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Our never-never land {Realisation of a paki} :(
Pakistan's T20 skipper Shahid Afridi was seen gnawing at the cricket ball voraciously in full public gaze. Why he did this is not because he was hungry but apparently because he just couldn't help it. Afridi's ball-munching scene indeed shocked the world as an act of limitless dishonesty, and perhaps also as a fit of insanity that one may not have come across ever before in cricketing history.

Our politics and cricket seem to be two sides of the same coin. Corruption is in our blood, and we are always devising ingenuities to circumvent legal, moral and ethical norms for personal gains.
Coming back to Shahid Afridi, he didn't have to do what he did. But apparently, like everyone else in our country, he represents our national psyche. We as a nation from top to the bottom cannot resist flouting the law. Look at our brazen-faced politicians always cheating the people. Look at us when we are driving with total disdain for traffic rules.

For us, speed is life. Look at us when we are driving. We must overtake those ahead of us lest we miss the "grand prix." We frolic in leaving others behind.

We don't even believe in the rule of law. For us, rules of any sorts are nerve-wracking. We just can't stand them as they have no relevance in our daily lives. We prefer chaos. Discipline is not in our nature. Our freedom is above everything. In fact, we don't believe in principles because they kill initiative and slow the pace of life. We don't like anything that curtails our freedom or limits our choice. Alas! Quaid-e-Azam did not get to know us well. :eek:
Cricketers have destroyed cricket in our country just as our politicians have ruined the tradition and practice of politics. The people are beginning to remember the good old days when we were playing cricket at home and abroad, and when we had no shortages of food, gas or electricity. We are fed up with this never-never land. :-?
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The great Munir Wife-beater Akram will succintly include "unconditional access to the Japanese market for Pakistani made tractors regardless of functionality and/or quality and/or delivery in order to maintain strategic balance in the region" as yet another precondition to continue Pakistani support of American objectives in Afganistan. Then Christine Fair will write a WSJ article on merits of acceptance of those terms to further American interests .....
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The Indians are coming!
It is a pity that neither Delhi nor Islamabad has ever acquired the faculty of imagining the suffering and joy of the other, to say nothing of their respective concerns and limitations, and the two governments are all too ready to lapse into recriminations at the drop of a hat. They attribute evil and devious motives to each other and reach for whatever is at hand to threaten the other. This is all the more surprising because civil society in both countries is strongly averse to conflict. A fact repeatedly ascertained by polls and people-to-people exchanges. If this message is now finally resonating in Delhi, and is the reason why India wishes to resume the dialogue, it would be a cause for rejoicing, unfortunately it is not.

The reason is more prosaic. Delhi has finally accepted that its earlier policy of threatening war and risking worse was unwise. :roll: It merely encouraged the terrorists and disheartened well-wishers; most of all, :lol: it proved self-defeating. For India to find out what policy may work by finding out what did not work was hardly savvy.

Why it took so long for the penny to drop is not clear. Admittedly, India was hurt and enraged by what happened at Mumbai. Any country would be; but lashing out at Pakistan, which is itself reeling under terror as perhaps no other country in the world, revealed insensitivity to Pakistan's predicament and an ignorance of the inefficiency of subcontinental bureaucracy that was breathtaking. Naturally, it only made matters worse.

Hence, after the initial upsurge of sympathy for India, Islamabad went into lockdown, convinced that India was bent on revenge rather than justice and an opportunity to strengthen cooperation was lost. No wonder in those dark days after the Mumbai attack many felt that if there was any light that they thought they had glimpsed at the end of the tunnel (as a result of progress in the composite dialogue) it was the light of an oncoming train.

Of course, the dialogue will not restart exactly where it was broken off by India. We cannot pick up the thread as if Mumbai never happened, nor should we. Terrorism is understandably for India the single most important item on the agenda. But its being projected by Delhi as the only item is imprudent. It may once again stall the talks because Pakistan is as interested in making progress on Kashmir and water-sharing as in cooperation to combat terrorism. Bickering over the agenda must not be allowed to derail the process. A middle ground needs to be found and, what is more, discernible progress recorded, or else one side or the other will lose interest in the dialogue. Frankly, it is better not to have any talks than for them to fail amid a welter of accusations.

If the dialogue resumes, Pakistan owes its Indian visitors a detailed accounting of all the steps it has taken to apprehend and punish the terrorists involved and, in particular, why some accused by India are not yet behind bars. And also why it has not been possible, on the evidence proffered by India and whatever we have gathered, to obtain a conviction. No doubt, in return, we would want to know what has been the outcome of the Samjhauta Express enquiry.{The biggest goof-up by Congress Govt for votebank politics :( } Going the extra mile to allay mutual suspicions can only do good.

Sadly, in both countries there are those who harbour mindless hate for the other side. Hate, which has penetrated their innards; and unless they hate someone or some other nation or creed they can't be happy. But, because in a democracy merely harbouring hate is insufficient to deprive a man of his liberty, they escape punishment. That is why presumably Bal Thackeray is not in prison in India and, one suspects, Hafiz Saeed in Pakistan.{In one plain stroke , it's == :rotfl: } Nor do preconceived notions, suspicions and historical ill-will have any place when it comes to negotiations. A road that goes from the eye to the heart without going through the intellect is obviously the wrong one.

Hence, Pakistan and India must address their mutual concerns devoid of anger or malice, lest the next hiatus in relations, when it comes, does not last longer and end in disaster. This is not an idle caution, nor a needless one. The degree of animus some of the participants bring to the table is inexcusable.

The timing of the Indian initiative has understandably aroused speculation; it even surprised Indian diplomats. Prime Minister Gilani ascribed it to "international pressure." India, on the other hand, claims that it is "a calculated initiative to unlock the dialogue process." Chances are that it is both. Indeed, there may well be a third factor, a "calculated" and perhaps conjoined Indo-US initiative, not so much to "unlock the dialogue process" as to help America enlist Pakistan's grudging support for the forthcoming "surge." And, if none of the above, then at the very least it serves as an encouraging curtain-raiser for the intensified fighting that is expected to commence momentarily in Afghanistan as the American "surge" gets underway, for which Pakistan's cooperation is indispensable.

Viewed thus, the decision to resume talks with Pakistan was not so much a belated admission by India of a policy that had failed but rather an astute manoeuvre to augment American pressure on Pakistan prior to the surge.

Actually, nearly all of India's moves, of late, have thrown into bold relief its fixation to play a major role in Afghanistan. According to one Indian analyst, India considers the prospect of a regime in Kabul that is unfriendly to India as intolerable; that Pakistan on no account be allowed to regain a foothold in Afghanistan, and that, at the very least, a fundamentalist regime of the type of the Taliban not take root in Kabul, because, "a significant part of the terrorist infrastructure that was groomed in Afghanistan was directed against India."

While the writer is Indian, in opinion and outlook he speaks like a contemporary American and that too of the neo-con mould.{Instead, the writer should have been lobbying for paki strategic depth} It seems that India will make use of any argument to indulge its temptation to interfere in the internal affairs of Afghanistan and delve in the "Afghan nest of snakes" that has proved the undoing of so many, including Pakistan, much like others before it. All of which only reinforces Hegel's belief that "what experience and history teach is this---that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it."{Very true of GoI & WKK brigade :lol: }

Not that India or Pakistan will likely be dissuaded by what history recounts. Hence, for the foreseeable future, there will always be an Afghan dimension to the relationship that India forges with Pakistan, adding, thereby, one more complicating and needless factor to an already vexed relationship.

As talks resume, the war in Afghanistan drags on and Indian and Pakistani policymakers grapple with designing the architecture for peace in the region they could usefully recall the caution that the Chinese sage Chi Wen Tzu proffered to his monarch two thousand years ago: "Think three times before taking any step, even though twice would have been enough." Perhaps, if his caution had been heeded after Mumbai, much of what happened would not have transpired, and today both countries would have been implementing agreements that now seem distant and difficult. :roll:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Isnt Christine Fair the same motorma who alleged Indian involvement in Blochistan?
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vdutta wrote:Substandard tractors exported to Japan
Wednesday, February 10, 2010
By Irfan Siddiqui

TOKYO: Pakistan may lose the huge market of its tractors in Japan due to the failure of a local manufacturer to provide the vehicle according to commitment.

Last year, Pakistani businessman Mian Saleem in Japan made efforts to introduce Pakistan-made tractors in the Japanese market. Saleem told The News he brought a Japanese business delegation to Pakistan which was interested in Pakistani tractors.

During the trip, the Japanese group expressed keen interest in the tractors and after negotiations placed an order of 150 tractors of model ML385.

According to the agreement, Saleem said, he got the delivery of 12 tractors in Japan in the first phase and those were sent to the Japanese company which had ordered them.

According to the accord, all tractors must be of 2009 model but on the body model 2000 was printed. Two tractors had no gear shaft while engines of some tractors stopped after few hours of drive. As a result, the Japanese company cancelled the order for the remaining 138 tractors.
:rotfl:
“I am disappointed over the loss of business worth millions of dollars,” he told The News, adding a lot of effort was made to introduce Pakistani tractors in Japan which could be a huge market for Pakistan.

He said the dishonest deal destroyed the image of the country, adding the government should take notice of the case and take serious action.

He said the government must make sure the companies complied with rules and regulations and maintain quality and standard of products being exported.
http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=223394
It is all a YYY conspiracy onlee. First it started off with eevil Yindoo bania KC Mahindra buying out Ghulam Mohammad (future first finance minister of Pakland) from Mahindra & Mohammed and renaming it to Mahindra & Mahindra. Then, the eevil yindoos teamed up with eevil Yankee company International Harvester and built it up into a world class tractor company and built a huge fan following in India, US, Australasia, China, half of Africa etc. Where does the third Y in YYY come in? Well, pakis will probably find a way to pass the blame that way as well.

Seriously though, an order of 150 tractors is piddly stuff, so the statement of "may lose the huge market of its tractors" is wishful thinking on Irfan Siddiqui's part. He also hasn't considered that the Japanese market is one of the more competitive markets there is and they already have homegrown tractor manufacturers like Honda, Yamaha, Mitsubishi and Kubota to reckon with. Moreover, eevil yindoo company might be moving there as well. From Mahindra Tractors' page:
Mahindra's Farm Equipment Sector is the proud recipient of the Japan Quality Medal, the only tractor company worldwide to be bestowed this honour. It also holds the distinction of being the only tractor company worldwide to win the Deming Prize.
By the way, what's with asking the Pak government to ensure quality. The Paki tractor manufacturer (seems to be Millat tractors judging by model name) is a private company.
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Substandard tractors exported to Japan
Wednesday, February 10, 2010
By Irfan Siddiqui
There was a joke in USSR (pre Perestroika). USSR used to export old style TV (with elaborate wood work) to Japan. Somebody asked why Japan need to import old outdated TV sets. Answer was that they needed wood for quality guitars........ :rotfl:
Same way Japan needed metal scrap(quality)thats why they imported...................but evil yendu from Kandla sold them cheaper scrap (from dismenteled Japanese ships), so they canceled the order :mrgreen:
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"Let me succintly state it. Nothing is more important to India, nothing, nada, zilch, not the nuke deal, not slum dog oscars, not a SDRE like Shilpa Shetty getting a hot kiss from Hollywood honcho Richard Gere, not back office investment in Gurgoan and Bangalore by Intel and Google; none of these are worth a hill of beans if TSP is allowed to keep its terrorist infrastructure."

CRamS, the sentiment, and your scenario, is entirely understandable. But, excuse my naivete, even in the worst case scenario, India can do a number of things; strengthen its own security, including border security; support the non-TSP Afghans, meaning the vast majority of the Afghan people; give covert assistance to anti-Taliban/anti-Pak groups in Afghanistan, as in the Northern Alliance; get help from Russia, Iran and sympathetic Central Asian states( eg Uzbekistan, Tajikistan) to oppose any Pakistan installed/assisted Afghan government; persuade friendly countries like Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines, France and Ireland about the necessity and ethicality of helping India and countering the Talibs/Pakistan; vastly increase economic ties with all these countries and the rest of Asia, including China( the latter on more equitable terms than currently exist, of course); increase India's profile, already large, in the Middle East/West Asia. India is doing some of the above already, to a degree. Oh, I almost forgot: increase covert activity within Pakistan itself, with, as someone mentioned, the use of designated hit-squads to take out the Lashkar, Harkat, Jaish, Dawood Ibrahim and the Pak military and intelligence personnel.
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Wrong conclusion Paki, Amnesty is always offered by the Strong Winner. Paqui scared of fighting war on 2 front while Kaoor ready to fight war on 2 front . :twisted:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk\default.asp?page=2010\02\10\story_10-2-2010_pg3_1
Kashmir settlement
Signals coming from India indicate a thaw in the Indian
government’s obstinacy regarding resumption of dialogue with Pakistan and the situation in Kashmir. Last week it offered secretary-level talks with Pakistan and now, according to a news report carried by this paper, it is mulling over giving a general amnesty to people who may have either joined the militant ranks or crossed over the Line of Control to escape the repression of the security forces in Indian Held Kashmir (IHK). These are welcome signs for a number of reasons.In the Constitution of India, Kashmir enjoys a special status as per Article 370, which make provisions for the autonomy of the state within the Indian federation. Rather than translating the provisions in this article into progress and prosperity for the Kashmiri populace, the central government in India has ignored their genuine demands throughout and has been involved in the worst kind of repression through draconian laws since the uprising started in 1989.
The settlement of Kashmir is central to peace in South Asia. The moderate faction of the Hurriyet Conference led by Mirwaiz Umer Farooq last year expressed its willingness to talk to the Centre to work out an internal solution. The involvement of the Kashmiris in reaching a mutually agreed solution to the problem, which may even mean compromising on Pakistan’s long-held stance on Kashmir, is imperative. An understanding between India and Pakistan on Kashmir will contribute to the fight against terror and for peace and stability in Afghanistan that is on the verge of becoming
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Anujan wrote:Isnt Christine Fair the same motorma who alleged Indian involvement in Blochistan?
yes and then backtracked.
link wrote:Having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity! Moreover, India has run operations from its mission in Mazar (through which it supported the Northern Alliance) and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Qandahar along the border. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Baluchistan.
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CRamS wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Pakistan is just one, and perhaps not even the most important, dimension of a multi-dimensional Indo-US relationship. You have to look at the entire picture and not just a Pakistan-centric view.
With all due respect, this is horsemanure at best. I am not saying you are in the same boat, but this is what even the deluded "India is impending superpower" elites in India put out.

Let me succintly state it. Nothing is more important to India, nothing, nada, zilch, not the nuke deal, not slum dog oscars, not a SDRE like Shilpa Shetty getting a hot kiss from Hollywood honcho Richard Gere, not back office investment in Gurgoan and Bangalore by Intel and Google; none of these are worth a hill of beans if TSP is allowed to keep its terrorist infrastructure.
That is horsemanure at its worst.

First, if it is worth it for Indians to eat grass if that is what it takes to extirpate TSP's terrorist infrastructure, then why don't they start? The evidence is clear; the answer is that it is not worth it.

Second, the nuclear deal is hardly in the same category as any of the others (slum dog oscars, shilpa shetty antics, and even individual mega-corporations' investments). This mixing up of categories is a stupid rhetorical device.

Third, what dimensions ought you to have mentioned? Some of them - apart from the nuclear deal, there are the issues of trade (which are much larger than back-office investments), and defence & intelligence (including technology and even things like Yudh Abhyas), joint objectives related to things ranging from Afghanistan to piracy on the high seas. I can think of more, but you put it together and then argue that the Pakistan-centric view is the most important one.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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SHUT UPPPP :rotfl: :rotfl:
SOURCE:NDTV..
Pakistanis are fretting over the blocking of YouTube for some hours by authorities to prevent people from seeing a video in which President Asif Ali Zardari told an unruly section of a gathering to "shut up". The video clip that has been cross-posted at several websites shows Zardari saying a forceful "shut up" to members of the audience while delivering a speech at a recent rally.
The blocking of YouTube by the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority figured prominently on Twitter and several new versions of the 'shut up' video have surfaced and are being circulated.
One "remixed" clip has Zardari talking to the audience with a dialogue by Amitabh Bachchan playing in the backdrop, followed by the Black Eyed Peas song "Shut Up".
Adil Najam, editor of a popular magazine, wrote: "If authentic, and it seems to be, the video is striking, but also sad to see. There is not much that one can say by way of comment. Such behaviour is embarrassing for any politician, but especially for the President of a country."
Najam was the first the post the video on his website.
A little edited but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mw6CC3j7As
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anupmisra wrote:
ArmenT wrote:Looks like a 400% posed photograph.
Tell me if this ain't a 800% posed phtograph? You know where this is leading to? Mo' money! Mo' money!

Image
In the photo, the policeman's body language is submissive, the talib at the right in the black jacket looks cool, hand in the pocket!.
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Strat reporting"February 10, 2010
A Pakistani official said Feb. 10 that Pakistan has accepted India’s offer for bilateral talks at the level of foreign secretaries, Dawn News reported. Pakistan’s envoy to India said Feb. 10 that New Delhi is ready to hold bilateral talks with Islamabad with no preconditions, Pakistan’s Daily Times reported, citing diplomatic sources."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_ ... bit_wilson

Mike Vickers, who as a CIA agent in 1984 played a key role in the clandestine effort to arm the Afghan rebels, said Wilson played a part in the Soviet Union's collapse, which happened just two years after its withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Vickers, now assistant secretary of defense for special operations, praised Wilson as a "great American patriot who played a pivotal role in a world-changing event — the defeat of the Red Army in Afghanistan, which led to the collapse of Communism and the Soviet Empire."
After leaving Congress, Wilson lobbied for a number of years before returning to Texas.
"Charlie was perfect as a congressman, perfect as a state representative, perfect as a state senator. He was a perfect reflection of the people he represented. If there was anything wrong with Charlie, I never did know what it was," said Charles Schnabel Jr., who served for seven years as Wilson's chief of staff in Washington and worked with Wilson when he served in the Texas Senate.

Schnabel said he had just been with Wilson a few weeks ago for the dedication of the Charlie Wilson chair for Pakistan studies at the University of Texas, Austin, a $1 million endowment. He said Wilson had been doing "very good."
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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A_Gupta wrote:
First, if it is worth it for Indians to eat grass if that is what it takes to extirpate TSP's terrorist infrastructure, then why don't they start? The evidence is clear; the answer is that it is not worth it.

I think Indians do not give a damn about Pakistan and will not even think about it if there are no terrorist attacks - just like Indians will not think about Australia if Indians are not attacked. Pakistan remains in Indian consciousness only because of terror. OK Pakistan sometimes appears in Indian consciousness wrt to cricket, but hey so does Australia.

Pakistan will drop out of sight from Indian minds if there is no terrorism. I suspect Paquis know that are are quite worried. I mean forget Australia. Look at Myanmar. Is Myanmar a neighbor of India. Look at the last 5 days news in India. Does Myanmar get a mention even once? OK I grant that Nepal has been mentioned once or twice. Paquistan will drop out if sight. Its getting worse now - because we have had no major terrorist attacks for over a year. Gradually Paquistan is coming a non entity in India. I mean OK - a couple of people were killed by terrorists somewhere in the last few days - but you know a drunken woman ran over 4 people in Bangalore? Gosh -imagine that. Pakistan? Uh? Why are you talking about Pakistan? Has there been another bomb blast or what?

I suspect India has a very large and looming presence in Paki consciousness. But remove terror and Pakistan will be forgotten. In India.
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Delhi Games force Pakistan diplomats to move home
The state-owned Delhi Development Authority (DDA) said the houses of the four Pakistani envoys stood on an 11.2 acre (4.5 hectare) site occupied illegally by a private builder :shock: in the Indian capital's upscale Vasant Vihar diplomatic enclave.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/11/world ... pstan.html

The attack itself is old news, casualty 17, but interesting thing is the rescue team itself was ambushed killing senior fanatic barbarian terrorist trainers.
The army brigadier leading the rescue was killed in the attack, and a major and a lieutenant were wounded, the army confirmed.
See a pattern here? Bomb first then either attack the hospital where they take victims or attack the rescue team - force multiplier effect!
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shiv wrote:I suspect India has a very large and looming presence in Paki consciousness. But remove terror and Pakistan will be forgotten. In India.
Shiv,

Well said. And this forgetting of Pakistan will happen even more as the Indian economy develops. As Prem pointed out in an earlier post by 2015 or so the annual Indian GDP increase will be more than Pakistan's total GDP. That gives a new dimension to Indo-Pak relations - in fact I think the paradigm shift this will bring is often not understood. This will happen irrespective of whether we have spineless leaders or 300 million middle class dhimmis (BTW, I often wonder: Are folks who scream about these dhimmis part of this 300 million or are separate entities living in a different land or time?)

I suspect a few folks in the benighted land to the West have begun to realise the effects of this economic juggernaut. However, the vast majority are still lapping up this idea of Pak >>>>/or == to the Indian Bania. I say let them wallow in their delusions while we go about bringing about this paradigm shift. The only problem is that those few who have seen the writing on the wall may try to provoke a war or major terrorist outrage in order to restrain India - a kind of if we go down we will take you along.

And sure enough if India totally moves away from Pakistan's grasp then that country will collapse under its own contradictions - we've all noticed how they start fighting among themselves when India is not in immediate focus.

The power of a US$4-US$5 trillion economy is evident from how China is rattling everyone. Mind you not once has China done saber rattling of its armed forces. Its response to the Taiwan arms sales has been different this time. A decade ago such an arms sales would - and have - have resulted in provocative moves like publicly aiming more missiles at Taiwan more aggressive Navy patrolling and generally bellicose grandstanding. However, this time, the reaction was targeted at the US and not Taiwan. The threat was more sinister - trade sanctions against US entities. Whether that will succeed in stopping the sales or not is moot but the intention is clear. Do you think in, say another five years or so, the US will have the balls to sell arms to Taiwan? You don't fool around with a US$6 trillion (or so) economy even if you are even bigger.

Now we need to remember - and I repeat myself here - by 2020, if all goes well, India is on course to be US$4-US$5 trillion economy. And oh that would probably make us the world's third largest economy just ahead of Japan. Even with 300 million dhimmis, India would, I reckon, be a force that nobody, including the 3.5 friends will fool around with.
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Guddu wrote: Image
In the photo, the policeman's body language is submissive, the talib at the right in the black jacket looks cool, hand in the pocket!.
"Chor kotwal ko dante"[/quote]

What makes you think they are Talibs? They are TSPA irregulars. That is the easiest way to get/publish these pics with that hood-option.
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The path to nowhere ---- Syed Talat Hussain
This article reeks of what else... Bakiness.

Should Pakistan talk to India or should it not? Of course it should, but not now. Not so hurriedly. Since the Mumbai attacks, our position has been that Delhi’s pre-conditioning of the Composite Dialogue’s resumption with arbitrary demands cannot be the way forward. We have also been holding the logical line that India’s off-again-on-again attitude undermines serious efforts for lasting peace. We have rightly pointed the international community’s attention towards Delhi’s poisonous presence in Afghanistan, and have repeatedly underlined elaborate stratagems Delhi plans and executes in Fata and Balochistan. This policy stance has not been a mere reaction to India’s post-Mumbai unreasonableness. Deeper issues have recently surfaced to expose the nature of Indian diplomacy towards Pakistan.
India has spat on dialogue with Pakistan for nearly a year and a half. It has created problems for Pakistan in the worst of times and in the worst possible way, but somehow the country has muddled through. Now that organised domestic terrorism is waning, and the world is ever more cooperating with Pakistan to stabilise Afghanistan, Islamabad can afford to, not spit, but perhaps sit on the talks offer for a few months. Islamabad should wait and see what actions Delhi takes to create an enabling environment for making these talks meaningful. If we care to read time correctly, and on our own watch, it is on our side. Delhi has to do more than just express intent for the talks to begin. Without verifiable evidence of change in Delhi’s actions, resuming dialogue will be no more than a familiar walk up the path to nowhere.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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SSridhar,

Got to read your well articulated piece only now! I fully share your assessment and concerns.
Having said that, there are other dimensions to consider. As Shiv has been attempting to point out (lead?) in this and many other threads, the level of consciousness and popular support even among the elite is quite poor for action on this front. That needs to be built up. And that too in the face of a hostile media, and many political forces who see just losses in that direction. Mainstream media as well as Congress and related parties have built up the positioning that attacking pakistan is equal to attacking IMs. (I can understand the Congress' need for this, but cannot appreciate media's hunger for this!) Plenty of examples can be given in this regard. Why even opposition to article 370 is positioned as communal (why ever our Abdul Khader in Kayalpattinam should want article 370, I can never fathom!)! In the face of this environment, we should expect progress to be slow. But one should persist with and with a tone that is - a) middle of the road, b) soft, c) logical, and d) couched in accommodative terms towards IMs (in the absence of the last, many will simply switch off).

What gives me hope are initiatives like the one by FICCI (no wonder the pakis froth at the report). Here is a non BJP / RSS / non 'Hindootva' organisation that chose to put together a team to study and come up with recommendations. Some of the things said in the report reflect an understanding that we do not normally associate with our Business. Things like this should get more into the mainstream. I also refer to Prof Vaidya's piece (which too browned paki pants)

And certainly now we should initiate Economic Warfare against pakistan. Can be quite a low cost option - we can do plenty that can that can hurt them quite badly.
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Natt wrote:SHUT UPPPP :rotfl: :rotfl:
SOURCE:NDTV..
Pakistanis are fretting over the blocking of YouTube for some hours by authorities to prevent people from seeing a video in which President Asif Ali Zardari told an unruly section of a gathering to "shut up". The video clip that has been cross-posted at several websites shows Zardari saying a forceful "shut up" to members of the audience while delivering a speech at a recent rally.
One of the websites that posted the clip was BRF :). I posted it on page 8 of this very thread:
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 53#p816753
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Bill Roggio in LWJ on pakistan's offer to US Pakistan plays 'Let's Make a Deal' in Afghanistan
One strand of thinking within the Obama administration calls for allowing the Pakistanis to keep the Haqqanis as part of Pakistan’s sphere of influence in southern Afghanistan, but only if Pakistan forces the Haqqanis to break with Al Qaeda and to push militants out of its areas, an American official said.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Another "Parley" Biscuit with Chai for Paquistan
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -120-rs-01
Agreement on roadmap to settle Pak-India water dispute
The Indus treaty protects rights of both the upper (India) and lower riparian (Pakistan) states. The two countries needed to stick to their parts of implementation, Mr Shah said, adding that Pakistan had also asked India to take steps if deforestation and environmental impact affected river flows on its side. Talking to reporters at the Lahore airport before leaving for home, Auranga Nathan, India’s Indus Commissioner, rejected a perception that the water issue could trigger a war between Pakistan and India. “After all the two countries have signed an international treaty which includes elaborate dispute resolution mechanism. They not only committed to the treaty provisions but also regularly invoke different provisions to resolve disputes. Under such circumstances, there was hardly any chance of war between Pakistan and India on water issues,” he said. Nathan termed his visit a success and reiterated that India was committed to the treaty and ready to resolve all disputes in accordance with the Indus Basin Water Treaty. The current water reduction, he said, was result of weather variations rather than any activity on the Indian side of the border.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Most accurate description of following years from Orbat: :mrgreen:
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After Marja falls, what then? Then the Marines will occupy Marja for a couple of years before going home. In theory that time will be used to build-up Afghan security forces. Even if the forces are really built up with the required degree of effectiveness, they will not be able to face the Taliban when the Americans go. As happened in the 1990s in Afghanistan, the Taliban will attack with Pakistan Army artillery and armor backing them, as well as complete battalions and even brigades of Pakistan infantry.
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Afghanistan will fall - at least the East, Center, and South, and large parts of the West. As happened years ago. The North will hold, because they are not Pushtuns and they will fight the Taliban to the end. This time the North will have massive and overt support from the Russians and the Indians.
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Nonetheless, Pakistan is not particularly interested in the whole of Afghanistan. Its strategic purposes are sufficiently served by taking even 60%.
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Once Afghanistan is settled, there will be a major deviation from the scenario of the 1990s. The Pushtun Afghanistan Taliban will fight Pakistan for the NWFP, and the Pakistan Taliban will join in to fight for the Punjab.
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At this stage, the Taliban do not have a significant presence in Sindh Province. The danger is not that Sindh will fall to the Taliban, but that it will become ungovernable - it is halfway there already.
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The Taliban will also advance into Pakistan Kashmir and declare war on Indian Kashmir. Here they will get nowhere, but until they learn that, India could have another 20-year war on its hands.
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Anyone who says they can tell you what exactly will happen when the US leaves Afghanistan is lying. History repeats itself in its broad themes, but each time a theme is played out differently.
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We can make four generalizations. (a) Much of Afghanistan will fall to the Taliban - it already has. (b) Unlike 1990, where after the Red Army left Afghanistan Pakistan was united, this time the blow-back will rock Pakistan to its foundations. It will be a bigger mess than we can imagine. (c) The Indians will remain Clueless. They will founder, they will be confused, they will flail about, but like all God's retarded children, they will emerge safe. But the pressures they will be put into, on top of all the other internal pressures India faces, will not do any good.{ Correct description, IMHO}
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Last, (d) The Americans will sit snug at home, forget they were ever in Afghanistan, and be happily messing up another part of the world. Never underestimate the happy circumstance that gave America a 9000-mile buffer to the west and a 3000-mile buffer to the east, the Pacific and the Atlantic. The Americans can mess up the world endlessly, without ever having to bear the consequences
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All of the above because of one man 25 years ago
http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=11964716

"Charlie Wilson was proof of what one man can do when he is determined. As a result, the world is a different place because of Charlie.
He was a man of purpose, who obviously enjoyed life. Among his greatest loves, he loved this country, he loved veterans, he loved east Texas, and, of course, Barbara who brought him such strength, comfort and stability these last several years. Because of his infectious sense of humor, it was tough to be around Charlie without smiling. East Texans have shared with me that, sure, they knew Charlie had personal issues, but he was always honest about them. We will miss that kind of candor. He was even gracious enough to share the insights from his vast experience with a Republican like me any time I asked. As an east Texas icon and friend, he will be sorely missed. Our sympathy and prayers go out to Barbara and his family."
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US's os called war on terror is a running comedy. Its reduced to dems Vs reps arguing endlessly over the underwear bomber; the former saying try him & lock him up (foregone conclusion), the later say lets gouge his eyes and ears and get information about what I don't know; that some so called Al Queda types are practicing rope tricks in Yemen? :-).

R-man, on the collusion between Haqqani and Al Queda, lets get real. How many Al Queda (Arab) terrorists could there be? A couple of 100? Is this whole circus about them? If in fact Obama is considering that diabolical deal, TSP will sacrfice those 100 or so in a heartbeat. I'd be shocked if US goes along with that. My feeling is the US wants to demonstrate its military might so that the impression is not created that US tucked its tail and ran. I doubt US will leave Haqqani and gang intact to boast later on that they forced the only superpower to leave. (rememebr, everyone talks about US credibility, in simpler words this means etch&dee :-)).
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Apologies if these were posted earlier:

No intention of war with India, but it can change

Pakistan favours dialogue over war with India; Gilani
“I appreciate India’s intention to resume talks,” he said and added the “threat perception” regarding India necessitated the need for a dialogue to resolve all outstanding issues between the two countries.
“There is an intention that we say that there will be no war. But intentions can change anytime. There is a threat perception, that’s why we want dialogue,” Gilani said in interview with a private Dunya television channel telecast Wednesday night.
Looks like the entire nation is on some kind of steroids for the last few weeks (since the time US announced its afghan exit).

In other news, Charlie Wilson met his 72 today.
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CRamS wrote:In other news, Charlie Wilson met his 72 today.

That is one man I wish never had been born :). Ideological Jackasses like him (and the Islamic Fundoos and Hitler) are the sole reason for so much misery in this world.

From here
His rowdy behavior produced sensational headlines over the years. There were at least two midnight car crashes. He was investigated for cocaine use, and election-expenditure irregularities resulted in a $90,000 fine. {Charges of Mass manslaughter would also be appropriate}

In an interview with Washingtonian magazine in 1996, Mr. Wilson said Texas voters put up with his antics in part because of the vicarious thrill they got in watching him. He added that he did not lie or whine when caught.

“I just say, ‘Well, yeah, I guess I goofed again’ and go about my business,” he said. “Those good Christians, you know, believe in the redemption of sin.” {If this does not prove he is a lunatic criminal mass murderer, nothing else will}

When he announced his resignation in 1995, saying the job was not fun anymore, Mr. Wilson thanked his constituents for their tolerance. {idiot should have realized this in the 80s}

“He was our favorite town character,” Mayor Gorden said. “He was a rascal but our rascal.” {And also an incredibly stupid idiot}

May the Lord give his soul the treatment that it deserves!
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Would US withdrawing from Afghanistan make any significant difference to us. Clearly there is nothing for us to hide in Afghanistan , certainly not with U.S. there in the first place. Even if the Taliban were to gain a foothold again, what significant difference does it make to us.
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So, Gilani miyan is saying that there is no intention of war, but intentions might change. Also, quereshi saab is saying that talks are fruitless unless Kashmir and water dispute are discussed. Even Kiyani had mentioned that PA would be India centric unless Kashmir and water issues are resolved. If I am not mistaken, earlier barks from the other side of the Wagah used to be only about Kashmir and nothing else. Suddenly, Pakjabis have started to mention water with a greater urgency than ever before by placing it alongside Kashmir in the agenda for talks. We all know that lack of adequate water supply could hamper many aspects of a civilization such as agriculture,electricity et.c. This in turn, could have a domino effect on other aspects and could create schism in a TSP like society that is full of explosive fault lines. Even many strategic experts have admitted in the past that a water crisis is capable of initiating a military conflict between two nations. Since 26/11, this is the first time that India will hold hold "official talks" with Pakistan. So in the course of one year, has the water crisis in TSP become so serious that Gilani, Qureshi and even Kayani chose to mention it alongside their favorite word of Kashmir?
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Prem wrote:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -120-rs-01
Agreement on roadmap to settle Pak-India water dispute
Talking to reporters at the Lahore airport before leaving for home, Auranga Nathan, India’s Indus Commissioner, rejected . . .
All Pakistani newspapers and news agencies have referred to Mr. Ranganathan as Auranga Nathan, exposing the Pakistani fetish for Aurangzeb.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Actually one way to look at all this 'Halla' from TSP camp is they have decided to direct the domestic outrage over scarcity of water against India as 'hatred for India' sells and something which does not need effort in terms of building a consensus in TSP , more importantly by bringing in these issues they wish to deflect the Indian demands for expediting the proceedings of 26/11 case (I presume GOI has this on agenda for the proposed talks).
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http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -120-rs-01
On the last day of a five-day visit, a three-member Indian delegation yielded to a Pakistani demand that all “water disputes must be resolved with an agreed timeframe” because their lingering would create problems for both countries.
The Pakistanis like the word "yield".

With the history of S-e-S, who knows?
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Govt vows to end dependence on IMF

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -120-hh-04
The cabinet decided on Wednesday to develop national economy to a level where by the end of next fiscal year it could come out of dependence on foreign institutions like the International Monetary Fund.

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Under the framework, the fiscal deficit will be reduced to 2.3 per cent of the GDP by 2012-13 from the current 4.2 per cent, the tax-to-GDP ratio will be enhanced to 12 per cent from 9.3 per cent, the size of Public Sector Development Programme will be increased to 2.3 per cent of the GDP from the current 1.7 per cent.

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He said as far as the water issue was concerned Pakistan was prepared to go to the International Court of Justice to seek arbitration if it was not resolved through talks.

About India’s reluctance to resumption of composite dialogue, he said Pakistan desired that all issues were discussed under composite dialogue.
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Pakistan is my biggest worry: Biden

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... iden-hs-07
Earlier this month US Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair told a senate committee that “vulnerabilities exist” in Pakistan's nuclear safeguards, without elaborating.

The next day he rowed back, trying to be reassuring by saying that the Pakistani military knew there were would be “catastrophic consequences, primarily for Pakistan,” if any of its nuclear bombs fell into the wrong hands.
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RamaP wrote:If I am not mistaken, earlier barks from the other side of the Wagah used to be only about Kashmir and nothing else. Suddenly, Pakjabis have started to mention water with a greater urgency than ever before by placing it alongside Kashmir in the agenda for talks.
It has been about 6 years now that Pakistan has been ratcheting up the water issue beyond its usual cacophony. Water has always been the issue. The original grab at J&K was for purposes of water and territory. Then, the Pakistanis got a very favourable IWT. Even then, they objected to Bhakra-Nangal which India started to build on its allocated eastern river. Then they placed a lot of impediments on various projects. We conceded ground in most of them like Salal, Tulbul Navigation Lock etc. The first time we asserted ourselves was in Baglihar and that piqued them. Pakistanis are nothing if not driven by an urge to match us in everything or slight us under the smallest pretext or prick us even at their own cost and to their loss. They took the matter to the WB whose Neutral Expert not only concurred with India (except in some minor areas) but also urged us to use more modern dam building techniques to the annoyance of the Pakistanis. Those who understood what lay in store after that verdict, denounced the Neutral Expert; but, those who were blissfully ignorant proclaimed victory for the Believers against the kuffar (archan, pl note the plural form of kafir and correct usage :wink: ).

In the meanwhile the Chanakyan neighbours took the Neutral Expert's mantra to heart and have started to go aggressively at the various projects, all within the allowed parameters of the IWT, of course. Even then, there are provisions that allow India to actually 'use' some amount of water from the western rivers. India must exploit this fully too. The Pakistanis, as usual, have to blame themselves for this state of affairs. They have effectively sealed their fate by taking Baglihar to the NE. If they had been having simply chai-biscuit meetings with India, they could have settled for more favourable terms from the SDRE perhaps. Now, the Pakistanis may take the matter anywhere they like, they will face complete rout legally.

Be that as it may, the Pakistani itch is to find newer and newer causes to fight India or at least embarrass India. They have a long laundry list: Kashmir, Treatment of Muslims in India, Water, Sir Creek, Siachen, Hyderabad, Junagadh, Manavadar, Mongrol, India's economic growth, IITs & IISc & IIMs, Arthasastra etc. You name anything in India and they will be upset by it.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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SSridhar wrote: All Pakistani newspapers and news agencies have referred to Mr. Ranganathan as Auranga Nathan, exposing the Pakistani fetish for Aurangzeb.
It is actually 'Aranganathan'.But only Lahori logic can connect it to 'Auranga'. :rotfl:

OT: Just outside the famed southern gopuram at Srirangam,there is a shrine for Gauranga (chaitanya mahaprabhu) built by ISKCON.May be pakis will find some connection to that.So many variations of O Ranga come to my mind from Sri Tyagaraja to Kamal Hassan.All the talented abduls and mullahs might pursue in other enlightened dhagas.SS Saar,your indulgence.
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Watch out: LaWhoris descending on India

Pakistani kites may fly in Indian skies this Basant
LAHORE: Pakistani kite flyers are thinking of celebrating ‘Basant’ in India after the Lahore High Court didn’t permit them to celebrate it in the Punjab.
Indian kite flying associations of New Delhi and Mumbai had contacted him and asked him to celebrate Basant in their country if the Pakistani government did not allow kite flying. He said that the Indian kite flying associations also told him that they would bear all the expenses of their travel and accommodation. Khalid Malik, Director of Culture Syndicate, told The News that he had also received several invitations from Indian kite flying associations and he would definitely celebrate Basant along with their organisation’s members in India if the government did not permit Basant here.
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Krishnapremi, you are right. The Indian PIC's name is indeed Aranganathan. I am not sure whether the name comes from Srirangam or Chidambaram, but that hardly matters ! He is definitely not to be confused with Aurangzeb !!
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