India-US Strategic News and Discussion

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 05 Apr 2014 06:57

ShankarCag wrote: I say lets move on to bigger things..

Amen...and that big thing is Kim Kardashian

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 05 Apr 2014 07:01

Indian authorities are not being biased in giving "special treatment" to this NYPD dude with bullets in his pocket at the airport. This Jan I was in India, talking to someone from Sudan (a student). He was a young fellow who had some military experience fighting for his own government, as well as in overseas jihad theaters. Then got back to normal lifestyle and decided to get a higher education - which is when he came to India. As is quite common to many people with military experience, he always carried around a single bullet from one of his battles as a souvenir. He kept the bullet in his bag. On his way out of India, someone spotted it at the Hyderabad airport. He was whisked away for special interrogations, and even spent 10 days in jail while they did a thorough investigation into his antecedents. This is totally understandable, given our internal security situation. This Sudanese dude hated it, and told me that because of that one incident he hates all Indians, living or dead (he didn't realize he was talking to an Indian - mistook me for a Middle-Easterner, since there were mostly ME's at that event). But hate it or not, that's our security procedure, and I wouldn't be apologetic about it. What this NYPD guy is getting is not out of the ordinary, it seems to me.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Apr 2014 08:20

This is must read article regarding why Nancy maam quits
http://www.mediacrooks.com/2014/04/hunt ... z9i4vmSxif

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 05 Apr 2014 08:33

To link NYPD COP arrest for three bullets in checked in luggage with that of DK issue is illogical. No diplomatic issue here , this guy , who could be potential hijacker or terrorist, is an ordinary US Pandu. No need to compare with DK, who remains Diplomat.

He would have been arrested anyway either in India or in US. Rules don't allow firearms or bullets etc in Flight. Everyone connected with Airport or flying in/out of airports know that. You will be arrested if you have not declared these items before and obtained approval and then it is carried in special box. Bullets in Jacket would trigger Hijack Alert and fellow could be a lifetime guest of prisons.

However , in the light of Headly case, I wonder why this guy , who is an American and a former Marine to boot. , meeting an Iranian , purportedly his wife, in India. That should trigger and intelligence alert. This guy could be terrorist even though he might be NYPD.

His strange name indicates that he could be evenjehaardi as well. Manny encarnacion== Many Incarnation in simple eenglish.

He should have been booked under UPA Act. But UPeeA won't do it.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 05 Apr 2014 08:39

DK being charged in 'Adarsh' after nanny powell resigned. coincidence?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 05 Apr 2014 09:20

svinayak wrote:http://www.cnet.com/news/will-nadella-a ... ech-visas/

We Americans need to admit that India is a far more advanced race and everytime I wonder why - only one thing comes to my mind - Endless Doctors and Countless Engineers and Architects in IT and Software, even Elect Politicians in America.

Indians have built America far more than any other Nationality in our history - There's no doubt about that..

And NO - They're not taking our jobs its just that they're better than the rest of the world hence we hire them for our Companys profits, benefits and their talents - the entire country is a proof of that and nobody can't deny that.

yes, I'm White American and I do give credit to where its due.

I think that is a very smug assessment. The US has always attracted the best and brightest from all over the world and Americans tend to put aside ethnic prejudice in favor of results. It isn't always fair or smooth in the process, but overall the US works well, or at least it has in the last 50 years, and in the future it may be different.

Manas · Post by **Manas** » 05 Apr 2014 09:26

This gentleman seems to be a chef of the Culinary Institute. Retired Marine, NYC Cop, meeting with his Iranian wife in New Delhi - the story seems way too contorted to be taken at face value.

Interesting that the airport security folks were diligent enough to have scanned and found bullets in his checked in bag and taken quick action to stop him from boarding the flight & arrested him. Very very efficient for the much maligned, disorganized babudom/CISF/security folks. Probably was under IB scanner while we went about his merry way taking care of "business" in Nayi Dilli and was picked up on his way out.

interesting that the State Dept got a congressman to make noise a few days after he was arrested and released on bail. Probably the SD tried to quietly ferret him out by having the case "resolved" but failed - so they have taken this route. Wheels within wheels as always in such stories.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Apr 2014 09:40

LokeshC wrote:The bigger question is, how did he get on the plane from NYC to India with ammunition in the jacket?
Did he acquire the bullets in India? If so when, where, how? Also: Is he a gora dude?

More importantly why?

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 05 Apr 2014 09:43

I think during the election period there needs to lot of caution. 26/11 had happened a few months before election. David Headley's role raises many questions. The recent theories that a 9/11 like event can be planned using MH370 means that there is need for increased vigilance. A NYPD paandu getting caught with ammunition while boarding a plane raises eyebrows. Being a cop, does he not know the seriousness of such an action? If he knew, then why would he do that? This man needs to be investigated thoroughly.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Apr 2014 09:55

Manas wrote:This gentleman seems to be a chef of the Culinary Institute. Retired Marine, NYC Cop, meeting with his Iranian wife in New Delhi - the story seems way too contorted to be taken at face value.

That doesn't compute. If he is culinary, he would have been extra careful to not get caught on some triviality like this. He would gave other ways and means of getting far more powerful weapons through other channels.

I think it is a slip up on his part (unless that's what they want indian security to think) and no connection to DK illegal arrest/ill thought out indictment.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Apr 2014 10:00

By the way things like nanchakus are also illegal to carry but probably only in the cabin baggage. Probably they dan be checked in -I am not sure.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 05 Apr 2014 10:46

Muppalla wrote:This is must read article regarding why Nancy maam quits
http://www.mediacrooks.com/2014/04/hunt ... z9i4vmSxif

Excellent find muppalla. This is right on the money. I hope his first work is to bring the law to stop the 'forced' conversion.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 05 Apr 2014 11:30

The NYPD officer should be tried in India without fast tracking this case.

The 'sarkari' advocate representing the GoI should file the stringest of charges against this guy and do a press conference and drive home the point that India would not allow US to export its gun violence culture to India.

All Indian newspapers should start writing editorials on

1) The gun related violence in US and put statistics regarding that.

2) The lax airport security in US. What else explains that a guy could get on a plane with bullets in US?

3) How India can't be seen as "going soft" on this person since India is a law abiding country! MEA spokesperson can do a press conference and say we hope that our American partners will understand how important this relationship is!!!

this is bliss!

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 05 Apr 2014 12:06

US lawmakers see New York cop's arrest in Delhi as revenge for Devyani Khobragade case

Two US lawmakers have asked Secretary of State John Kerry to demand the release of Manny Encarnacion after US tabloid, New York Post, termed his arrest as New Delhi's revenge for the Devyani Khobragade affair, reported IANS

By Post's account, a security officer at the airport snarked, "You guys like to strip-search our diplomats," as Encarnacion was arrested on felony charges under India's Arms Act of 1959 - punishable by anywhere from three to seven years

There is a lot of butthurt at not being given special privileges. And yes, the American lawmakers need to introspect on the violence in their country.

American regimes routinely invades other countries and is the only country that has dropped nuclear bombs on a non nuclear state. Recently, the Christian dominated American regime is involved in a standoff with its nuclear powered rival Russia over Crimean peoples decision to join the Russian Federation.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 05 Apr 2014 12:15

And BTW, it is not revenge unless a rouge(because doing such is molestation in India) Indian cop does a rectal examination.

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Apr 2014 13:23

New York Post article on the arrest of a US Policeman Manny Encarnacion for violating the Arms Act. Article draws a false equivalence with the Khobragade affair as the US Policeman is not a diplomat enjoying diplomatic immunity like Khobragade was. Anyway this matter needs to be closely invesigated to ensure that it is not a hijacking attempt being covered up by making the gun disappear after he had a change of mind. With the New York Post article reporting that his wife was living in Iran, Mohammadden Terrorism angle should be investigated :

NYPD cop held in India as ‘Nannygate’ revenge

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 05 Apr 2014 13:35

Sonugn wrote:US lawmakers see New York cop's arrest in Delhi as revenge for Devyani Khobragade case
Two US lawmakers have asked Secretary of State John Kerry to demand the release of Manny Encarnacion after US tabloid, New York Post, termed his arrest as New Delhi's revenge for the Devyani Khobragade affair, reported IANS
By Post's account, a security officer at the airport snarked, "You guys like to strip-search our diplomats," as Encarnacion was arrested on felony charges under India's Arms Act of 1959 - punishable by anywhere from three to seven years
There is a lot of butthurt at not being given special privileges. And yes, the American lawmakers need to introspect on the violence in their country.

American regimes routinely invades other countries and is the only country that has dropped nuclear bombs on a non nuclear state. Recently, the Christian dominated American regime is involved in a standoff with its nuclear powered rival Russia over Crimean peoples decision to join the Russian Federation.

There hve been a number of US visitors to Mexico who have been incarcerated for carrying a few bullets across the border. These US tourists have lost everything in paying money to the legal authories in order to obtain their release from prison. It is one of the reasons I don't go to Mexico. Tourist business across the border from Texas has largely disappeared due to the violence from the cartels and the reaction of the police there.

So please don't think you are popping anybody's cherry in the regard of some forgotten bullets carried by a US police officer.

And oh by the way, the US can respond any number of ways if you guys insist on taking revenge on non diplomatic resources and personnel in the DK affair. However, I don't think the above news of the police officer is an example of India's revenge for the DK affair to be quite honest. You're just glad to see an American thrown into jail even if it's on an unrelated matter.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 05 Apr 2014 13:43

and that is why two US congressmen spoke about it on record whereas not even the watchman of the lowest police in India spoke about it.

http://nypost.com/2014/04/04/john-kerry ... ge-arrest/

and the Uncle Sam's Vice pope, is being asked to intervene

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 05 Apr 2014 13:45

TSJones wrote:url=http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/devy ... 53066.html]US lawmakers see New York cop's arrest in Delhi as revenge for Devyani Khobragade case[/url]
Two US lawmakers have asked Secretary of State John Kerry to demand the release of Manny Encarnacion after US tabloid, New York Post, termed his arrest as New Delhi's revenge for the Devyani Khobragade affair, reported IANS
By Post's account, a security officer at the airport snarked, "You guys like to strip-search our diplomats," as Encarnacion was arrested on felony charges under India's Arms Act of 1959 - punishable by anywhere from three to seven years
There is a lot of butthurt at not being given special privileges. And yes, the American lawmakers need to introspect on the violence in their country.

American regimes routinely invades other countries and is the only country that has dropped nuclear bombs on a non nuclear state. Recently, the Christian dominated American regime is involved in a standoff with its nuclear powered rival Russia over Crimean peoples decision to join the Russian Federation.
There hve been a number of US visitors to Mexico who have been incarcerated for carrying a few bullets across the border. These US tourists have lost everything in paying money to the legal authories in order to obtain their release from prison. It is one of the reasons I don't go to Mexico. Tourist business across the border from Texas has largely disappeared due to the violence from the cartels and the reaction of the police there.

So please don't think you are popping anybody's cherry in the regard of some forgotten bullets carried by a US police officer.

And oh by the way, the US can respond any number of ways if you guys insist on taking revenge on non diplomatic resources and personnel in the DK affair. However, I don't think the above news of the police officer is an example of India's revenge for the DK affair to be quite honest. You're just glad to see an American thrown into jail even if it's on an unrelated matter.

How do you know that the bullets were forgotten? And by the way you should he happy at the enforcement of laws. Indian land. Indian laws. And yes, i am happy that the law enforcement agencies are doing their work properly. No need to bring Mexico into picture here. It would be revenge if a diplomat was examined rectally by a rouge cop. Stop demanding special treatment. And BTW it was your tabloids and Congressmen linking this to DK affair.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Apr 2014 13:55

I just wonder how kind US law enforcement would be if I "forgot" to take morphine or ketamine out of my bag before travelling to the US.

The interesting thing to me is that one has to actually shove a finger up someone's ass hole to realise that you can't go very far. The best method to look for concealed objects is X-ray - even swallowed packets of drugs can be seen on X ray - in areas unreachable by the finger.

So cavity search is a particularly brainless and vengeful way to treat anyone. That nincompoop who "forgot" bullets in his bag will not be cavity searched, but will definitely not forget next time. He may not go to jail but he will be stuck in the clutches of the Indian legal system for a long time.

In September 2013 there was this report - another US national who "forgot"
http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/us-n ... ort-420607

Bhubaneswar: An American engineer was arrested today from the Biju Patnaik Airport in Odisha's capital Bhubaneswar after security staff found eight bullets in his possession, police said.

25-year-old William Michael Hurtubise, an engineer with US-based SPX Service, was found carrying the bullets just before his scheduled departure on a chartered chopper from the state capital on Tuesday, airfield police station chief Rashmi Ranjan Sahoo told IANS.

He was contracted by an offshore drilling contractor to inspect an engine at a drilling rig in the Bay of Bengal near the port town of Paradip, about 100 km from Bhubaneswar, police said.

Hurtubise was scheduled to travel by the chartered helicopter. The Central Industrial Security Force staff found the 0.22 mm bullets in one of his bags during the security check at the airport, Sahoo said.

"The CISF later handed him over to police. He was, however, not carrying any fire arm," he said.

"I have no bad intention. It was a mistake on my part," Hurtubise told police. He said he possesses an arm licence in the US and unknowingly carried the bullets.

He said he reached Bhubaneswar Tuesday from Holland and on the way his baggage was also checked at the Delhi airport but no objections were raised, police said.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 05 Apr 2014 13:57

It is the inbuilt racism in Americans which comes out like that. The arrested cop is of mexican heritage.

What it actually tells me is the lax security in the US itself.

My inferences: That two congress men intervened for a cop and he has an iranian student still studying in Iran no less, there is a very high chance that he is on a CIA or FBI mission. He might be Raymond Davis redux.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 05 Apr 2014 15:06

Virupaksha wrote:It is the inbuilt racism in Americans which comes out like that. The arrested cop is of mexican heritage.

What it actually tells me is the lax security in the US itself.

My inferences: That two congress men intervened for a cop and he has an iranian student still studying in Iran no less, there is a very high chance that he is on a CIA or FBI mission. He might be Raymond Davis redux.

Congressmen will write similar letters and statements on behalf of anyone who petitions. I can show a few. What is aurprising is that a)it is "news", b) that they connected it with DK on the basis of an alleged statement, more likely an attempt to gain leverage and divert attention from the actual "mistake".

There is more than meets the eye to this story though. How does a 49 year old marry an Iranian student, and then have to "visit" her in India? It makes no sense. Does anyone know any more of the back story?

Do NYPD have a liason in Tehran for such matters? Couldnt the "wife" visit him in NY then? Why no news/image/statement from said "wife", and why not a visa for her to America?

On the other hand, you should be grateful the gentleman has not claimed the bullets were planted on him. Be grateful.

ps -- DKs wine drinking husband and even kid's nationality was fair game, and up for debate.

vina · Post by **vina** » 05 Apr 2014 16:20

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Schumer is getting his undies into twist on the possibility of NYPD cop getting into the cooler for 7 years , and so does Bill De Blasio (the mayor , frankly the only two NY Mayors after La Guardia who didn't suck big time were Guiliani and Bloomberg, Bill De Blasio firmly reverts the graph to the historically pathetic low standards) , and the local house of rep guy.

And now, they want Kerry to intervene, to ask his Indian counterparts to interfere with legal proceedings here ? I wonder if they cant imagine a babu dom response in boiler plate of "India and America are great democracies, and have independent judicial systems where the executive cannot interfere with judicial process blah.. blah" , which in plain Inglees means simply F**k O**. And the sheer irony of it all,especially after the US Federal Prosecutor Preet Bharara , got his initial indictment thrown out , and still chose to rail road a second indictment in the Devyani case out of sheer spite and better sense!

Where was Chuck Schumer, the Republican rep and of course De Blasio when the US Feds (Marshals and Prosecutors) were running amok ? Well, atleast Bill De Blasio has a good excuse, it was not in NYPD's jurisdiction, DK was an all Fed operation.
So that leaves Chuck Schumer! Save your breath buddy. There is nothing all that ranting and raving on his is going to impress anyone, and surely not a finger will move here because of this, if anything, this NY Post linking this to DK episode and NY Panjandrums ranting will harden things here against the cop.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 05 Apr 2014 16:40

And oh by the way, the US can respond any number of ways if you guys insist on taking revenge on non diplomatic resources and personnel in the DK affair.

Words that will pass admin censure cannot describe what I feel on reading that, but I hope the writer can understand exactly what I mean. A few points:
a) Not all Americans are idiots.
b) The law in America prohibits carrying bullets, bombs, guns etc in baggage without declaring and obtaining specific permission: violation is punishable by 5 years in jail - clearly a felony conviction.
c) I see absolutely nothing wrong with an airport security person responding to the criminal's claim that he is a New York Police Officer, by chatting with him about the NYPD's recent actions which have been in the world news as exemplary of their gratuitous brutality. The airport security person could also have reminded the officer of NYPD's past (recent) historysuch as sodomizing an African-American civilian with a toilet-cleaning broom handle after an "arrest" which turned out to be completely based on false suspicion - the person was completely innocent, the morons had caught the wrong person and committed a blatant hate crime.

In 1997, 30-year-old Abner Louima was married, had one child, and had been living in Brooklyn for the previous six years. Although he had trained as an electrical engineer in Haiti, Louima worked as a security guard in a water-and-sewage plant in Flatlands, Brooklyn.[1][2] In the ensuing scuffle, Volpe was struck by a "sucker-punch" and identified Louima as his assailant. Volpe arrested Louima on charges of disorderly conduct, obstructing government administration, and resisting arrest. Volpe later admitted he was mistaken about Louima being his assailant.[3]

The arresting officers beat Louima with their fists, nightsticks, and hand-held police radios on the ride to the station.[4] On arriving at the station house, he was strip-searched and put in a holding cell. The beating continued later, culminating with Louima being sexually assaulted in a bathroom at the 70th Precinct station house in Brooklyn. Volpe kicked Louima in the testicles, then, while Louima's hands were cuffed behind his back, he first grabbed onto and squeezed his testicles and then sodomized him with a broom handle. According to trial testimony, Volpe then walked through the precinct holding the bloody, excrement-stained instrument in his hand, bragging to a police sergeant that he "took a man down tonight."[5]

Louima's teeth were also badly damaged in the attack by having the broom handle jammed into his mouth.[6] He testified to the presence of a second officer in the bathroom helping Volpe in the assault but he could not positively identify him. The identity of the second attacker became a point of serious contention during the trial and appeals. Louima also initially claimed that the officers involved in the attack called him a racial slur and shouted, "This is Giuliani-time" during the beating.[7] Louima later recanted this claim, and the reversal was used by defense lawyers to cast doubt on the entirety of his testimony.[8]

The day after the incident, Louima was taken to the emergency room at Coney Island Hospital. Escorting officers explained away his serious injuries being a result of "abnormal homosexual activities". An emergency room nurse, Magalie Laurent, suspecting the nature of Louima's extreme injuries were not the result of gay sex, notified Louima's family and the Police Department's Internal Affairs Bureau of the likelihood of sexual assault and battery.[4] The attack left Louima with severe internal damage to his colon and bladder that required three major operations to repair. He was hospitalized for two months after the incident.[3][8]

d) Allowing people to board planes going to America, carrying bullets, bombs, underwear filled with RDX, etc, would, I suppose constitute "non-revenge" for abusing diplomats? Or is it the position of self-proclaimed, uniquely "American" postors that certain "Americans" are above all laws?? Should Airport Security assume that someone with a nice "American" name, say, like David Headley, should be allowed to proceed unquestioned, despite violating all laws and common sense?

Police officers, I presume, are trained in weapons discipline. Tossing bullets into one's airline baggage before leaving on an international trip (or returning therefrom) does not appear to be excusable as an oversight for a police officer. This is why the authorities in India were smart enough to realize that this was no innocent error, but something that had to be investigated.

Do they feel like they have to stick their hands or broom hangles up arrestees' asses? I doubt it, they aren't NYPD bozos after all. The only

I see is

THEY MENTIONED A DIPLOMAT!! SO THEY HAD IT IN FOR ME!!!

Sickeningly infantile, just like the post about "you guys". But not surprising.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 05 Apr 2014 16:42

Shades of Headley. The cop even looks like him. It's rather bizarre for an hispanic to fly all the way to India to meet his Iranian wife. Why not Europe or the Gulf as they are closer, cheaper and more exciting. Iranians in spite of the sanctions are still holidaying in Europe and the gulf. More to the point what do the Iranians make of this?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Apr 2014 17:42

>>However, I don't think the above news of the police officer is an example of India's revenge for the DK affair to be quite honest.

I agree with TSJ here... It has nothing to do with the DK incident. I think it's more a case of "under no circumstances will we allow any more David Headleys if we can help it"...

I really cannot understand how people can travel with bullets and "forget" it... are weapons and accessories so common in the US, like toothbrushes, shampoo and suchlike - the sort of thing which you can be excused for forgetting in your carry on... Even cultural issues don't cut it because everyone knows that you don't travel with such stuff on aircraft, and I'm sure that carrying bullets around in aircraft is not looked upon kindly in the US. Not to mention his wife is Iranian... this guy must be super-paranoid to avoid suspicion to begin with! What are Indian cops supposed to do, say: "ah you forgot about it? In that case it's OK. Don't do it again"?

Now imagine he goes over to the US and ends up connected to some terrorist event, then they'll be saying it's "revenge for Headley"!!! And asking: "Didn't they have even the slightest hint of suspicion after finding bullets in his bag and that his wife is Iranian"?

Never mind, though. It's just air. It will pass.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 05 Apr 2014 17:50

You see...american forgets a fee bullets...what's the big deal. Why you harassing the poor gentleman and tourist.

Anybody else does something in america - THE LAW IS THE LAW AND YOU BETTER FOLLOW IT CUZ ITS THE LAW AND THATS HOW WE DO IT HERE. don't like it? Go back to your country..

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Apr 2014 18:40

US rules on firearms, ammo: http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information ... ammunition

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 05 Apr 2014 18:58

b) The law in America prohibits carrying bullets, bombs, guns etc in baggage without declaring and obtaining specific permission: violation is punishable by 5 years in jail - clearly a felony conviction.

It's a good thing posters on this thread are highly knowledgeable and know US law inside and out.

Gosh, I guess I would be in big trouble if I could ever afford to fly to Alaska to hunt.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Apr 2014 18:59

More on that other American carrying bullets, Hurtubise, this from Dec 10, 2013
http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/201 ... thorities/

Hurtubise was arrested on September 18, when he was caught with eight .22-caliber bullets in his travel bag and subsequently arrested. Hurtubise has maintained throughout that he had no criminal intent for having the bullets, and simply forgot to check his bag before leaving home in Houston.

Incredibly, Hurtubise not only made it onto a plane in Houston with the bullets, but also a connecting flight in Amsterdam, and finally went through New Delhi airport with the live ammunition in his luggage. It was only when he attempted to board a private helicopter at Biju Patnaik Airport, headed for Paradip, that he was caught and taken into police custody.

Hurtubise agreed to a conditional bail plea on October 9, and was allowed to leave the Jharpara jail on October 21, but only under the provision that he does not leave Bhubaneswar, the capital of the east Indian state of Odisha. Hurtubise, a 27 year-old engineer, was originally there on business.

Numerous internet donation drives have popped up in the months following Hurtubise’s arrest, with one estimating the costs needed to argue his case and win his freedom at roughly $75,000. He has no known criminal record and is described as a genial, well-to-do young man who simply got caught in an unfortunate mix-up.

Indian authorities, at this point, are simply trying to confirm that Hurtubise had no motive behind bringing the eight bullets with him and, more importantly, how he was able to go through three airports and not get caught with them. Needless to say, the security ramifications of someone being able to do that are alarming.

There is no word yet on when Hurtubise is due back in court, nor when he may finally be able to go back home to Houston.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 05 Apr 2014 19:03

A_Gupta wrote:More on that other American carrying bullets, Hurtubise, this from Dec 10, 2013
http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/201 ... thorities/

Hurtubise was arrested on September 18, when he was caught with eight .22-caliber bullets in his travel bag and subsequently arrested. Hurtubise has maintained throughout that he had no criminal intent for having the bullets, and simply forgot to check his bag before leaving home in Houston.

Incredibly, Hurtubise not only made it onto a plane in Houston with the bullets, but also a connecting flight in Amsterdam, and finally went through New Delhi airport with the live ammunition in his luggage. It was only when he attempted to board a private helicopter at Biju Patnaik Airport, headed for Paradip, that he was caught and taken into police custody.

Hurtubise agreed to a conditional bail plea on October 9, and was allowed to leave the Jharpara jail on October 21, but only under the provision that he does not leave Bhubaneswar, the capital of the east Indian state of Odisha. Hurtubise, a 27 year-old engineer, was originally there on business.

Numerous internet donation drives have popped up in the months following Hurtubise’s arrest, with one estimating the costs needed to argue his case and win his freedom at roughly $75,000. He has no known criminal record and is described as a genial, well-to-do young man who simply got caught in an unfortunate mix-up.

Indian authorities, at this point, are simply trying to confirm that Hurtubise had no motive behind bringing the eight bullets with him and, more importantly, how he was able to go through three airports and not get caught with them. Needless to say, the security ramifications of someone being able to do that are alarming.

There is no word yet on when Hurtubise is due back in court, nor when he may finally be able to go back home to Houston.

Que conspiracy theories.......1.......2.......3.....

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Apr 2014 19:15

A_Gupta wrote:More on that other American carrying bullets, Hurtubise, this from Dec 10, 2013
http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/201 ... thorities/

Hurtubise was arrested on September 18, when he was caught with eight .22-caliber bullets in his travel bag and subsequently arrested. Hurtubise has maintained throughout that he had no criminal intent for having the bullets, and simply forgot to check his bag before leaving home in Houston.

Incredibly, Hurtubise not only made it onto a plane in Houston with the bullets, but also a connecting flight in Amsterdam, and finally went through New Delhi airport with the live ammunition in his luggage. It was only when he attempted to board a private helicopter at Biju Patnaik Airport, headed for Paradip, that he was caught and taken into police custody.

Hurtubise agreed to a conditional bail plea on October 9, and was allowed to leave the Jharpara jail on October 21, but only under the provision that he does not leave Bhubaneswar, the capital of the east Indian state of Odisha. Hurtubise, a 27 year-old engineer, was originally there on business.

Numerous internet donation drives have popped up in the months following Hurtubise’s arrest, with one estimating the costs needed to argue his case and win his freedom at roughly $75,000. He has no known criminal record and is described as a genial, well-to-do young man who simply got caught in an unfortunate mix-up.

Indian authorities, at this point, are simply trying to confirm that Hurtubise had no motive behind bringing the eight bullets with him and, more importantly, how he was able to go through three airports and not get caught with them. Needless to say, the security ramifications of someone being able to do that are alarming.

There is no word yet on when Hurtubise is due back in court, nor when he may finally be able to go back home to Houston.

This man came via Holland through Delhi. He was not caught at any airport perhaps because there were no bullets in his bag then.. That could mean he picked up the bullets in India - which would make things worse for him

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 05 Apr 2014 19:16

pandyan wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/6-billion-goes-mi ... 00124.html
$6 Billion Goes Missing at State Department

Looks like yesdee is used as a bank for all parpases.

I love it when you write pidgin english. It just makes me feel ...so darn good! It confirms some my fondest of theories.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 05 Apr 2014 19:17

In India there is a law

"Right to bare Arms"

Break the law break the bones follows in undeveloped, uncivilized countries

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 05 Apr 2014 19:21

TSJones wrote:
And oh by the way, the US can respond any number of ways if you guys insist on taking revenge on non diplomatic resources and personnel in the DK affair. However, I don't think the above news of the police officer is an example of India's revenge for the DK affair to be quite honest. You're just glad to see an American thrown into jail even if it's on an unrelated matter.

[ Steps out of the line , peeks in front , sees a long queue of russians,chinese,brzilians, serbians, Pakis, iranians, arabs, egyptians.. falls back in line ]

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Apr 2014 19:27

July 2013, Mumbai
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-c ... rt-1862478

A 68-year-old Canadian woman with a passion for shooting sports, found herself in trouble after she was caught with 38 live cartridges at the city airport. She was arrested and remanded in police custody. A case was registered against her under the Arms Act, the police said.

According to sources, the incident took place on Tuesday when the accused, Irene Mathias, was on her way to London in a British Airways flight.

During the security check, MIAL security officials found bullet like objects in one of her baggage.

“On further check, 38 live cartridges were found from the bag,” said the source. Mathias came to India five days ago.

Initially, Mathias pleaded ignorance. “She told that since she plays lots of gun sports, the bullet might have possibly packed into her bag by mistake,” says senior police inspector Ravindra Patil of Sahar police station. Sources said considering her age, the cops did not keep her in the lockup.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Apr 2014 19:31

hired to inspect the quality of bullets before the elections?

hey ram! dot his connexun to chia seeds.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Apr 2014 19:32

More revenge for Nannygate:
Revenge for Nannygate?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 062706.cms

July 2013
AURANGABAD: The MIDCCidco police on Friday arrested SundarBaidansinghYadav, a 42-year-old property dealer from Noida, Uttar Pradesh, for carrying eight bullets in his baggage without declaring them to the airport authorities. The bullets were recovered from him in the baggage scan at the Aurangabad airport, when he was about to board a Delhi-bound flight. He has been booked under the Arms Act.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Apr 2014 19:35

NannyGate revenge from 2011:
http://medcitynews.com/2011/03/st-jude- ... rt-search/

St. Jude Medical’s (NYSE:STJ) chief executive officer was arrested in India on Wednesday after authorities at the Delhi airport found a single live round tucked into a knee pocket of his cargo pants, according to media reports.

Daniel Starks was in India on business and was about to take a chartered flight from the Indira Gandhi International Airport to Dharamsala. But he was stopped by India’s Central Industrial Security Force in the airport’s VIP lounge. Authorities found a 45-caliber shell in his pants. Such a caliber is most often associated with a handgun.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 05 Apr 2014 19:38

These are precious commodities, typically only given to major non NATO allies. How is it that all and sundry are carrying them around in their pockets. Why also are they not shipping them back? At least in the iranian case it looks like they are NYPD property and not personal property. Will the US need to resort to sanctions to have to get its people back from Odisha, Maharastra,Kerala? Is there a place in India that is just not going through American's pockets with specific intent?

In Purulia, it was a plane load of material and then they came to no harm. I find it very suspicious that Americans are the only ones not being allowed to bring in the odd, small quantity, by mastake, for personal use only. The average american uses more before morning ablutions.

Is the Indian government so weak that it thinks its more important to upset a strategic relationship over disposables? These are serious questions, yet you will not see the media asking them. Instead the americans, best friends of India for over two hundreds of years, ordinary americans, honest tax payers are being made to suffer to obtain relief for an upper caste hibdu lady who has clearly broken the law of the land.

FromSIA factbook: India is a developing country who has lost three wars to its western neighbor and more with its eastern neighbor. India often tries to punch above its weight by arresting western rich tourists to draw negative attention to itself. A large majority of indians do not have access to clean water. Its judiciary, through inherited from great britain, has become unvieldly and corrupt as commonwealth oversight has become rare in recent years. Indian Railways runs a british system of often poorly maintained and accident prone trains. Air travel is only accessible to the elite. It is common for the elite to gave three even four servants and maids to cater to their every need.