Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Hari Seldon]

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Can we have a timeout from some of the hotheads here, eh? I know its hard to take a timeout from such a hot dhaga but if a namo fanboi like moi could do it for a while till perspective returns, am sure others can too...

[negi]

Kaun lad raha hai ? Ladne do yaar bahut din hue achcha fight nahin dekha. Yes please , let the fight begin.
If profanities are needed to get the thing started let me begin with "Pakistan ka matlab kya l@3d pe chadhe apna kya".

[vishvak]

Yeah no nutrician security bill yet from con race while NaMo is talking about it.

[Sanku]

Atri-ji --> w.r.t. currently evolving economic scenario, has the effect of Indrashakti's strike on India now becoming clear?

Will see the meltdown that is coming soon enough?

[Atri]

Atri-ji --> w.r.t. currently evolving economic scenario, has the effect of Indrashakti's strike on India now becoming clear?

Will see the meltdown that is coming soon enough?

First of all, I thank you for providing the alternative point of view on this thread. While I am of the opinion that LKA must go (and believe that he knows this too), I think his staying or going should be worthwhile.

It is important that NaMo receives controlled a controlled opposition, NaMo thrives on that. But it is also essential that general mood and direction of wind remains fervently in NaMo's favor, even if it means dissing LKA. As I have said earlier, he has willing taken this halahala (I thanked him for that) so if it is hurting him, he must bear it. The halahala should not tone down its potency, for the sake of either sympathy OR concern. Hence I also admire Sushupti ji (he is great at psyops) who has kept the potency of this halahala intact at least on BRF and elsewhere. Deadwood is burning willingly. Let it burn, I say.. Eager to see him in role beyond that of a data-miner.. The poison which LKA has willing taken should show him no mercy. It will be a strong message to other dissidents within to walk the organizational and "Parivarik" line..

I request all guys here to keep this thread alive and kicking.

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Sanku ji, yes, this is the onset of Indra-Shakti's effects. I had said this about two-three weeks ago but was unsure. The fun will start when they raise the petrol-diesel-gas prices. Also it is interesting to see how long can RBI hold on the fall of rupee. It will require a bold PM like PVNR to let rupee fall and settle at value which it is really worth. The full manifestation and extent to which the Indra-Shakti will strike this year will be known when monsoon is over and the overview of the crop-situation throughout is known. Manufacturing sector is in doldrums, Saving grace could be agriculture and service sector as usual. Economists here will be better able to explain the economic aspects of Indrashakti. But the real Bhog of Indrashakti will come up after USA withdraws from AFG, i.e.after december 2014. There will be a fall in west and service sector which will hold the fort for a while, too will suffer. 2015 to 2020/22 is very very very crucial and delicate period for the Mother. We are at our most vulnerable position politically, economically, demographically, militarily and sociologically and also from deracination and awareness point of view of ordinary Hindus. Beyond 2022, the situation, at least from point of view of military (if there is no large-scale war meanwhile) and executable and actionable public awareness of Hindus will start gearing up. I have firm faith in this.

Indrashakti is two-pronged. It is recession coupled with intensified Jihad and People's war in central India. It is now that the four global forces (Mulla-Missionary-commie-Western capital) in alliance with Nero-esque Nehruvians will move in for a decisive kill. Fortunately, they think India is ROI and that prior to ROI, there was no India. This is the construct which they are programmed to view through. Even if repeatedly told by many Indics since century that India is a continuously existing ancient civilizational rashtra rooted in Hindu sanskriti, it simply falls on deaf ears because they are either too arrogant to heed to it or too rigid to make any fundamental changes in their world view and understanding of nation-state (it will unravel this whole post WW2 world-order). So the forces that be will screw what they consider as India - That is current avatara of India.

Of course, the casualty will be Hindus but it will also burn off the excess fats and the swelling which was mistaken for growth in past decade. Hindus and Shias most probably would be forced to realign. If this engineered carefully by the NDA coming to power (preferably under NM) in 2016, could result in cheaper oil imports from Iran and many other things.

[Agnimitra]

But the real Bhog of Indrashakti will come up after USA withdraws from AFG, i.e.after december 2014. There will be a fall in west and service sector which will hold the fort for a while, too will suffer. 2015 to 2020/22 is very very very crucial and delicate period for the Mother. We are at our most vulnerable position politically, economically, demographically, militarily and sociologically and also from deracination and awareness point of view of ordinary Hindus.

Atri ji, I am very nervous about this period. For the first time since independence, TSP, PRC and US have a common goal in dismembering certain parts of India and clipping its wings further. Moreover, I am not sure what "Shi'a" factor NM can leverage, because the two-flanked TSP-PRC attack is actually an Iran-TSP-PRC axis. It remains to be seen whether, post-US-wthdrawal from Afgh, Iran will return to its N. Alliance avatar and be India-friendly. I increasingly get the feeling that the post-2022 consolidation you are looking forward to will happen only after we lose more territory and the secularist "test-case" of J&K fails and bites us badly. In which case there will be (or should be) vengeance and massive bloodletting (or conversions under duress) within the rest of India - though the enemy will hope for further demoralization and apathy.

[Atish]

About bloody enough of the MB, SK, TPLAG, MUA etc etc. Pls speak clearly. Thanks. Its ok if the previous few posts explain the acronym or is otherwise well known. People here are inventing acronyms on the fly and repeating them.

[panduranghari]

Atri ji, I am very nervous about this period. For the first time since independence, TSP, PRC and US have a common goal in dismembering certain parts of India and clipping its wings further. Moreover, I am not sure what "Shi'a" factor NM can leverage, because the two-flanked TSP-PRC attack is actually an Iran-TSP-PRC axis. It remains to be seen whether, post-US-wthdrawal from Afgh, Iran will return to its N. Alliance avatar and be India-friendly. I increasingly get the feeling that the post-2022 consolidation you are looking forward to will happen only after we lose more territory and the secularist "test-case" of J&K fails and bites us badly. In which case there will be (or should be) vengeance and massive bloodletting (or conversions under duress) within the rest of India - though the enemy will hope for further demoralization and apathy.

Why do you feel TSP, PRC, USA are going to be any better in carrying on with their agenda as they have until now when India fails?

[Agnimitra]

Why do you feel TSP, PRC, USA are going to be any better in carrying on with their agenda as they have until now when India fails?

Slicing off Kashmir as an independent hub creates many new possibilities. Same case with NorthEast.
Smaller, less powerful and more numerous pieces to work with. Downsizing also creates better value ad purpose definition. Plus the USA may find a more willing client against PRC in a downsized Indic core.

[Neela]

This thread moves very fast. Got held up at work and couldn't catch up.
I see Sanku ( yes, the worst thread wrecker/spammers as Karan put it) has continued with his holier-than-thou posts and has made sermons as usual....yep it is best put to use if he followed it himself.
SA Iyer ( the one with the "political acumen" ) , is from the same loins that gave us Mani Shankar Iyer. So when he writes abt 1000 Muslims dead, when he writes about Modi ruling with an iron fist, when he says his approach is unfit for a coalition, I doubt if he is talking to us, the readers. The target audience is the regional parties.
SA Iyer, hasn't said a word about the way Mani Shankar Iyer handled himself after the judgement on the Sikh riots ( that is not arrogance but the way Modi rules is ) , he hasn't talked about the 1984 at all, about Assam 2012 but boy does he come out like a fcuktwat against Modi. There are shades of that perverted w@nker and concomitant liar(MSI) in him ( read ithere ) .
So would I be labeling him with words like "political acumen" etc or would I be calling him a nepotistic, unpatriotic, bock-sucking , leeching scumbag who deserves to be neutered just like his brother? And BTW , was just scrolling through Psy-ops thread - looks like vulgarity runs in the family!
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"Political acumen".... ...still cant get over it ...Sanku does crack me up some times.

[Sanku]

SA Iyer ( the one with the "political acumen" ) , is from the same loins that gave us Mani Shankar Iyer..

Fantastic. This is really saying it like it is. This is the sort of discrimination we need to understand the world.

[ashashi]

Modi's 'Go for Muslim votes' mantra could be a poll masterstroke

s the BJP really worried about getting minority votes? Apparently it's a paradox but actually a calculated move by its leadership. By speaking in favour of Muslim votes, the BJP leadership is eyeing those secular Hindu voters who were not impressed with the Gujarat episode of 2002 and if minorities follow those votes swinging in favour of the revised BJP, then it will be an added advantage for the Modi brigade.

There is no doubt that the BJP's task won't be easy. But what has made it aiming big is the Narendra Modi factor. As a successful chief minister who has been elected for three consecutive terms, Modi is trying to implement the Gujarat model while making his way on the national stage. Some problems are bound to come up for no model is foolproof but there is a much better possibility for the BJP to do better than the 2009 parliamentary elections, because it has a confident leadership at the helm this time.

Two factors have made the BJP to get support from sections that are not its traditional vote-banks. First is the UPA's rising unpopularity among the common people. The deteriorating economic scenario is more likely to appeal to the commoners than a secular-communal debate and the relentless pursuit of Modi's detractors to engage with him over the 11-year-old riots might ultimately prove to be counter-productive for them.

[panduranghari]

Why do you feel TSP, PRC, USA are going to be any better in carrying on with their agenda as they have until now when India fails?

Slicing off Kashmir as an independent hub creates many new possibilities. Same case with NorthEast.
Smaller, less powerful and more numerous pieces to work with. Downsizing also creates better value ad purpose definition. Plus the USA may find a more willing client against PRC in a downsized Indic core.

Zomia is already in planning.



What is NaMo's(BJP) policy on this issue? Anyone?

[panduranghari]

SA Iyer ( the one with the "political acumen" ) , is from the same loins that gave us Mani Shankar Iyer..

Fantastic. This is really saying it like it is. This is the sort of discrimination we need to understand the world.

Yaar take it elsewhere. Why waste our time. Seriously, too much to read and not enough time to trawl through all the good posts.

[ashashi]

Zomia is already in planning.

What is NaMo's(BJP) policy on this issue? Anyone?

Zomia is a subject of few academicians who have nothing better to do. Not to worry.

Back to the regularly scheduled programming.....

[panduranghari]

Zomia is a subject of few academicians who have nothing better to do. Not to worry.

Back to the regularly scheduled programming.....

Zomia: Whose idea is it anyway

With the rise of India and China as the great Asian powers in this Asian century, the western think-tanks as well as strategists are worried and fabricating every possibility to weaken these core states of Asia. Since, by promoting Zomia as the stateless, ungoverned, romantic geographical as well as historical space, a powerful movement can be unleashed creating a shatter-belt across Eurasia that can make both India and China to engage against frontier-enemies with perceived trans-border support. This can derail any approaching accommodation between two Asian giants and China and ASEAN nations. Academic weaving of a narrative is moving in tandem with grassroots movement for Zogam. Moreover, US is planning to pullout from Afghanistan very soon, and the focus is again shifting to Asia’s mosaic of ethnic conundrum. Obama administration has announced ‘return to Asia” strategy and their primary focus is shifting to Vietnam ,Thailand and Myanmar. These are the nation-states where the zomia is still a powerful state-repellent space.

[SaiK]

SA Iyer ( the one with the "political acumen" ) , is from the same loins that gave us Mani Shankar Iyer..

Fantastic. This is really saying it like it is. This is the sort of discrimination we need to understand the world.

I've concurred already:

^what you expect from mani shankar aiyer's bro?

[SwamyG]

In September, Modi to address 'massive' youth conference in Coimbatore,TN.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/namo-to-addr ... 2-128.html
http://www.ndtv.com/article/south/naren ... nth-406802

Methinks, Kerala might see a Modi visit in 2013?

[muraliravi]

In September, Modi to address 'massive' youth conference in Coimbatore,TN.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/namo-to-addr ... 2-128.html
http://www.ndtv.com/article/south/naren ... nth-406802

Kerala might see a Modi visit in 2013.

Maybe i dont get it, why is he starting off in states where BJP is hardly a player. He went to AP, next TN and then Kerala. Is this a tested and tried campaign strategy to start in weak areas and then move to fence sitting/strongholds areas??

[fanne]

ya I am suprised, why no meetings in UP?

[harbans]

I think it's the correct strategy. Attack and work on your weaknesses first is commonplace commonsense. By going to areas where the BJP is weakest and having massive rallies, he is not hurting the strongholds, but making critical inroads in weaker areas. By the time he goes into the strongholds and the war cry is loud, the smaller numbers in the newer holds will listen and expand. He should continue this strategy and hold some really big rallies in these areas.

[jagga]

I think Modi will campaign in BJP stronghold areas just near the elections for maximum impact. Elections have still not been declared, doing the campaign in south keeps him in the news. Once elections are declared, his campaign will be full throttle and in the BJP stronghold area's. JMT

[Sushupti]

FSB provision for 80 Crore people in Delhi. Yes, 80 Crore is what Sonia says.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/s ... o-featured

[ramana]

Folks give it a rest. No need to get hot under the collar. Recommend cool it.

LKA, Namo or any of their stature are not going to be thwarted on their mission/quest by posts here.

[Hari Seldon]

India today's S prasannarajan on whether namo can do it or not (yawn)

must be yet another slow news day in mediastan...

[SwamyG]

This is just my guess, I have nothing to back so take it enough salt to your taste.

These States where BJP is not popular will see the current Modi avatar and campaign mode. Lots of focus on development, anti-corruption, anti-incumbency etc. As the election nears UP and Bihar will see a different avatar of Modi and campaign. He is probably going to customize his campaign and time based on different regional equations. For example in the current AP, the unity of AP is paramount than say a Rama temple in Ayodhya, similarly a Rama temple in TN will not receive the same attention that will receive in UP. BJP is working on alliances in TN. Will it be AIADMK or DMDK+PMK in TN that will go with BJP?

In addition, he is going to Coimbatore, near Salem where Ramesh was hacked to death. So he can channelize the anger of people and convert some fence-sitters.

As the campaign heads towards UP and the Gangetic plains, it will turn a little more towards Hindutva.

Again this is just a theory....one thing that would make sense is for him to customize his campaign.

[Supratik]

He is targeting areas in south outside Kt where BJP has/had some presence e.g. hyderabad, coimbatore, etc. Need to make a move on alliances Raj, Marandi, AGP, INLD, etc and bring Yeddy back.

[Muppalla]

Happy Rakhi folks.

[Muppalla]

ya I am suprised, why no meetings in UP?

dheere dheere chal, chaand gagan mea

[Sushupti]

ya I am suprised, why no meetings in UP?

dheere dheere chal, chaand gagan mea

Also, Congress-SP plans to start riots and defame Modi.

[Sushupti]

Whoa!

[Sushupti]

Sonia is now advised to take control of Tirupti's gold reserve worth 1.7 Trillion USD

The Finance Minister and the RBI Governor should jointly – and immediately – approach the trustees of Tirupati Trust Foundation. Three of these are State government appointees, and, given the current political dispensation, this is a distinct advantage. They should, of course, offer prayers and an opportunity for the already hugely rich trust to make significant additional amounts of money.

While there are no definitive statistics available, I believe the Tirupati Trust Foundation has well over 1,000 tonnes of gold. The number I was actually told was 1,700 tonnes, which is about 5% of all the gold held in India (between 30,000 and 35,000 tonnes). To get really excited, multiply that total amount of gold by $ 48.5 million (the value of a tonne of gold at $ 1,350 an ounce) which comes to between $ 1.5 and 1.7 trillion – that’s right, trillion.

These, by the way, are assets – it is money we Indians own. And, given that they are foreign currency assets, it is hard to understand why we have an FX problem.

The FM and the Governor should offer the Tirupati trustees annual earnings of, say, 3,000 cr [2% interest on 500 tonnes of gold] PLUS savings of the cost of storage of the gold, which, itself could be a significant amount. And, of course, that the gold would be safe with, say, State Bank of India and that it can be retrieved at one day’s notice. It’s hard to see how any trustee could turn this down.

http://www.emecklai.com/%28X%281%29S%28 ... eSupport=1

[ramana]

Sushupti, The above post should also be in the 2G thread.

Who is Sonia Gandhi to loot the TTD?
YSR got his stormy helicopter ride after trying to steal Tirupati hills for his EJism.

[Supratik]

Sonia is now advised to take control of Tirupti's gold reserve worth 1.7 Trillion USD
http://www.emecklai.com/%28X%281%29S%28 ... eSupport=1

this is garbage. it is unlikely that tirupati holds more gold than the official reserves. also pvt holding in india is overestimated perhaps by a factor of 10.

[member_22872]

So Lord Kubera and lord Venkateswara soon will be part of scams...finally.

[abhik]

And full of madrassa math too. It says 1 tonne of gold = 48.5 Million USD, but 1000 tonnes = 1.7 trillion. Billions are just not good enough nowadays

[panduranghari]

this is garbage. it is unlikely that tirupati holds more gold than the official reserves. also pvt holding in india is overestimated perhaps by a factor of 10.

Why are you underestimating it? Any data?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7398482n
Salient points:

1.2 billion people in India. 10 million weddings each year in India. Half of the gold bought in India is jewelry for weddings. In India, a family without gold is an "incomplete family."

Indian households save about 30% of their income compared to Americans who save about 5%.

The tradition that a bride's parents will give her gold is a financial burden to some families.

Gold is so important to the lives of Indians that the poor can now get financing for it.

The World Gold Council is funded by a group of mining companies. Its representative in India created the program to help India's poor buy gold.

Q: How can you be both frugal and conservative yet be willing to spend thousands of dollars on gold?

A: When Indians buy gold, they don't think they're spending money. In their minds, that is a savings. That purchase of gold is going to your savings account. It's not an expense, it's an investment.

Indians believe the price of gold will continue rising. It is impossible to tell an Indian consumer that the price of gold will fall, because the belief that gold will continue rising is backed by its past performance.

[member_22872]

If gold is found missing, they can say, all Vishnu maya onlee...and they won't be lying.

[Murugan]

Sushupti, The above post should also be in the 2G thread.

Who is Sonia Gandhi to loot the TTD?
YSR got his stormy helicopter ride after trying to steal Tirupati hills for his EJism.

My permanent question is why this gold is not used for upliftment of needy? Why it has not been used in past? why there are no plans to do the same for future?

When lord venkateshwara will give sadbuddhi to idiots that Laxmi he is bringing is to use for needy and not to be hoarded in his name?

I pray to Lord Venkateshwara.

Lord Krishna even did not accept Syamantak Mani.

I am sure Lord Venkateshwara will do something that these wealth is used for upliftment of poor/dalits/downtrodden.

[ramana]

It is used for the needy also. TTD funds a Uty and temples all across South India.