Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 21 Mar 2014 21:54

So now Jaswant acting up too

, where are those people who keep saying BJP != Congress. Barring RSS people and politicians with some ideologies, when rubber meets the road, when it comes to politicking BJP =============== Congress. One can accept Congress being Congress, but BJP the much touted party that aims and wants to be different has managed to create itself just like any other party. No doubt Kejriwal types are able to influence disgruntled people.

chaitanya · Post by **chaitanya** » 21 Mar 2014 21:56

Thanks for the explanation guys, lots to be learned in this thread!

bhargava · Post by **bhargava** » 21 Mar 2014 21:58

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 21 Mar 2014 22:01

When NKS, MJA types join BJP it scares me. Even inside BJP they cannot become first ring around NaMo.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Mar 2014 22:08

SwamyG wrote:So now Jaswant acting up too , where are those people who keep saying BJP != Congress. Barring RSS people and politicians with some ideologies, when rubber meets the road, when it comes to politicking BJP =============== Congress. One can accept Congress being Congress, but BJP the much touted party that aims and wants to be different has managed to create itself just like any other party. No doubt Kejriwal types are able to influence disgruntled people.

Reading your post, I think my comment earlier was tailor-cut as a response to yours.

Both parties BJP and Congress may be same if you're observing the politicking of their politicos. However there is a BIG difference.

BJP is a carrier of Hindutva Cause. Congress is a carrier of a manufactured image of Freedom Struggle against the British which lies in the past, and has no vision for the future except to let Hindus be shafted at the Temple of Secularism.

To some extent both parties can translate their causes into policies when in power. So that is a big difference.

I don't know why there is an expectation that BJP politicos would in any way be different from their Congress counterparts or from that of any other party, as far as vying for personal power is concerned. All it proves is that the Hinduva Cause is not greater than their personal interests, but it is also wrong to say, it is not there as a second priority.

Would one prefer a politico who has Hindutva Cause as a second priority or a politico who works for a system intent on destroying the Hindutva Cause?

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 21 Mar 2014 22:28

http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/local-congress-candidate-from-amritsar-more-suited-amarinder-singh-497923

http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/in-amritsar-it-s-captain-amarinder-vs-bjp-s-arun-jaitley-498470

Sources say Captain Singh felt he was pushed into a difficult contest by Punjab Congress chief Partap Singh Bajwa, who is seen as his rival in the party. Amritsar has voted BJP since 2004.

Mr Bajwa reportedly told party leaders that Amarinder Singh was the strongest candidate to take on Mr Jaitley, who is contesting his first ever election.

The 'Raja of Patiala', sources said, fell in line after a snub from Sonia Gandhi. The Congress president reportedly refused to meet him on Thursday.

By fielding Amarinder Singh, the Congress hopes to win the support of Amritsar's Sikh voters, who are seen to be disenchanted with the current MP and divided over support to the BJP-Akali Dal combine.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 21 Mar 2014 22:39

Muppalla wrote:When NKS, MJA types join BJP it scares me. Even inside BJP they cannot become first ring around NaMo.

+100
with PDP keeping options I dont expect any change in article 370. The maximum that can expect is pandits returning albeit to seperate enclaves in srinagar and status quo restored to 1990. Dont expect trifurcation either.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 21 Mar 2014 23:21

arvin wrote:
Muppalla wrote:When NKS, MJA types join BJP it scares me. Even inside BJP they cannot become first ring around NaMo.
+100
with PDP keeping options I dont expect any change in article 370. The maximum that can expect is pandits returning albeit to seperate enclaves in srinagar and status quo restored to 1990. Dont expect trifurcation either.

trifurcation waise hona bhi nahi chahiye

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 21 Mar 2014 23:41

SwamyG wrote:So now Jaswant acting up too , where are those people who keep saying BJP != Congress. Barring RSS people and politicians with some ideologies, when rubber meets the road, when it comes to politicking BJP =============== Congress. One can accept Congress being Congress, but BJP the much touted party that aims and wants to be different has managed to create itself just like any other party. No doubt Kejriwal types are able to influence disgruntled people.

Major difference SwamyG ji.

BJP cadre got rid of its NPAs without killing the old guys. If Malkani, Sikander Bakht and ABV others can be sidelined then what makes these people sacrosanct. Likewise at some future date perhaps even NaMo will have to be respectfully allowed to seek retirement.

This is not the career trajectory in Congress. Remember Sita Ram Kesari, The 3 big guys forever opposing PVNR. A whole lot of other chamchas too - some gave birth to film stars and some are still hanging around RaGa and SoGa.

The power share of the cadre within the two set ups is completely different, for a start.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 21 Mar 2014 23:45

I don't understand this dhoti Shiver. On one side NaMo is raised to such a high pedestal for his political acumen and focus towards the cause and on the other hand, we do lungi dance when everyone wants to join his bandwagon and provide him much needed respite from barbs of opponents.
Let us remember, use and throw is a two way street and I hope Modi ji is no dhoodh ka dhula when it comes to realpolitik

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 22 Mar 2014 02:26

Very frank talk with Muslim youth.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/prime- ... ory/314105

archan · Post by **archan** » 22 Mar 2014 02:56

^ Its 45+ min and in Hindi. Could you or someone else who has seen it post a synopsis please?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Mar 2014 03:13

[youtube]Ieem0xv7rHM&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
Is BJP afraid of AAP? ABP seems to be new channel front for AAP

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Mar 2014 03:28

has BJP given a lease of life to AAP through this ad?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Mar 2014 03:39

http://www.niticentral.com/2014/03/21/a ... 02127.html

LED lights read modi for pm.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 22 Mar 2014 06:48

IndraD wrote:
has BJP given a lease of life to AAP through this ad?

On one hand you feel BJP is not fighting AAP and on the other hand a subtle reference to AAP is played as lease of life to AAP.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 22 Mar 2014 07:23

The only thing going for Karthi C is that his wife is a looker. There are rumors about his marriage though.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 22 Mar 2014 07:40

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Mar 2014 11:33

In Thiruvananthapuram (Trivandrum), it seems Shashi Tharoor's hired goondas have hacked a shopkeeper/ restaurant owner named Yousef to death after he questioned him.

More rumors: Congress is not letting anybody into the Ambalathara area, where this happened!

Tharoor turned out to be real Congress material.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 22 Mar 2014 11:35

http://www.hindustantimes.com/elections ... 98523.aspx

Astrologers in Nilekani’s camp found 12:26 pm to be perfect time for the paperwork. So they sought the 12:15-12:45 pm slot from returning officer KV Trilok Chandra.

But a mysterious independent candidate named Prabhu had taken up Nilekani’s slot for filing papers, angering his supporters. Prabhu emerged from Chandra’s office at 12:35pm and sneaked away after rubbishing claims that he was a BJP agent.

The Congress fury was understandable. Nilekani’s opponent is BJP’s Ananth Kumar, who has won five consecutive elections from Bangalore South

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Mar 2014 12:48

MJ Akbar joins BJP. Would become BJP Spokesman.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 22 Mar 2014 13:06

13:20 Denied ticket, Jaswant Singh says BJP is divided: In Jodhpur, BJP's Jaswant Singh says that he will decide my next course of action on Monday after meeting supporters. The veteran leader is likely to quit the party after he was denied a ticket from Barmer.

Questioning the party, Singh today said the BJP is now divided. "Outsiders have encroached upon the party."

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Mar 2014 13:25

Why not contest from Darjiling which he did earlier. He has long history of quaralling with VRaje and want to embrase her. Anyway one old man less in NM ministry.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 22 Mar 2014 13:46

RajeshA wrote:MJ Akbar joins BJP. Would become BJP Spokesman.

Not quite comfortable with this new entrant. A major irritant is his persistent suggestion to make the yellow-sea into the official international border in Cashmere.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 22 Mar 2014 13:56

RajeshA wrote:MJ Akbar joins BJP. Would become BJP Spokesman.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 22 Mar 2014 14:01

Whats the need of accepting everyone & anyone into BJP? Not that I don't trust NaMo but it seems somebody else is making these choices for him. He should be careful.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 22 Mar 2014 14:08

hmmmm it has become open for anyone party ??

negi · Post by **negi** » 22 Mar 2014 14:10

Actually this is bound to happen ; looks like a lot of jokers are riding the Namo wave . It is like this if I have say 70 lakhs and it needs say 1 crore for getting a ticket I will be inclined to somehow get that crore and get a ticket from same side as Namo for my chance of winning increases , this is why a lot of keedas from INC are moving to BJP (they know INC has a lot of negative sentiment going for them) and whoever distributes tickets obviously minting a lot of money. Remember had it not been for Namo's good work in Gujarat BJP was going to get bitch slapped this time however he cannot and does not have control over ticket distribution, chootiyas in Dilli are calling the shots there.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 22 Mar 2014 14:19

Saars,
I see a trend: whenever something happens that a lotus supporter is not happy with, he blames others as sabotagers. whenever something happens that a lotus supporter likes, he credits it to NaMo. I think this attitude is very similar to the kongis and dynasty. Whenever something is appreciated, dynasty takes credit. Whenever something is criticized, others are blamed and dynasty is shielded. The same attitude seems to be displayed in regard to NaMo. I say good or bad, the buck stops with NaMo as far as lotus is concerned. There may be sabotagers within. But, if there are sabotagers, then they should be sidelined or thrown out by NaMo. If he can't or won't do it, then thats also NaMo's failure only. If there are no sabotagers, then these are NaMo's decisions.

----
Negi saar,
about Rukh Rukh Khan: what you said was true or just a rumour? I read somethings on net some time back and was

when I first read it.

negi · Post by **negi** » 22 Mar 2014 14:22

Dildo khan was name given to him by IPL player ; it stuck.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2014 14:25

Now now boys stick to topic and not probe such delicate areas.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 22 Mar 2014 14:33

i think NAMO is trying to stick to the basics , good gov and let people decide whether o vote for BJP or not.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 22 Mar 2014 14:37

^^ That is the crux of it. If people in their wisdom can't see this and are smarting because their caste/region/candidate got a raw deal then so be it. There is not much more he could do.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Mar 2014 14:54

If there is a Muslim in India beyond APJ Kalam and not some Music maestro and has some respect in India AND abroad, it is MJ Akbar.

Of course MJ Akbar's "Idea of India" may not fit smoothly with that of any Hindutvavadi, but BJP is going to form the next Indian Govt. and then one has to deal with the reality of India.

So I would say a very good catch. Now BJP has 3 Muslim faces, and MJ Akbar would have the intellectual wherewithal to explain BJP policy and politics better to the Muslims.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Mar 2014 15:06

Personaly I have appreciated M J Akbar over the past few years, a great deal, as one of the few sensible voices in the MSM.

In a secular nation he would be a natural spokesman for a national unity government headed by the BJP. In a sikular nation he would be crucified for association with the BJP.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 22 Mar 2014 15:11

Modi is an ideologue, with a difference. The difference is hysteria.
It is an edgy hysteria, which can mesmerise; and it easily melts into
the kind of megalomania that makes a politician believe that he is
serving the larger good through a destructive frenzy against a
perceived enemy. In Hitler’s case, the enemy was the Jew; in
Modi’s case the enemy is the Muslim. Such a politician is not a
fool; in fact, he may have a high degree of intellect. But it is
intellect unleavened by reason, and untempered by humanism. If Modi
wins big, he will immediately seek to make the whole of the BJP a
version of his Gujarat experience.

MJ Akbar in 2002: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.cultur ... ia.goa/279

Obviously there are lots that are changing. Modi meanwhile has not. And this must be stressed. Modi's focus/ideas have remained same since 2002. His speeches reflect that. Modi with experience only hones his capabilities to fulfill those ideas.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Mar 2014 15:22

Uddhav Thackeray's paper Saamna has criticized BJP for ill-treating LK Advani on the issue of seat nomination.

NaMo would have to build an NDA govt. where he not only need not depend on Sickulars like SP, BSP, JDU, RJD, NC, TMC, DMK, BJD etc., but also need not depend on people like Uddhav Thackeray and Shiv Sena. NaMo should not be blackmailable. Period.

If it were up to Shiv Sena, JD-U, they would choose LK Advani or Sushma Swaraj anyday over NaMo.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 22 Mar 2014 15:30

I think SS is part of cozy cabal who enjoyed the spoils with mafia in Mumbai. If NaMo comes to power, and if mafia is reined, the tap will be shut. It has few consequences, first it will dry up the reserves of SS and second the cleansing process may hurt SS, so they are desperate to stop 272+ for NaMo.

They just want to limit BJP to 170-180, so that one of compromised candidate will become PM, but not NaMo himself. In this regard, the aims of SS and D4 aligns with that of Congress.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Mar 2014 15:33

Dinosaur media has splashed shiv sena's editorial 'attack' on NM all over their news reels.... tch, tch.

When last did lotus publicly comment on internal matters of the sena? Perhaps it is time to do so now? Maybe pass judgment on the internal battles of the thackeray family, eh? I hear UT's younger brother is unhappy over property division...

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 22 Mar 2014 15:56

What next? Analyzing Namadhu MGR editorial?