Geopolitics/Geoeconomics Thread - June 2015

kit · Post by **kit** » 29 Sep 2022 18:36

Geopolitics fully described in a single image.

source is in Japanese though

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 30 Sep 2022 11:41

"Is Russia afraid of disappearing?" was the question asked in the weekly Le Point by Bruno Tertrais, the scholar author of the book Le choc démographique and vice-president of the Foundation for Strategic Research in Paris. "Behind the conflict over Ukraine loom Russian demographic anxieties about the increase in Muslim immigration".

Naah Putin just added 10M people to Russia along with land the size of Austria.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 30 Sep 2022 17:34

^ I remember Philip sir in one military thread had put a thought of hundreds of thousands of Indians being allowed to immigrate to Russia, to help them fight china

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Sep 2022 23:40

The Challenge of Grand Strategy: The Great Powers and the Broken Balance between the World Wars
Edited by Jeffrey W. Taliaferro, Norrin M. Ripsman, Steven E. Lobel

The years between the world wars represent an era of broken balances: the retreat of the United States from global geopolitics, the weakening of Great Britain and France, Russian isolation following the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, the resurgence of German power in Europe, and the rise of Japan in East Asia. All these factors complicated great-power politics. This book brings together historians and political scientists to revisit the conventional wisdom on the grand strategies pursued between the World Wars, drawing on theoretical innovations and new primary sources. The contributors suggest that all the great powers pursued policies that, while in retrospect suboptimal, represented conscious, rational attempts to secure their national interests under conditions of extreme uncertainty and intense domestic and international political, economic, and strategic constraints.

We see a similar situation now in the 2020 decade:
- US financially hurt
- UK Brexit weakens EU
- Revival of Russia
- Rise of China
- Economic strong Germany but dependent on Russian energy
- Weakened NATO and Russian forces
- Weak US Presidents like Hoover and now Biden
All pursue rational strategies to better one another using Machiavelli's template.

Truly in the West history repeats as a farce!
The same farce was from the 1820s to 1920 end of the Napoleonic Wars to WWI.

khatvaanga · Post by **khatvaanga** » 01 Oct 2022 02:01

Putin's speech today was an exposition on most of our issues with West... following are some quotes from it.

The West uses the power of finance and technology to enforce its will on other nations. To this end the West destabilises countries, creates terrorist enclaves and most of all seeks to deprive other countries of sovereignty.

snip

The rules-based order the West goes on about is "nonsense". Who made these rules? Who agreed to them? Russia is an ancient country and civilization and we will not play by these "rigged" rules.

emphasis mine. Putin is identifying Russia with it's ancient civilization instead of being one of xian country. i think.

snip

They colonised, started the global slave trade, genocided native Americans, pillaged India and Africa, forced China to buy opium through war.

snip

They flattened German cities without "any military need to do so". There was no need for this except to scare us and the rest of the world. Korea, Vietnam. To this day they "occupy" Japan, South Korea and Germany and other countries while cynically calling them "allies".

snip

They solved the problems at the start of 20c with WW1 and the US established dominance of the world via the dollar as a result of WW2.

snip

A multipolar world offers nations freedom to develop as they wish and they make up the majority of the world.

all-in-all even though West will call him hypocrite and ask him to look in a mirror, this speech will have massive resonance in every country that was colonized and beyond. He actually called to dismantle the Colonial West more-or-less.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Oct 2022 02:08

Colonial West is in devolution since 1776 American War of Independence.

In 19th century South America freed itself from Portuguese and Spanish colonization.
20th century saw Asia and Africa de-colonized.

Decolonization process was slow to move to rest of the world.

Only thing is the US got the Empire bug after WWII even though it's no cut out for Imperial program.
Ukraine folly might hasten it.

Niall Fergusson states the proposition Is the US is an empire? And thinks so.
However, the two large empires Roman and British were 2000 years apart and power was short-lived.

Han China was powerful but its population at that time could not support the idea for long.
Led to four centuries of instability till Tang.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 01 Oct 2022 06:53

While all these models are correct, I think there is yet a simpler model to understand all of this colonial mumbo zombo (simple, so full of holes, yet maybe the best formula to explain it all) -

The west rise (which is actually England's/UK rise, not west) is because they got India (and not rest of the world, that oly muddy's the water). Why India made the difference - It was 25% of world economy and the biggest population (and still is, since eternity if you add up India+tsp+BD).

In today's context, if we rule over US and China, and have first call on their resources - economical and human, we will be a super duper power. UK had that going for them for over 100 (or 250 years depending on how you count).

We are still the joker in the pack, not that powerful - but yes the delta still that could tilt the balance either way - and in my opinion a bad place to be because we will be coveted - hopefully we have good leadership for the next 20 years to see us through.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 03 Oct 2022 03:54

European banks in trouble?
https://www.forexlive.com/news/there-ar ... -20221002/

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 03 Oct 2022 10:36

vinod wrote:European banks in trouble?
https://www.forexlive.com/news/there-ar ... -20221002/

Nothing will happen. Royal Bank of Scotland was nationalized by the British Government when it went bankrupt. The Swiss and the German governments can bailout their respective national leaders in the banking industry.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 11 Oct 2022 08:38

kit · Post by **kit** » 12 Oct 2022 09:58

ramana wrote:Colonial West is in devolution since 1776 American War of Independence.

In 19th century South America freed itself from Portuguese and Spanish colonization.
20th century saw Asia and Africa de-colonized.

Decolonization process was slow to move to rest of the world.

Only thing is the US got the Empire bug after WWII even though it's no cut out for Imperial program.
Ukraine folly might hasten it.

Niall Fergusson states the proposition Is the US is an empire? And thinks so.
However, the two large empires Roman and British were 2000 years apart and power was short-lived.

Han China was powerful but its population at that time could not support the idea for long.
Led to four centuries of instability till Tang.

US currently wants Russia to do a tactical nuclear strike in Ukraine and it seems the plan is for a full scale NATO strike on Russian troops in uke in retaliation , the gamble being putin won't escalate further, follow on threat being direct attacks on Russia.

Anyone wondered why US was insistent on keeping its embassy in Moscow open ?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 12 Oct 2022 11:20

Pardon old Europe will never put its existance on stake for a lil backrest like Ukraine. We are discovering that US folly is not fun. Antiwar Nd anti NATO protests have just started. Pump station are running on half capacity. Mind you European are used to comfort. Russians are fool to do tactican nuke strike. NATO is just testing Russian response and Russia is not keen on that.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 12 Oct 2022 11:39

Biden to review U.S. ties with Saudi Arabia, White House says

President Biden is kicking off a process of reevaluating, and potentially altering, the U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia following the announcement by a Saudi-led coalition that it would slash oil production, the White House said Tuesday.

That move by OPEC Plus last week to cut its oil output by 2 million barrels a day could boost oil prices in the United States and worldwide, potentially hurting consumers during a tough winter, and its timing a month before the midterm elections was a political blow to Biden that some in the president’s circle saw as a personal shot at the president.

Since then, calls to revisit America’s support for Saudi Arabia have emerged in Congress and elsewhere. Officials said Tuesday that Biden is doing so, but they offered no details on how the relationship might shift or what policies the president is considering.

In an interview on CNN Tuesday, Biden said that “there will be consequences” for Saudi Arabia, but he declined to specify what they might be.

“There’s going to be some consequences for what they’ve done, with Russia,” Biden said, adding, “I’m not going to get into what I’d consider and what I have in mind. But there will be -- there will be consequences.”

Kirby said Biden was open to discussing proposals put forward by Democratic lawmakers, including Sens. Robert Menendez (N.J.), Richard J. Durbin (Ill.) and Chris Murphy (Conn.). Those senators have proposed various changes to the U.S.-Saudi relationship, including limiting security cooperation; reducing arms sales; and removing OPEC Plus’s exemption from U.S. antitrust laws.

U.S. officials have worked to press Saudi Arabia to produce more oil to compensate for the global shortage and price increase caused by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The president personally visited Saudi leaders in Jiddah in July, taking part in a two-hour meeting that included Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the country’s de facto ruler.

“Clearly the Biden administration made an attempt to try to repair the relationship. I supported that effort but it failed,” Murphy said in an interview. “The whole point of looking the other way when it comes to the Saudi war in Yemen and their awful human rights record was to make sure they would pick us in the middle of an international crisis, and instead they chose the Russians.”

“For a long time, Saudi Arabia was a really imperfect ally. Now, there’s a question as to whether they’re an ally at all,” Murphy added.

With last week’s announcement, however, Saudi Arabia appeared to signal a rejection of the overture, at least in part. During the campaign, Biden had promised to make the kingdom a “pariah,” a comment that seemed to deeply anger the crown prince and other Saudi leaders.

The administration, like many before it, has been trying to persuade Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Persian Gulf to invest in a coordinated surface-to-air missile system to fend off any potential attack from Iran. American officials would like such a system to be purchased from the United States, which has tens of thousands of troops in the region, and to be interoperable with its systems.

This month, the State Department approved a $3 billion sale of the National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System to Kuwait — the same system it now plans to send to Ukraine to protect against Russian missile attacks.

But other gulf countries, including Saudi Arabia, have been more reticent about committing to similar purchases, even as they separately have discussed sophisticated arms purchases with Russia and other suppliers.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 12 Oct 2022 13:33

kit wrote: US currently wants Russia to do a tactical nuclear strike in Ukraine and it seems the plan is for a full scale NATO strike on Russian troops in uke in retaliation , the gamble being putin won't escalate further, follow on threat being direct attacks on Russia.

If they are following such fuzzy illogic, they won't ask - if Russia cannot defeat Ukraine and has to resort to tactical nukes, what will it do in response to a full scale NATO attack having used nukes once already ? Will it become even more of a pariah for using them a second time using MIRV ICBMs and hypersonic missiles from subs hiding in any ocean of the world ?

I think this whole nuclear talk by the western leaders and media is total BS to distract from the fact that they are losing massively in Ukraine. No amount of bigger and bigger lies are able to hide this fact on the ground. NATO's equipment reserves have dwindled, they dont have the capacity, skilled people and the money to produce more. Just replenishing what they gave to Ukraine will take years. Their forces and officers have no battle experience. Any call for mobilisation will fail miserably. Their economies are facing disaster. How can they afford a war with a nuclear super power who shows no signs of fatigue after six months ? So much bluster and nonsense they keep spewing !

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Oct 2022 04:53

Please re-read this post by ricky_v

viewtopic.php?p=2555424#p2555424

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Oct 2022 05:09

Cyrano wrote:
kit wrote: US currently wants Russia to do a tactical nuclear strike in Ukraine and it seems the plan is for a full scale NATO strike on Russian troops in uke in retaliation , the gamble being putin won't escalate further, follow on threat being direct attacks on Russia.
If they are following such fuzzy illogic, they won't ask - if Russia cannot defeat Ukraine and has to resort to tactical nukes, what will it do in response to a full scale NATO attack having used nukes once already ? Will it become even more of a pariah for using them a second time using MIRV ICBMs and hypersonic missiles from subs hiding in any ocean of the world ?

I think this whole nuclear talk by the western leaders and media is total BS to distract from the fact that they are losing massively in Ukraine. No amount of bigger and bigger lies are able to hide this fact on the ground. NATO's equipment reserves have dwindled, they dont have the capacity, skilled people and the money to produce more. Just replenishing what they gave to Ukraine will take years. Their forces and officers have no battle experience. Any call for mobilisation will fail miserably. Their economies are facing disaster. How can they afford a war with a nuclear super power who shows no signs of fatigue after six months ? So much bluster and nonsense they keep spewing !

NATO is not as committed as it may have been once upon a time.

The germans and the frenchies are not keen at all, they have all (EU) been through the trump tandoor followed by the biden blender, and without the french, and the germans, there is no NATO.

The trump administration did not fire even a single shot in anger anywhere in the world.

UK may be willing to step up but the public will raise a huge hue and cry which will cause tante truss to pony up a lot of political capital that she does not have.

They are baiting putin, hoping that he reacts harshly. So far, putin has been rather restrained and is using up the older weapon systems, while reserving the cutting edge stuff to take on NATO.

EU NATO doesn't want to fight Putin at all but biden is trying to con them into it if putin gets going.

No one trusts biden or the amerikis anymore because they have revealed their weak hand, their two faced modus operandi and their forked tongue.

After afghanistan and taiwan, and also with all the major oil producers up in arms against the biden gang, no one wants to risk or even see a confrontation of global dimensions, after having just come out of the pandemic and just about starting to catch their industrial and economic breath.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Oct 2022 08:54

France has said they won't participate in any nuke retaliation.
Looks like they realize its an Anglo-Saxon brinkmanship game.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Oct 2022 13:59

looks like the brinkmanship game started by the amerikis may have attracted some heavy hitters.

goose, gander, sauce and all that onlee .....

rail network for gas/oil pipelines.

a shot across biden's bows perhaps, no....

'Malicious and targeted' sabotage halts rail traffic in northern Germany

BERLIN, Oct 8 (Reuters) - Cables vital for the rail network were intentionally cut in two places causing a near three-hour halt to all rail traffic in northern Germany on Saturday morning, in what authorities called an act of sabotage without identifying who might be responsible.

The federal police are investigating the incident, Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said, adding the motive for it was unclear.

The disruption raised alarm bells after NATO and the European Union last month stressed the need to protect critical infrastructure after what they called acts of sabotage on the Nord Stream gas pipelines.

"It is clear that this was a targeted and malicious action," Transport Minister Volker Wissing told a news conference.

A security source said there were a variety of possible causes, ranging from cable theft - which is frequent - to a targeted attack.

Omid Nouripour, leader of the Greens party, which is part of Chancellor Olaf Scholz's federal coalition, said anyone who attacked the country's critical infrastructure would receive a "decisive response".

"Due to sabotage on cables that are indispensable for rail traffic, Deutsche Bahn had to stop rail traffic in the north this morning for nearly three hours," the state rail operator said in a statement.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 13 Oct 2022 14:41

ramana wrote:Please re-read this post by ricky_v

viewtopic.php?p=2555424#p2555424

Ramana garu,
This civilisational history has some specificities even within Europe. The countries and borders have been constantly redrawn. While western Europe with its large coastline and access to seas for commerce, far eastern Europe including Turkey, Russia etc have had access to trade routes, and southern Europe to the mediterranean commerce, the fourth block of central, eastern and northern Europe are land locked or open only to the cul de sac of Baltic and their cold climate deprives them of food security.

While the three commerce and agriculture driven blocks are populous and by religious doctrine often aggressive, the fourth is agressive to defend itself from threats all around.

This has created countries and kingdoms again and again and borders are constantly redrawn. After WW2 Europeans largely disarmed themselves and increased trade within to reduce risk of war. It worked for quite a while, almost 7 decades, but old wounds and historical injustices are embedded in the psyche and culture and a European war is never too far. That's why they keep harping about "respecting territorial integrity" and are loathe to redraw borders.

This fear and military weakness is cleverly exploited by the US by reinforcing enmity with Russia (catholic vs orthodox also helps) and ensuring mostly weak leadership in Europe, and partial usurpation of power by the EU.

I believe this is the root cause of incompetent and directionless conduct of European nations.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Oct 2022 22:28

BREAKING: Saudi Arabia publicly rejects Biden's demands to lower oil price before US elections

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Oct 2022 14:37

This is american power as the world understands it after the demise of USSR, crumbling right in front of the eyes.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 14 Oct 2022 17:00

Dilbu wrote:This is american power as the world understands it after the demise of USSR, crumbling right in front of the eyes.

It isn't crumbling. It is shifting strategy and withdrawing from the world due to technology and devolving of power to regional powers. Similar to what the British did but retains power projection capability.

India will lead an economic and security framework through which it will facilitate tech transfer along with it's psychology (how we view order) into the global south.

Pollock got only one thing right. India was an empire without an empire and we are seeing this slowly come to life again. Many things in India have to happen for this to happen but after some major pain it will happen.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Oct 2022 22:48

Follow the links to understand how the germans were complicit in nuclear proliferation on a global scale.

Their relationship with the pakis goes back many decades.

They would not have dared to do all this without the approval and permission of their ameriki masters

These people are a janus faced culture, this explains their longstanding Hindu phobia as well as Indophobia

https://www.dw.com/en/germans-allegedly ... /a-1108768

https://www.dw.com/en/german-ship-seize ... /a-1075724

https://www.dw.com/en/a-new-turn-in-ger ... s/a-905390

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-scrutinizes-be ... /a-1058231

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Oct 2022 02:07

X-post with my highlights:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... ne-of-them
Saudi Arabia is choosing friends on its own terms and Biden is not one of them
Martin Chulov, Wed 12 Oct 2022
Reactions in Washington to slashing oil supply have not concerned Mohammed bin Salman; nor have the optics of indirectly boosting Putin’s war
Mohammed bin Salman had seen it coming. The groundswell of anger in Washington was clear and building since he helped lead an Opec+ decision to cut the world’s oil supply last week.
But for the first time in the modern era of ties between the US and Saudi Arabia, there was no rush to placate hard feelings, or gloss over a rift. This was the birth of a new realpolitik, where nascent Saudi nationalism paid no heed to a historical ally and instead aligned itself to what Riyadh literally sees as a new world order.
The decision by Opec+ – the oil production cartel led by Saudi Arabia, plus Russia – was the clearest sign yet that relations between Washington and Riyadh have reached a nadir and, perhaps more importantly, that such a situation does not overly concern the de facto Saudi leader. For months before Joe Biden’s July visit to Jeddah and especially in the three months since, Saudi social media was buzzing with talk of a “swagger” shown by Prince Mohammed and, by extension, Saudi Arabia. The 37-year-old heir to the throne had used the time to stake out what a kingdom on his watch would look like and how it would project.
Riyadh would no longer be a Flintstones-like theocracy that eschewed progress and hid behind a US security umbrella, he insisted, but a wealthy middle power in its own right that chose its friends, on its own terms. Biden, who had described the crown prince as a pariah that he would avoid while in office, was not to be one of them.
Oil, the biggest tool in its basket of offerings, was no more to be a prize doled out to friends at mates’ rates, but an instrument to be weaponised – for Saudi interests. The new stances shattered accommodations that had underwritten bilateral relations between the US and Saudi Arabia, in particular an informal pact that had guaranteed the kingdom’s security in return for keeping the oil valves open and – when it mattered – bowser prices low.
Such new positions in isolation would have been uncomfortable enough for a US government that had come to take as a given that Riyadh would have its back when it mattered. But in the context of Russia’s war in Ukraine a new geopolitical dynamic has emerged. In cutting output to keep prices high, Saudi Arabia has allied with Russia and, in doing so, indirectly boosted Vladimir Putin’s war effort, just as the Russian leader was foundering.
Riyadh has countered by saying that the decision to slash output by 2m barrels was purely commercial and suggested it needed an oil price of around $100 to sustain the enormous investments the kingdom has made across Saudi Arabia to fund economic and cultural programs. There is indeed a business case to be made for a higher price per barrel, but Prince Mohammed’s risk/reward ratio has clearly been recalibrated.
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Gautam

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Oct 2022 02:10

chetak wrote:Follow the links to understand how the germans were complicit in nuclear proliferation on a global scale.

Their relationship with the pakis goes back many decades.

They would not have dared to do all this without the approval and permission of their ameriki masters

These people are a janus faced culture, this explains their longstanding Hindu phobia as well as Indophobia

https://www.dw.com/en/germans-allegedly ... /a-1108768

https://www.dw.com/en/german-ship-seize ... /a-1075724

https://www.dw.com/en/a-new-turn-in-ger ... s/a-905390

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-scrutinizes-be ... /a-1058231

I submit that West Germans were retaining the nuclear option via centrifuge technology to Pakistan.
All done under the table with a benign US watch.
Am sure the German BND was getting the Chinese nuke designs as pro quid quo.

We haven't explored what were the Germans getting in return?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Oct 2022 05:03

Although, after Podeta got a job in the WH, Biden allowed the export of some chips to Huawei, now comes this news:

Biden’s chip controls may force Chinese-Americans working in China’s semiconductor firms to choose between their citizenship or their job

11 hours ago, this tweet (part of a thread 23 tweets long):

https://twitter.com/jordanschnyc/status ... 3417233409

Every American executive and engineer working in China’s semiconductor manufacturing industry resigned yesterday, paralyzing Chinese manufacturing overnight.

One round of sanctions from Biden did more damage than all four years of performative sanctioning under Trump.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Oct 2022 09:23

X-posting with my highlights
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-sc ... s-63194942
Scotching the trade deal with India?
Douglas Fraser, 13/10/2022
*Post-Brexit, one of the big prizes in UK trade talks would be a deal with India, and Scotch whisky could benefit most. A deal has been getting close.
*It is now in doubt because of comments by new Home Secretary Suella Braverman. Saying that Indians are over-staying their work permits strikes at the biggest gain that Delhi wants to see, and has caused offence.
Glenkinchie in East Lothian: the go-to Scotch whisky distillery for new secretaries of state for international trade who don't have time to visit Speyside or Islay.
With a new visitor centre as part of the Johnnie Walker branding, it offers nice media pictures with the copper stills, representing one of Scotland's and Britain's most successful exports.
Kemi Badenoch visited on Thursday, highlighting her department's gains from breaking through logjams in access to alcohol markets.
Welcome though it is for distillers to reduce tariffs and other barriers in Tunisia, Morocco, Argentina or Angola, the big prize for the industry is India - the world's biggest whisky-drinking market.
It has a 150% tariff on imports of Scotch, and bringing that down has been a key ask of New Delhi's trade negotiators from European trade commissioners and now, post-Brexit UK trade secretaries.
Their efforts haven't dented that tariff yet. India's domestic distillers like that level of tariff protection, though the biggest one, Diageo, also happens to be the company with most to gain from opening up the market for Scotch.
Understandably in any trade negotiations, India wants gains in return. Its big ask has been for easier access to the UK for Indians, with skills they can deploy in IT and far beyond, either with work permits or for intra-company transfers.
In a rush to ink trade deals and show that post-Brexit trade negotiations can deliver results, last April prime ministers Boris Johnson and Narendra Modi set a target deadline of the Diwali holiday, which is later this month, for an outline Free Trade Agreement (FTA). (To Hindus, this biggest festival of the year is to honour Lakshmi, the goddess of wealth and prosperity.)
That was an ambitious target. India is a formidable negotiator on trade. Brussels has found that talks tend to run into obstructions. A lot of people have a foot on the brakes. But the April announcement set the pace for some busy months of talking.
According to observers, there was a real prospect of a Diwali deal. The expectations of how widely the deal will range are being talked down. We're told it might be a work in progress, to which elements could be added. That sounds like a negotiating strategy that only aims for the easy gains, and any fall in the Scotch whisky tariff may turn out to be modest.
Speaking at the Glenkinchie distillery, Ms Badenoch said the Diwali deadline is definitely gone. "We are close," the trade secretary said. "We're still working on a deal. One of the things that has changed is that we are no longer working to the Diwali deadline.
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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Oct 2022 11:40

ramana wrote:
chetak wrote:Follow the links to understand how the germans were complicit in nuclear proliferation on a global scale.

Their relationship with the pakis goes back many decades.

They would not have dared to do all this without the approval and permission of their ameriki masters

These people are a janus faced culture, this explains their longstanding Hindu phobia as well as Indophobia

https://www.dw.com/en/germans-allegedly ... /a-1108768

https://www.dw.com/en/german-ship-seize ... /a-1075724

https://www.dw.com/en/a-new-turn-in-ger ... s/a-905390

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-scrutinizes-be ... /a-1058231
I submit that West Germans were retaining the nuclear option via centrifuge technology to Pakistan.
All done under the table with a benign US watch.
Am sure the German BND was getting the Chinese nuke designs as pro quid quo.

We haven't explored what were the Germans getting in return?

Both germany and japan are just a few screwdriver turns away from becoming full fledged nuclear weapon states.

there is a long standing european cabal (minus the french fries) who have always been thinking of life beyond NATO and therein may lie the crux of the ameriki deep state's UKR gambit.

The germans have been weakened considerably because they did not take the basic de-risking precaution of ensuring a second source for their energy needs and the amerikis waited for them to shutdown the bulk of the nuke resources powering their thus leaving them completely vulnerable because of their almost fatal dependencies on russki energy.

The french fries have already got there. 70% of their grid remains nuke anchored. They have the money and international goodwill to source the remaining 30% beyond their borders

Israel has gone way beyond and many reports suggest that they may already have weaponized and mated, and mating the warhead to manned and unmanned platforms is merely child's play for them

Trump had warned the germans about the risks they ran by depending on russian energy to such a large extent. So why did the germans fail/refuse to see what farsighted Trump saw so many years ago.

Was it the same hubris that sank them twice in the same century.... The germans may have quietened down after WWII but they haven't forgotten. Not many are aware that almost three million germans were genocided after WWII. Other folks have postulated even larger numbers and the amerikis were complicit by acts of omission.
The germans see ameriki occupation in bases like Ramstein AB is part of the Kaiserslautern Military Community (KMC), where more than 54,000 American service members and more than 5,400 US civilian employees live and work.

wiki has sanitized this

During the later stages of World War II and the post-war period, Germans and Volksdeutsche fled and were expelled from various Eastern and Central European countries, including Czechoslovakia and the former German provinces of Silesia, Pomerania, and East Prussia, which were annexed by Poland and the Soviet Union. The idea to expel the Germans from the annexed territories was proposed by Winston Churchill, in conjunction with the Polish and Czechoslovak exile governments in London at least since 1942.[1][2] In late 1944 the Czechoslovak exile government pressed[citation needed] the Allies to espouse the principle of German population transfers. On the other hand, Polish prime minister Tomasz Arciszewski, in an interview for The Sunday Times on 17 December 1944, supported the annexation of Warmia-Masuria, Opole Regency, north-east parts of Lower Silesia (up to the Oder line), and parts of Pomerania (without Szczecin), but he opposed the idea of expulsion. He wanted to naturalize the Germans as Polish citizens and to assimilate them.[3]

Joseph Stalin, in concert with other communist leaders, planned to expel all ethnic Germans from east of the Oder and from lands which from May 1945 fell inside the Soviet occupation zones.[4] In 1941, his government had already transported Germans from Crimea to Central Asia.

Between 1944 and 1948, millions of people, including ethnic Germans (Volksdeutsche) and German citizens (Reichsdeutsche), were permanently or temporarily moved from Central and Eastern Europe. By 1950, a total of approximately 12 million[5] Germans had fled or been expelled from east-central Europe into Allied-occupied Germany and Austria. The West German government put the total at 14.6 million,[6] including a million ethnic Germans who had settled in territories conquered by Nazi Germany during World War II, ethnic German migrants to Germany after 1950, and the children born to expelled parents. The largest numbers came from former eastern territories of Germany ceded to the People's Republic of Poland and the Soviet Union (about seven million),[7][8] and from Czechoslovakia (about three million).

The areas affected included the former eastern territories of Germany, which were annexed by Poland[9] (see Recovered Territories)[10] and the Soviet Union after the war, as well as Germans who were living within the borders of the pre-war Second Polish Republic, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, and the Baltic States. The Nazis had made plans—only partially completed before the Nazi defeat—to remove many Slavic and Jewish people from Eastern Europe and settle the area with Germans.[11][12]

The death toll attributable to the flight and expulsions is disputed, with estimates ranging from 500,000–600,000[13][14] and up to 2 to 2.5 million

the so called "flight and expulsions" were hate filled and wholesale butchery, like what the pakis did to the Hindus and sikhs in punjab

So, the germans have reasons enough to rearm and regain their place in the sun. It irks germany and japan that India has a home grown and successful nuke program and yesterdays submarine launched ballistic missile test would have irked them even more.

The german attempt to break away from the ameriki fold and renounce their house negro status has caused the deep state to strike. They are trying to take out putin enpassant.

BTW, vast tranches of grain producing UKR farmland are either ameriki owned or ameriki leased. The saudis too have a big stake in such private farming ventures. So grain shipments have badly affected companies like Monsanto, Adecoagro, Bayer CropScience, AgReliant Genetics, Corteva, Farmer's Business Network, The Mosaic Company, Agrium, Syngenta, Dow and DuPont..

Is it any wonder that grain shipments out of UKR are so much in the woke press, blaming Putin for all the evils

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 16 Oct 2022 19:03

US resolution terms Pakistan army's act in 1971 Bangladesh war as 'genocide'

For the first time after several years of sustained efforts, a resolution has been tabled in the US House of Representatives declaring Pakistan Army's action against Bengalis and Hindus in 1971 during the Liberation War of Bangladesh as a "genocide" and "crime against humanity". Sustained efforts were made in the last few years after which the first resolution has been introduced which has called on the Pakistan government to apologise to the people of Bangladesh for its role in such a genocide, United News Bangladesh reported.

The legislation was introduced by two Congressmen Ro Khanna, and Steve Chabot, who recognized that such atrocities against ethnic Bengalis and Hindus constitute crimes against humanity, war crimes, and genocide.

Congressman Chabot said legislation looks to recognize that the mass atrocities committed against Bengalis and Hindus, in particular, were indeed a genocide.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 16 Oct 2022 20:46

Interesting that Ro Khanna is part of paxi cauccoos.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Oct 2022 17:26

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Oct 2022 21:56

Still maximal accomdationist!
Jasishanker yesterday:
"Relationship on 3 mutuals:-

Mutual respect
Mutual sensitivity &
Mutual interest"

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Oct 2022 08:33

Dr Nicola Leveringhaus on Economic aspects of strategic stability between US and China.

https://www.nupi.no/en/content/download ... &version=2

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 20 Oct 2022 15:34

Dilbu wrote:US resolution terms Pakistan army's act in 1971 Bangladesh war as 'genocide'
For the first time after several years of sustained efforts, a resolution has been tabled in the US House of Representatives declaring Pakistan Army's action against Bengalis and Hindus in 1971 during the Liberation War of Bangladesh as a "genocide" and "crime against humanity". Sustained efforts were made in the last few years after which the first resolution has been introduced which has called on the Pakistan government to apologise to the people of Bangladesh for its role in such a genocide, United News Bangladesh reported.

The legislation was introduced by two Congressmen Ro Khanna, and Steve Chabot, who recognized that such atrocities against ethnic Bengalis and Hindus constitute crimes against humanity, war crimes, and genocide.

Congressman Chabot said legislation looks to recognize that the mass atrocities committed against Bengalis and Hindus, in particular, were indeed a genocide.

Should the United States therefore not apologize for coming to the military aid of pakistan while it was carrying out a genocide ????

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Oct 2022 06:16

War by Other Means: Geoeconomics and Statecraft Paperback – October 23, 2017
by Ambassador Robert D. Blackwill (Author), Jennifer M. Harris (Author)

Today, nations increasingly carry out geopolitical combat through economic means. Policies governing everything from trade and investment to energy and exchange rates are wielded as tools to win diplomatic allies, punish adversaries, and coerce those in between. Not so in the United States, however. America still too often reaches for the gun over the purse to advance its interests abroad. The result is a playing field sharply tilting against the United States.

“Geoeconomics, the use of economic instruments to advance foreign policy goals, has long been a staple of great-power politics. In this impressive policy manifesto, Blackwill and Harris argue that in recent decades, the United States has tended to neglect this form of statecraft, while China, Russia, and other illiberal states have increasingly employed it to Washington’s disadvantage.”
―G. John Ikenberry, Foreign Affairs

“A readable and lucid primer…The book defines the extensive topic and opens readers’ eyes to its prevalence throughout history…[Presidential] candidates who care more about protecting American interests would be wise to heed the advice of War by Other Means and take our geoeconomic toolkit more seriously.
―Jordan Schneider, Weekly Standard

Seems like a joke as US has been waving sanctions like a magic danda!

kit · Post by **kit** » 27 Oct 2022 11:02

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 098901.cms

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Oct 2022 00:27

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Nov 2022 02:30

looks like India's independent stand has put some lead in japan's pencil. She is also bucking the US now

Japan gov't decides to retain stake in new Sakhalin-1 operator

TOKYO, Nov 1 (Reuters) - Japan has decided to retain its stake in the new Russian operator of the Sakhalin-1 oil and gas project and has asked Japanese consortium members to stay to ensure the country's energy security, the industry minister said on Tuesday.

"The Sakhalin-1 is extremely important for Japan's energy security as it is a valuable source outside of the Middle East," industry minister Yasutoshi Nishimura told a news conference, citing that Japan was highly dependent on Middle East crude oil

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 03 Nov 2022 11:47

A lot of countries simply went along with the US narrative that Russia with its rusted army has no chance in front of NATO's freshly minted Ukry boys, and that its moth eaten economy will simply disintegrate under the shock n awe of sanctions, that ruble will be rubble etc, and imagined a badly mauled bear to retreat back into its den in 3 months max, lick it's wounds through summer and go back to sulky hibernation in winter. Including Japan. Tsk tsk...

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Nov 2022 12:35

Cyrano wrote:A lot of countries simply went along with the US narrative that Russia with its rusted army has no chance in front of NATO's freshly minted Ukry boys, and that its moth eaten economy will simply disintegrate under the shock n awe of sanctions, that ruble will be rubble etc, and imagined a badly mauled bear to retreat back into its den in 3 months max, lick it's wounds through summer and go back to sulky hibernation in winter. Including Japan. Tsk tsk...

many countries are only just beginning to understand India's position of "supreme national interest"

The days of being the ameriki's boy toy ended when biden abandoned afghanistan, and (inadvertently or otherwise) condemning countries like India and the CARs to face jehadi threats and the consequences of the rise of evil entities like islamic state of khorasan province (ISKP), the islamic state's (ISIS) affiliate in afghanistan.

The easter blasts in SL was the handiwork of some of these entities as was the planning, logistics and execution of the coimbatore blasts.

some months ago....

islamic state khorasan province, the afghan affiliate of ISIS, had called for attacks in India, mainly on BJP over prophet insult.

The group's mouthpiece voice of khurasan magazine featured an article inciting attacks in India.

The magazine had Prime Minister Narendra Modi on its cover and the article called for attacks on BJP, Hindus and other targets in India.

Most of the local jehadi heroes, reportedly from KER and MAH, have mostly joined the ISKP and many attacks on Indian assets in afghanistan are carried out by them and their affiliated groups

Of course, the paki ISI/pakjabi army is active too but the ISKP may not be entirely in their control.