Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Dec 2011 19:51

I found the following from Khaled Ahmed's article, 'Pathology of a gradual Fall' in TFT quite accurate:

The state reacted by manifesting the following pathology: 1) it went into denial; 2) it developed a 'national consensus' around this denial; 3) it isolated itself in the international community; and 4) it developed the self-damaging aetiology of externalising internal contradictions on to external factors.

If the state is relatively small it must carefully determine who the enemy is and how 'conquerable' it is, given the resources of the state. If the status quo is not to the liking of the state with a limited resource-base, then anti-status quo policies have to be politically framed, not militarily.

The Army put the world at risk through jihad and its consequence: international terrorism.

Philip Bobbit in his book, The Shield Of Achilles: War, Peace and the Course of History (2002), states: 'The strategic thinking of states accustomed to war does not fit them for peace, which requires harmony and trust, nor can such thinking be abandoned without risking a collapse of legitimacy altogether because the State's role in guaranteeing security is the one responsibility that is not being challenged domestically and thus the one to which it clings'.

Today Pakistan's internal sovereignty is under challenge by Al Qaeda. Its external sovereignty is at risk from the isolationism embraced by the Army and the 'national consensus'.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Dec 2011 20:05

JE menon>

My only problem is People MS Iyer, Harsh mander, Rajinder Sachar,Mahesh Bhatt, Kuldip Nayar etc. who are known to have very questionable views with some of them now known to have received funds/ run trusts which we know through ISI fronts find it very easy to the corridors of power in Delhi? My last post on these personalities

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Dec 2011 20:18

Hit for "six' by the Taliban! The O-DIE matches between Pakis and their local "Taliban" rivals,continue with the lalst one being won by the Taliban,who literally hit their opponents for a "sixer".The savage "battibg" by the Talibs was said to be revenge for the Pakis encouraging the Yankees on ,who won another O-DIE against the Talibs,knocking off one of their top leaders with an unplayable ball from a drone! The suspense is rife with the stands crowded to see who wins the next O-DIE,either by IED,drone,or by a suicidal "run"!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... k-soldiers
Pakistani Taliban attack kills six soldiers

Suicide car bomb is second attack in as many days meant to avenge the death of senior commander Taj Gul

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Pakistani Taliban attack kills six soldiers

Suicide car bomb is second attack in as many days meant to avenge the death of senior commander Taj Gu

A Pakistani Taliban suicide bomber rammed a car filled with explosives into a paramilitary camp in north-west Pakistan on Saturday, killing six soldiers, in the second attack in as many days meant to avenge the killing of senior commander in a US drone strike.

The blast caused part of a building to collapse inside the Frontier Corps camp, which was located in Bannu in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, said local police officer Tahir Khan. At least 19 soldiers were wounded in the attack, and rescue workers were searching for additional casualties, he said.

A Taliban spokesman, Ehsanullah Ehsan, claimed responsibility for the attack in a phone call to AP. He said it was meant to avenge the death of commander Taj Gul in a US drone strike in October in the south Waziristan tribal area, a key sanctuary for the militants.

Gul was the Taliban's operational commander in south Waziristan and was responsible for many attacks against security forces.

Around three dozen Pakistani Taliban fighters armed with assault rifles attacked a paramilitary camp in the Tank district near south Waziristan before dawn on Friday, killing one soldier and kidnapping 15 others.

Ehsan, the Taliban spokesman, said on Friday that attack was also meant to avenge Gul's death. The militants targeted the soldiers because of Pakistan's alliance with the US, he said.

Meanwhile, Pakistan's prime minister used a Christmas address on Saturday to downplay rumours of a dangerous rift between the government and the military that threatens to bring down the president after a memo alleging an army plot to seize power.

Yusuf Raza Gilani told reporters at a Christian church in Islamabad he welcomed comments from General Ashfaq Kayani, arguably the most powerful man in Pakistan, that the military had no plans to topple the civilian government.

"The clarification from the army chief yesterday is extremely well taken in the democratic circles," Gilani said on Saturday. "There will definitely be an improvement because of it."

On Friday, Pakistan's military released a statement in which Kayani told his troops the military would continue to support democracy in Pakistan and that any talk the army was planning to take over was speculation.

Rumours have swirled in recent weeks that President Asif Ali Zardari, who left Pakistan for medical treatment in Dubai earlier this month, would be forced out by the military, which ruled Pakistan for almost half of its 64-year history.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 24 Dec 2011 20:19

The Jamestown Foundation
Former Pakistan Army Chief Reveals Intelligence Bureau Harbored Bin Laden in Abbottabad
Publication: Terrorism Monitor Volume: 9 Issue: 47
December 22, 2011 04:19 PM Age: 2 days
By: Arif Jamal

In spite of denials by the Pakistani military, evidence is emerging that elements within the Pakistani military harbored Osama bin Laden with the knowledge of former army chief General Pervez Musharraf and possibly current Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani. Former Pakistani Army Chief General Ziauddin Butt (a.k.a. General Ziauddin Khawaja) revealed at a conference on Pakistani-U.S. relations in October 2011 that according to his knowledge the then former Director-General of Intelligence Bureau of Pakistan (2004 – 2008), Brigadier Ijaz Shah (Retd.), had kept Osama bin Laden in an Intelligence Bureau safe house in Abbottabad. In the same address, he revealed that the ISI had helped the CIA to track him down and kill on May 1. The revelation remained unreported for some time because some intelligence officers had asked journalists to refrain from publishing General Butt’s remarks. [1] No mention of the charges appeared until right-wing columnist Altaf Hassan Qureshi referred to them in an Urdu-language article that appeared on December 8. [2]

In a subsequent and revealing Urdu-language interview with TV channel Dawn News, General Butt repeated the allegation on December 11, saying he fully believed that “[Brigadier] Ijaz Shah had kept this man [Bin Laden in the Abbottabad compound] with the full knowledge of General Pervez Musharraf… Ijaz Shah was an all-powerful official in the government of General Musharraf.” [3] Asked whether General Kayani knew of this, he first said yes, but later reconsidered: “[Kayani] may have known – I do not know – he might not have known.” [4] The general’s remarks appeared to confirm investigations by this author in May 2011 that showed that the Abbottabad compound where bin Laden was captured and killed was being used by a Pakistani intelligence agency (see Terrorism Monitor, May 5). However, General Butt failed to explain why Bin Laden was not discovered even after Brigadier Shah and General Musharraf had left the government.

General Butt was the first head of the Strategic Plans Division of the Pakistan army and the Director General of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) under Nawaz Sharif, Prime Minister of Pakistan from 1990 to 1993, and again from 1997 to 1999. Sharif promoted General Ziauddin Butt to COAS after forcibly retiring General Pervez Musharraf on October 12, 1999, but the army’s top brass revolted against the decision and arrested both Prime Minister Sharif and General Butt while installing Musharraf as the nation’s new chief executive, a post he kept as a chief U.S. ally until resigning in 2008 in the face of an impending impeachment procedure.

Brigadier Shah has been known or is alleged to have been involved in several high profile cases of terrorism. The Brigadier was heading the ISI bureau in Lahore when General Musharraf overthrew Prime Minister Sharif in October 1999. Later, General Musharraf appointed Shah as Home Secretary in Punjab. As an ISI officer he was also the handler for Omar Saeed Sheikh, who was involved in the kidnapping of Wall Street Journal journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002. [5] Omar Saeed Sheikh surrendered to Brigadier Shah who hid him for several weeks before turning him over to authorities. In February 2004, Musharraf appointed Shah as the new Director of the Intelligence Bureau, a post he kept until March 2008 (Daily Times [Lahore] February 26, 2004; Dawn [Karachi] March 18, 2008). The late Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto accused Brigadier Shah, among others, of hatching a conspiracy to assassinate her (The Friday Times [Lahore], February 18-24).

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and the Pakistani top military brass had serious differences on several issues. One of the most serious of these concerned Pakistan’s relations with Osama bin Laden. However, the disastrous1999 Kargil conflict in Kashmir overshadowed all of these. General Butt says that Prime Minister Sharif had decided to cooperate with the United States and track down Bin Laden in 1999. [6] According to a senior adviser to the Prime Minister, the general staff ousted Sharif to scuttle the “get-Osama” plan, among other reasons: “The evidence is that the military regime abandoned that plan.” [7] General Butt corroborates this. In his latest interview, he says that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had constituted a special task force of 90 American-trained commandos to track down Bin Laden in Afghanistan. If the Sharif government had continued on this course, this force would likely have caught Bin Laden by December 2001, but the plan was aborted by Ziauddin Butt’s successor as ISI general director, Lieutenant General Mahmud Ahmed. [8]

Arif Jamal is an independent security and terrorism expert and author of “Shadow War – The Untold Story of Jihad in Kashmir.”

Notes:
1. Author’s telephone interview with an Islamabad journalist who requested anonymity, November 16, 2011.
2. Altaf Hassan Qureshi, “Resetting Pak-U.S. relations” (in Urdu), Jang [Rawalpindi], December 8, 2011. Available at http://e.jang.com.pk/pic.asp?npic=12-08 ... /06_08.gif
3. See “Government – Army - America on Dawn News – 11the Dec 2011 part 2,” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4bYHC2_ ... e=youtu.be
4. Ibid
5. Author’s interview with a security officer who requested anonymity, Islamabad, May 2000.
6. “Government – Army - America on Dawn News –December 11, 2011, part 1,” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4WLtaxxPPw.
7. Author’s interview with a former government minister who requested anonymity, Rawalpindi, February 2006.
8. “Government – Army - America on Dawn News –December 11, 2011, part 1,” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4WLtaxxPPw.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Dec 2011 20:21

Philip wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... k-soldiers
Pakistani Taliban attack kills six soldiers

IED mubarak

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Dec 2011 21:02

SSridhar wrote:Hindus in Pakistan protest against kidnapping for ransom
Pakistan's minority Hindus protested outside Balochistan provincial assembly in Quetta against increasing incidents of abduction of community members for ransom in the province, close on the heels of a young trader's murder after his family failed to pay money to his kidnappers.

Imagine what would have happened in pak had this happened to a Muslim in India..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Dec 2011 22:07

archan wrote: Imagine what would have happened in pak had this happened to a Muslim in India..

The separate Muslim electorate of united India who moved temporarily to the kabila of Pakistan would have got their chaddis in a huge twist.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Dec 2011 22:18

Altair wrote: The revelation remained unreported for some time because some intelligence officers had asked journalists to refrain from publishing General Butt’s remarks.

i.e., only Pakistani journalists were present?

Where was this conference held, who all attended, is there any news-item from October 11 that names the conference?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 24 Dec 2011 22:48

Only expendables are being named so far: Musharraf, Ijaz Shah, IB,etc. Kayani is being kept out, ISI is being kept out - so far, which is utter nonsense. It seems like exoneration time. Very fishy. Why did Khwaja not talk before? He had enough reason to. Why didn't Kayani & co bring Ijaz Shah to book? Was Khalid Khwaja killed because he may have threatened to disclose details?

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 25 Dec 2011 01:06

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 9335.story
Pakistan rejects U.S. findings on attack that killed 24 soldiers
In a response to the Pentagon report, Pakistan's military called it 'short on facts' and questioned its conclusions. Pakistan said it would provide a more detailed reply to the report later.
By Alex Rodriguez, Los Angeles Times
December 23, 2011, 4:46 p.m.
Reporting from Islamabad, Pakistan—
"Pakistan's military on Friday rejected the findings of a Pentagon inquiry that concluded that Pakistan and the United States shared blame for an American-led coalition attack that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers near the Afghan border, severely straining relations between Washington and Islamabad.
In a brief response to the Pentagon report, the Pakistani military called it "short on facts" and questioned its conclusions. Pakistan said it would provide a more detailed reply to the report. Pakistani military officials could not be reached for comment Friday.
Nonetheless, it appeared unlikely that the U.S. investigation of the Nov. 26 incident would resolve the latest in a series of major crises plaguing the beleaguered Washington-Islamabad alliance. Infuriated by the attack, Pakistan shut down border crossings used by convoys delivering supplies to NATO forces in Afghanistan, and ordered the United States to vacate an air base in southern Pakistan believed to have been used by the CIA to launch drone attacks......."
Gautam

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Dec 2011 01:43

Purity arriving with Bang

The Christmas of today, much as everything else in Karachi, has changed immensely. The decorations and props are replaced by metal detectors, police patrol cars and scanners.For Jennifer Marshall, who was blessed to see the golden age of festive joys in Karachi, the spirit of coexistence topped everything else.“Christmas was exciting back then because we were much younger,” she reminisces.“We would go to our neighbours’ doors and sing Christmas carols, regardless of their religious orientations. We always felt welcomed and were invited in for slice of cake or any other form of sweet. Unfortunately, this does not happen anymore because there is so much fear and sense of insecurity.”A large chunk of Pakistan’s Christian community has migrated to the West in search of a better standard of living, job opportunities and better security, resulting in relatively smaller Christmas gatherings.Christmas Eve, in those days, was the most exciting part of the year for the Marshalls.“After the midnight mass, families and friends would get together, chitchat and enjoy.”“Our house would be the brightest and most decorated in the neighbourhood and attracted a lot of attention,” she recalls with pride.

Jingle bell ,jinge bomb, Jingle Jeehadi way
How much Fun is to watch the Pakhiz
Wasting life away !!

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 Dec 2011 01:51

Suggestion for addition to BRF dictionary:

Jarnailist - journalist / columnist who is on the payroll of GHQ, who toes GHQ line. Eg: Ejaz Haider.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Dec 2011 04:08

Another Chinese Conferred with Hiladey Pukistan

I wonder if there is anyone in the CPC Central Committee left who has not yet been awarded this hard to get award?

Dai Bingguo, State Councillor of China

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Dec 2011 06:27

If Gen. Ziauddin Butt is saying all these at the behest of Nawaz Sharif hoping that would help the latter's cause by villifying the PA, IMO, that would do just the opposite. The Pakistani abduls will now think highly of the PA (and even a much hated Musharraf) for having kept OBL out of the reach of the Americans for so long. The better the perfidy, the greater the support a Pakistani leader (civilian or military) will get from the people. This is the immutable DNA of Pakistan.

Nawaz Sharif may not gain anything politically from this revelation. He can turn it around against the PPP by orchestrating a campaign that the unpatriotic, anti-Pakistani PPP sold out to the Americans by revealing the whereabouts of OBL to the CIA. In fact, one may not be surprised if the PA starts such a rumour in its on-going all out war against Zardari. The OBL Investigation Team set up by Gilani (and dominated by the PA) seems to be doing precisely that.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Dec 2011 07:03

A few days back, Gilani said this in their National Assembly

The prime minister reminded that it was his government which had stood by the security forces over the Osama Bin Laden killing and the 2008 attacks in Mumbai.

In both instances, everyone knows that the PA was helping the jihadi terrorists. So, what did Gilani mean by the above ? He was angry with the PA and blurted out the truth.

After Kayani announced yesterday that the PA had no immediate plans to send PPP packing, Gilani said this yesterday.

The military and civilian leadership were on the same page for the last four years on issues of terrorism, Pakistan-US relations and Kashmir, he added.

Gilani is openly admitting to his government's support for PA's terrorism.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 25 Dec 2011 09:10

Pakistani crowds stealing chairs,banners,flags from politician Imran Khan's rally

Must Watch!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 25 Dec 2011 09:43

Philip wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... k-soldiers
Pakistani Taliban attack kills six soldiers

what went wrong between them? Who fired first? How the coordination between them went so wrong? Will pakistan demand compensation from taliban? I say president of Taliban must personally apologize to paki army. (lets send a petition to CF to take up this case).

Anyway, before jumping to any conclusion I will wait for a detailed investigation report from Taliban.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Dec 2011 09:58

Our resident creep in full cry.

Fai is our ambassador, says Geelani

Sun Dec 25 2011, 01:54 hrs Srinagar:

The Hurriyat hardliners on Saturday called for the release of jailed Pakistan lobbyist Ghulam Nabi Fai and resolved to “support his cause”. The call for Fai’s release was made in a resolution passed at a seminar organised by the separatists. The seminar was also addressed by Fai’s US-based spokesman Sareer Fazili.

“He is our ambassador,” Hurriyat hardliner Syed Ali Shah Geelani said at the seminar ‘Why Fai is being persecuted’. The seminar was organised by Geelani’s Hurriyat to support Fai, a US citizen of Kashmiri origin with alleged ISI links who was arrested in the US for illegally lobbying for Pakistan in the country. “He (Fai) should not feel alone. We are here to support him.”

The seminar was telephonically addressed by Sareer Fazili, the spokesman for the US-based Kashmir American Council (KAC). In his address, Fazili refuted the claims that Fai has pleaded guilty of being an ISI agent. “He has not pleaded guilty. That charge (of being ISI agent) has been withdrawn by US.”

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Dec 2011 11:35

Pakistan complaining against Santa now. Poaks claim that when Santa say Ho Ho Ho , he is pointing finger at Pakiland.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 25 Dec 2011 11:56

http://www.Yawn.com/2011/12/25/firdous- ... ister.html

Wazeera-e-Lota tenders her resignation from pakhana cabinet.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 25 Dec 2011 12:00

Winter of discontent: With ifs and buts, Kayani quells coup rumours

By Kamran Yousaf
Published: December 23, 2011

Pakistan's army chief General Ashfaq Kayani has ruled out a military takeover in the country. PHOTO: AFP/FILE

ISLAMABAD: It appears the turn of the year will not witness a coup d’état, though there has been much coup de théâtre.

On Friday, army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani categorically denied rampant speculation that the military is planning to oust the civilian government, calling the rumours ‘misleading’ and an attempt to divert focus from the ‘real issues’ at hand.

His unprecedented remarks came just a day after Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani launched a rare public attack on the army, accusing ‘conspirators’ of plotting to bring down his government. Kayani made the statements during a visit to forward posts in Mohmand and Kurram agencies on Thursday – but his comments were released by the military 24 hours later.

The army chief unambiguously silenced talk of a coup. He said that the Pakistan Army had and will continue to support the democratic process in the country. “The army is fully cognisant of its constitutional obligations and responsibilities,” he insisted.

Despite his dismissal of the rumours, Gen Kayani stressed that issues of national security need to be considered on merit alone. In remarks interpreted by some as an indication the army is still keeping its options open, Kayani also emphasised that national security should never be compromised.

In fact, sources hint at further distrust between the army and the government. A military official told The Express Tribune that the Pakistan Peoples Party-led government wanted to become a ‘political martyr’ by spreading talk of a possible coup.

According to the official, who asked not to be named, the real cause of the government’s ‘frustration’ is the army’s tough stance on the secret memo sent in May seeking Washington’s help to rein in the country’s security establishment.

“The government wants the army to brush the issue under the carpet,” the source claimed. “The army will not backtrack on it and will want to see the memo issue investigated thoroughly.” The official confirmed that a coup was not on the cards, disclosing that the army top brass have decided to resist any direct intervention, despite their annoyance with the prime minister’s tirade.

However, the army will back the Supreme Court as it continues investigations into the Memogate, even if it ultimately leads to the ouster of President Asif Zardari and the government.

Kayani himself seemed displeased with some of the prime minister’s comments. In a clear reference to Gilani’s remarks that his government had raised salaries in the army despite tough economic conditions, the army chief said that no one can put a “price tag on the sacred blood” of those who fight for the nation.

“The men and women of the Pakistan Army are performing their duty of defending Pakistan in accordance with the oath they took. They will continue to do so with the support and prayers of their countrymen, regardless of the cost,” he said.

Although few believe the military has the appetite for a coup, speculation has refused to die out that Zardari could be pushed from the presidency.

Military sources told Reuters on Friday that the army is fed up with Zardari and wants him out of office.

Increased salaries - for increase in loyalty to Kiyani, this just further confirms the problems of loyalty in the army.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Dec 2011 12:20

abhijitm wrote:
Philip wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... k-soldiers
Pakistani Taliban attack kills six soldiers
what went wrong between them? Who fired first? How the coordination between them went so wrong? Will pakistan demand compensation from taliban? I say president of Taliban must personally apologize to paki army. (lets send a petition to CF to take up this case).

Anyway, before jumping to any conclusion I will wait for a detailed investigation report from Taliban.

I think there was miscommunication. The Taliban fed in the wrong GPS coordinates. They had tried to warn the Pakhani soldiers with a loud low level AllahuAkbar pass.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 25 Dec 2011 12:37

^^^

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Dec 2011 12:43

Does anybody remembers that today is Jinnah's B'Day?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 25 Dec 2011 12:51

chaanakya wrote:Does anybody remembers that today is Jinnah's B'Day?

And Atal Bihari Vajpayee's.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 25 Dec 2011 13:23

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/world ... &ref=world
Car Bomber Kills Soldiers in Pakistan
By SALMAN MASOOD
Published: December 24, 2011
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A suicide car bomber drove a vehicle packed with explosives into a building used by paramilitary forces in northwestern Pakistan early on Saturday, killing at least six soldiers and wounding 11 others, police officials said.
The attack took place near the town of Bannu, in the Bannu tribal region 25 miles east of North Waziristan. The paramilitary troops, known as Tochi Scouts, are deployed mainly in North Waziristan, the rugged mountainous region that is part of Pakistan’s tribal area and that has been a stronghold of militants.
The attack broke a lull in the suicide attacks that have ravaged the country in recent years, and the Taliban were quick to claim responsibility. It was another reminder that an Islamist insurgency remains a viable threat even as Pakistan careens from an internal political crisis, with rumors of a possible military coup, to a diplomatic one with the United States over an errant airstrike......"
Gautam

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 25 Dec 2011 13:48

[url=xxxhttp://www.dawn.com/2011/12/25/city-abuzz-over ... unami.html]hold your chairs, mian Imran is in Karachi town[/url]

“We have placed chairs and arranged of mats as well for people at the venue,” said Firdaus Shamim Naqvi, a senior PTI leader.

“Each and every object inside the venue is under surveillance — whether it`s the stage or entrances. The PTI has itself arranged walkthrough gates that would also be manned by police.”

Apart from the police arrangements, armed youngsters were also seen at the rally venue. Some PTI activists told Dawn that they were party workers and deployed as part of the security measures taken by the PTI on its own.

looks like last time PTI pre-paid the chairs in Kasur rally

. I think Imran should promise in his manifesto to give free chair to everyone in his chair-deprived country. He will win the election before election.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Dec 2011 13:56

Gilani, on his support to the Terrorist Pakistani Army

He said the government firmly stood with the institutions and fully protected them after the Mumbai incident. "I even sacked Gen (Retd) Mahmood Durrani for giving an irresponsible statement on the issue."

Too many glaring mistakes. Now that the connection between the serving and retired Army officers of PA and the LeT jihadi terrorists is out in the open, what does Gilani mean by his 'standing firm behind the Army' ? Secondly, what was so irresponsible about what the then NSA Gen. Durrani said regarding the nationality of Kasab ?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Dec 2011 14:05

abhijitm wrote:looks like last time PTI pre-paid the chairs in Kasur rally . I think Imran should promise in his manifesto to give free chair to everyone in his chair-deprived country. He will win the election before election.

The police is needed for general security in pakistan, even new politicians knows now. Otherwise people are too 'wild'.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 25 Dec 2011 14:29

There is some speculation that Ms.Fatima Bhutto (niece of BB) is joining PTI today. Here is a link:
URL: http://www.jangdailynews.com/fatima-bhu ... g-pti.html

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 25 Dec 2011 15:30

I would love to hear Hakim saab's piskoanalysis of Paki crowd who stole plastic chairs and cloth banners at Imran Khan's rally. What do you make of it Dr?

I have seen such madness near food packets ad rations but for plastic chairs?? I suppose there is a first time for everything!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Dec 2011 17:02

Altair wrote:I would love to hear Hakim saab's piskoanalysis of Paki crowd who stole plastic chairs and cloth banners at Imran Khan's rally. What do you make of it Dr?

I have seen such madness near food packets ad rations but for plastic chairs?? I suppose there is a first time for everything!

LOL! Altair you and I and everyone else knows that this is simple looting. What I don't know is whether chairs are supplied for political meetings arranged by anyone else. I for one have rarely seen chairs in mass political rallies where mango man is trucked in. The second thing is the presence or absence of goons. No goons, no discipline. Normally it would be police. But not in Pakhanaland.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 25 Dec 2011 18:21

CIA has suspended drone attacks in Pakistan, U.S. officials say

Code: Select all

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pakistan-cia-drone-20111224,0,4561079.story

In an effort to mend badly frayed relations with Pakistan, the CIA has suspended drone missile strikes on gatherings of low-ranking militants believed to be involved in cross-border attacks on U.S. troops or facilities in Afghanistan, current and former U.S. officials say.

The need to drone the high ranking militants at GHQ instead of the easily replaceable footies

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 25 Dec 2011 18:25

As Shiv et al predicted , the so called sooper duper power is actually a pussy footed donkey .

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 25 Dec 2011 18:45

gakakkad wrote:As Shiv et al predicted , the so called sooper duper power is actually a pussy footed donkey .

Hence saved the Left Testimonial!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Dec 2011 20:23

I think Iran still takes up bulk of the media space devoted to dems Vs reps hot air debates on foreign policy. TSP hardly figures. Thats itself should tell you that down hill sking going on to save TSP's H&D and retain the status quo.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Dec 2011 20:28

gakakkad wrote:As Shiv et al predicted , the so called sooper duper power is actually a pussy footed donkey .

Read that article again. US is toying with TSP. Its clear to all of us that US does not want to destroy TSP, and what it wants is a TSP that would do its bidding to the last dot.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 25 Dec 2011 21:05

Hero Marine Sues Defense Giant After Sniper Scope Fight

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/11 ... dangerroom

The penny is slowly dropping!!!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 25 Dec 2011 21:28

CRamS wrote: Read that article again. US is toying with TSP. Its clear to all of us that US does not want to destroy TSP, and what it wants is a TSP that would do its bidding to the last dot.

Could be, but it is still the tail wagging the dog. And dog is stupid, not a super power.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2011 21:43

well it was always clear the US has no stomach to tackle a country the size of Af with 1 mil armed forces but more importantly atleast another 15 mil armed fanatics to harass the occupier. they are having a rough time with few towns in Af and isolated firebases supplied at great cost by air.

once we accept this basic truth - everything is about to what degree they will compromise and bribe TSP/