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surinder wrote:

Purush wrote: EDIT: The Vietnamese people I've met here are among the smartest and most hardworking people I've seen. In the long term once their economic problems are fixed and standard of living is raised, I predict that VN and not Indon/Thai/SG/MY will become the ASEAN regional power. After all, they defeated 3 'superpowers' in the span of 30 years and never gave up fighting for their homeland even under much worse conditions. They are survivors, and good ones at that. It will do immense good for India to have VN as a solid, reliable ally in ASEAN.

Spot on.

Vietnamese have that wierd boldness and courage about them in daily work that only geniunce warriors carry. This usually translates to economic success pretty easily. This is a country to watch out for.

The most hated countries in China are Korea and Japan; the most hated countries in Japan, Korea and China; and the most hated countries in Korea, Japan and China.

As another friend on this forum has claimed, Vietnam is the only country in Southeast Asia where Chinese cultural influence is heavier than the Indian influence, traditionally.

wrdos wrote:As a Chinese, I think I just get too much welcoming kindness in Vietnam. And on every Vietnamese TV channel, Chinese TV dramas are more than half. The local people have similar faces, albeit a little bit darker, eat similar food, albeit a little bit spicier, and speak similar languages with 70% of their vocabulary was from Chinese originally.

anonamese
Warning : To all chinese people worldwide,especially the MAINLANDERS. Chinese people/tourists are not welcome in Vietnam or in our Pho restaurants. If you despise my advice and do it anyways make sure you speak english or vietnamese. The consequences for speaking chinese; you will get your asses kick by the people in Vietnam and our chefs will spit in your foods. My advice is stick with your egg noodle soup and eat your dim sum. Leave our pho, spring rolls, PARACEL & SPRATLY islands alone!

Raghavendra wrote:

wrdos wrote:As a Chinese, I think I just get too much welcoming kindness in Vietnam. And on every Vietnamese TV channel, Chinese TV dramas are more than half. The local people have similar faces, albeit a little bit darker, eat similar food, albeit a little bit spicier, and speak similar languages with 70% of their vocabulary was from Chinese originally.

But but but Vietnamese views are dissimilar

anonamese
Warning : To all chinese people worldwide,especially the MAINLANDERS. Chinese people/tourists are not welcome in Vietnam or in our Pho restaurants. If you despise my advice and do it anyways make sure you speak english or vietnamese. The consequences for speaking chinese; you will get your asses kick by the people in Vietnam and our chefs will spit in your foods. My advice is stick with your egg noodle soup and eat your dim sum. Leave our pho, spring rolls, PARACEL & SPRATLY islands alone!

http://www.youtube.com/user/chinkratfor ... 720C17F4A7

As some chanted "Wipe out the Japanese devils!" and stamped on Japanese flags, China's Foreign Ministry called for calm.

Ever-present anti-Japanese sentiment in China has been inflamed in recent weeks by Japan's arrest of a Chinese captain after his fishing boat collided with two Japanese coast guard vessels in waters near an island group claimed by both Tokyo and Beijing. Japan has returned the boat and its crew but holds the captain. China has demanded his release.

Karan Dixit wrote:^^ Wow! The length Chinese will go to keep their neck straight.

According to many analysts, China's military which, unlike most military organisations, also shapes (its) foreign policy, has begun to exert an increasing influence over policy decisions. Yet, Indian officials say they have few avenues to engage with the PLA, and warn that a lack of understanding over the PLA's strategic intentions has become an increasing source of mistrust in the relationship.

Indian officials say that while there is a need for broader and more regular engagement with the PLA on foreign policy issues, their efforts to expand contact had, so far, “come up against a brick wall.” At present, India's only regular access to the PLA is through the defence attaché in the Embassy in Beijing, who acts as a conduit between New Delhi and the PLA.

The PLA is unlike any other military organisation. It is not apolitical – it has an influential political department that also comes up with policies, though is secretive about its functions. It also exists outside the purview of the government, serving the Communist Party and not the State.

Often, the PLA's policy considerations contradict those of the government. For instance, while the government may see benefits in engaging with India on climate change and trade, for the PLA, the border dispute will always be a primary consideration, as protecting China's sovereignty and territorial integrity is its top priority. Hence, even if ties are warming up in other areas, the PLA would still put forward a policy recommendation, such as refusing a visa to a visiting General, to push its own interests. In recent months, analysts say, the PLA's considerations have begun to increasingly influence China's foreign policy, whether towards the United States, its Southeast Asian neighbours across the South China Sea, or India.

The Chinese and Indian economies often elicit breathless admiration from commentators. In fact, domestic deficiencies and regional tensions mean that the rise of China and India is hardly assured.

Cosmo_R wrote:The PRC is stoking the fire:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11363024

China suspends top-level exchanges with Japan in protest at a ship captain's detention near disputed islands, marking a fresh deterioration of ties.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11340220

"China 'moves drilling equipment' into disputed waters
The Chinese fishing vessel being led into a Japanese port 8 September 2010 Tensions have been strained over the arrest of the captain of a Chinese trawler in disputed waters

Japan says China has shipped drilling equipment to a disputed gas field in the East China Sea, fuelling diplomatic tensions between the Asian giants."

If the recent events don't wake the Japanese and SKoreans into a new security paradigm including India, nothing will. It's also a powerful incentive for us to really focus on the strategic threat posed by the PRC.

We have to shake off the suspicion of being played and realize that it is not something engineered by the US for its own purposes.

GOI really has to think boldly and lead the way in forging this new South/East/North Asian security architecture. Military interoperability and joint logistics capability not just babu-talk

DavidD wrote: And don't kid yourself about the GOI leading some sort of coalition against China, it can't even lead Sri Lanka or Nepal and now you expect it to reach out to Japan?

SSridhar wrote:India to engage Chinese military as influence expands
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According to many analysts, China's military which, unlike most military organisations, also shapes (its) foreign policy, has begun to exert an increasing influence over policy decisions. Yet, Indian officials say they have few avenues to engage with the PLA, and warn that a lack of understanding over the PLA's strategic intentions has become an increasing source of mistrust in the relationship.

Indian officials say that while there is a need for broader and more regular engagement with the PLA on foreign policy issues, their efforts to expand contact had, so far, “come up against a brick wall.” At present, India's only regular access to the PLA is through the defence attaché in the Embassy in Beijing, who acts as a conduit between New Delhi and the PLA.

The PLA is unlike any other military organisation. It is not apolitical – it has an influential political department that also comes up with policies, though is secretive about its functions. It also exists outside the purview of the government, serving the Communist Party and not the State.

Often, the PLA's policy considerations contradict those of the government. For instance, while the government may see benefits in engaging with India on climate change and trade, for the PLA, the border dispute will always be a primary consideration, as protecting China's sovereignty and territorial integrity is its top priority. Hence, even if ties are warming up in other areas, the PLA would still put forward a policy recommendation, such as refusing a visa to a visiting General, to push its own interests. In recent months, analysts say, the PLA's considerations have begun to increasingly influence China's foreign policy, whether towards the United States, its Southeast Asian neighbours across the South China Sea, or India.

GoI or Indian think tanks should not give the above as an excuse to send somebody else in the place of Lt. Gen. Jaswal.

At the Association of Southeast Asian Nations Regional Forum meeting in July, Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi's jaw-dropping lecture to Asian ministers -- and the U.S. secretary of state -- that other countries were obstreperous to contest China's unilateral claim to international waters and island chains in the South China Sea still rankles with leaders who were present. Particularly galling, according to the foreign minister of one major power at the meeting, was Foreign Minister Yang's reminder that Southeast Asian states were "small countries" who depended on trade with China for their prosperity, while China was a "large country." There was therefore little chance of equality in their relations, Yang suggested. China's neighbors simply would have to take that asymmetry -- and, he added pointedly, their economic dependence on the China market -- into account before "internationalizing" their dispute with Beijing over competing maritime claims.

sanjaykumar wrote:
India needs to batten the hatches and ride out China's defiance. India should be aware that the economic disparity is never again likely to be as great as it is now-call China's bluff.

China's State-run nuclear energy firm is in talks to set up a one gigawatt nuclear power plant in Pakistan, officials said on Monday, indicating that China would proceed with its nuclear cooperation with Pakistan regardless of renewed international concerns over non-proliferation.

Qiu Jiangang, vice-president of the China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC), told a meeting in Beijing the State-run firm was in talks to build the plant, which would be its biggest ever operation in Pakistan. “Both sides are in discussions over the CNNC exporting a one GW nuclear plant to Pakistan,” the Reuters news agency quoted him as saying.

While China has not yet sought an exemption from the NSG, leaving the status of the deal unclear, Monday's announcement suggested China was likely to proceed with civilian nuclear engagement with Pakistan on a much larger scale.

Mr. Qiu also confirmed that the CNNC had signed contracts to build the two 300 MW plants, Chashma-3 and Chashma-4.

The CNNC has already agreed to build two reactors, the 325 MW Chashma-1, which started operating in 2000, and Chashma-2, which will be completed next year.

While the Chinese government has, as yet, not confirmed any of the three recent deals, its Foreign Ministry said in a statement in June that China's nuclear cooperation with Pakistan strictly followed the guidelines of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

The government has also stressed that its cooperation was entirely for peaceful purposes.

The Chinese government has not made clear whether it would seek an exemption from the NSG before proceeding with the new deals.

Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari, during a July visit to Beijing, told Chinese President Hu Jintao that it was in China's interest to continue its civilian nuclear engagement, regardless of international concerns, to help Pakistan address its “yawning” gap between power supply and demand and in the interests of regional stability.

The CNNC official's announcement at a seminar on Monday came just as Pakistan's Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Norman Bashir held talks with Chinese Defence Minister Liang Guanglie, and called for the two countries to expand military relations.

Admiral Bashir was in China to mark the completion of construction of three F-22 frigates, which China has built for the Pakistani Navy.

A fourth will be built in Pakistan. He called for Chinese cooperation for the construction of submarines and “bigger warships”, and said the “present geo-political situation” and “the environment around” Pakistan and China demanded “further strengthening” of defence ties.

sanjaykumar wrote:Discretion would normally dictate that one picks battles to win before pursuing other contests. China is engaged in belligerence on several fronts-Japan, Vietnam, ASEAN, India, Taiwan as far afield as Philipines. This when Eastern Turkestan has seen bloodshed and more repression (2009) and Tibet remains a garrison (post 2008 riots). Internal disturbances are being reported in even the China press. Cities are lying empty with others unlivable secondary to pollution of air,water, land and food. City dwellers can't afford apartments, the economy has slowed over two years (trade figures look good due to stockpiling of commodities), the stock market is a casino for which banks continue to lend, property values are a bubble. Its main market is undergoing a recession in every thing but name, where politicians will be forced into protectionism and in fact repatriation of jobs.

This is akin to Japan's lost decade fraught with Mao's Great Leap. It may be that China recognises that it is at an apex in relative strength- it is almost certainly headed for a significant slow down, whilst India, for example, will expand in the coming decade as China itself did from about 1997-2007.It may be trying to leverage the current asymmetry to its long term advantage.

India needs to batten the hatches and ride out China's defiance. India should be aware that the economic disparity is never again likely to be as great as it is now-call China's bluff.

DavidD wrote: And don't kid yourself about the GOI leading some sort of coalition against China, it can't even lead Sri Lanka or Nepal and now you expect it to reach out to Japan?

DavidD wrote: You could've written something similar 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, or 30, about China, about India, or about America...you get my point.

ramana wrote:Add lack of toilets as shown by CWG complaints.

The announcement from China's biggest nuclear power firm that it was in talks to set up a one-gigawatt plant in Pakistan underscores the rising overseas ambitions of China's nuclear power industry, say analysts.

Following an unprecedented expansion since 2005, and with more than 28 power reactors slated to be built in China within the next 10 years, Chinese firms are now increasingly turning to overseas markets.

Pakistan, according to analysts and officials, is serving as a launch pad for the industry's overseas ambitions.

The state-run China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC), which is involved in four nuclear power plant projects – another in the talks stage — in Pakistan, is investing 800 billion yuan ($117.6 billion) to build 10 reactors in China by 2020. The company operates seven of China's 11 running power reactors — which have a combined capacity of 9,100 MW, accounting for one per cent of China's energy needs. Capacity is forecast to reach up to 80,000 MW by 2020, or five per cent of the energy requirements.

Since June, when Ye Qizhen, an analyst with the CNNC, said in a statement the company was “basically ready to export a mega nuclear power plant”, CNNC officials have been pressing Beijing to give it the go-ahead to begin work on a “mega plant” in Pakistan. However, following international concerns after the CNNC's announcement in March that it had signed deals to build two 300 MW reactors in Pakistan, the status of a fifth mega deal was unclear.

The CNNC has, in the past decade, emerged among a group of state-run firms in the energy sector that have an increasing influence in foreign policy, even overriding diplomatic interests, says a recent report by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

According to Dean Knox, an analyst with SIPRI, the CNNC had been pressuring the government to support an overseas expansion starting in Pakistan. The government, he said, initially resisted the pressure, prompted by China's joining of the 46-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) in 2004 and international concerns over Pakistan's proliferation record. But following a waiver granted to the civilian nuclear agreement between India and the United States, the Chinese government's “political will to block the CNNC project evaporated”, according to SIPRI.

Earlier this year, the CNNC signed deals with Pakistan to build two 300 MW power reactors, Chashma-3 and Chashma-4, following the two power reactors it has already built.

The CNNC's announcement on Monday that talks were under way for a fifth one-GW plant, estimated at 14 billion yuan ($2 billion) was not immediately confirmed by officials. Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu said China had notified the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) of the deals for the two 300 MW reactors, and “invited the IAEA to exercise safeguards and oversight of this project”. She did not, however, deny a deal for a fifth plant was in the works, only telling reporters “to check with the company”.