AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Oct 2013 02:56

Bharathi Reddy’s Testimony : There is no GOD like Our GOD

Basically YSR family belongs to Christianity , There is nothing wrong being any caste or religion , but being a politician there should be some limitations while sharing their regional feelings.

Whenever BJP show concern for the rights of the Hindus, People starts banding it as communal party and they kept it out of power even though its not that corrupt compared to Congress.

And MIM party makes controversial comments on Hindus and provoke their religion people against Hindus, still claim itself as secular and cry on BJP & its supporting parties to brand them as communal.

Recently, YSRCP president Jagan advised Modi to stop creating insecurity in the minds of Muslims and said to bring every party on to the secular platform in the interest of the country. He also said, Religion is something personal. Why should religion be politicised ?

He has to answer first, why his family is promoting his religion by uploading Bharathi Reddy’s Testimony on to youtube,Lets say, even that is acceptable and Nobody is questioning her faith, But the fact is , YS Jagan wife Bharathi made derogatory statement targeting other religions GODs. She said, ”There is no GOD like Our GOD who works on behalf of those who wait for him“.

What does Bharathi Reddy want to convey to public ?, Other religion GODs does not work on behalf of those who wait for them ? or There are no other GOD at all ?

Even YS.Rajashekar Reddy before his death announced the temple city Tirupati has only two mountains that belongs to Lord Venkateswara not seven mountains and was very much excited to build a church like vatican city on other mountain, later dropped the idea after facing wrath of Hindus. All these clearly indicate that, if YSRCP comes to power in next elections , it might convert Andhra Pradesh into vatican city.

Before Jagan teaches other parties to be secular but why can’t he teach his family members to do the same ?, His mother Vijayamma holds a bible in her hand and attends public meetings and says it gives her strength and confidence and their media ‘Sakshi’ sees no fault in that, whereas if any other party leader ( say Chandrababu ) does that same holding Mahabharata or Ramayana as he belongs to Hindu religion. Will this so called biased pamphlet paper of YSRCP or their big mouths in the party keep quiet without criticising Chandrababu or others ?.

Its really shame to have politicians who want to divide the people for votes playing religion / caste card . People someday must realize the fact .

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Oct 2013 03:26

RSS pulls up State BJP leaders for ‘T’ bias

The State Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leaders recently got the stick from the RSS for neglecting the party’s interests in the Seemandhra in their anxiety to achieve the separate Telangana goal.

Seemandhra leaders of the party, who are incensed over the party’s one-sided stand, met BJP president Rajnath Singh in New Delhi on Wednesday and urged him to exert pressure on the Centre to address the concerns of the people in that region when the Telangana Bill came up for discussion in Parliament.

RSS functionaries held a meeting some time ago with State BJP leaders when they reviewed the ongoing agitation in Seemandhra. They reportedly told the State leaders that while geographical bifurcation was acceptable “division of hearts” was not good for the country.

They reportedly questioned how a national party could neglect a region which has 25 Lok Sabha and 175 Assembly seats and why the State BJP leadership failed to restore confidence among the people in Seemandhra where the BJP offices were ransacked at 19 places. They sought to know if State BJP president G. Kishan Reddy was in a position to tour that region.

During the meet, the Seemandhra BJP leaders criticised some State leaders for using the language of TRS and pointed out that representatives of a national party they could ill-afford to do it. Subsequently, it was decided that leaders from both the regions should meet Mr. Rajnath Singh at Delhi on the issue.

However, following objections from Seemandhra functionaries, leaders from Telangana, including Mr. Kishan Reddy, much to his discomfiture, dropped the idea of accompanying them to Delhi.

Meanwhile, the Central party is planning to create two units after the Union Cabinet approves the note on bifurcation of the State,

A press release issued by the BJP central party office said party functionaries from Seemandhra also met veteran leader L.K. Advani, M. Venkaiah Naidu, Arun Jaitley and others. They exhorted the national leaders to exert pressure on the Centre to address the genuine concerns of Seemandhra people with regard to capital, sharing of river waters, revenue, problems of government employees, and safety and security of people settled in Hyderabad.

While accusing the Congress of mishandling the Telangana issue from the beginning, it said “while standing committed to creation of Telangana, the BJP will work hard to ensure inter-regional equity is maintained.”.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Oct 2013 03:32

Naidu to sit on hunger strike in Delhi from Oct 7

Telugu Desam Party chief N Chandrababu Naidu will launch an indefinite hunger-strike in New Delhi from October 7 to protest against the Union Cabinet's decision to bifurcate Andhra Pradesh.

"The Congress has ruined the country and left Andhra Pradesh in disaster. It has sought to divide the state without addressing the concerns of Telugu people. Hence, I am sitting on indefinite fast to expose the Congress," Naidu announced at a press conference here on Friday night.

"I will draw the attention of all parties at the national level to the crisis created by the Congress in AP. The Congress has entered into a match-fixing with TRS and YSRC and conspired to divide AP. I am launching a political fight to expose the Congress on this," he said.

The Congress ministers and MPs themselves were speaking about the "clandestine deal" it struck with the YSRC, he alleged and added that the ruling party could not convince its own leaders on the state bifurcation issue.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Congress president Sonia Gandhi should answer them (Congress leaders from Seemandhra), he said.

"The script is being written in New Delhi and these people (TRS and YSRC) are acting here," he lashed out.

The Congress has totally overlooked the 66-day agitation by the people of Seemandhra region and made no effort to resolve the crisis, the TDP chief said.

"What was the Antony Committee, appointed by the AICC, doing for over 60 days now? Could it not talk to all the concerned and try to find a solution to the problem," he asked.

With the announcement of poll schedule in five states, the Congress leadership would be busy in the next three months, he said. "When will they resolve the AP crisis?" he further asked.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Oct 2013 03:36

Congress bets on Telangana to divide and rule

By bifurcating Andhra Pradesh, Congress is hoping for a polarization on the statehood issue that could give it electoral gains in the region, which has 17 Lok Sabha seats.

For a party in the doldrums since the death of its mascot YS Rajasekhara Reddy, Congress has sought to unfurl the emotive statehood issue to trump the mundane concerns over governance — caught as it has been in a four-year paralysis between Jaganmohan Reddy's rebellion and an agitated Telangana.

The party, reconciled to losing Coastal-Rayalaseema region, hopes that statehood will rescue it in Telangana and give it a chunk of the state's 42 seats that made the two UPA regimes possible.

Damodar Rajanarsimha, deputy chief minister of Andhra Pradesh, told TOI, "Telangana will stand by Congress. We will sweep the elections in the new state."

It marks a calculated gamble on the part of Congress though. As the opposition of ministers K S Rao and Pallam Raju at the Cabinet meeting shows, Congress is staring at a wipeout in 25 seats of Seemandhra. In Telangana too, it will have to strike a deal with an ambitious TRS chief K Chandrasekhara Rao to avoid losses.

Congress has also embarked on the T course with some long-term objectives. A key concern is the attempt to repair the credibility of the Congress chief on whose name the Centre announced statehood in December 2009 before dashing the hopes of millions by revoking the decision.

Also, the gratitude for Congress in Telangana will check the growth of the marginal BJP. In anti-T Seemandhra, a BJP tie-up with TDP of Chandrababu Naidu may hurt the latter because of the saffron outfit's pro-statehood stance.

An optimistic Congress is looking at a "best-case scenario" in its crumbling fort. While the party aims to win the assembly polls in Telangana, it hopes the rebel outfit YSR Congress will be the principal force in Seemandhra but, in a three-way division of votes, will require Congress support to fulfill Jaganmohan's CM aspirations.

If that happens, Congress may end up ruling both the states created out of Andhra Pradesh.

The question, however, is what if Jagan sweeps the coastal state on his own in both Lok Sabha and assembly polls and is up for grabs. That may leave Congress groping for answers, especially if it is not in a position to form the government at the Centre.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Oct 2013 03:47

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Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 05:45

Talk separate Andra Nation is slowly coming forward. This may be how unwinding of mafia ruled India will start. BJP I am sorry to say played a part. You can not insult 5 crore plus people in this manner and all their MP s and leaders openly saying that party is important to them and so on. Let them have their party and let the people will find their own way. Kicked out of their capital 3rd time in 60 years. May be India failed just like mafia said AP failed. Unlike other places AP has vast coastal line. It does not need rest of India for anything other than river water. There are established international norms for that. So basically Andra Nation can survive without Delhi.

We have failed to create Bharat till date. Those who claim to work for Bharat like SS turned out to be anti Andra people. Seads for destruction of the Bharat nation now planted by mafia. Now there is no need to oppose Gurkha land or greater nagaland etc. Vote calculations are paramount consideration. May be mafia try for Sowrastra next time. It would be interesting to see BJP reaction to such demand.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Oct 2013 06:04

Separate Andhra Nation??? That is the most Paki idea I have heard in past couple of years.

How do they plan to win Telangana back, by going to war with Rest of Bharat? Whose support would they take in that effort, Pakistan or China or USA or Italy?

And these morons are going to vote for YSRCP as a first step toward separate Andhra Nation?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Oct 2013 06:08

Sri CBN's hunger strike is not a good move for sri CBN. Sorry to say he is no Potti Sriramulu. Sri CBN is good but not that good.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Oct 2013 06:10

matrimc wrote:Sri CBN's hunger strike is not a good move for sri CBN. Sorry to say he is no Potti Sriramulu. Sri CBN is good but not that good.

+108

Unfortunately the media will play it as another one of his dramas for he cannot be Sri Potti Sriramulu.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Oct 2013 06:18

RamaY wrote:Separate Andhra Nation??? That is the most Paki idea I have heard in past couple of years.

Thanks for a really good post. Cashmere Shawl transforms into Dharmavaram shAluvA and article 370 maps to article 666. Well done, seemandhra. "vishAkha ukku" can be exported to Japan (not Jagan as Sri Narayn Rao's phablet keeps correcting the name) and Bangla and get their support in return. Why not?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 06:36

Wait for 2014 sir, we may have BJP dancing with Jagan or UPA3. I hope CBN win handsomely and unless he brings out the mafia plus YSRC drama he will not. That is what is he is doing.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 06:42

P. SRIRAMULU is a evil monster and looter as per the approved history of mafia. Don't take his name.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Oct 2013 06:47

If GoI calls CBN's bluff then what? He is too good a man to die young like Potti Sriramulu. He has done a lot for AP (may be not all of AP but certainly for Hyderabad). I was surprised (pleasantly, i.e.) to know he was reasonably popular across India. But he frittered his chances away carelessly. Let us see. dEkhA jAyega.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Oct 2013 07:17

1/ congress places bill in parliament before elections
1.1/ BjP supports the bill and Telangana forms.
1.1.1/ TRS merges with Congress and congress sweeps Telangana
----- Then what can YSJ do with his samaikhyandra agitation without significant presence in Telangana?
----- In SA it will be YSJ Vs TDP and TDP can convince people that YSRCP is nothing but pilla congress.
1.1.2/ TRS doesn't merge with congress
----- congress advantage
----- TRS advantage (assuming there are still some unmet demands
----- In SA it is still between YSJ and TDP and YSRCP can be shown as pilla congress

1.2/ BJP doesn't support the bill and Telangana doesn't form
----- BJP advantage in SA, even more so if TDP allies with it
----- Congress still loses SA, for it put the bill in parliament
----- YSRCP advantage for it can claim to fight for Samaikhyandra
----- TDP disadvantage for unless BJP allies with it.

2/ Congress doesn't put bill in parliament before elections
----- BJP advantage in Telangana for it can claim it will support T, even more so with an alliance with TRS
----- TRS advantage
----- Congress loses Telangana game
----- Not sure if Congress can convince SA public that it is for Samaikhyandra
----- YSRCP advantage in SA, especially if allies with congress covertly
----- TDP advantage if it can convince people that this is all a game of INC+YSRCP

So not easy to calculate the political outcomes yet.

JMHT

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Oct 2013 07:31

So my info about Modi was right. Two separate units for the two states. RSS and other regional BJP leaders are serious about Andhra.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 07:54

BJP has betrayed Andhra under Kishan Reddy. There is no two opinions. Unlike NM, Kishan Reddy never stopped insults on people. Never stopped joining with naxals. He knows the anger his actions causing because his meeting was protested about 3 months back in coastal AP. BJP workers beat up the protesters. I was one of witness for this drama. Yet Bjp never tried to tone down the insults. BJP state unit and Ss like d4 leaders are as guilty as mafia for this division of people.

Rama Y says this is a Pakistan idea. True. So is art 370 like ideas, Naxal liberated zones, land of the pure, are also no longer far fetched and Pakistan type ideas. Such paki things are done by BJP and some more will be done in future also. But for NM there is no reason to support BJP. I rather support CBN any day.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Oct 2013 08:32

and telangANa people were called "pAkIs".

bhavani · Post by **bhavani** » 05 Oct 2013 08:53

The whole thing in Andhra is a Mess. Most folks in Andhra wont have issue with Telangana. The following things made matters worse

1. Kangressi guys could have at least convened all parties from state and should have put an action plan, stating the new capital, Money that would be allocated for the new capital etc, water division etc. There was no prior discussion or planning.
2. There are rumors going around in Andhra folks in hyderabad, that they will have to leave Hyd, Even people who have settled there for some time like 15-20 years are fearing that they will have to leave hyd.
3. There are rumors going around that even private companies and software companies in hyd, will not be recruiting Andhra Students anymore.
4. Neither of the Big 2 parties Kangress or BJP supporting or negotiating a settlement on the side of Andhra folks, they are feeling really helpless. The fear is running really high. If no body cares for Andhra folks, why should they care for the rest.
5. The statements of KCR and TRS guys did not help either.
6. There are too many unsolved questions. like educational quotas, Majority of APSEB, APSRTC, State government employees etc belong to AP, how will they divide them. There was zero planning.
This is just a gambit by Sonia mano in terms of seat numbers. She does not care for any people, Telangana, or Andhra.

RamaY: I think your calculation is wrong in the sense that you are over estimating the reach of BJP in andhra. Irrespective of Telangana forms or not, In any calculation BJP will not make any major gains in Andhra.

I think it suits us as Andhra folks for blindly voting for Congress in the last few elections. CBN was the last good CM we had.

Plight of us Andhra folks is pretty bad, we got attached to Chennai, that was removed, then we got attached to Hyderabad, now thats gone. we have no proper airport in Andhra region. All we have are a bunch of relatives in USA and rest of world.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 05 Oct 2013 08:57

ashashi wrote:
chaanakya wrote: In NDA rule, It was TDP which had seats and not BJP. When TDP lost magnificently in 2004 all seats went to INC.
In 2004 TDP lost because of the rural farmer vote. TDP ignore the farmer plight.

Yes, its TDP and not BJP. As of now CBN stock is down and he is not part of NDA, unreliable as he is.

Now I am depressed that UPA-III might become reality.

Hope your tablet does not work else UPA-III would be a reality.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Oct 2013 09:23

Anti-bifurcation agitation in AP begins to take a violent turn

As agitators of political parties and Samakhyarashtra Parirakshana Samathi attacked Central Government offices in Kadapa, agitation opposing bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh took a violent turn on Friday, thus putting 65 days of peaceful protest to an end.

Railway reservation counters were attacked while computers, server systems, LCD TVs and glass panels broken at Kadapa railway station, after which the railway police arrested three persons.

Jayanti Janata Express, Arrakonam-Kadapa passenger train and a goods train were stopped for 30 minutes to one and half hours respectively at Kodur after Kodur MLA Srinivasulu led more than a thousand agitators, the police said.

SV Junior College window panes were broken when agitators threw stones at Kodur, while stones were pelted at private buses, damaging their window panes at Proddatur and Kadapa towns.

Agitators attacked and damaged Indira Bhavan, Congress party’s Kadapa district office, while Congress workers burnt party flags and closed their office at Pulivendula.

Meanwhile, a police intelligence officer told sources that violence is likely to increase in the coming days, adding that additional forces would be deployed.

disha · Post by **disha** » 05 Oct 2013 09:48

bhavani wrote: I think it suits us as Andhra folks for blindly voting for Congress in the last few elections. ~~CBN~~ NTR was the last good CM we had.

Plight of us Andhra folks is pretty bad, we got attached to Chennai, that was removed, then we got attached to Hyderabad, now thats gone. we have no proper airport in Andhra region. All we have are a bunch of relatives in USA and rest of world.

Corrected. And when you have a bunch of relatives in USA/Rest of world - why do you care?

Anyway, this agitation is going to go for a while and at the end, Andhra will vote in for Jagan and he is nothing but Congress B. Telangana will vote in for CongIs and the game will continue.

Andhra first should stop being tactical and start looking at Gujarat and start being strategic. It takes a decade or two before a national alternative emerges.

Andhra should junk CBN, he is useless - just knows how to do powerpoint presentation and digitize corruption. Gets drunk by his own coolaid. And it was under CBN's sickular cool-aid EJ'ism started coming into fray. How did all the manna from US/wall-street/etc came through for CBN?

Andhra should also junk all the local leaders - unless they are the stature of NTR or they have clearly aligned with one or the other major party (read CongI or BJP). Else they can use the NOTA (NO Tenable Alternative) btns on the voting machine. Otherwise they will be still led the garden path.

BJP here really failed to read the tea leaves. They could have had a credible alternative in Andhra if they had worked towards it at the ground level and at the state level they could have roped in one or two visible movie star. Venkaiah naidu is good but has been sidelined thanks to his own goof up in the defense bribery. After that no credible leader has emerged from BJP stables in Andhra.

Even a not so strong leader could ride the NaMo wave in Andhra and give BJP a viable option.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 10:00

Mafia and BJP under Kishan Reddy did that. Later NM tried to repair the damage. But that was undone. Now no one listen to BJP in 25 MP seats. CBN is trying to bring out mafia game plan BJP should have asked mafia to get State mafia unit on board before proceeding further and why their ministers are opposing the division. It don't do that. In fact there is a golden opportunity to take mafia to task. bjp in ap did nothing. In fact as per the reports Kishan Reddy and his group are opposing pact with cbn. They now dream they can win handsomely in telangana. They ignore efforts made by NM to bring cbn on board and ignore to need to stop mafia plan in AP. Telugu people stupidity is under exhibit here.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 10:09

Disha ji, CBN is better than any of CMs from Bjp except NM. 7 years of drought in AP and his refusal to give free power ended in his defeat. His mistake was to go liberal and secular after 2004. Hebis slowly trying to correct that. Hope he does that.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Oct 2013 10:19

matrimc wrote:and telangANa people were called "pAkIs".

yup, funny isn't it. even a BRAdmin got away with calling T-vadis "Pakis".
nobody said anything then. not a word at all. and now the same people want an "Andhra nation".

good luck!

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 05 Oct 2013 10:42

Congress is making a huge mess of the Telangana issue. But then Congress thrives on creating division. And AP it seems is devoid of the leadership it needs in such critical times.

By the way Telangana being such an emotive issue on both sides, why was the Referendum option never explored. This would have included Hyderabad too. The preferences of people residing in Telangana region would have been amply clear by now.

For future statehood movements, this referendum option should be exercised. The destiny of millions cannot be decided by the whims and fancies of a few.

disha · Post by **disha** » 05 Oct 2013 10:56

Narayana Rao wrote:Disha ji, CBN is better than any of CMs from Bjp except NM. 7 years of drought in AP and his refusal to give free power ended in his defeat. His mistake was to go liberal and secular after 2004. Hebis slowly trying to correct that. Hope he does that.

Going secular was the biggest mistake. He lost all constituency.

Yes there were droughts and there were farmer deaths and yes he was the poster boy of WB. Instead of taking WB loans to create check dams across the state of AP, for example, CBN wanted to mint money by buying up land cheaply near madhopur/gachibowly to create the IT-Vity.

Yes, CBN created IT-Vity in Hyd'bad but was so taken by his own hubris that he totally ignored the strident campaign by several CongI paid newspapers like Deccan Chronicle on the suicide deaths of farmers.

More farmers committed suicide in the YSR years than the CBN years on average, but never - never did CBN step out from his WB poster boy image to make a comment on the farmer's suicide. In vast areas of Adilabad, Karimnagar, Warangal - he did not realize that his base is withering away.

And under his very nose, the EJ'ism took root. There were daily calls in several grounds of curing the people of their ills by the EJ's and what did he do? He was playing politics in Chittoor - trying to setup a parallel infrastructure under TDP bypassing the state's - not sure what his motives there was. But right under his very nose the ground was shifting.

IMVHO, WB made CBN from a poster boy to a EJ whipped posterior boy!

disha · Post by **disha** » 05 Oct 2013 11:21

Yes, CBN was a failure. A massive failure.

He got an excellent mandate in 98/99 and there was the NDA government in center and he could have ruthlessly done the following:

1. Take out the wind out of communists and EJ'vadis
2. Taken care of the farmers who were reeling from drought. Why did not he think of projects like Jalayagnam?
3. Developed other cities - why concentrate only on Hyderabad? Could he not have given sops to other areas - like Vizag, Bejwada, Kadapa, Tirupati.

But no, he was busy being the poster boy of US with all the visits by Tony and Bill going to his head.

CBN, rode an anti-congress wave and came to power - in effect he was riding ABV's coat tails when he came to power - little realizing that he has zero persona outside of waves. Even now, he is riding the NaMo wave. Nothing wrong in riding a wave on somebody's coat tails but one should realize their capabilities. In 2009 itself CBN should have realized where things are headed.

It was the intranicine CongI fight which took YSR out of equation. Otherwise, at this stage we would be still counting 42 seats for CongI.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 05 Oct 2013 11:46

A stone crushing facility belonging to the Botsa family destroyed in Gajapatinagaram. Anti-Telangana protests are taking a very violent turn. Congis at the receiving end of the violence in SeemaAndhra region.

http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2013/ ... pdates.htm

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Oct 2013 11:54

hindsight is 20/20.

in these moments it's important not to hang everything on the whipping boy. first it was BJP which was culprit for everything.

now, it's CBN. CBN fell ultimately due to his own flaws. but don't hang all the blame on him. he deserves some of it, yes. not all.

vina · Post by **vina** » 05 Oct 2013 12:13

nageshks wrote:A stone crushing facility belonging to the Botsa family destroyed in Gajapatinagaram. Anti-Telangana protests are taking a very violent turn. Congis at the receiving end of the violence in SeemaAndhra region.

http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2013/ ... pdates.htm

Hmm. Now this Seemandhra agitation is turning into a farce. Cutting your own nose to spite yourself!

If my memory is correct, please correct if wrong, it was the govt under YSR in his first term that promised the Telengana thing in it's election manifesto wasn't it ? Now why is the YSR C , now opposing that ? Is YSRC now opposing YSR ?

Come on guys, this Seemandhra vs Telengana thing is a joke. Heavens haven't fallen and no, they will not fall. You will continue to live and work and thrive in Hyderabad or anywhere in Telengana (just as you can anywhere in India) and vice versa. There are umpteen number of Hindi speaking states, there are two Tamil speaking states (TN and Pondicherry , leaving out Yanam , okay FOUR Tamil Speaking states across 2 countries if you include the northern and eastern provinces of Sri Lanka) . Take a chill pill, ignore this political drama by the YSRC , TDP, Kangress, BJP and the other clowns, get on with life and build a glorious and prosperous Seemandhra. That place is endowed with great natural resources, very smart people, industrious , hard working and highly entrepreneurial with strong business instincts, (but please, please do something about the business ethics while you are at it, it causes great trepidation to everyone else and causes them to ultra careful , sometimes plain avoidance when the counter party is an Andhra based business) and in no time, it will power far ahead.

This kind of thing is not new . Bombay presidency dissolving in to Maharashtra and Gujarat raised exactly the same questions from the Gujaratis who had invested massively in Bombay and played a key part in Bombay being what it is and was. Gujaratis of all stripes including Parsis, continue to live in Bombay and Maharashtra (including Pune) in vast numbers, thrive there will continue to do so. Same when Madras presidency became TN and Andhra. So come off it.

The Seemandhra kind of chest beating while understandable is getting over the top. And can we please have the shut down rubbish in Tirupati lifted and life getting back to normal there with pilgrims and worshippers coming to visit HIM going about it in peace ?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 05 Oct 2013 13:06

vina wrote:Come on guys, this Seemandhra vs Telengana thing is a joke. Heavens haven't fallen and no, they will not fall. You will continue to live and work and thrive in Hyderabad or anywhere in Telengana (just as you can anywhere in India) and vice versa.

How ignorant are you sirji.
- What is the share of Krishna waters, who will control Sri Sailam and Nagarjuna Sagar dams and their flows, which are vital for AP.
- What happens to Eng and Medical seats of Hyd. Majority of those colleges were built by SA folks.
- What happens to the sharing of revenue like sales, excise and income tax, bcz most of the revenue of AP comes from Hyd.
- Most of the employes (both private and govt) brought houses and lands in Hyd. KCR is behaving like a Paki who is promising the houses and lands that were built by rest of AP.

If T folks argue that since Hyderabad is physically present in T, it belongs to them, will the same logic applies if SA folks claim the Chennapatnam.

Fog Godsake, the division can alter lives of crores, so do not be general or too casual when commenting.

The false argument of Telangana is underdeveloped has proven wrong. Except core districts like EG, WG, Krishna and Gunter, rest of whole AP are same Telangana dists (these include Rayaseema, North Kosta). All these Telangana drama is just for Hyderabad.

One important question. If folks of Telangana wants their own state, what happens if Hyderabadis start demanding their own state. I bet Greater Hyderabad with 1 crore+ population is much bigger than many countries of the world.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Oct 2013 13:39

Vinaji, congress never promised Telangana in any election. They asked for 2nd SRC. They BJP did and went back on their word.

vina · Post by **vina** » 05 Oct 2013 14:57

kmkraoind wrote:How ignorant are you sirji.
- What is the share of Krishna waters, who will control Sri Sailam and Nagarjuna Sagar dams and their flows, which are vital for AP.
- What happens to Eng and Medical seats of Hyd. Majority of those colleges were built by SA folks.

Well, same that happened with Kaveri waters, when the Madras Presidency was broken and the river, whose headwaters and delta it controlled (Mangalore, Coorg and Thanjavur) , and the waters of which it shared with a Kingdom in the middle called Mysore ! This has to be decided as an interstate river and it is a problem that has to be resolved by law. Of course, if you throw the law out (as usually the case in India), then this is intractable in a drought year!

Speaking of which, I am in the middle of reading a wonderful book called (Mis)Behavior of Markets (around Rs 200 on Flipkart) by the great Benoit Mandelbrot (yes,the same guy who invented fractal math and after whom the Mandelbrot set is named) and in that book there is a chapter on the lifelong study of the river Nile by a British hydrologist Harold Hurst , who had incredible trouble in estimating the height of a dam required on the Nile and finally cracked the centuries old puzzle and gave rise to what Mandelbrot calls the Hurst Exponent) .

So yes, the interstate rivers should be managed on the basis of river basins and scientific methods and with a series of suitably sized dams you can have water for everyone. But if it is a free for all beggar thy neighbor (I will not bear the cost of holding surplus and will discharge like crazy in good seasons, but will hoard every bit of water in the dry and screw he downstream guys, like what Karnataka is doing now), there is no solution. This will avoid the "Joshua Effect" (another chapter in the book about the Pharoah's dream about 7 long years of plenty followed by 7 long years of drought and famine).

Engg and Medical college built by Seemandrha folks - No problem. All of them will need students. They will take anyone who can pay (Black, Brown, White, Green , Yellow, Seemandhra, Telengana, any Seema or Telang or whatever). That is a non issue. I was speaking with a kid from Christ College, oops Univ in Bangalore. It seems nearly every one there is from outside KTK (with different rates for kids from different places depending on how the demand/supply is in their home state!). Something similar will happen. Don't worry. Those college managements will bribe and lobby and do whatever to fill their seats. They are businessmen and pragmatists after all, all the more so , in a situation where there are more Engg seats than students!

- What happens to the sharing of revenue like sales, excise and income tax, bcz most of the revenue of AP comes from Hyd.
- Most of the employes (both private and govt) brought houses and lands in Hyd. KCR is behaving like a Paki who is promising the houses and lands that were built by rest of AP.

Revenue sharing is easiest.That is plain mathematics. As for claims on Hyd's revenue, forget it. KCR has to operate within the four walls of the constitution. He cant be Paki. No one can.

If T folks argue that since Hyderabad is physically present in T, it belongs to them, will the same logic applies if SA folks claim the Chennapatnam.

Everything belongs to everyone. SA folks are welcome to claim Chennapatnam and come there. No problem at all. What is the big deal, I don't understand seriously.

One important question. If folks of Telangana wants their own state, what happens if Hyderabadis start demanding their own state. I bet Greater Hyderabad with 1 crore+ population is much bigger than many countries of the world.

Ah. Same problem with what if Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore , Kolkata , and the other top 10 cities in India by size want to be their own states. Won't happen. It the fate of urban India to be sucked dry to feed the rural hinterlands, and share the pain and underdevelopment (and also fatten the Politico parasites). You cannot be a HongKong to China (of old) or Singapore to Malaya (of old). That is one of the "package" that comes from being a part of India. You share both the pleasure and the pain.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Oct 2013 17:57

devesh wrote:hindsight is 20/20.

in these moments it's important not to hang everything on the whipping boy. first it was BJP which was culprit for everything.

now, it's CBN. CBN fell ultimately due to his own flaws. but don't hang all the blame on him. he deserves some of it, yes. not all.

True.

Criticism of persons on this topic is always due to ignorance and seeing the issue from 100,000 thousand feet.

Let me try:

(1) AP (no difference in Telangana) is always a conflict/competition between groups of elites. A section of these elites were desperate when the congress party to which they belong went down to just 26 seats in state assembly. The elites spread across (politics, naxals, industries, religious institutions) the spectrum.

(2) After the Nuke tests, NDA is sitting pretty after 1999 . In spite of several trial using Kargil etc the NDA is undefeated. The immediate and desperate need is to defeat NDA and the best possible thing is to give the state of AP to INC. Several plotters (including international ones) modeled a method and the anti-TDP elites colluded.

(3) Hence the very good old fissure of Telangana has come open in the form of TRS and Congress with YSR leadership went in a coalition with a promise. However, YSR does not have any interest to give Telangana where as Sonia has absolute interest in dividing the state. She has seen INC's power only if AP is in her bag. It is as good as wound back after April 2009.

(4) The regional satraps such as CBN and YSR are a threat to Sonia. YSR death came as a God send opportunity and she took the plunge and she has no wavering mind on that topic of giving Telangana a separate state. You model it any way losing AP like they lost in 90s means end of dynasty.

(5) Now from people perspective, both sides of the population with go with anyone (Bin Laden, Dawood, Pope or resurrected asuras are all in the game) to achieve their goals of create Telangana or keeping the state united. Hence you hear all sorts of paki arguments such as "Telangana was never part of India and it was occupied by India in 1948" and now this new joke called as "Andhra Nation" (East Timor" like petro nation ?)

(6) The monkey dance of AP parties such as INC, YSRC, TDP on either side of the durrand line is just due to (5)

(7) The small states theories of BJP is a huge hypocrisy. There is no vision across the country. If they are honest, there is not reason to not take the similar opportunity when Mayawati passed a resolution to split UP into four states. They could have pressed it in parliament. The small states buck stops at a theory of keeping Mughul/British centrality of Dilli+UP intact. The rise of pheriphary is always the reason for splitting states all through the occupied history of India. Dilli-billi is still in the same mind.

(8) Even in Sangh parivar, the likes of Mohan Bhagawat and Modi are not as keen as reckless Advani/Sushmas towards Telangana. In fact Mohan B made a statement against split before retracing it back in 2009.

(9) at this time, any huge and as great as "devon ka dev Mahadev" also cannot stop the state split. The dams have been breached to the level of no return. The only plot right now is TRS+INC+YSRC (a sure shot UPA) Vs TDP+BJP.

(10) TDP+BJP has an enormous task on their hand. They together need to win 25 out of 42 and also split the state in an acceptable manner (which is still possible). In this pursuit it is important that rash statements should be avoided and present a way where the other side accepts the split. Present with a regional development council to Rayalaseema and building Vishakapatnam on the lines of Hyderabad. They need to provide an alternative aggressively while supporting the split and then need to do that consistently.

(11) CBN has to stop the beaten path. Suhsma and Advani needs to start talking about Seemandhra while supporting Telangana. They all need to change their regular off-beaten paths.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Oct 2013 19:12

Murli Manohar Joshi accuses Sushil Kumar Shinde of provoking people over Telangana

Senior Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Murli Manohar Joshi on Saturday criticised Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde for his description of protests following the nod for the creation of a separate Telangana state as ‘natural feelings’.

Joshi said the remark displayed total ignorance of the ground realities or it was a deliberate attempt to provoke things further.

Joshi lashed out the Congress-led UPA Government for taking a hasty decision to bifurcate Andhra Pradesh without addressing the concerns of the people of the region.

“They have created a problem. First create a problem and you say we will tackle it. And I am surprised that the very experienced Home Minister says that all such feelings — the violent feelings, the anger not only against the Congress but against the entire. establishment, the type of violence which is taking place in Seemandhra — are natural feelings. What does he mean? If they are natural, does he mean to say continue please this is just natural,” he said.

Joshi recalled that there were no such protests when the three states of Uttaranchal, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh were formed during the NDA regime, and added that everything was settled very peacefully and calmly.

“This shows that when they (UPA Ministers) say it is natural, I say either it is total ignorance of the ground realities or a deliberate attempt to provoke these things further. This is not done. Instead of addressing their concerns, they immediately announced everything and in a very hasty manner,” he added

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 05 Oct 2013 19:17

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Oct 2013 19:21

Congress adopting partisan approach on Telangana: Venkaiah Naidu

Bharatiya Janata Party ( BJP) leader M. Venkaiah Naidu on Saturday questioned the Congress Party's hasty decision to create a separate Telangana state, and said its dealing with the issue of bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh is casual, immature and irresponsible.

"They have spent more than nine and a half years of time; they have not done enough homework. They have not talked to their own party people, they have not done made efforts to convince their own party people. A party which cannot convince its own people, a party which cannot convince its own chief minister and ministers; how do you expect that party to convince the people of the state?" said Naidu.

"The Congress Party is adopting a partisan approach, the Congress Party is treating the entire issue as if it is an internal matter of the Congress Party," he added.

Meanwhile, the tension continues to prevail in Rayalaseema and Coastal regions in Andhra Pradesh, where people turned out in large numbers on the first day of the 72-hour shutdown yesterday in protest against the Union Cabinet's approval to bifurcate the state.

The Centre has been requested to provide additional forces for deployment in the two regions as public demonstrations turned violent at several places.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Oct 2013 19:42

devesh wrote:
matrimc wrote:and telangANa people were called "pAkIs".

yup, funny isn't it. even a BRAdmin got away with calling T-vadis "Pakis".
nobody said anything then. not a word at all. and now the same people want an "Andhra nation".

good luck!

Devesh garu,

I called T-vadis Pakis when they displayed that behavior. I called AP people the same when they pulled the APNT from their bottoms. Is it that difficult to understand?

RamaY wrote:Separate Andhra Nation??? That is the most Paki idea I have heard in past couple of years.

How do they plan to win Telangana back, by going to war with Rest of Bharat? Whose support would they take in that effort, Pakistan or China or USA or Italy?

And these morons are going to vote for YSRCP as a first step toward separate Andhra Nation?