Statement of Intent

India permits Pakistanis , Dawoodstanis to invest in financial markets

Pakistan, or an entity incorporated in Pakistan, may, with the prior approval of the Foreign Investment Promotion Board of the Government of India, purchase shares and convertible debentures of an Indian company, under Foreign Direct Investment Scheme, subject to relevant terms and conditions.According to a press release issued by the Indian High Commission here on Friday, such Indian company should not engage in sectors/activities pertaining to defence, space and the atomic energy and sectors/activities prohibited for foreign investment.

[Prem]

THIS is apropos of supplement ‘Azadi Parade at PMA, Kakul’ (Aug 14).

Karmo Ka Phal

Independence Day parades were initially held in Karachi (then Pakistan’s capital) in 1947-48. Now it is held in Kakul, a suburb of Distt Abbotabad in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.Though there has been a change of venues from time to time, public participation and other essential constituents in these events have somewhat reduced.Independence Day parades were not only held at Karachi but also at all the provincial capitals like Dacca, Lahore, Peshawar and Quetta with full participation of not only the three armed forces but also by contingents of Police, Qaumi Razakaars, student scouts, Girl Guides and some other organisations as well.When General Ayub Khan shifted the capital to Islamabad, the venue of these annual parades became the Race Course Ground in Rawalpindi near the Army’s GHQ, where public participation was still visible but in reduced numbers as compared to Karachi.Now, Independence Day parades at other provincial capitals seem to have faded, leaving no opportunity for public participation. Whether it was a deliberate move on the part of the successive governments is anybody’s guess.From the Race Course Ground Rawalpindi, the parade began taking place at the main boulevard of the Blue Area Islamabad in the rule of Gen Zia ul Haq.hile march past and fly past were staged there, there was no participation of the Police, Razakars, Scouts, Girl-Guides and most importantly, any sizeable public due to security reasons.Ironically, we could not continue with the ritual of the armed forces’ Independence Day Parade at Islamabad for long.The threat of terrorist attacks dampened our spirits, forcing us to abandon even the much anticipated celebration. All this has happened in the name of national security.Now the venue chosen to celebrate the Azadi Parade is the village Kakul, farthest from Karachi.Azadi Parades and their venues notwithstanding, the people of Pakistan seem to have lost the hope to live in peace and prosperity.

G. ASS GHAR KA MALLI

[SSridhar]

Floods caused by India

Separately, Jamatud Dawa head Hafiz Saeed warned the government to be alert to face any flood emergency situation. He said India was letting water towards Pakistan deliberately to create floods. Saeed said, “India stores water at illegally made dams at Pakistani rivers and nullahs and let it move towards Pakistan intentionally in monsoon season to create such flood situations to destroy the crops on hundreds of acres of land.” He said further the government should take a firm step against such issues.

[SSridhar]

Two more Kamra attack Freedom Fighters identified - DT

Anas from Kasur and Taimur from Sialkot were the two militants among nine attackers who intruded the base. Faisal Shehzad, another bomber, who was identified earlier, belonged to Taxila. Sources close to the ongoing investigations told a private TV channel that all the three were associated with a banned outfit.

All Punjabis.

[anupmisra]

And, one the greatest "pakjabis" ever, Im the Dim, lays out hisparty's economic manifesto.

Chairman Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI), Imran Khan, Friday said that his party would inspire people to pay taxes in order to double the tax to GDP ratio

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Pakistan is a country which pays more charity than taxes[/b because people know their money will not be used properly]

The business community in Pakistan is scared and factories are moving away to Bangladesh and Dubai

Khan said the initial support needed to bring Pakistan out of the crisis would come from the Pakistanis living abroad

Khan said that he had learned from his cricket experience that you couldn’t win a match if you have a team of your close friends.

PTI ... will make every government official declare their assets publicly

About adopting austerity, Khan said he would break all the symbols of opulence once in power

We will vacate all the lavish governmental buildings and convert them into education institutes and libraries

A son-of-the-soil pakjabi has spoken (with true pakjabi-like bluster steeped in ignorance and inexperience).

[anupmisra]

All Punjabis.

You mean, "All Pakjabis".

[anupmisra]

65 and still not sure of its identity
Some historical insights worth pointing out.

What had initially started as a struggle for power between the Muslim Salariats and feudal class on one side and Hindu rising bourgeoisie, on the other, within the frame work of India, eventually evolved in the division of India on a communal basis.

The turning point was the 1937 elections in which the All India Muslim League (AIML) suffered humiliating defeat.

It was only after the dismal defeat in the 1937 elections that Quaid-e-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah changed his tactics and started identifying himself with the Muslim symbolism

David Gilmartin (1989) has documented the important role that some leading pirs in Punjab played, in popularising the idea of Pakistan.

Many liberals in search of 'Jinnah's Pakistan' are heavily relying on his speech of August 11, 1947 and his interviews to the foreign media in which he said that Pakistan will not be a theocratic state or that the state has nothing to do with religion. But at times Jinnah gave out contradictory messages to different audiences. To the foreign press he gave a clear message that Pakistan will not be a 'theocratic state', which implicitly meant not based on religious tradition. While his message to the ulema was that Pakistan would be a country where Islam and Shari'a laws would apply.

[johneeG]

All Punjabis.

You mean, "All Pakjabis".

'Pakjab', like 'Pakistan', is an artificial identity masking the undeniable truth.

[Ambar]

A senior Pakistani Taliban leader was killed in a NATO airstrike in Afghanistan's volatile northern Kunar province, the NATO-led coalition said Saturday.
Maulawi Dadullah was one of several insurgents killed Friday in an airstrike in Kunar's Shigal wa Sheltan district, according to a statement released by the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force.
Dadullah, also known as Jamal, was responsible for moving fighters and weapons through the area, ISAF said. Dadullah also coordinated attacks against Afghan and coalition forces, fighters and weapons, according to ISAF.
Dadullah's deputy, identified only as Shakir, was also killed in the airstrike, the coalition said.
Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan said by telephone from an undisclosed location that Dadullah was one of a dozen fighters killed in the airstrike.
No civilians were injured and no property was damaged in the airstrike, ISAF said.
The coalition did not say how it identified Dadullah nor did it release details about how the airstrike occurred.

Didn't Dadullah claim responsibility for the Kamra attack ?

[RSoami]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 820948.ece
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wire ... ndia-iran/

India, Iran, Afghanistan meet. Among other things chabahar port to be discussed.
Meeting at Iranian behest !!

[shiv]

And, one the greatest "pakjabis" ever, Im the Dim, lays out hisparty's economic manifesto.

PTI ... will make every government official declare their assets publicly

er wat about jernails?

[Prem]

="anupmisra"]

All Punjabis.

You mean, "All Pakjabis
'Pakjab', like 'Pakistan', is an artificial identity masking the undeniable truth.

Pakhanjabis suits them.

[anmol]

Haqqani leader 'killed' by NATO drone

Badruddin Haqqani, operational commander of al-Qaeda-linked group, may have been killed in North Waziristan strike.

Last Modified: 25 Aug 2012 14:07

The operational commander of the Haqqani Network, the group behind some of the most high profile attacks in Afghanistan, may have been killed in a US drone strike, Pakistani intelligence sources have said.

Pakistani officials said on Saturday that Badruddin Haqqani, son of Afghan warlord, Jalauddin Haqqani, who is also believed to handle the network's vital business interests and smuggling operations, may have been killed in the North Waziristan region bordering Afghanistan.

"Our informers have told us that he has been killed in the drone attack on the 21st but we cannot confirm it," said one of the Pakistani intelligence officials.

If Badruddin's death is confirmed, it could deal a major blow to the Haqqani network, believed to be the group that introduced the practice of suicide boming to Afghanistan, where it is allied with the Taliban.

"We are 90 per cent sure that he was in the same house which was attacked with a drone on Tuesday," another Pakistani intelligence official said.

Sources close to the Haqqqani Network also said Badruddin was believed to be in the house, hit by a drone strike as
fighters were planting explosives in a vehicle meant to be used for an attack on NATO forces in Afghanistan.

"The drone fired two missiles on the house last Tuesday and killed 25 people, most of them members of the Haqqani family," one of the sources said.

However, one of Badruddin's relatives said he was alive and busy with his "jihad activities".

"Such claims are baseless," the relative told the Reuters news agency.

Taliban leader

If confirmed, it would be the second high-profile death in a drone strike in Pakistan this week.

Maulvi Dadullah, a key commander of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) the Pakistani branch of the Taliban, was killed on Friday evening in NATO air strikes in Afghanistan's eastern province of Kunar, NATO and Afghan officials said.

"There were two separate air strikes in Kunar [province] yesterday. A total of 12 insurgents were killed, six in each air strike," a NATO spokesman told the AFP news agency on Saturday.




The commander, along with his deputy, Shakir, and 10 others believed to be fighters, were killed in the attack that wounded seven others, Major General Ewaz Mohammad Naziri, told the Pajhwok news service in Afghanistan.

Pakistani Taliban officials, as well as Pakistani intelligence officials said Dadullah had been killed in a house in eastern Kunar province.

A spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban, Ahsanullah Ahsan, said Dadullah was killed in a drone strike in Kunar. He said Maulana Abu Bakar has been named as the new chief of the Bajur region.

Sayed Rahman, police chief of Kunar's Shigal district, where the attacks took place, said most of the dead were from neighbouring Pakistan.

Al Jazeera's Jennifer Glasse, reporting from Kabul, said fighters on either side often take advantage of the porous border between the neighbouring nations.

Referring to Pakistani groups such as the TTP, our correspondent said "when the Pakistani military put pressure on them, they cross over into Afghanistan, and vice versa".

Previous rumours

Rahman also confirmed Dadullah's death, saying "Commander Dadullah, the top Taliban commander in Bajaur agency of
Pakistan, is also among the dead".

Although rumours of his death have circulated before, Glasse said "the fact that local officials are saying its true, generally adds more credence" to the claims of Dadullah's death in an area that is often hard to gain access to.

A NATO statement describes Dadullah, also known as Jamal, as being responsible for "the movement of fighters and weapons, as well as attacks against Afghan and coalition forces".

Dadullah, in his forties, replaced Maulvi Faqir Mohammad last year after Mohammad told the media that the Taliban were holding peace talks with the government.

The group then replaced Mohammad with Dadullah to undercut the secret negotiations, Taliban commanders say.

Our correspondent said Dadullah's death would be a blow to the TTP "an organisation that has dogged Pakistan for a long time" now.

Last week, two dozen people, believed to be Taliban fighters, were killed in NATO air strikes in Chapa Dara district of Kunar as they gathered for a public execution.

[Lilo]

This Jahil Imam now claims he "saved" the Christian girl from violence

The Pakistani cleric who handed over a young Christian girl to police on blasphemy charges in a poor suburb of Islamabad claimed Friday he did so to protect her from mob violence.

The imam of the local mosque, Hafiz Khalid Chishti, insisted the girl was fully aware of what she was doing, calling it a “conspiracy and not a mistake”.

Police arrested the girl, Rimsha, who reportedly has Down’s Syndrome, in a low-income neighbourhood of the capital ....

Chishti said on the day of the incident he went to the girl’s home after people showed him the papers she had burned, and he found a crowd outside and three or four Muslim women attacking the youngster.

“Some women were beating her and other people were trying to break her arms when I rescued her,” Chishti told AFP.

Chishti, who leads the prayer in the mosque and was the first one contacted by the villagers to take action against Rimsha, said he avoided a major violence incident by handing her over to police.

“People were demanding to burn their house, but I went to police and called them to avoid a major incident,” he said.

The cleric said the girl was 14 years old and was fully mentally capable.

Now that the Pakis are taking out their frustration with their purelives on the mentally disabled ... its getting painfull to watch and more and more difficult to remind oneself that they are actually human.

This incident only strengthens the feeling that longer the uniformed and nonuniformed jihadis are kept in a state of impotency and dejection the greater will be their inclination to exhaust their demonic vasanas on each other. The continuing effort of Indian state should be to to sustain this state of impotency in the ghazis and making them painfully feel their powerlessness every living moment. In time they will be forced to strike out at the outside world and best course for India would be to parry the blows and stayout of the way.

[Prem]

Pakistani, Indian lawmakers propose far-reaching CBMs
Poaqasur Seculasur Idiotasurs

NEW DELHI: Ahead of External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna’s visit to Islamabad, parliamentarians of India and Pakistan on Friday recommended a clutch of radical confidence-building measures, including allowing travel by citizens across the border in their own vehicles and visa-free access for educationists and senior citizens. The Pakistani parliamentary delegation held two days of intense discussions with Indian MPs led by Yashwant Sinha, senior Bharatiya Janata Party leader and a former foreign minister, and Congress party’s Mani Shankar Aiyar.At the end of the discussions, the fourth India-Pakistan Parliamentarians Dialogue unveiled a slew of recommendations to expand people-to-people contacts and bolster strategic trust between the two neighbours.Releasing the joint statement, Sinha said the meeting was held in an “extremely cordial” atmosphere and all issues having a bearing on the India-Pakistan relations were discussed.“The feeling among people of both countries is of friendship and peace… it is quite clear that people of the two countries want to live in peace and prosper together,” he said.The two-day dialogue focused on easing travel and trade and to create better mutual understanding to improve bilateral ties.
The MPs suggested that India and Pakistan should allow each other’s citizens to travel across the border in their own vehicles and discontinue the practice of police reporting to avoid undue harassment. They recommended visa-free access for educationists and senior citizens.The MPs also recommended that both governments remove the ban/blockage on showing each other’s news and entertainment channels and pitched for greater exchange of artistes and media persons.They urged the two governments to spur the implementation of the agreements relating to trade and accelerate the process of finalisation of trade in energy-related products.Pakistan would respond positively if India provided evidence to it to support allegations that elements based on the Pakistani soil uploaded inflammatory content on websites on Assam violence, Member of National Assembly Khurram Dastagir Khan told reporters.“If the hate mails are generated or not generated (in Pakistan), it emphasises the reasons why we are here in India as we are here to create a positive atmosphere,” he remarked.He was reacting to a question on allegations made by India’s Home Secretary R.K. Singh that the home ministry had identified over 100 websites on which morphed images were posted from Pakistan to whip up communal tension in India.Responding to questions about Hindus from Pakistan crossing over to India due to alleged ill-treatment, Mr Khan said: “As far as we know, no Pakistani Hindu has so far applied for political asylum (here). The government is dealing with it and the Supreme Court has also taken note of it.”

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[Prem]

Pakistan probes report US strike killed Haqqani son
http://dawn.com/2012/08/26/pakistan-pro ... qqani-son/

KHAR: Pakistan is investigating whether the son of the founder of the powerful Haqqani militant network, which has been blamed for high-profile attacks and kidnappings in Afghanistan, was killed in a US drone strike this week, officials said Saturday. If confirmed, the death of Badruddin Haqqani, who has been described as the network’s day-to-day operations commander, would mark a major blow to the organization founded by his father, Jalaluddin Haqqani, and viewed by the US as a powerful enemy in neighboring Afghanistan.Two Pakistani intelligence officials said Saturday they are 90 per cent certain Badruddin was killed Tuesday in North Waziristan in an American missile attack. They said their information was based on reports received from their agents in the field but acknowledged they haven’t spoken to anyone who has seen the body.A senior Taliban commander said a US drone strike killed Badruddin. There was no independent confirmation, and the US does not comment publicly on the controversial drone program, which is widely reviled by the Pakistani public and has been a source of tension with Islamabad.

[Prem]

The ‘bloody’ Punjab partition — VI

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_5

The 20th century witnessed religious revivals in the three communities: Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs. Such revivals not only created dissension within these three communities as new theological schools emerged, but also between them. It was in the urban areas that such new tensions emerged in the 20th century. First, an ugly Hindu-Muslim confrontation took place in the wake of the publication of the highly provocative Rangeela Rasul (The Colourful Prophet) pamphlet in 1926 by Rajpal. It resulted in the murder of the publisher and the conviction and hanging of the assassin, Ilam Din, in 1929.In 1935, the Muslims and Sikhs of Lahore were drawn into the notorious Masjid-Gurudwara Shahidganj dispute. Besides tense courtroom scenes, violence crept into the conflict. Both communities claimed ownership of that sacred place, which at that time was in Sikh possession. The Muslims claimed that it had originally been a mosque. The agitation was started by Muslims. The Sikhs were outnumbered as Lahore was an overwhelmingly Muslim-majority city (more than 64 percent) while the Sikh population of the city was five percent only. A number of deaths took place. The Sikhs became increasingly fearful of Muslim majoritarian domination. The Lahore High Court confirmed the Sikh claims to that disputed place. It was received with great resentment by the Muslims.When the Lahore Resolution was adopted in 1940, considerable anxiety could be noted in Punjabi Hindu and Sikh circles. The Sikh leaders were determined to oppose the partition of India tooth and nail and immediately afterwards their leaders began to peddle ideas of Sikhistan while the Hindu Mahasabha and RSS, minor players in Punjab politics, were invigorated too. They had evolved a Hindu version of the Two Nation Theory, directed against Muslims. The Congress, which believed in the One Nation Theory based on inclusive criteria and secularism, was at that time still a minor player in Punjab. I

At this stage, the Congress committed a fatal blunder. Gandhi launched the Quit India movement in August 1942 with a view to driving the British out. Viceroy Lord Linlithgow retaliated with great ferocity. Arrests, public whippings and long prison sentences were meted out and the movement collapsed. In Punjab, the Quit India movement did not make much impression; the few Congress leaders and cadres were incarcerated, while most of Punjab remained loyal to the British. On the all-India level, the whole Congress leadership was sent to jail and remained there till the summer of 1945.Jinnah offered his hand of cooperation to the British. It helped recruiting soldiers into the army. In Punjab especially, this was very useful. The martial races theory was set aside and Muslims from urban backgrounds were now welcome to join the armed forces. It was among them that the Muslim League enjoyed support.

[Raja Bose]

Pakistan probes report US strike killed Haqqani son
http://dawn.com/2012/08/26/pakistan-pro ... qqani-son/

Two Pakistani intelligence officials said Saturday they are 90 per cent certain Badruddin was killed Tuesday in North Waziristan in an American missile attack[/b].

Only 90% certain he is dead? That means they are 410% certain he is alive.

[Mahendra]

AOA adminullah, there are a few posts in the psyops thread that need to be halaled ugrently

[SSridhar]

AOA adminullah, there are a few posts in the psyops thread that need to be halaled ugrently

Thanks. Done.

[Rajdeep]

Can anyone enlighten me about the Paki planes downing Israeli fighter planes in some gulf war , that the pakis seem to boast about on the TV shows frequently. Mostly it is zahil and his team of rabid poaks who make this claim so I would like some history lesson on this.

[jrjrao]

Oh, them good ol' times, that the Pakis and the Amrikees long for.

And do note the idiot State Department fool, talking so insouciantly about American deaths, as if she was talking about extinguished wax candles during the holiday season.

Commentary: Will Pakistan and America divorce?
By BEN BARBER

About a dozen of us Old Pakistan Hands gathered together the other night with an equal number of Pakistani-Americans to break the daily fast during the month of Ramadan with an Iftar meal.

At first, welcomed into the lovely home of a Pakistani-American doctor and surrounded by educated, professionals who have made new lives in America, you are swept away from the terrorism, drones, suicide bombings and anti-American rallies that have estranged our two peoples.

This was the Pakistan I remember, kind people with that melodic, vaguely English sub-continental accent. They were generous with what they had -- a cup of tea or a fine meal -- as I criss-crossed Pakistan on my first visit in 1967 or broke the fast in a Maryland suburb in 2012.

But now, frankly, I and several of the other old Pakistan hands, would fear to retrace those steps in Peshawar, Lahore and other cities and towns.

We broke the fast with traditional dates and almonds. Then came the potato samosa, dal, tandoori chicken, lamb stew, rice, chepati, spinach with potato and too many other dishes.

After we ate and shared quiet conversations, we were asked to speak out on the state of U.S. Pakistan affairs....After we ate and shared quiet conversations, we were asked to speak out on the state of U.S. Pakistan affairs.

Pakistanis also see U.S. efforts to support democracy and fight corruption as interference in their affairs. They say: “leave the money on the table and we’ll spend it.”

When a State Department diplomat spoke up, she reminded us of one fact that seemed to be reluctantly accepted by nearly all of us. Regardless of the ups and downs ... both sides need each other and we must remain engaged.

As the State Department official said – we must remain engaged with Pakistan. We must not let the bad guys win. And even if we bear the unbearable burden of losing our soldiers to this terror movement sheltering in Pakistan’s hinterland, let us recall that the Japanese and the Germans and the Vietnamese killed our people too. But that today we are friends.

[CRamS]

Oh, them good ol' times, that the Pakis and the Amrikees long for.

And do note the idiot State Department fool, talking so insouciantly about American deaths, as if she was talking about extinguished wax candles during the holiday season.

Commentary: Will Pakistan and America divorce?
By BEN BARBER

Boy this would make even an Indian WKK look hawkish

As the State Department official said – we must remain engaged with Pakistan. We must not let the bad guys win. And even if we bear the unbearable burden of losing our soldiers to this terror movement sheltering in Pakistan’s hinterland, let us recall that the Japanese and the Germans and the Vietnamese killed our people too. But that today we are friends.

Comparing the poor Vietnamese with the Paki dogs is the ultimate insult to mankind's intelligence. The Vietnamese were invaded and carpet bombed by US, and the Vietnamese valiantly resisted. Paki dogs use terror as an instrument of state policy, and are killing American troops because America won't force India to hand over Kashmir to TSP. The contrast between TSP and Vietnamese is as sharp as the contrast between unadulterated evil and good.

[Dipanker]

Can anyone enlighten me about the Paki planes downing Israeli fighter planes in some gulf war , that the pakis seem to boast about on the TV shows frequently. Mostly it is zahil and his team of rabid poaks who make this claim so I would like some history lesson on this.

You could look up Wikipedia but that page is likely written by a Paki and requires sanitization.

[member_23629]

Comparing the poor Vietnamese with the Paki dogs is the ultimate insult to mankind's intelligence. The Vietnamese were invaded and carpet bombed by US, and the Vietnamese valiantly resisted. Paki dogs use terror as an instrument of state policy, and are killing American troops because America won't force India to hand over Kashmir to TSP. The contrast between TSP and Vietnamese is as sharp as the contrast between unadulterated evil and good.

The Yanks and Pakees deserve each other. What goes our father?

American engagement with Pakees (where the Americans kill Pakees while Pakees drain American treasury) is good news for us. Both these countries don't want to see India prosper and both are driven by monotheistic hatred of polytheists. Let them both suffer.

[Vayutuvan]

US relationship with the harlot is a marriage

Pakistan: The former Pakistani Ambassador to the United States said Pakistan and the US should "divorce", in an address to a US "think tank." Ambassador Hussain Haqqani justified his recommendation that relations should be downgraded, in part, on the basis of a Pew Research Center survey in June that found that 75% of Pakistanis polled consider the US to be an enemy of Pakistan.

According to the account in The News, Haqqani said it was just as unrealistic for Pakistanis to think that the United States would side with Pakistan by launching war on India as it was for the United States to think Pakistan would give up its nuclear weapons or sever ties with extremists. He said, "Equally unrealistic is that Pakistan ... will give up support for jihadi groups that it deems to be a subconventional (sic) force multiplier for regional influence."

Haqqani described himself as a member of a small minority of Pakistanis who favor strong ties to the US.

Comment: In NightWatch's experience, the Pew Center survey significantly understates the extent and depth of Pakistani hostility towards the United States. The implications of the survey are far reaching. They mean that any Pakistani government that cooperates with the US is acting against the will of an overwhelming majority of Pakistani voters.

The only way that is possible is because the Pakistan Army wields power over national security policy and the civilian government does what it is told. The Army needs US military assistance to maintain the fantasy that it defends Pakistan from India, although everyone with sense knows the last thing India wants is more Muslims and tribal minorities.

In fact, the Pakistan Army generals need US military assistance to maintain the Army's control of Pakistani national security policy. Haqqani's address exposes that Pakistani national security policy serves no strategic US interests and will not change. What he also might have said is that US involvement in South Asia in the past decade has strengthened Pakistani ties to China.

[Anujan]

People talk about a "liberal enlightened" elitist Pakis who are "moderate" and "pro US". This photo from TFT should lay that to rest.



Going by their sunglasses and clothes, obviously the motoromas there are rich. And express full throaty support to OBL and the Army.

The article is good in other ways.

He {Ashphuck} said that violence sprang from the absolutism (hatmi) of religious exegesis which is intolerant of other Muslims' interpretation of the same faith. He said no Muslim had the right of absolutist interpretation of Islam which was a creed of universal application.

So you have an Army jernail clarifying which shade of green is pure or if there is a pure shade of green at all! So apart from his commander duties, he also run the foreign policy, domestic politics and now additional mullah-giri responsibilities. Soon he will be in charge of moon sightings too!

He shoulders such diverse and important responsibilities. His pay should be doubled.