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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 612284.cms

Chinese interference in the affairs of other nations "impossible" it seems, and the idiots in Economic Times repeat that verbatim as if it was a self-evident truth.
"A connection between China and the Indian rebels is impossible, especially after India and China resumed diplomatic relationships in 1988," he said.

Li Li, deputy director of the Institute of South and Southeast Asian and Oceania Studies at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, termed such reports as "absurd".

"It is impossible for China to intervene in the domestic affairs of India, especially when the two countries' relationship is developing very well"
"impossible" it seems -- must be some translation error or just usual Chinese choothspah on display. Or as Humprey says in "Yes, PM" --- the more vehemently something is denied, the more certain we can be that it is in fact true.
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Was this posted already ? http://www.firstpost.com/world/why-chin ... 81132.html
First, it has told us clearly that it is not interested in clearly delineating a line of actual control (LAC) on the border, pending a final settlement. This shows that it wants to change the status quo and take some territory from us. No willingness to agree on the LAC means China will not settle the border except on its terms.

Second, it has taken a deliberately contradictory position on Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), China-occupied Kashmir (mostly Aksai Chin in Ladakh) and areas in India - mainly in Arunachal Pradesh – that it says are disputed areas. It protests any development project or Indian action in Arunachal, or even the South China Sea (again, a sea with several claimants) but has no qualms about investing in PoK or CoK, which are clearly in dispute or illegal occupation by Pakistan or China.

Third, the recent escalation of terrorism in Manipur should been seen in context. Yesterday (4 June), 18 armymen were killed in an ambush in Manipur, and last month a similar attack took place in Nagaland, where eight Assam Rifles jawans being killed. While there may be no direct China hand in this resurgence of terrorism (or, at least, none that we know of), ask yourself a simple question: who benefits the most from bringing the North-East back to boiling point? It suits China to keep our army tied up in various insurgencies, especially when Indo-Bangladesh ties are improving and Sheikh Hasina has taken a strong line on containing anti-India forces.

Fourth, we already know that China has backed its territorial claims by constantly patrolling and even transgressing into Indian territory, with the incursion into Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh in August 2013 being the most blatant and indicative of where future perils lie. It was the first instance where Chinese soldiers just walked into Indian areas and tried to demolish a boundary wall. (Watch these videos of the incident here and here).
It would also be instructive at this point to figure out what China wants and what it may do to get what it wants.
#1: The most likely territorial gain it seeks is probably Tawang in Arunachal, which houses a key Buddhist monastery that threatens China's complete domination of ideological Tibet and its future. As long as Tawang remains Indian, China fears it could be a staging post for a future Tibetan insurrection or even in the creation of a Dalai Lama based on Indian soil. As we have noted before, Tawang is psychologically crucial to China’s hold on Tibet as it was the birthplace of the 6th Dalai Lama and hosts an important 17th century Tibetan Buddhist monastery. The current Dalai Lama (the 14th) spent some time in Tawang after he fled Tibet in 1959 post the Chinese takeover.

#2: China believes that. It made a mistake in 1962 when it held on to large areas of Aksai Chin in Ladakh to ensure easy access to Tibet, but voluntarily withdrew from areas seized in the North-East, including Tawang. It wants to rectify this by any means possible. This explains why it tried to intrude into Tawang in 2013. Rest assured, the Chinese troops who came by would have taken excellent pictures of the Indian fortifications and local topography, especially details that could not have been captured from satellite cameras.

#3: China's massive investment plan in Pakistan, which includes large areas of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, is less about development and more about a military capability. Chinese investment and construction activities in PoK are important for they indicate how much it is willing to risk in order to defend its interests in the region. PoK and CoK constitute the vortex of central Asia: between them, they abut Afghanistan, Tibet, the Islamic republics of Central Asia and China’s own alienated Muslim province of Xinjiang. So China’s massive investment is intended to maintain a military presence in this area for defensive and offensive reasons: it will try to block jihadi influence in Xinjiang, and also maintain pressure on the Indian army on the Pakistan border.
Now consider how China may be weighing the risks and benefits of a short war over Tawang.
One, it will ask its lackey Pakistan to make the entire western border hot when it wants to pressure India. Pakistani firing and shelling of Indian positions has been not so much on the Line of Control (LoC) but the settled international border (IB). This has probably been done at the urgings of China. It means, when China winks, Pakistan can make the entire Kashmir LoC and IB a live battleground.

Two, insurgency in the North-East will keep the army busy in Nagaland and Manipur, while distracting us from Arunachal.
The point is simple: China will not see a "short" border war as necessarily a bad thing. India should be more than ready for it, and must lose no time preparing for it.

The key elements of our strategy should be the following: strengthen the army's preparedness to defend Tawang and Ladakh at all costs and make this obvious to China; create the new mountain corps quickly, and speed up investment in border infrastructure; create a crash pan to develop and deploy tactical nuclear weapons and make it clear that these will be used only on the China border.

The paradox of Narendra Modi successful Asian diplomacy involving China's rivals (Japan and Vietnam specifically) is that China may want to strike before Modi manages to strengthen India's economy, defences and alliances. This calculation may have the adverse consequence of making China rush into a short war before India improves his fighting capabilities.

The only way to prevent Chinese adventurism of the 1962 kind is to prepare for one.
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#2: China believes that. It made a mistake in 1962 when it held on to large areas of Aksai Chin in Ladakh to ensure easy access to Tibet, but voluntarily withdrew from areas seized in the North-East, including Tawang. It wants to rectify this by any means possible. This explains why it tried to intrude into Tawang in 2013.
Also, the Chinese no longer have use for Aksai Chin - it served it purpose and they have other better ways to access Xinjiang these days. So all the trouble they create in the border in the Leh/Ladakh region seems to be a feint to pretend interest in an area they do not care much for. This claim is just a card they can use to pretend they are giving up something they had no interest in anyway. Access to Tibet via Arunchal pradesh is more secure in the long term. This is a typically strategy in the game of Go -- keep the opponent guessing as to which of the pieces on the board are the ones you really care about (and also dynamically re-prioritize your own interest in those pieces).
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srin wrote:Was this posted already ? http://www.firstpost.com/world/why-chin ... 81132.html
The point is simple: China will not see a "short" border war as necessarily a bad thing. India should be more than ready for it, and must lose no time preparing for it.

The paradox of Narendra Modi successful Asian diplomacy involving China's rivals (Japan and Vietnam specifically) is that China may want to strike before Modi manages to strengthen India's economy, defences and alliances. This calculation may have the adverse consequence of making China rush into a short war before India improves his fighting capabilities.

The only way to prevent Chinese adventurism of the 1962 kind is to prepare for one.
That is why India's Defense Minister deserves to be sacked for downsizing the MSC.
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^^ testing tactical miniature n-warhead or emp based weapon will go long way to show Chinese that short war should be best avoided..
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A good article clearing up lot of fog on what China's agenda is though for them fighting in Tibet is like US fighting in Afghanistan, doesn't translate to an immediate threat to the 'homeland' populace or economy. so, localizing the conflict is not a useful deterrent we can use against them.

It was RayC sir who mentioned the Chinese game of GO here on this forum, RIP.
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China confirms test of supersonic nuclear delivery vehicle - PTI
Chinese defence ministry has confirmed the test of a supersonic nuclear delivery vehicle, a move described by the US as an “extreme manoeuvre” amid tension in the South China Sea.

The fourth successful test of hypersonic glide vehicle - which the US has dubbed the “Wu-14” - was carried out on Sunday
. It was the People Liberation Army’s fourth test of the weapon in 18 months.

“The scheduled scientific research and experiments in our territory is normal, and those tests are not targeted at any country and specific goals,” Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post quoted the defence ministry as saying.

But military observers said the frequency of the tests showed Beijing was reinforcing its nuclear deterrent in response to Washington’s continued interference in China’s territorial disputes in the region, the Post reported.

US website the Washington Free Beacon, which first reported about the test, said the new strike vehicle is considered a high-technology strategic weapon capable of delivering nuclear or conventional warheads while travelling on the edge of space.

One of its key features is the ability to manoeuvre to avoid US missile defences, it said.

The Wu-14 was assessed as travelling up to 10 times the speed of sound, or around 7,680 miles per hour, it said.

Unlike earlier tests, the latest test demonstrated what one official called “extreme maneuvers” that appeared to analysts designed for penetrating through missile defense systems, it said.

The test took place a day before Central Military Commission vice-chairman Fan Changlong left for a week-long visit to the US. He since completed the visit during which he held talks with US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter.

Experts say the launch was timed to raise Fan’s bargaining power in discussions with the US, as well as to express Beijing’s disapproval of Washington’s sustained interference in the South China Sea, the Post reported.

“The test is aimed at helping Fan increase the People’s Liberation Army’s bargaining power on the negotiation table when he deals with his US counterpart,” Macau-based military observer Antony Wong Dong said.
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Now, China seeks maritime deal with Dhaka - Haroon Habib, The Hindu
China has approached Bangladesh to sign a deal on blue economy and maritime cooperation in the Bay of Bengal, days after Dhaka and New Delhi signed such an accord.

During Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Dhaka, Mr. Modi and his Bangladesh counterpart, Sheikh Hasina, witnessed the signing of a memorandum of understanding between the University of Dhaka and India’s Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) for joint research on oceanography of the Bay of Bengal and an agreement for the setting up of a joint working group.

The deals are seen as a major step in maritime cooperation between the two neighbours.

A diplomatic source told The Hindu that Bangladesh had earlier approached China for the signing of a deal on maritime cooperation to facilitate capacity building, training, joint research and study. “But it had not received any response,” the source said.

The Bangladesh foreign office, on June 10, received a draft of an MoU from Beijing on maritime cooperation.

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang is likely to pay a two-day official visit to Bangladesh in September, marking the 40th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries. And China wants to sign the MoU during the visit.

Of the two deals Bangladesh and India signed in Dhaka on June 6, one was on “blue economy and maritime cooperation in the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean”, which envisages cooperation for capacity building, training and joint research collaborations, and setting up of a joint working group for further cooperation in this area.
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SSridhar wrote:The fourth successful test of hypersonic glide vehicle - which the US has dubbed the “Wu-14” - was carried out on Sunday[/b]. It was the People Liberation Army’s fourth test of the weapon in 18 months.
Wang Dong 14 is no different compared to Agni-5/3 series hypersonic boost glide vehical.

So Chinese have actually graduated from simple RV that does a parabolic trajectory to one that Boose Glides Hypersonicly ..... which is similar to India graduating from older Agni-RV the one that used ulag motors to the type we use on Agni-3 and 5 series.
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印度62年被中国打趴下了,真搞笑,3万中国军队追着40万印度军队满山跑,歼灭3个旅,俘虏一大堆,还要给你们饭吃,亏死了,不知道满山抓俘虏很累吗?下次记得跑快点,别他妈被抓到,欧拉。三哥就喜欢这样,现在中印边境印军事中国军队8倍,你们是被打出阴影了吧。是不是觉得8倍人数才有打赢把握啊。下次被抓当俘虏记得带上食物,别又要我们给你吃的
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^^ Kindly let us know what is written above
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svinayak wrote:印度62年被中国打趴下了,真搞笑,3万中国军队追着40万印度军队满山跑,歼灭3个旅,俘虏一大堆,还要给你们饭吃,亏死了,不知道满山抓俘虏很累吗?下次记得跑快点,别他妈被抓到,欧拉。三哥就喜欢这样,现在中印边境印军事中国军队8倍,你们是被打出阴影了吧。是不是觉得8倍人数才有打赢把握啊。下次被抓当俘虏记得带上食物,别又要我们给你吃的
JE Menon wrote:^^ Kindly let us know what is written above
Google Translate says
India 62 years is China playing get on the ground, really funny, 30,000 Chinese troops chasing 400,000 Indian army mountain run, wiping out three brigades, a lot of prisoners, but also to give you food, dead loss, I do not know mountain take prisoners tired it? Next time remember run quickly, do not get caught his mother, Euler. Third brother likes it, and now China and India-Indian military border troops eight times, you are playing the shadow of it. Is not that only 8 times the number of winning grasp ah. Next time remember to bring a prisoner was arrested when food, we do not have to give you to eat
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Opinion piece:
"China's Indian charm offensive GOOD NEWS FOR ASEAN"
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion ... 62301.html
With Southeast Asia and Thailand sitting right between the two giants, it's reassuring that they're getting along much better. Both are important trading and diplomatic partners although China looms larger. Thailand's trade with China last year reached $63 billion, while trade with India was worth $9 billion.

Just before he left China, Modi used his Weibo account to express hope that both sides would work hard to further develop their relationship in the years ahead.

Thailand and its Asean neighbours can take a lot of solace from that.
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rajrang wrote: That is why India's Defense Minister deserves to be sacked for downsizing the MSC.
Just having bodies with no weapons and no plan is any good. They were cannibalizing the reserves! Let us focus on a smaller force which is well-equipped and then we can increase it later.
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Austin wrote:
SSridhar wrote:The fourth successful test of hypersonic glide vehicle - which the US has dubbed the “Wu-14” - was carried out on Sunday[/b]. It was the People Liberation Army’s fourth test of the weapon in 18 months.
Wang Dong 14 is no different compared to Agni-5/3 series hypersonic boost glide vehical.

So Chinese have actually graduated from simple RV that does a parabolic trajectory to one that Boose Glides Hypersonicly ..... which is similar to India graduating from older Agni-RV the one that used ulag motors to the type we use on Agni-3 and 5 series.
This is good news. It means their earlier RVs were fairly basic and hence straightforward BMD systems should have a good Pk vs them.
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India 62 years is China playing get on the ground, really funny, 30,000 Chinese troops chasing 400,000 Indian army mountain run, wiping out three brigades, a lot of prisoners, but also to give you food, dead loss, I do not know mountain take prisoners tired it?
Sounds like article says 3 Chinese soldiers equals 40 Indian soldiers, a higher ratio than the 1 Paki equals 10 Indians. Chinese captured 3 brigades of Indians and gave the Indian POWs food in 1962 but they won't bother with such niceties the next time around. China's army is 8 times larger now than it was back then, and Indians think they can defeat us now? Sounds like some of the fire-breathing chinese rhetoric.
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India Rising, China Slowing Doesn’t Mean Modi Wins

By by Yoolim LeeWilliam Mellor
June 16, 2015 — 5:00 PM EDT
India is poised to top China in population and economic growth. That's no guarantee Narendra Modi’s pro-business push will beat Xi Jinping’s consumption-heavy makeover in a regional contest with global consequences.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... cmpid=yhoo

Detailed statistics and analysis. Very good article. People may agree or disagree here.
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China's space program could completely crush its competition
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Kelly Dickerson
Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 7:24pm EDT

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinas-sp ... 00401.html

No wonder, Xi is getting so uppity and arrogant !
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i would point out that the Chinese want in on the US space program such as ISS participation. it is not the US that wants in on the Chinese space program.

The US has a lot on its plate with two commercial space capsule launchers (Boeing and Space X) and NASA's own BEO missions space program with the upcoming SLS rocket and Orion space capsule. NASA is struggling to pay for everything under the current budget sequestration limits. Not to mention all the other goodies such as the JWST telescope and more Mars landers and research programs. More solar system robotic missions planned as well. too, too much....... And then maybe Hubble 2.0 with a 12 meter segmented mirror, etc., etc........ maybe a small space station in CIS Lunar space....China who?.....
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Hong Kong-sized plot of Russian land leased to Chinese agrofirm

Do not know, why Russia is letting China to do this.
Huae Sinban Company, Zoje Resources’ wholly-owned subsidiary from Zhejiang province, has inked an agreement to lease 115,000 hectares (1,150 sq. kilometers), of them 65,000 hectares of wasteland and 50,000 hectares of pastures, in a region close to the border with China and Mongolia in Russia’s Transbaikal region, Chinese People’s Daily reports.

The lease payments will be a nominal 250 rubles (less than $5) per hectare per year, or about 1.409 billion rubles (approximately $26 million) over the 49-year period.

..........
Russian legislation sets a 3-year limit to get lands ready for agricultural production, making this condition the biggest risk for Chinese farming in Russia, particularly considering the fact that the lands to be developed by the Chinese have been out of agriculture for about 20-30 years - since the collapse of the Soviet Union - so bringing them back into proper condition will imply hard work from 2,000-3,000 laborers.
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http://www.outlookindia.com/news/articl ... ent/902368
Under the deal more than 85 per cent of Australian goods entering the country will carry no penalty, rising to 95 per cent on full implementation.

Abbott said Australia's agriculture sector would also be able to capitalise on its well-deserved reputation as a clean, green producer of premium food and beverage products.

Tariffs will be progressively abolished for Australia's USD 13 billion dairy industry.

"Australia's beef and sheep farmers will also gain from the phased abolition of tariffs ranging from 12-25 per cent and all tariffs on Australian horticulture will be eliminated," the prime minister said.

Under the deal, the tariffs on cooking coal were also removed from day one, with the tariff on thermal coal being phased out over two years apart from tariff elimination on a wide range of Australian manufactured goods, including pharmaceutical products and car engines.
If Chafta goes through and no reason to see why it won't since it is a political boon, then Australia is not a reliable ally when it comes to china -- China literally has Australia's economy by the throat with this deal.
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IEA: China should shoulder greatest burden in raising climate ambition
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/06 ... -ambition/
The world is not on track to avoid dangerous climate change and China should take on more of the effort required to close the gap in climate ambition, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA).
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http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-ch ... ta-2096525
China is keen to establish a high speed rail link between Kunming and Kolkata as part of its efforts to revive the ancient silk route, traversing through Myanmar and Bangladesh...

...The 2800 kilometer rail route could be a critical component for the Bangladesh-China-India-Myanmar (BCIM) corridor that seeks cross border trade and flow of people. ...

The proposal, which found a mention at the recently held Greater Mekong Subregion (GMS) meet here, seeks to give a boost to the Bangladesh-China-India-Myanmar (BCIM) multi-model corridor project initiated by China.
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This is another chinese con-job -- rail freight is very low throughput and is not sufficient for trade cargo between China and the countries it wants to connect. It can very well do trade with Bangladesh, Myanmar and India via the sea and without this high-speed rail link. All of the countries have ports that can handle high volume traffic -- far higher than any high-speed rail link the chinese want to construct.
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The images are slow to load - but more on China-Myanmar-Bangladesh-India land routes:
https://drkokogyi.wordpress.com/2011/07 ... dia-china/
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Interesting that the Chinese want to construct a railway line for access to AP from both sides of that state. They already have a line running to the north of AP into Tibet.
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SOROS: The US needs to befriend China or all hell is going to break loose
Business Insider By Elena Holodny
2 hours ago, June 17 2015

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/soros-us- ... 11276.html

Looks like Soros is saying that US is no longer capable of deterring China and therefore, needs to suck up to it, lest a Russio-Chinese alliance confronts the West in world war II. Soros is a serious guy with the penchant for telling the unconventional and the bitter truth.
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in other words Soros has got a lot of money invested in China and he doesn't want to lose it.
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Tuvaluan wrote:Interesting that the Chinese want to construct a railway line for access to AP from both sides of that state. They already have a line running to the north of AP into Tibet.
Daft observation. It is very difficult to imagine that the Silk route is primarily for trade purposes. Cheens have been harbouring militarily hegemonistic ambitions in addition to their aim of global economic dominance. Both the pearl of Strings and Silk Route rail and road links have a predominant strategic and military angle to it. We have a geographic advantage in defending AP against Cheen adventurism which they probably want to negate with such lines.

With the port access Cheen has in Myanmar, they can easily transport goods to Bangladesh without having to construct and maintain an expensive train route through very difficult and unstable terrains.

Extreme caution needs to be employed in dealing with any initiative mooted by Cheen that has even remote strategic /military use cases.
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schinnas, right, which is what I find "interesting". It is very clear what their larger intentions are behind their "silk road" initiative, both maritime and land initiatives.
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India recapturing PoK will solve all China's geopolitical challenges.
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In terms of size of economy in nominal dollar terms, India today is where China was in 2005. In terms of growth rate, China was clocking 10-11% growth rates around 2005, India is today at 7.5-7.8%. In terms of trade, China's exports of goods and services in 2005 were 37% of GDP (World Bank http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE. ... ies?page=1 ). India's today (2013) is 25.2% of GDP. Incidentally, China's today (2013) is 26.4% of GDP. China's foreign exchange reserves reached a trillion dollars in October 2006. India's today are around $350 billion.
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rsangram wrote:India Rising, China Slowing Doesn’t Mean Modi Wins

By by Yoolim LeeWilliam Mellor
June 16, 2015 — 5:00 PM EDT
India is poised to top China in population and economic growth. That's no guarantee Narendra Modi’s pro-business push will beat Xi Jinping’s consumption-heavy makeover in a regional contest with global consequences.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... cmpid=yhoo

Detailed statistics and analysis. Very good article. People may agree or disagree here.
Until last year, everyone used to say it takes too long to get work done in India. However, comparatively in China work is done very very fast. However, this year there are murmurs saying work is being done faster in India compared to China. One of the reason for the speed of approvals slowing down in China is due to crackdown against corruption by 11. This has made the low level bureaucrats very scared of making decisions which could potentially be considered as favouritism. The theory goes that even during the time of the earlier Chinese empires the bureaucrats (who made the on-the-ground decisions) were unhappy with the leadership, they used to slow the pace of getting things done. And this is exactly what is happening now.

Mao undertook 'the great leap forward'. Now its 11's turn to do the same. He is the child of the 'great leap'. The scale of challenge facing 11 is mammoth.

There is a book published by Walt Whitman Rostow called The Stages of Economic Growth. According to this book, there are 5 stages in economic growth where an agrarian society transforms into an industrial consumer driven society. The first 3 stages are identical for a top down economy (like China) to a bottom up economy (like India). Actually the top down economy has advantage over the bottom up economy according to studies. However, the next 2 stages are very difficult for a command economy like China as it means a fundamental change from controlled growth to an individualistic entrepreneurial consumer society.

This puts the scale of problem that 11 faces in perspective. They are riding a tiger thinking they are fast and everyone is afraid of them. However, when they fall of the tiger they could be devoured. However, 11 is awaiting the 2017 CPC congress where he will place his cronies and thus become very much in control with no dissent. Will he be successful? Only time will tell. The general consensus amongst 'experts' is he wont. TIFWIW.
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RamaY wrote:India recapturing PoK will solve all China's geopolitical challenges.
Please elaborate saar. I dont understand.
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He thinks that by cutting them off from Pakistan, we will somehow alleviate their Muslim problem.
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Day proves a real India-China bridge - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
India and China on Sunday carefully choreographed the celebration of Yoga, leveraging the discipline to add another dimension to China’s cultural renaissance and deepening people-to-people bonds between the two countries.

The run-up to the celebration of International Day of Yoga did not commence in capital Beijing, but in picturesque Dujiangyan, near Chengdu.

In the backdrop of lush green mountains of Dujiangyan, thousands of Chinese converged to learn the art. Twenty of India’s top Yoga gurus were present. The build led to celebrations on Sunday, in more than 14 Chinese cities including Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Hong Kong.

As many as 16 events took place in Beijing including ones that were held at Peking University and Geely University. A five-day celebration from June 21-25, is being organised by China Health Care Association and several Yoga Institutes along with the members of the Indian community.
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Nathu La opens for Kailash Mansarovar Yatra today - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
Forty Indian pilgrims, bound for the Kailash Mansarovar pilgrimage will, on Monday, cross over from the Nathu La pass that links Sikkim and Tibet, inaugurating a new route that expands connectivity between the two countries.

The first of 50 pilgrims out of an annual quota of 250 were to make the maiden journey from Indian to China along the Nathu La route.

However, 10 of the aspirants failed to clear the stringent medical tests, held in Sikkim, that pilgrims have to undertake in order to endure the arduous journey.

China’s Ambassador to India Le Yucheng, told a group of visiting Indian journalists that unlike the past when travellers had to undertake a difficult trek, the visitors will now be taken by bus to the pilgrimage sight—a distance of 1500 km, which will be covered in two days. The establishment of the new route is the result of the “consensus” reached between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Prime Minister Narendra Modi during the former’s visit to India in September 2014.

“We left no stone unturned to make this route possible,” Mr. Le observed. A brand new hotel has come up to accommodate the pilgrims.

The charges, subsidised by Beijing and the Chinese embassy in New Delhi have been kept to the minimum. :eek: Tour guides and even batches of cooks are accompanying the travellers, who will each be handed over a backpack and a blanket by the local Tibetan government. Patches of road along the route, which had been damaged, have also been repaired.

Border trade between the two countries through the Nathu La pass is booming, the Ambassador said. In the shops of Yadong, the Chumbi valley town, a mere 31 km from Nathu La, Indian products ranging from India manufactured Nescafe coffee, candies, and posters of Shahrukh Khan and Aishwarya Rai are freely available. “Gangtok is merely 54 km from Nathu La and I discussed with the Chief Minister, the possibility of Chinese investments in the State and as well as increasing the flow of tourists into the state,” Mr. Le said.

The Ambassador did not rule out the possibility of expanding the Nathu La route as an important economic artery between India and China, supplementing the ambitious Bangladesh-China-India-Myanmar (BCIM) economic corridor.

China’s ambitious Qinghai-Tibet railway, which is part of an elaborate railway system which has been connected to Europe, has already reached Xigatse, not too far from the Indian border. Chinese officials have been quoted as saying that this rail track can be extended to Nepal, and onwards to Patna, where it can be hooked to the Indian railway system
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Chinese threat works in multiple ways. Apart from being purely militaristic, it can also denude our natural wealth, flora, fauna etc.

Red sanders sleuths nab Chinese ‘ring leader’ - K.Umashanker, The Hindu
Carrying out a major operation in Bengaluru on Monday, red sanders sleuths of the Kadapa Police busted a Chinese-run warehouse in which some employees of the courier company DHL were found to be involved. Along with the two DHL employees – Saravannan and Rakesh – police captured a Chinese man, Zhang Yong Zhow (41), said to be a major ringleader in the red sanders smuggling network. The DHL employees were allegedly engaged by the Chinese ring to conceal red sanders pieces in reels of copper wiring so that they can be transported across national borders as electrical goods.

Acting with the logistic support of their Bengaluru counterparts, the Kadapa police raided a godown in the Katikanahali area on Monday and seized red sanders material worth over Rs 1 crore and later nabbed its Chinese keeper, Zhang Yong Zhow.
The red sanders smuggling is a huge operation by the Chinese who have penetrated too far and too deep into Southern states of Andhra Pradesh, Tamilnadu and Karnataka. This is worrying.
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SSridhar wrote:
The red sanders smuggling is a huge operation by the Chinese who have penetrated too far and too deep into Southern states of Andhra Pradesh, Tamilnadu and Karnataka. This is worrying.
It puts this news into perspective and the Chinese interests to invest within India.
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