Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Feb 2013 21:43

As I keep saying the idea that leadership means painting a bulls eye on your front and back died in the ww I trenches -- some folks in the Hindu fold are looking for blaze of glory -- nothing could be worse -- small unexpected attacks in unexpected places -- ghamini kawa -- like in srcc -- no panipats please

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 09 Feb 2013 21:50

The BJP's attack is being lead by Dale Steyn. Congress opening batsman is grandson of Gavaskar ... . Bones will be broken ... but the middle order might still save the day

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 09 Feb 2013 22:07

Chandragupta wrote:NaMo cancels 12th February trip to Kumbh. Can't fathom why would he do that. Is he consciously steering clear of anything that would link him to Hindutva?

Because that will link him to 2002 in the eyes of media and public. I think he has left the Hindutva wagon, and moved on. There will be always some residual sympathy and ideas - dying embers. Only time will tell if he will adopt them again. He is a politician after all.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 09 Feb 2013 22:08

fanne wrote:ya if NM really drops Kumbh (unless there is a security threat), it is a disaster move. Remember, it is good to get extra votes but at the same time it is important to have your own original base energized (that is a difference between 60% turnout vs 80%). And Kumbh is communal then I guess every living Hindu is Communal. The only way to be secular is to kill each of these I guess. That maybe the next demand. Will Modi do that?
rgds,
fanne

Very very disappointing if the assorted psuedo-secular leftists have finally managed to take a toll on NaMo. If SG/RG now go to Kumbh and NaMo doesn't, the CON will score a few brownie points over him. I'll be very interested in why he cancelled his visit. Hope it's something very serious & unavoidable.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Feb 2013 22:20

If eg/Sonia going to kumbh gets them Hindu votes and Modi not going does not, I wonder if we think too lowly of Hindu votes -- Hindu votes are already accounted for folks

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 09 Feb 2013 22:36

BJP got <20% of all votes in 2009, therefore at best less than 25% of Hindu votes, assuming uniform turnout.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 09 Feb 2013 22:48

Hari Seldon wrote:^^ Heh, heh. Just what I was thinking ....

The mere presence of NM pushes the polity, endogenously, to the right (even if ever so slightly). Wish he could prevail on UPA (indirectly of course) to be more right-leaning economically as well (as in, internally liberalize more sectors such as agri, edu, real estate and so on...if wishes were horses only...)

What this also means, BJP has not been a good opposition so far. It has been pushed and negated effectively.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 09 Feb 2013 23:43

Sanku wrote:If eg/Sonia going to kumbh gets them Hindu votes and Modi not going does not, I wonder if we think too lowly of Hindu votes -- Hindu votes are already accounted for folks

+100. Modi not going to kumbh has zero effect. Going would also get a zero effect. We have direct sadhus given the mantles of UP and they could not do any earth-a-shatter stuff.

For NaMo there are no necessities or insecurities to prove hindutva credentials by giving some uber-super hindutva type speeches. His focus should be winning election and India's elections are not in ratings or overall favorable percentages. He has to strategize money and other factors per constituency level. Kumbh has no effect for such things as compared to what could bring for Delhi type speeches.

disha · Post by **disha** » 10 Feb 2013 00:25

Rahul: "Ma, This NaMo is troubling me a lot., what can we do about it?"
Sonia: "Hang Afzal Guru, we can take away his thunder"
Shinde: "Hindu terrorism... sigh"

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 10 Feb 2013 00:50

Official reason is security specially after Guru hanging.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 10 Feb 2013 02:43

SwamyG wrote: Because that will link him to 2002 in the eyes of media and public. I think he has left the Hindutva wagon, and moved on. There will be always some residual sympathy and ideas - dying embers. Only time will tell if he will adopt them again. He is a politician after all.

I don't generally use the smileys, but now must make an exception.

if you visit Kumbh at a future time, are you "communal"?

if your wife/son/daughter/relative visits Kumbh, are they "communal"?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Feb 2013 03:15

IMO, NM may just show up in the Kumbh one fine day, w/o the fuss, get some pics of his ostensibly private ganga-dip published in a few media outlets and be back in gandhinagar before the day is over.

No need to 'snub' the kumbh, i'm not happy to see this development at all...

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Feb 2013 03:53

Two ideas of India: Tavleen Singh

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Feb 2013 04:12

Overheard online: "Rahul gandhi is to meritocracy what Pakistan is to peace."

Meanwhile...
Right To Be Heard campaign: Narendra Modi is a marketing myth, says Manish Tewari

You gotta read this one. Howlarious, I tell ya...ensoi...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Feb 2013 05:22

True Hyderabadi lingo.

Howlarious!

devesh you gonna do the honors and explain for folks.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Feb 2013 06:06

Arjun wrote:[url=http://shobhaade.blogspot.in/]Shobha De's latest

Arjunji... The tackleef and hate comes at the end. The fiberals can't stomach

This is unbelievable! The same man who was called the Butcher of Godhra not so long ago, is being feted and felicitated, not just in his own State where he enjoys the absolute support of hard core followers, but increasingly in Delhi, too. It’s a fascinating story to monitor and chronicle. Its narrative involves all of us. How has Modi managed the switcheroo so seamlessly? Is it by design or default? Are we that desperate for change? Do we have such a short memory? Is Modi’s much touted efficiency winning over morality? What has happened to our earlier reservations and concerns? All thrown out of the window? How and why?
The answer is obvious. When someone says, “I am willing to settle for an era of benevolent dictatorship under NaMo rather than suffer the weak leadership of a well- meaning but dumb Baba,” it’s a remark worth paying attention to. So, we are prepared to accept a man whose track record has blood on it, over a naïve new player who earnestly swears to serve the country but doesn’t discuss specifics. Rahul’s sweet and innocent speech in Amethi made hardliners laugh. Modi’s aggressive emphasis on development, on the other hand, is winning him new converts every day. In such an atmosphere, the country’s votes are up for grabs… who knows, a mysterious new Khiladi may appear on the scene out of nowhere and leave both these men ( Modi and Rahul) standing open mouthed at the gatepost. If that does happen,fans of Rahul Gandhi will be pained to see him drifting into oblivion as a kati patang.But Narendrabhai’s supporters will have nowhere to hide. Paradoxically enough, both men are wooing the desi youth and projecting themselves as Youth Icons. More than any other mission statement they might make, what is needed on a priority basis is a definition of ‘Youth’. Remember, India’s 8th Prime Minister Chandra Shekhar was referred to as a Young Turk, pretty much till he died, aged 80.

Who is this Khiladi? Priyanka?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 10 Feb 2013 06:16

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Feb 2013 06:22

No no, Sachin Tendulkar. He is young, Klinn, in RS and can be a chumcha

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 10 Feb 2013 07:28

RamaY wrote:No no, Sachin Tendulkar. He is young, Klinn, in RS and can be a chumcha

India would be "done".. if that happens.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Feb 2013 07:31

^^ Nah, Im the dim is my guess.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 10 Feb 2013 07:54

Hari Seldon wrote:IMO, NM may just show up in the Kumbh one fine day, w/o the fuss, get some pics of his ostensibly private ganga-dip published in a few media outlets and be back in gandhinagar before the day is over.

No need to 'snub' the kumbh, i'm not happy to see this development at all...

That seems to be his plan. Only thing is the date cannot be announced because he may then be putting both himself and Kumbh at risk.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 10 Feb 2013 08:33

abhishek_sharma wrote:Two ideas of India: Tavleen Singh

Strong personalities who have achieved success will attract different people. Modi will attract two categories of people, people who are interested in:
a) Development
b) Hindutva

Though both these ideas are not mutually exclusive; Modi will be forced to exhibit overtly his 'development' agenda and his 'hindtuva' agenda will be either pushed back or will have to be undertaken with out much visibility and fanfare.

Hindus will greatly benefit, if Modi is truly secular and liberal. The Hindu culture and religion thrive under these conditions - in fact sweeping or engulfing other streams of ideas and religions. Colored me skeptic, I will be very surprised if under his PMship, Ayodhya sees a Ram temple. There might be symbolic progress.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Feb 2013 08:47

I don't even think Ayodhya is his or govt job. It is the job of Hindus and it started with the demolition.

Given the time scales the temple will take at least a decade or two.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 10 Feb 2013 08:55

Government job or not, it cannot come up without Government support.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 10 Feb 2013 10:49

SwamyG wrote:Strong personalities who have achieved success will attract different people. Modi will attract two categories of people, people who are interested in:
a) Development
b) Hindutva

Yes, these are the two biggest sets. But there is also a set of folks who are interested in a strong leader, who is able to lead from the front. The Dynasty's core competence as exhibited by the latest 2 specimens is their ability to 'lead' from the back...

Even the Hindutva set, we have to define further. I would break it down into 3 categories - Hard Hindutva types, soft-Hindutva, and those who want just secularism as opposed to the quasi-Islamism of the INC.

My feeling is that Modi always was and is a soft-Hindutva type. But, hard Hindutva folks will still be attracted to him due solely to the extreme antipathy of the Islamists towards him. Finally, true secularists who are disgusted with quasi-Islamism have to vote for Modi. INC, regional parties & CPM are all obviously just various shades of Islamism.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Feb 2013 10:57

SwamyG wrote:Government job or not, it cannot come up without Government support.

Govt couldn't stop what has happened so far. Bharatiyas are more powerful than Bharatiya govt. It is just one limb of Bharat.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 10 Feb 2013 11:27

RamaY wrote:No no, Sachin Tendulkar. He is young, Klinn, in RS and can be a chumcha

good chance. ideal replacement for mms.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 10 Feb 2013 12:03

NM is a political-economic idea. Kumbh is about Dharm-Karm. The coming together of the two would have been potent in symbolic terms. But looks like NM & VHP missed the bus.

However not being seen together is not the same as not being tied at the hip. Majboori is a bigger causative factor than pragmatic self interest.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 10 Feb 2013 12:32

ramana wrote:True Hyderabadi lingo.

Howlarious!

devesh you gonna do the honors and explain for folks.

"howla" is someone who is a moron but roams around as the "king of the street".

he is howla b/c
1. he thinks he is a "king" of any kind.
2. decides to make himself the king of the "street": his own comprehension cannot go beyond that.
3. the more mockery he receives, the more "king"-like he feels.

that is "howla". closest translation in English is "wagabond".

in modern day, "howla" has become a fairly loose term though. anybody who is good at wasting time on self-glorification and likes to roam around meaninglessly, is a "howla".

although the term no longer is used strictly for those.

it's almost like "saala" in Hindi. in Hyd, very commonly used. but don't go around calling random people "howla". definitely not a polite term to use. not even close.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 10 Feb 2013 12:39

Aspiring liberal columnists run out of Modi comparisons

Hilarious article....Vina, Anand K and other Dynasty-fans might want to pick up a few hints from this site. Hitler comparisons are getting somewhat stale.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Feb 2013 16:17

All those who dared air CTs suggesting Togadia is an INC mole,pls take a bow... what follows below is as close to confirmation as it can get...

There's a Togadia behind the Modi mask, says VHP president

The Modi masks gave the illusion of his omnipresence during the Gujarat polls, but the man himself is now desperate to camouflage his hawkish image behind the mask of development. And it's Modi's one-time crony who now wants to rip it off and bust his makeover mission. VHP president Praveen Togadia threatened to call the Gujarat Chief Minister's bluff during an exclusive interview to Rahul Kanwal in Aaj Tak's Seedhi Baat and Headlines Today's Hot Pursuit.

"There's a Togadia behind the Modi mask. There's a portrait of Hindu Rashtra behind the veneer. How do you know if there isn't a tacit understanding between us? I am not competing with anybody for the Hindutva mantle. I am behind every leader, who supports the cause of the Ram temple."

Aah. The MNS strategy being put to use by INC against NM, perhaps? To attack the right, go right-er and attack fromwhere they won't expect to be hit. Zimble, no?

Togadia also refused to endorse Modi for the prime ministerial post despite a rising chorus at the Hindutva Mahakumbh at Allahabad for the Gujarat CM's elevation.

"We don't cater to aspirations and ambitions of individuals. The VHP conclave didn't pass any resolution supporting anybody. It's the BJP's decision to project a leader of their choice. There was only a handful seers, who voiced support for Modi, there was no official endorsement," he said.

The doctor of hate, who triggered nationwide outrage with his venomous speech near Owaisi's hinterland, is not mincing words to puncture Modi's effort to break out his Hindutva mould. "Any PM aspirant should not forget that the road to Delhi passes through Ayodhya. The saffron cadre on the ground will only support such a leader who swears by the Hindu nation, the Ram temple and is ready to scrap Article 370," he said.

Meanwhile, india today ends with:

But Togadia and Modi who were once unseparable twins and together blurred the lines between the saffron fringe and mainstream politics are now fighting for the same constituency with different agendas. Modi faces the biggest enemy within.

cute, or what? Anyway, yawn. moving on to more fact based rather than media based events...

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Feb 2013 18:15

Guha Gargles Goo Again

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Feb 2013 18:36

It's not just Modi's trip to kumbh but also Mafia queen also cancelled.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/sonia ... 130210.htm

The proposed visit of Congress president Sonia Gandhi [ Images ] to the ongoing Maha Kumbh in Allahabad has been cancelled due to "want of cooperation" of the Samajwadi Party government in Uttar Pradesh [ Images ] in making security arrangements, the party's state unit alleged Sunday.

"We felt upset upon receiving information last night that the state government has expressed its inability to provide the necessary security arrangements for Sonia ji's proposed visit," UPCC spokesman Kishore Varshney told PTI.

"We never expected such treatment from the SP government in the state, which had received generous assistance from the Centre for organising the congregation," Varshney said.

He said, "The party president had been planning her visit for the past one week. She kept waiting for the state government's response but the latter apparently had other thoughts".

The UPCC spokesman alleged that, "The state government has a guilty conscience as it has failed to properly utilize the funds given for Kumbh and has been squandering the money on its own publicity".

"This is not the first time when a non-Congress government in UP has tried to hinder Gandhi's visit to Kumbh," he claimed.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 10 Feb 2013 19:53

It's vagabond not wagabond
Houla also a noun form
Called houlpit

One who is houla
Houla is also freak eccentric to idiotic to unpredictable irrational
Person as well

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 10 Feb 2013 20:41

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Rahul-Gandhi-set-to-tone-up-Congress-partys-functioning/articleshow/18429370.cms

Whaat ?! Am I reading this right ? Rahul Gandhi complaining of nepotism in Congress culture ??

"Nepotism in the organisation's structure is a cause of great concern and there is a need to arrest this tendency firmly," it had said, insisting that there must be a robust and efficient system for monitoring and appraising performance of the party functionaries on a regular basis.

The Dynasty and its supporters must be easily the lowest-IQ, most cretinous species to be found anywhere in the world.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 10 Feb 2013 20:48

Arjun wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Rahul-Gandhi-set-to-tone-up-Congress-partys-functioning/articleshow/18429370.cms

Whaat ?! Am I reading this right ? Rahul Gandhi complaining of nepotism in Congress culture ??

"Nepotism in the organisation's structure is a cause of great concern and there is a need to arrest this tendency firmly," it had said, insisting that there must be a robust and efficient system for monitoring and appraising performance of the party functionaries on a regular basis.
The Dynasty and its supporters must be easily the lowest-IQ, most cretinous species to be found anywhere in the world.

That may be true about "Clown Prince"... but I think this is their strategy to preempt questions on Dienasty-giri.

Q: What is great achievement of CLown Prince ?
Ans: Establishing "Democracy within CONgress party"

Q: What is DIEnasty's biggest concern ?
Ans: Nepotism

Hence no need to question DIEnasty because they are fighting for Democracy and against Nepotism only....

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Feb 2013 21:23

Per news reports -

NM is forced to cancel his visit to Kumbhmela because the Kumbhmela comittee (the same one who didn't get enough water released from UP and the same govt minister who proclaimed his party/govt let kumbh be used to make a political statement like NM is the pm candidate) told him they cannot provide security for him in view of Afjal Guru hanging. One would wonder why the security situation becomes any different in a secular UP under secular govt? Are they saying the Muslims of UP are terrorists and support a terrorist like Afjal Guru?

Just to make an == Sonia Gandhi also cancelled her trip.

One shot two birds - a christian Sonia need not take Kumbh dip to appease Hindus and NM's coronation of Hindu Hridaya Samrat is stopped.

One can connect the dots one wants...

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 10 Feb 2013 21:42

Many feared dead as stampede breaks out at Allahabad railway station

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 433889.cms

At least 15 people are feared dead and several injured in a stampede that broke out at Allahabad railway station on Sunday evening, according to Times Now.However, authorities remained tight-lipped about the number of casualties.

According to reports, the stampede broke out after a railing on a footoverbridge collapsed at the platform number 6 of Allahabad railway station.Eyewitnesses, however, said that the stampede was triggered after police lathicharged people in order to control the huge rush at the station.Many of the injured complained that administration delayed action by over 2 hours following the tragic incident.

Over three crore people converged at the Sangam for a holy dip on the occasion of " Mauni Amavasya" on Sunday, considered the most auspicious day during the 12-yearly congregation.

News Channels quoting the Number of dead being 20.Authorities being really careless.No emergency number released for worried relatives till now.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Feb 2013 21:54

^ manufactured stampedes.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 10 Feb 2013 22:03

^^During Mandal days Cons would convince, say a not so bright awara type student, to go for a mock self-immolation. They will assure student, don't worry we will extinguish the fire immediately and you will be safe. But in reality they will put more oil and make sure no pne comes to help the poor guy. There were two such cases in Varanasi in my knowledge and rumors about how con goons burnt student and declared it as self-immolation attempt in many other districts of UP.

So don't underestimate Congress in UP, they have very deep roots.