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What if the military exercise was announced without trump's knowledge, major egg in face for him courtesy of deep state?ramana wrote:It's possible U.S. has its own Kalidasas who don't want this Korean peace. Holding military exercises while on glide path to summit is quite provocative.
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#JUSTIN | VK Singh, minister of state for external affairs, meets the leadership of North Korea in Pyongyang today
g.sarkar wrote:US press says that these military exercises are annual and regularly held, and should not be stopped even before a summit or an agreement has been reached. Every such items need to be bargained for and not removed in advance. The fact is NK is a master of such games and has always come out a winner. DT and Bolton are new to this game. Most of the old Washington hands in NK affairs are gone, not that they were much better at this game.
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Criticizing Washington’s demands for unilateral concessions and unconditional “nuclear abandonment,” North Korea’s first vice minister of foreign affairs Kim Kye-gwan recalled the eventual fate of Libya and said such negotiations style is unacceptable for Pyongyang.
“This is not an attempt to solve the problem through dialogue but rather the manifestation ...to force the destiny of the collapsed Libya and Iraq to our dignified state,” Kim said, according to KCNA.
I doubt whether the United States really wants sound dialogue and negotiation,” Kim added, again noting that “the world is so well aware that our country is not Libya or Iraq.”
Korea Summit Press Pool/North Korea cancels talks with South, threatens to call off US talks over military drills Denouncing the ongoing “sanctions pressure offensive” against the North, he accused Washington of misrepresenting North Korea’s “generosity and bold measures as an expression of weakness.”
Austin wrote:US demanded N. Korea ship ‘some’ nukes & missiles abroad within 6 months – Asahi
https://www.rt.com/news/426958-korea-nu ... s-demands/
I wonder. First, since the nukes are Chinese, this is a reasonable demand. Secondly, I think it is already done: the special slow-moving armored train from PY to Beijing.ramana wrote:Sure fire way to derail the process. This has to be part of a step by step process towards the de-escalation. Removing from sanctions is hardly an incentive for NoKo which has 95% trade with China! An incentive has to be valuable for trading the nukes.Austin wrote:US demanded N. Korea ship ‘some’ nukes & missiles abroad within 6 months – Asahi
What substantive step has been taken by NoKo except for smoke & mirrors? How does any of these remove the US' legitimate fear of a sneak attack on a city? So DT is doing exactly what one would do if one really wants to achieve a negotiated de-escalation towards real peace and stability.I luv u, u luv me,
V'r a glowing familee!
He's flying there, on a Soviet era plane.abhik wrote:How is Kim jong un going to get to Singapore? No rail line to take no? Else If summit does no good well he can be Malaysia Airline'd while returning, with simultaneous coup back home.
meeting cancelled yet Noko blows up N test site: two things don't go hand in hand.ramana wrote:Trump calls off 12 June summit.
Earlier Kim blew up the tunnel entrances to close down test site.
Look at big picture.IndraD wrote:meeting cancelled yet Noko blows up N test site: two things don't go hand in hand.ramana wrote:Trump calls off 12 June summit.
Earlier Kim blew up the tunnel entrances to close down test site.
chola wrote:Kim hesitated on meeting first. I think he was scared that Trump is crazy and erratic enough that he’ll personally tackle and arrest the little fat Korean in Singapore.
Not defacto CTBT. It's more like the unilateral moratorium that ABV & co. declared... in theory can be rescinded at any time and a new test site utilized. In practice, NoKo is perceived by the international community to be far more capable of rescinding than India.ramana wrote:
NoKo is capped at test site. No more testing. Kind of defacto CTBT.
South Korea was at a loss for words Thursday after President Donald Trump’s announcement that he was scrapping next month’s planned nuclear summit with North Korea.“We are attempting to make sense of what, precisely, President Trump means,” South Korean presidential spokesman Kim Eui-kyeom said in a statement.South Korean President Moon Jae-In urged both Trump and Kim to hold direct talks, South Korea’s Yonhap News Agency reported. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, testifying on Capitol Hill, wouldn’t comment on whether Trump’s letter blindsided the South Koreans.The summit’s fate was thrown into question after North Korea backed away from the Trump administration’s demands to fully denuclearize. Trump then appeared to soften the demand, hinting first that he was flexible, but then saying there would be no meeting without full denuclearization. Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton and Vice President Mike Pence sparked further North Korean outrage with comments comparing North Korea with Libya.Just hours before Trump pulled the trigger to cancel the meeting, North Korean officials called Pence a “political dummy” and threatened to pull out of the summit themselves.
Ramanaji,ramana wrote:Trump calls off 12 June summit.
Earlier Kim blew up the tunnel entrances to close down test site.
The best overview of this history of this period is University of Chicago’s Distinguished Service Professor and Dept Chair, historian Bruce Cumming’s The Korean War: A History. I will summarize it, but reading the short 250 page book is highly recommended. Korea was a land with a long history of autonomy and a vibrant culture. When Japan colonized it in 1910 it was blessed by the US. Teddy Roosevelt thought they would “modernize” what was a feudal system, but one with a separate language, culture and distinct political structures. Japan imposed its rule, destroyed existing institutions and even tried to eradicate the native language. All of this led to feelings of hatred of the Japanese and those Koreans who allied with them---predominantly the existing elites.
When Japan lost its colonies after defeat in World War II, the US became the occupying power in the southern part of Korea. Kim Il-sung, a Korean Communist, living in the north, was a leading guerilla fighter against the Japanese and he as well as Koreans throughout the entire country fully expected Korea would be turned over to Koreans and those who had collaborated during the war and before with Japan would be punished, or at least removed from power. He was not a puppet of Moscow or Mao. Not of Ho Chi Minh’s stature, but highly respected. Instead, the US brought in a US-based “leader” of Korean ancestry, who had been in exile for years, Syngman Rhee, to lead a new country called South Korea. Korea was “divided” by the US occupiers, arbitrarily using the 38th parallel as the demarcation point, a line rejected by Koreans of all stripes. Moreover, Rhee, an autocrat, relied upon a leadership team composed entirely of those who were collaborators with the Japanese. When resistance developed in the area governed by Rhee and his henchman, extreme brutality was used to repress it. Sounds like Vietnam, right? Diem was the Vietnamese version of Rhee.
Eventually, the Korean War started. The northerners had wanted to unify what had always been one country. The southern leadership wanted to re-unify as well. The US was content to leave the country divided—as in Vietnam a decade later when French colonialism ended and we became the new external power. The north probably “invaded” the southern region of what was always one country, but it’s immaterial and some think it was the other way around. Rhee and Kim Il-sung both wanted a war to re-unify on their terms.
The Korean War was as brutal as a civil war could be and atrocities were committed by both sides, though Cummings estimates the south was significantly more likely to slaughter civilians, perhaps 100,000 to the North’s 30,000 victims. What about the US, especially after it entered the war at a point where the southern regime was nearly defeated? Rhee’s soldiers lacked the morale of those of the north, because the regime was considered illegitimate. Again, just like in Vietnam. The US had to save the day.
Turns out the US dropped more bomb tonnage during the three years of the war than we did against Japan during WWII and the widespread use of incendiary bombs destroyed between 40 and 90 percent of every city in the country. We also bombed dams which flooded railways, rice fields and highways. Napalm, as it happens, was first used in Korea, with more than 30,000 tons dropped. There were mega-Korean versions of My Lai as well---the infamous Taejon Massacre of 4,000 prisoners by South Korean troops with US ones standing by; Nogun, where American GIs slaughtered hundreds of civilians under a bridge and blamed it on the North.
The South Korean governments after the 1953 Armistice have continued to be populated by Japanese collaborators and perpetrators of atrocities during the Korean War or the children of those responsible who fully embraced their parents’ actions. The recently deposed President of South Korea is the daughter of Chung Hee Park, the brutal dictator of South Korea from the end of the Rhee regime—he had to flee the country again after riots in 1960---until his 1979 assassination by a North Korean sympathizer. Park had proudly fought for the Japanese Emperor in Manchukuo in WWII. At the same time, Park did have talks with Kim Il-Sung about a future peaceful unification of Korea, which were actively discouraged by the US. In fact, talks between leaders of both Koreas regarding peaceful re-unification have periodically been undertaken, though all failed.
SEOUL - South Korean President Moon Jae In could make a trip to Singapore for a three-way summit with his US and North Korean counterparts next month, depending on the outcome of ongoing discussions between Washington and Pyongyang, Yonhap News Agency quoted a South Korean government official as saying on Monday (May 28).
The trip, if made, would likely be made around June 12 when US President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un are scheduled to meet for the first time, the official from Seoul's presidential office, the Blue House, said.
"The discussions are just getting started, so we are still waiting to see how they come out, but depending on their outcome, the president could join President Trump and Chairman Kim in Singapore," the official told Yonhap, speaking on condition of anonymity.
A three-way summit was originally proposed by Moon and the North Korean leader when they held their first-ever meeting at the border village of Panmunjom on April 27.
Moon again expressed hope to hold such a meeting on Sunday, one day after he held his second meeting with Kim.
"Should the North Korea-US summit succeed, I would like to see efforts to formally end the (Korean) war through a three-way summit of the South, the North and the US," he told a press briefing.
The Presidential Blue House earlier said the South Korean Government was already studying the possibility of a three-way summit following a successful US-North Korea meeting but that nothing had been decided or even discussed between the countries.
The official speaking to Yonhap noted a three-way summit in Singapore would largely depend on the outcome of ongoing pre-summit talks between the United States and North Korea, suggesting Moon's Singapore trip will likely be decided before the US-North Korea summit even begins.
The three-way summit, if held, will likely be aimed at providing a security guarantee for North Korea in exchange for its denuclearisation, Yonhap said.
Separately, Moon said on Monday there could be more impromptu talks with North Korea including summits between pre-arranged dialogue, Reuters quoted him as saying.
"What's more important than anything from the latest inter-Korean summit was that the leaders easily got in contact, easily made an appointment and easily met to discuss urgent matters, without complicated procedures and formalities, just like a casual meeting," Moon told a meeting with senior secretaries.
"If we could hold working-level, back-to-back talks on both sides of Panmunjom if urgently necessary in addition to formal summits, it would expedite faster advancement of inter-Korean relations."
BEIJING - A senior North Korean official arrived in Beijing on Monday (May 28), apparently on his way to Singapore for preparatory talks leading up to a potential summit between North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and US President Donald Trump.
The official is said to be leading the country's delegation to discuss the logistics and security issues associated with the summit, sources told Yonhap News Agency.
Yonhap initially said the official is Mr Ri Son Gwon, chief of the North's agency handling inter-Korea affairs, but later amended its report to say it was unable to confirm the official's identity.
The news agency also tweeted a photo of a North Korean embassy vehicle leaving Beijing's airport.
A US team lead by White House deputy chief of staff for operations Joe Hagin is also reportedly bound for Singapore for summit-related discussions with the North Korean team.