Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Apr 2011 08:15

The foolish policy of rapprochement being followed by Congress Party led UPA Government of PM man Mohan Singh regards the Islamic Republic of Pakistan despite their complicity in the 26/11 Islamic Terrorist attacks on Mumbai: attracts comment in the Indian Press.

Manavender Singh in The Daily Pioneer:

PM’s fatal attraction ………………………….

Something has changed within India after the terrorist attacks on Mumbai in November 2008 — something serious enough to have changed the language and ethos of the average Indian. Pakistani frequent fliers to India have sensed it, and bemoan the fact. But it obviously seems to have missed the attention of our Prime Minister. He is clearly oblivious of the change that has overcome India. …………………….

Brahma Chellaney in Live Mint:

Foreign policy on its knees

The “incredible India” of the tourism ad campaign is increasingly showing itself in reality as a “credulous India”—one that refuses to learn from past mistakes or realize the costs of a meandering, personality-driven approach to policymaking. India’s foreign policy kowtows to two of its neighbours on the same day last week highlight this. ……………………………

Take the second kowtow—the decision to resume bilateral cricket ties with Pakistan without having secured any anti-terror commitment. Indeed, Islamabad has had the last laugh: the Pakistan-based masterminds of the Mumbai terror attacks remain untouched and the terrorist-training camps near the border with India continue to operate. Yet, New Delhi has returned to square one by resuming cricket ties and political dialogue at all levels. …………………………

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Apr 2011 08:17

Can some one translate the urdu in the cartoon at the right?

It shows a snake biting a cow!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Apr 2011 08:29

South Asia’s many crises
By Michael Krepon

A must read. Krepon's bottom line (blaming both sides):

India’s intelligence and security services will have failed in their duties if and when another Samjhauta Express-type attack occurs. Similarly, a highly capable chief of army staff in Pakistan should have the means to know in advance when major operations with a high escalatory potential are being planned, trained for and equipped on Pakistani soil. Given the negative consequences of such an attack for Pakistan, an army chief that fails to stop it ill serves Pakistan’s national security and economic interests.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 20 Apr 2011 08:32

Now there is terrorism emanating from India also. India is exporting terror.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Apr 2011 08:40

^^^

The UPA has succeeded in bring back the == between TSP and India, after having worked so hard to break it.

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Apr 2011 08:57

This Krepon guy is in serious need of a Kripan in his Musharraf.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Apr 2011 09:09

negi wrote:This Krepon guy is in serious need of a Kripan in his Musharraf.

What about MMS? What is he in serious need of?

Krap-on chutiya is only repeating the Samjotha == 26/11 that MMS brought about and shamelessly sold India down the Indus river. I predicted that this == would be established when suddenly, bolt from the blue, this Samjotha BS and Saffron terror was on the front pages. At that time, many here were saying its more of a domestic issue.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 20 Apr 2011 09:11

I think Krepon is an establishment guy like Steve Coll. So this is basically psyop (or a message) from Washington D.C.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Apr 2011 09:41

CIA should also take responsibility when their agent goes rogue and causes instability in South Asia.

State department should not indulge in short sighted policies which cause nuke proliferation and setting up of Jihadi tanzeems.

American Presidents should not rush headlong into war and destabilize entire regions and the American economy.

Pentagon should not support dictators and undermine democracy for their short term objectives.

There -- made the equal == equal more equal == equal.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 20 Apr 2011 10:18

ramana wrote:Can some one translate the urdu in the cartoon at the right?

It shows a snake biting a cow!

Ramana ji, Where is the cartoon ? I can try my hand with limited Urdu knowledge that I posses.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2011 10:20

Cricket Diplomacy
Letter in DT

India has always felt that a stable and prosperous Pakistan would be in India’s best interest. With India’s rapidly growing economy today, it looks to the future with confidence but at the same time it feels that non-resolution of disputes with Pakistan will continue to prevent it from taking its rightful place in the comity of nations. India’s sincere efforts must, therefore, not be faulted.

How foolish can this guy be ?

saip · Post by **saip** » 20 Apr 2011 10:23

SSridhar wrote:Cricket Diplomacy
Letter in DT
India has always felt that a stable and prosperous Pakistan would be in India’s best interest. With India’s rapidly growing economy today, it looks to the future with confidence but at the same time it feels that non-resolution of disputes with Pakistan will continue to prevent it from taking its rightful place in the comity of nations. India’s sincere efforts must, therefore, not be faulted.
How foolish can this guy be ?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Apr 2011 10:27

shiv wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: What about protesting youtube censorship?
This is one way of doing exactly that. Emails go unanswered. If you could point me to some feedback thread on YouTube I would be glad to use that thread was well. Is there a YouTube forum?

YouTube of course is a free service that is being used to build up an empire. It is their right to build an empire but it is equally perfecty OK for freebie users to utilize the freebies to the hilt. So its fair game.

Unfortunately I have zero experience in uploading to youtube or dealing with such censorship issues. It was a quick off-the-cuff comment; sorry that I don't have anything more concrete.

Here is a link I came across in google;
Defeating YouTube Censorship
Not sure how to evaluate the credibility, there is some stuff about denying 9/11 and so on, but it seems to have some ideas.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Apr 2011 12:33

Apparently various parties, MQM and other sundry organizations are impersonating government officials and conducting their own "Census" in Pakistan. Including copying down details of people's ID cards.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 20 Apr 2011 13:11

Foreign Secy N Rao just tweeted :

Hv been asked abt "resumption" of cricket ties with Pak. Want to clarify no such decision, although sporting contacts may be encouraged.

I wonder what the difference is.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 20 Apr 2011 13:49

K Subrahmanyam (RIP) July 2008 Interview

Some good quotes from that interview maybe in the current discussion they will bring some perspective.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110420.htm

What do you think about what Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has started with Pakistan?
I have a feeling that you might have peace and stability with all other States: Bangladesh and the others, even with China, but I doubt very much you will be able to do that with Pakistan.
They are not a rational State. For them hatred of India is over-powering.

The Americans have already arranged an alternative supply line with the Russians and they are listening to the conversations of these people quietly, just as they did during 26/11. So they know what is going on.
The question is who is going to outsmart whom.

The alternative route didn't materialize.

Don't you think that at least in a section of people -- the youth, businessmen etc -- in Pakistan that there is feeling that peace will mean sharing prosperity on both sides?
That kind of middle class is not very large in Pakistan, neither has it been allowed to grow. But the main point is still even among the middle class (in Pakistan) the hatred of India is still very strong. So they are not ready to condemn the LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayiba). They have subliminal sympathy.
Is that because of Kashmir?
No that is not because of Kashmir. In fact, Kashmir is because of the two-nation theory, jihadi mentality etc. I have also interacted with Pakistanis. Javed Jabbar, who used to be a minister, was born in Madras (his father was police commissioner). He told me there will be no peace in South Asia till India breaks up into constituents.
First, they convinced themselves that Islam alone will unify and Hinduism cannot. Pakistan is a difficult and troubled State.

A day should come when Nepal. Bhutan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka -- I am still leaving out Pakistan -- would be able to have a common market even something like the European Union.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2011 14:41

Rajdeep, thanks for posting the excerpts and reminding us once again as to what we are dealing with.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Apr 2011 14:45

Prasad wrote:Foreign Secy N Rao just tweeted :
Hv been asked abt "resumption" of cricket ties with Pak. Want to clarify no such decision, although sporting contacts may be encouraged.
I wonder what the difference is.

My college Kabaddi team is very anxious to play against Ladies Kabaddi team from Lawhore.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Apr 2011 14:46

SS,

This is preaching to the coir. The GOI, is not paying any attention to this. That is what matters the most.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Apr 2011 14:47

shiv wrote: My college Kabaddi team is very anxious to play against Ladies Kabaddi team from Lawhore.

Will the Lawhore team wear burkas or nat. Bliss to tell.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2011 14:57

Pratyush wrote:SS,

This is preaching to the coir.

Pratyush, at times, I have not been too sure about the choir. Even on the BRf.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Apr 2011 15:16

SS,

You do have a point in a way. At times even I have displayed WKKism on BRF and on other venues. But in defence I will say that I have never thought of putting the welfare of TSP over the welfare of India. Indian interest is first and only consideration for us (BRFits). The difference of opinions if you have noted are more due to a lack of learning. Once that is taken care, even the most liberal of BRF posters, will be anti TSP.

That is for those who think about the TSP...........

I personally hope and pray that I will live to see a day that the TSP will not even be considered a nusence to India. This has already started. To me this thread is the greatest eveidence of it. In the past this thread would meet its 72 in and arround one month onlee. But the past few threads have not had the same interest and the speed with which they have grown. We are 2/3 of the month through with this thread and it is not even half way to meeting its 72.

So we are progressing................

JMTs applies......

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 20 Apr 2011 15:36

India offers to sell cheap electricity to Pakistan

20 Apr, 2011, PTI

ISLAMABAD: At a time when Pakistan is facing acute shortage of electricity , India has offered to sell power at cheap rates to its energy-starved neighbour, Commerce Secretary Zafar Mehmood said today.

India's offer will be discussed at the meeting of the Commerce Secretaries of India and Pakistan to be held in Islamabad during April 27-28, Mehmood told the media.

However, he did not give details, including when New Delhi had made the offer.

The meeting between the Commerce Secretaries is part of the resumed dialogue process between the two countries.

India has been pushing for greater trade and economic ties with Pakistan.

Is this a legitimate offer or merely a chankian ploy or both? Sometimes i wonder, given the amount of chankian theories one sees in the Pakistani context, do all the assorted chankians in the GoI work only in the "Pakistan dept." since there is little real or chankian progress to see elsewhere.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2011 16:24

Haram ! Haram !! Pakistani airhostess caught in Chennai for prostitution

She was not probably a Muslim. A Muslim will never do that. Probably a RAW agent sent through one of those hundred Indian Consular offices along the Afghanistan border.

The oldest profession in the world may well be an organized business in Chennai.

"The prostitutes are no more minor girls from rural areas. Today we find college girls and even house wives who voluntarily sign up for the business," says a senior police officer.

In one case, a woman rescued by the police turned out to be a Pakistani airhostess.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Apr 2011 16:25

http://www.razarumi.com/2011/04/19/paki ... r-suckers/

Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican congressman from California who sits on the House foreign affairs committee and has been dealing with Pakistan since working in the Reagan White House, says he now realises “they were playing us for suckers all along”.

“I used to be Pakistan’s best friend on the Hill but I now consider Pakistan to be an unfriendly country to the US,” he said. “Pakistan has literally been getting away with murder and when you tie that with the realisation that they went ahead and used their scarce resources to build nuclear weapons, it is perhaps the most frightening of all the things that have been going on over the last few years.

“We were snookered. For a long time we bought into this vision that Pakistan’s military was a moderate force and we were supporting moderates by supporting the military. In fact the military is in alliance with radical militants. Just because they shave their beards and look western they fooled a lot of people.”

Christine Fair, assistant professor at the centre for peace and security studies at Georgetown University in Washington, is equally scathing. “Pakistan’s development strategy is to rent out its strategic scariness and not pay taxes itself,” she said. “We should let them fail.”The Pakistani crisis has reached the point where Washington is being urged to tear up the strategic alliance underpinning the war in Afghanistan

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Apr 2011 16:37

Sure, why not?

Indian resources are after all meant for "you know who" as per our very concerned MMS.

If indeed we have surplus, why sell to them? -- to keep terror camps well lit and comfortable?

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/155 ... y-pak.html

India offers cheap electricity to Pak
Islamabad, Apr 20, (PTI):

At a time when Pakistan is facing acute shortage of electricity, India has offered to sell power at cheap rates to its energy-starved neighbour, Commerce Secretary Zafar Mehmood said today.

India's offer will be discussed at the meeting of the Commerce Secretaries of India and Pakistan to be held in Islamabad during April 27-28, Mehmood told the media. However, he did not give details, including when New Delhi had made the offer.

The meeting between the Commerce Secretaries is part of the resumed dialogue process between the two countries. India has been pushing for greater trade and economic ties with Pakistan.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 20 Apr 2011 16:51

chetak wrote:Sure, why not?

Indian resources are after all meant for "you know who" as per our very concerned MMS.

If indeed we have surplus, why sell to them? -- to keep terror camps well lit and comfortable?

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/155 ... y-pak.html

India offers cheap electricity to Pak
Islamabad, Apr 20, (PTI):

At a time when Pakistan is facing acute shortage of electricity, India has offered to sell power at cheap rates to its energy-starved neighbour, Commerce Secretary Zafar Mehmood said today.

India's offer will be discussed at the meeting of the Commerce Secretaries of India and Pakistan to be held in Islamabad during April 27-28, Mehmood told the media. However, he did not give details, including when New Delhi had made the offer.

The meeting between the Commerce Secretaries is part of the resumed dialogue process between the two countries. India has been pushing for greater trade and economic ties with Pakistan.

if this is not Paki spin it is very disappointing. Phuck! Many parts of India have power shortages especially in summer, my own company does not get enough power from TNEB, many Industries in India have to put up captive power plants since they dont get enough power, someone stated 40% of Indian Villagers( while justifying Jaitapur) dont' have power. Due to lack of power Chipmakers are not willing to put factories in India.

and We are offering Cheap Power to the country that Loves us so Much. This has to be Paki spin, nobody can be that stupid.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Apr 2011 16:58

shiv wrote:My college Kabaddi team is very anxious to play against Ladies Kabaddi team from Lawhore.

But remember, no touching.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Apr 2011 17:00

chetak wrote:http://www.deccanherald.com/content/155 ... y-pak.html
India offers cheap electricity to Pak

In the name of bhai-chara, I think that the natural next step is to sell arms and ammunition to the pakis as there is a shortage of that as well.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 20 Apr 2011 17:01

If the Paki spin is to allow more Indian hydel power projects to come up on the Western rivers without too much Paki rancor and protest, then it is something positive! Anyway there is not much they can do about them, so it is only meant to calm the domestic constituency!

"Cheap" is however something that would need to be negotiated!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Apr 2011 17:46

Dawn issues an apology to my letter
They did not publish the entire letter (but modified parts of it - note - Conflict Zones) and did admit an error on their part.

REFERENCE your editorial titled ‘Kashmir killings’ (April 11).

However, the State Department report on human rights says that the over 1,600 fatalities in 2010 included security personnel too, and related not just to Kashmir but to conflict zones all over India.

ANUP MISRA
New York

The editorial was based on an incorrect report, and we express our regrets.
— Editor

Here's my original letter to Dawn:

Dear Sir,

Regarding your editorial titled "Kashmir killings", your newspaper has misreported (and thus, misrepresented) on the US State Department's report on extra-judicial killings in India.

Your editorial states "The State Department report about extrajudicial killings in India-held Kashmir must come as a shock to all, for it reports no less than 1,600 unlawful executions by Indian security agencies in one year alone." and you have gone ahead and built an entire attacking and slanderous editorial on this faulty statement. However, a careful review of the State Department's 2010 Human Rights Reports has this to say "There were numerous reports that the government and its agents committed arbitrary or unlawful killings, including extrajudicial killings of suspected criminals and insurgents, especially in areas of conflict such as Jammu and Kashmir, the Northeastern States, and the Naxalite belt, where nongovernmental forces also committed such killings (see section 1.g.). According to the Institute for Conflict Management, as of October 17, there were 1,616 fatalities in the country--including members of security forces, individuals classified by the government as terrorists, and civilians--which represented a decrease from 2,231 fatalities in 2009."

Clearly you have twisted facts to suit your mood and rile up the general population. Your newspaper has committed a grave error in misreporting, misrepresenting claims, and built a fictitious editorial based on half truths. I hope you have the moral fiber to retract your editorial and present actual facts. An apology is owed. But I am not going to hold my breath.

Disappointingly yours,

Anup Misra

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2011 17:50

anupmisra, well done.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2011 17:56

Kayani announces a lot of sops to Balochistan

On his latest tour, he addressed ceremonies marking the launching of a newly established military college in Sui and the Gwadar Institute of Technology, also an army project. Previously, the army has set up a cadet college in the province, some of the graduates of which (about 5,000) are about to be inducted into the Pakistani military. At Sui the COAS was at pains to assert that no ‘military’ operation was being conducted in Balochistan and that the two battalions of the army deployed on security duties at Sui would be withdrawn, to be replaced by the Frontier Corps (FC). He also stated that no military operation would be conducted without the permission of the provincial government (which would certainly be a first). Also, that the four cantonments to be built in Balochistan that were announced by General Pervez Musharraf at the height of the troubles following the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti, are not now going to be built and no new cantonment will be built unless the people agree to it.

At Gwadar, General Kayani announced that the army would set up an Army Medical College, an Institute of Mineralogy, and a Cardiac Treatment Centre in Quetta.

Now, what is cooking ? Why is this sudden love ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Apr 2011 18:06

chetak wrote:Sure, why not?

Indian resources are after all meant for "you know who" as per our very concerned MMS.

If indeed we have surplus, why sell to them? -- to keep terror camps well lit and comfortable?

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/155 ... y-pak.html

India offers cheap electricity to Pak
Islamabad, Apr 20, (PTI):

At a time when Pakistan is facing acute shortage of electricity, India has offered to sell power at cheap rates to its energy-starved neighbour, Commerce Secretary Zafar Mehmood said today.

India's offer will be discussed at the meeting of the Commerce Secretaries of India and Pakistan to be held in Islamabad during April 27-28, Mehmood told the media. However, he did not give details, including when New Delhi had made the offer.

The meeting between the Commerce Secretaries is part of the resumed dialogue process between the two countries. India has been pushing for greater trade and economic ties with Pakistan.

Last time I checked the central government in Delhi did not have enough spare power in the national grid to supply Karnataka with a BJP Hindutva extremist terrorist sleepless night giving government. But Pakistan - oh! Poor little moderate liberal Pakistan! Suffering so soo much. The center has electricity for them.

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Apr 2011 18:52

MMS is indeed delivering on what he had promised during his last tenure (chankians obviously were claiming as to how beautifully MMS had fooled everyone) ; when he first visited TSP after becoming the PM, TERI went there and installed solar street lamps, geysers and even distributed solar lamps to each household so obviously he now plans to sell them cheap electricity (generated from Tihri project ? for a record my village in the same region did not have a pukka road until 2005 and there is still no electricity and the nearest +2 school is 15km which takes almost 4 hours on foot).

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 20 Apr 2011 19:37

MMS is making sure when he retires down the road & finally goes home. He will have
24/7 cheap electricty from India. There shouldnt be any bakshis to pakis.

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 20 Apr 2011 20:13

Nothing wrong in making the offer. Shows the abdul's that India is prepared to sort out their economic issues in the name of "peace" and "brotherly relations". All brownie points for India.

GOI and MMS know perfectly well that the Paki fauj would all slit their own throats and everyone else's in Pakistan before entertaining such an option.

I just never understand why BR endlessly froths, swoons and has the vapours at what is NEVER EVER going to happen.

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Apr 2011 20:20

I just never understand why BR endlessly froths, swoons and has the vapours at what is NEVER EVER going to happen.

There were a bunch of chootiy@s (wont name them) way back in time, on Chinese incursion in Tibet they said "NEVER EVER going to happen", on Kargil they said "NEVER EVER going to happen" in all these years obviously nothing has happened .

On a serious note people often miss the point of this

, the fact is the Indian establishment gets to hide behind these tall promises and shift the focus from the real issue which is detrimental to India's interests. For instance after 26/11 instead of bombing the land of pure to stone age we have been talking peace and MMS making tall promises to all and sundry obviously he might not deliver on all of them; so obviously the disillusioned chankians think of it as a victory but at end of all this analysis the question remains, 'how/what has India done to deter Pakistan from not doing another 26/11' ? If history is to go by I certainly don't see any strands of straw to hang on to and feel optimistic about the future.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Apr 2011 20:36

SureshP wrote:
I just never understand why BR endlessly froths, swoons and has the vapours at what is NEVER EVER going to happen.

We are part of the game. The GoI will point at us and say "Sorry. We can't give you power. We don't have political support". We have to play our role

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Apr 2011 20:49

MMS is an old man, he most probably still think that administring Electric shock can cure Poakpigmentalitis, hence offer of subsidizing E at cheap rate.