Indian Naval Discussion

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 01 Apr 2012 19:42

Singapore-Indian Maritime Bilateral Exercise 2012 concludes

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 01 Apr 2012 22:25

chackojoseph wrote:
Christopher Sidor wrote:But what I would really like to know is that are there any 2500-3000 km SLBM planned? These would put most of the southern China easily within range from Bay of Bengal. So we would not need not worry about our second-strike option getting neutralized by any *deleted* hunter killer.
Interesting question.

1) if our nuke subs venture too far, someone might take out out nooks n mijjil and send crew back home after questioning. Else we will have to guard them with a fleet.

2) if you have to keep them in bay of bengal, then why bother with a nook sub? Build pantoons, transportable at last minutes.

Pantoons mounted with missiles are detectable. Submerged submarines are difficult to detect. If we have our Nuclear submarines in Bay of Bengal which is essentially an Indian Pond, we can take out very easily any anti-submarine platforms which might harm them.

And my next question would be, when will we go towards a 8000 km SLBM? This way we can position our submarines in the Indian ocean and still target significant area of PRC. Putting our SSBNs in Indian ocean and still making them capable of targeting PRC gives us a very important home advantage.

Currently we do not have that advantage. If we field 1500 km range SLBM, then also our SSBN have to go Western Pacific to target PRC's major economic and political centers.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 01 Apr 2012 22:30

With that logic, we can have a waterproof canister deployed in Bay of bengal. it will remain there ffor longer time and since needs to be attended less, there will be less detection possibility. Why a nook sub in Bay?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Apr 2012 06:04

If we go the low cost "pontoon" option for basing our ICBMs,they must first be based in totally destruction proof underground bases of kind similar to that which I've posted earlier,used by the Soviet Navy in the Black Sea.They will be immune to detection from sats, able to ingress and egress underwater ,just like SSBNs,when required,which hopefully not,will almost solely be ,meant for the day when the balloon goes up.Pontoon based ICBMs will prove to be a very cost-effective complement to our SSBNs.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Apr 2012 09:48

people can track where these pontoons are positioned surely . and since they cannot move on their own, they will be targeted. also with no human operator , its hard to guarantee the thing will work when its time ..... nobody in history has deployed SLBMs on unmanned pontoons.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Apr 2012 20:22

Sorry,I meant pontoon/barges which have small motors such as the aux motors on subs when in stealth/silent mode,These motors can operate upto speeds of 5kts.Since the barges s/ill never be exposed to open surveillance,even their very existence will be speculative and unknown.Located safe in their underwater/gound bastins (similar to those of the Soviets in the earlier post) ,they will egress UW only when launch is imminent.

One must recollect the USN's experimental first stealth ship ("barge") which was revolutionary in shape a few decades ago.It was scarcely detected when conducting its nighttime trials.Though it wasn't an UW vessel,its small size and shape proved very successful and the Swedish Visby stealth corvette is a direct development of that concept.Perhaps the UW BM barge could be India's secret weapon.

Rahul.ka · Post by **Rahul.ka** » 03 Apr 2012 01:51

India will purchase the MQ-4C BAMS drone aircraft

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 03 Apr 2012 02:04

Rahul.ka wrote:India will purchase the MQ-4C BAMS drone aircraft

If that is true, it is good news. We need atleast 20-24 of these. Hopefully they will also order another round of 8-12 P8-I's, after evaluating the first unit.

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 03 Apr 2012 03:12

Wiki gives unit cost of $104 million

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 Apr 2012 05:56

tejas wrote:Wiki gives unit cost of $104 million

From NG marketing item:

Provides persistent maritime ISR at a mission radius of 2000 nm;

1 nm = 1.14 miles, so about 2,300 miles radius.

Gulf of Aden to tip of 'Nam is around 6000 miles. Andaman-Hainan is about 1500 miles. IF one of these birds is allowed over flight to the Gulf of Thailand .........................

I would be worried about the link that controls them, more than anything else.

30 hour endurance.

Just BTW, Uncle plans on 5 locations where he will station the same bird. One of them is DG.

Talk of a 1000 ship navy.

Misraji · Post by **Misraji** » 03 Apr 2012 06:28

Philip wrote:Sorry,I meant pontoon/barges which have small motors such as the aux motors on subs when in stealth/silent mode,These motors can operate upto speeds of 5kts.Since the barges s/ill never be exposed to open surveillance,even their very existence will be speculative and unknown.Located safe in their underwater/gound bastins (similar to those of the Soviets in the earlier post) ,they will egress UW only when launch is imminent.

... SNIP ...

It could be the case that the over-riding concern is about what can go wrong.
What if something malfunctions? We have a nuke at the bottom of the sea?
There could be physical sabotage, electronic hacking etc.
With nukes involved, there always seems to be a man-in-the-loop to take care of things.

--Ashish

Snehashis · Post by **Snehashis** » 03 Apr 2012 07:37

INS Chakra via Shiv Aroor

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDevCFT9 ... ature=plcp[/youtube]

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 Apr 2012 08:15

^^Holy $%#^...the vid of the Shark simply surfaced in the middle of the ocean itself is so awe-inspiring.

Cant imagine the dhoti-browning moment the enemy will have if this beast suddenly pops up in front of them out in the high seas!!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 03 Apr 2012 09:55

Mis,the missile barge would have limited mobility and needs to just peek out of her secure bastion once when the sh*t hits the fan, few hundred metres would be enough ,to launch her arrows.There would be no need for her to move out into deepwaters at all and she could be safe inside harbour defences,UW barriers/nets,etc.She would have a very small crew,like those on a mini-sub for command,navigation ,propulsion,commns, and a WSO.Think of her as a mobile missile launcher like our rail/road mounted ones,with limited movement on/under water.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Apr 2012 10:13

that black silhouette and the huge sonar housing atop the fin, silent, huge, mysterious is worth the price of admission alone.
captain nemo stuff.

no other sub except perhaps the Typhoon has the stage presence and mystique of the Akula...it looks different.

aniket · Post by **aniket** » 03 Apr 2012 22:56

Flew in and out of Goa.INS Hansa is really awe inspiring.I saw 5-6 IL-38's,3 Sea kings,couple of Chetaks,a Kiran MK-2,a lone Sagar Pawan,8-9 Dorniers and 2 beautiful MIG-29K's.I also the onshore training facility for INS Vikramaditya,It was basically a large ramp in the shape of a ski jump at the end of a runway.

member_23061 · Post by **member_23061** » 03 Apr 2012 23:11

Snehashis wrote:INS Chakra via Shiv Aroor

Maza aaa gaya!

Today is a good day to die ..... for the Puke Navy!!!

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 04 Apr 2012 02:42

Snehashis wrote:INS Chakra via Shiv Aroor

[youtube]iDevCFT9nGU&list=UUGY8AzKtkbar_SRgoAN5Agg&index=1&feature=plcp[/youtube]

I cant get over this video.

Just out of curiosity when was the video taken. During its voyage to India ?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Apr 2012 07:52

probably off the russian coast. the colour of the water and general grayness speaks of north pacific?

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 04 Apr 2012 08:25

IMHO, we can build out underwater silos near A&N islands. I don't think anyone is going to pick activity. A submerged immovable target near an island will be difficult to pick up and if anyone snoops, he will have to bring in a lot of visible resources.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Apr 2012 09:56

Russian nuclear sub arrives at Indian naval base

Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine Nerpa, which was earlier leased to India’s Navy, has arrived at the Visakhapatnam naval base, officials said on Tuesday, adding that this third-generation submarine will be put in service in India as of April 5.

Its displacement is more than 8,000 tons and its maximum speed is 30 knots.

The submarine is, in particular, equipped with a sophisticated missile system capable of destroying targets at a distance of up to 300 kilometers.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Apr 2012 09:58

SagarAg wrote:Just out of curiosity when was the video taken. During its voyage to India ?

Off the coast of Vladivostok , crew were being transferred to Chakra on her journey back to India.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 04 Apr 2012 11:21

This the the moment we were waiting for

Source: LiveFist

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 04 Apr 2012 11:22

Austin wrote:
SagarAg wrote:Just out of curiosity when was the video taken. During its voyage to India ?
Off the coast of Vladivostok , crew were being transferred to Chakra on her journey back to India.

gr8. Thanks.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 04 Apr 2012 11:27

Why is that one tube opening cover coloured differently?

sum · Post by **sum** » 04 Apr 2012 11:32

^^ Errr, where are the Mithai's now that the Shark has had her bath in SDRE warm tropical waters?

Amitabh · Post by **Amitabh** » 04 Apr 2012 11:39

Great nonaligned photo

What's the ship between INS Chakra and INS Jalashwa -- a visiting LPD?

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 04 Apr 2012 11:59

India inducts Nuclear Submarine INS Chakra

formally inducted. i will keep this news updated on same link.

Ajit.C · Post by **Ajit.C** » 04 Apr 2012 12:01

Amitabh
Post subject: Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Great nonaligned photo

What's the ship between INS Chakra and INS Jalashwa -- a visiting LPD?

Only thing I can see between Jalashwa and Chakra is speed boat. if you are talking of the ship behind Jalashwa it would be either Deepak or Aditya the replenishment ships.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 04 Apr 2012 12:07

It's the new Italian-built replenishment ship... Deepak class.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 04 Apr 2012 12:08

^^^^ Its Aditya. Deepak is in WNC.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 04 Apr 2012 12:13

Ajit.C wrote:
Only thing I can see between Jalashwa and Chakra is speed boat.

^^ Yes it is Aditya. You can see its number A-59 in the second pic.(somewhat A 57 also)

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 04 Apr 2012 12:16

Hahahah.... it just struck me.

INS Ranjit was in SE Asia tour. Never thought the ship was sent to SE Asia as a cover for Nerpa.

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 04 Apr 2012 12:19

CJ, bliss to note:
INS Aditya from rear

Now check out:
INS Shakti of the Deepak class rear 3/4

And finally:
INS Shakti of the Deepak class commissioned into ENC

It's definitely INS Shakti of the Deepak class, the design is very very distinctive.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 04 Apr 2012 12:27

Yes Shakti A 57. Defenitely not Deepak. Aditya and Shakti are on ENC.

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SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 04 Apr 2012 12:44

CJ Saar..Navy Chief in his speech during the commissioning of INS Chakra said that the submarine remained submerged throughout its voyage from Russia to India.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 04 Apr 2012 12:57

new clips from NDTV & Timesnow

INS Chakra, Indian Navy's newest Nuclear-powered attack Submarine [K-152 Nerpa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQSRyptidnU

adityadange · Post by **adityadange** » 04 Apr 2012 13:14

few images of ins chakra. one of them showing its propellers. somewhere on BR i read countries do not reveal propeller blades pictures.
http://online2.esakal.com/esakal/201204 ... 591012.htm
courtesy: esakal.com

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 04 Apr 2012 13:20

That is the stern of the Yuri Dolgorukiy, a Borei class SSBN . There are several pictures online of Medvedev at the commissioning ceremony of that su.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 04 Apr 2012 13:55

please continue the nerpa/chakra discussion at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6373

I will move the posts from this thread later,
Rahul.