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http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/commen ... 49811.html

Islamic State & its massive havoc- Western role seems double-edged
ONLY the other day The New York Times published, under the heading “Truth About the Wars”, the confidential views of Major-Gen Michael K. Nagata (retired), formerly a senior commander of the special forces in the Middle East for more than a decade beginning with the American invasion of Iraq in 2003. By now it is well established that this war was launched by the neo-conservatives on the demonstrably false accusation that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction. In this particular case WMD turned out to be Words of Mass Deception. So candid and significant are Gen Nagata's revelations that they need to be quoted at some length and in his own words, not paraphrased. “As a senior commander in both Iraq and Afghanistan”, he records, “I lost 80 soldiers. Despite these sacrifices and those of thousands more, all we have to show for it are two failed wars. This fact eats one every day and Veterans Day is tougher than most”.
For this disastrous outcome the General blames the US policy of regular “surge” in the deployment of troops at various stages of both the wars in the hope that this would do the trick. What happened instead was that, in the end “shackled to a corrupt, sectarian government in Baghdad and hobbled by our fellow-Americans' refusal to commit to a fight lasting decades, the surge just forestalled today’s stalemate. The remnants of Al-Qaida and the Sunni insurgency we battled for more than eight years simply re-emerged as the Islamic State, also called ISIS”. Arguing that American military is made for Desert Storm, not Vietnam, Nagata confessed that as a General he, along with his colleagues, had got it wrong. “We backed ourselves, season by season, into a long-term counter-insurgency in Iraq and then compounded it by extending it to Afghanistan”.
No wonder that an in-depth study of the Islamic State by Yale University on “where it came from and what it really wants” begins with General Nagata's blunt commentary. The broad conclusion of the study is that that “ISIS is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse”. This runs counter to President Barack Obama’s assessment on which his policy is based. In all his speeches he emphasises that, instead of being Islamic, the ISIS is “totally un-Islamic” or even “anti-Islamic”, and that it is Al-Qaida's “jayvee team”. However, the author or authors of the Yale report stand by their conclusions and cite General Nagata again to the effect that “we have not defeated the Islamic State's idea and we do not even understand the idea”. Indeed, the Yale report goes so far as to assert that official misreading of the ISIS may have contributed to “significant strategic errors”.
It was only in June last that the Islamic State seized Mosul, the second biggest and important city in Iraq, but now rules an area larger than the United Kingdom. Abu Bakr Baghdadi has been its leader since 2010 but only on July 5, 2014, did he emerge from obscurity and declare himself the Caliph of all Muslims. Thereafter he has rarely spoken on camera. But the objectives and programmes of the ISIS are viral on the social media. The report adds that it is wrong to believe that Jihadism is monolithic, if only because the ISIS is vastly different from others. Among the 16 decisions, edicts, and duties it displays on its billboards, licence plates and coins, peace is rejected as a matter of principle, while a “humongous genocide” is a valued objective. The ISIS describes itself as a “harbinger of imminent end of the world and a path to the Day of Judgment”. Everyone is enjoined to adopt “Prophetic Methodology” defined as a return to the seventh century legal environment. In September last the chief spokesman of the Islamic State, Sheikh Abu Mohammad al-Adnani, called upon the Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head, run him over by car, poison him or destroy his crop”. The Islamic State now awaits the Army of “Rome” whose defeat at Dabiq in Syria “will initiate the countdown for apocalypse”.
There is a deep and widespread feeling that a mere bombing of the Islamic State to help the Iraqi Shias and Kurds fighting the ISIS Sunnis is not enough. Yet no Western power is prepared to put boots on the ground to join those fighting the Islamic State. At present the mood of the ISIS's enemies is buoyant because 30,000 Iraqi troops are engaged in “liberating” Tikrik, a major town near Mosul. However, several such interludes have come and gone without anything worthwhile being achieved. There is a difference between political Islam, best represented by Muslim Brotherhood that won an election in Egypt, the most powerful country in the Arab world. But when Egypt's army chief, Gen Abdul Fattah el-Sisi, threw out the Brothers and took over, the happiest country was Saudi Arabia under the late King Abdullah. There is a possibility that the Saudi policy might change under the new King Salman.
On the other hand, Iran continues to be the strongest supporter of the Shias in Iraq and this factor has added to America's keenness to have a nuclear agreement with it. Washington and Tehran are inching towards such a deal notwithstanding the messy, if powerful, opposition to it that the Republican of the US and the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, are jointly offering to the point of insulting President Obama on American soil.
Strangely, the head of Iraqi Parliament's defence committee has confirmed that the US-led coalition's planes airdrop weapons for the ISIS, too, and that the Iraqi army had shot down two British planes that had dropped arms to the Islamists in the Anbar province. If really so, what hope can there be to defeat the Islamic State?
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A conspiracy of common sense... No one on the boundaries has any interest in stability in a Middle East where Islam is the dominant idiotity. Therefore, if religiobots exist in that part of the world, and they clearly do, then they will be used by those who are not constrained by rules handed down by a 6th century bedouin.
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some isis deserters tried to escape dressed up as women, complete with stolen makeup . some were rounded up.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_T80GDVEAAU4DE.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_T80CKVEAEG_uF.jpg (NSFW)

ISIS has a huge number of sympathizers on twitter, many get banned but return under new handles. they are keeping up a steady stream of tweets, photos and even videos to refute the claims of the other side. lot of psyops being waged by both sides. IS definitely has a lot of sharp and witty subhchintaks to run their media campaigns.

there are also a good number of western activists, wannabe journos and think tanker type femme drones mixed in with the lot retweeting news, sounding dark warnings about kamoonalism and so on.
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Singha wrote:some isis deserters tried to escape dressed up as women, complete with stolen makeup . some were rounded up.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_T80GDVEAAU4DE.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_T80CKVEAEG_uF.jpg (NSFW)
That's kind of ironic, considering that ISIS uses 'attractive' jihadists as 'eye candy to recruit British girls into extremist groups' :mrgreen:
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Quote from the above,Tx Wig.

In September last the chief spokesman of the Islamic State, Sheikh Abu Mohammad al-Adnani, called upon the Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head, run him over by car, poison him or destroy his crop”. The Islamic State now awaits the Army of “Rome” whose defeat at Dabiq in Syria “will initiate the countdown for apocalypse”.

"Apocalypse Now" indeed. Any western "Crusader"leader who does not understand the language of ISIS needs to be handed over to them! Just as the US neo-cons waged war against the infidel Saddam,etc.,so too has the pendulum swung back with a vengeance. The treachery by the oily bumchums of Uncle Sam in supporting ISIS clandestinely is only matched by the treachery of the entities in the West,who as reported are also allegedly supplying weaponry (the British) to them,while pontificating at home in the halls of democracy!

This is a war without any compromise,a fight to the finish.This barbaric version of Islam which is gaining ground and grenadiers by the day has to be exterminated.There is no other solution. Time to seriously consider for a start,the carpet bombing of ISIS strongholds wherever they are with B-52s,B-2s,etc.,dropping MOABs,etc. If that doesn't work then what,WMDs?
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Why are Islamic mob hallucinating about Syria, picking up some apocalypse mumbo jumbo here and there, when it is clearly not another Arap mob - or is it because so?
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... riess.html

The wahabi warriors just got the crusader they see in their dreams lol
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"Apocalypse Now" indeed. Any western "Crusader"leader who does not understand the language of ISIS needs to be handed over to them! Just as the US neo-cons waged war against the infidel Saddam,etc.,so too has the pendulum swung back with a vengeance. The treachery by the oily bumchums of Uncle Sam in supporting ISIS clandestinely is only matched by the treachery of the entities in the West,who as reported are also allegedly supplying weaponry (the British) to them,while pontificating at home in the halls of democracy!



Phillip, please read up on millenarianism specifically millennialism. We must respect Abrahamic doctrines.
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^^ Thanks for the post, hmmmm wonder why benefactors of the anti ISIS factions never make it into the mainstream press.
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Agnimitra wrote:
Singha wrote:some isis deserters tried to escape dressed up as women, complete with stolen makeup . some were rounded up.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_T80GDVEAAU4DE.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_T80CKVEAEG_uF.jpg (NSFW)
That's kind of ironic, considering that ISIS uses 'attractive' jihadists as 'eye candy to recruit British girls into extremist groups' :mrgreen:

Makeup nevertheless, how was the deserter in the second pic planning on hiding his mustache. :roll: Not the brightest I say..Islamic State of Idiots and Scums indeed.

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the apprehenders don't look like ISIS... regular iraqi? shia militia?
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ramana wrote:Its possible that Netanyahu's protestations are psy-ops to make Iran think they have a good deal.


OTH, ISIS and Iran have the most incentive to hurt Israel to bolster their place in the Islamic totem pole.

By extirpating the Israelis, Europe has transferred their problem to West Asia and by arming and abetting Wahabism they have resurrected the dangers to Israelis.
Bibi is only looking as far as elections right now. Bibi's platform is "bomb Iran now" and he is happy with the free publicity. Israelis are suckers for the muscle, and Bibi has proven he can push his agenda, regardless of what it is, over the POTUS. Walk into white house kitchen and make himself a sandwich and no one would be able to stop him.

Its all well and good for the elections, but tomorrow the GoP will need re-electing and day after the president of Yemen will want similar treatment. Bibi has opened a pandora's box due to Kerry "I cant deal with this right now, I have a couple wars to start and pakistans to look after". This genie is not going into the bottle again.
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Singha wrote:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... riess.html

The wahabi warriors just got the crusader they see in their dreams lol
Perhaps Friess’s most impactful effort for the Kurds has been in using his weight to press Congress to help them. Foster has wielded his influence to lobby lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to support Kurdish militias, including such figures as Democratic lawmakers Sen. Harry Reid and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard.

“Foster Friess agrees with me on this issue—in order for there to be military success on the ground and defeat ISIS, the U.S. must provide the heavy weapons and arms directly to trusted fighters, such as the Kurds,” Gabbard said.
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Lalmohan wrote:the apprehenders don't look like ISIS... regular iraqi? shia militia?
they were probably trying to sneak out with civilians exiting the area and caught at check points.

the highways to the north and south are patrolled by the iraqi regular army. they seem to be in holding position.

from the east, the shia militias and iranian artillery is advancing slowly.

the west is a desert zone and apparently left open , maybe some chankian scheme to flush them out into the desert and hunt them there. could be under eyes of US drones.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst
Intelligence agencies closely examine trade with UAE on fears of rising black
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NEW DELHI: The surge in bilateral trade with the United Arab Emirates in the past few years is
being closely examined by intelligence agencies over concerns that some of it could be due to money
laundering and the movement of black money through trade mispricing.Select items are under watch to check whether the participants were engaged in enuine trading operations. The intelligence agencies are especially keen on sniffing out the inflating or undervaluing of expo ..The intelligence agencies are especially keen on sniffing out the inflating or undervaluing of exports and imports. Sudden surges or unnatural trade patterns are being closely watched by these agencies. Customs authorities are being given special intelligence briefings so that they can crack down on wrongdoing without affecting lawabiding traders.UAE rose to become India's biggest trading partner in 2012-13 from the ninth
spot in 2000-01, though it has slipped to the third position in 2014-15 so far, just behind China and the US. The increase is almost entirely due to the emergence of Dubai as a preferred global hub thanks to its free-trade zones. Besides the round-tripping of cash and money laundering, the suspicion is that drug and crime earnings are also being routed back into India under the guise of trade, an ..More recently, DRI uncovered a consignment valued at more than Rs 2,000 crore headed to Dubai that was actually worth a lot less, besides containing something completely different from what had been declared.The Justice MB Shah-led special investigation team on black money is also examining the routing of capital goods trade by businesses using ports in the Middle East. The trend change in India's trade with the UAE came in 2008-09, when imports rose 76% to $23.8 billion while exports climbed 56% to $24.4 billion. UAE's share in overall exports rose to 13.2% that year from 9.6%
the year before, while that in imports it rose to 7.8% from 5.36%.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rifOzyL ... e=youtu.be

disabled iraqi soldier still willing to man a HMG back of a truck
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Interestingly,it is not the ISIS top leadership (supported by the US's oily bumchums like the Saudis and Qataris) who have been exterminated,but the lesser evil and ISIS rival ,Al Q!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ttack.html
Syria: senior figures in Nusra Front killed in attack
Al-Qaeda-linked group says military commander died at militant meeting, but there is no word on Abu Mohammed al-Jolani, its overall leader

By Reuters
05 Mar 2015

Al-Qaeda's Syrian wing, the Nusra Front, announced on Thursday the death of its top military commander, whom insurgent sources said died in an air strike that targeted senior militant leaders.

General Military Commander Abu Humam al-Shami, a veteran of wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, was the most senior member of the group to die in the Syria war, according to to an insurgent source.

The jihadist group used social media to announce that three other leaders were also killed.
But there was no word on the group's overall leader, Abu Mohammed al-Jolani, who was also reportedly at the meeting in the northwestern province of Idlib.

Insurgent sources said a US-led coalition air strike hit the gathering in Salqin, near the border with Turkey, but a coalition spokesman said it had not conducted air strikes in the province during the past 24 hours.

Syrian insurgents have in the past killed member of rival militant groups by planting bombs at meetings. The blast comes at a time of flux for the Nusra Front, which is waging war on other insurgents and also looking for support from Gulf states, sources in Nusra have said.

"The Islamic Nation is bleeding because of the news of the martyrdom of Commander Abu Humam," Nusra Front said on Twitter.

"It's a major blow to Nusra. A very painful, very powerful hit," one insurgent source said, declining to be named as he was not allowed to speak to the media.

The United States has carried out strikes against one of Nusra's jihadi rivals, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, in Iraq since July and in Syria since September. It has also targeted Nusra fighters in Syria.

The Nusra Front has also battled western-backed Syrian rebels this year, seizing their territory and forcing them to disarm so as to consolidate its power in northern Syria.

Hazzm, one of the last remnants of non-jihadist opposition to President Bashar al-Assad in northern Syria, dissolved itself last week after weeks of fighting with the Nusra Front.
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i have a feeling that sunni troops who were captured by ISIS were given the 'with us or against us option" and they eagerly embraced their birathers to save their necks, now that the tide is shifting, they are getting back to their lines, or just trying to get home
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More sunni tribes are expected to change sides shortly.
They need more sunni militia for the mosul campaign.
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Take a look at @Isham_AlAssad's Tweet: https://twitter.com/Isham_AlAssad/statu ... 43392?s=09

Is positions are about to get islanded and fragmented at multiple points.

Eastern militias are pushing up. The well equipped sf and regular army units
From camp speicher in north and baghdad in south are closing the trap
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so post IS rout (give it another 6 months) - the pax Iranica will be established across the shia/kurd arc to the north of mesopotamia? the sunni caliphate in hiding will move to the south and new borders will be drawn...
the core jihadi element may not be more than a few thousand, all the temporary allegiances will have reverted back and IS will melt away and there will be savage retribution against the head choppers
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Dont get your hopes up. IS has shown its intent to tunnel/car/belt/whatever. they will melt into general populace and hit back that way in iraq. nothing is kicking them out of raqqa in six months. the west needs them until the syrian "training" is completed.

IS were surprised when they got the land, and were never hoping to hold mosul etc for as long as they have. They are east syria, until the "moderate" east syria rises. then they will be quietly forgotten.

As an entity, iS will stick around quite a bit longer. As a land owner, may be not many more years.
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Isis have killed 8 shia and hung them upside down
At a toll gate in tikrit as a lalkaar to the shia militia

Pic is in twitter
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perfect, and now the shia will fall upon the populace as wolves upon the sheep
and so the citizens will welcome back their erstwhile tormentors...
so very medieval
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I guess thats the general idea....its meant to raise fury....

MATTY ICE ‏@MattyIceAZ 3h3 hours ago

Karl Rove is still looking for the truth in Benghazi. I guess he gave up looking for WMDs in Iraq.
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Nimrud and Hatra two well preserved greco-roman cities around 2000 yrs old have been bulldozed by ISIS.

location was near Mosul.
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ISIS units in tikrit
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Soqe9UwAAC2Eg.jpg
iraqi mobile unit entering tikrit airport
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_ZX_mRU8AAS6Vk.jpg

another isis commander in a burqa caught
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_cL2p2WYAAjJXA.jpg
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i wonder if that floral pattern on the abaya is halal?
or if he's got to be whipped first before they shoot him for breaking the dress code?
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120km north of tikrit the next Isis stronghold of
Hawija has been blocked by militia and peshmerga to stop
Them coming south.

The tikrit thing is going slow and methodically
Draining the pus from surrounding towns first and dropping
Police units to keep law n order. No excited charges.

They r doing what they can with people and resources
available. The old hardened Iraqi army would do this
Much quicker using heavy arty And armour but all
That's left are grandpas in the militias who served in
The Iran war. They r still risking their lives by fighting
To free the sunnis now.
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seems to be agile startup style mgmt. the old gen going around sitting on a dirt bike
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_nC9ZxU0AEponE.jpg
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In an interesting move, the Russian ambassador said that Putin recognized the Hadi rump govt based in Aden. Ouch. That will mean that the Houthis cant bank on Russian support.
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there are clashes between houthi and AQ elements in yemen.

a town called Al-Alam due north of tikrit has been taken by Govt. this closes the one remaining route north from Tikrit to the next ISIS stronghold 100km up.

IS is now compressed into a long narrow pocket inside the main city along the river.
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Iraqis need to beef up on armour, engineering and artillery if they want to take Mosul without a 6 month fight.

Mosul is around 5-10 larger in area and well stocked with IS fighters.

methinks some armour thrusts will be needed to breach the ISIS lines and compress them into islands for mopping up.
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A piece in the DC about the new Saudi monarch's policy on the region is most disturbing.He has acted v.fast upon ascending the throne. Quickly establishing the pecking order in the house of Saud and iss proceeding upon a path fraught with danger for secular non-Islamic nations around the globe,esp. those with significant Muslim populations like India.

He has apparently reached out to the MB'hood in Egypt,has promised to promote Wahaabism in greater measure to their clerics,is creating a de-facto Sunni politico-military confederation which will include Qatar,Egypt,Turkey and others,and will counter the Iranians and Shiites wherever it pleases him. well as He also wants a greater military participation from the Pakis,both in SA as ell as in other hotspots like Yemen.This may be difficult for the Pakis,beset with their own anti-establishment foes and woes at home,but can they say no to their master who holds the golden purse in his hands? Such a pro-active Saudi foreign policy with the support of a regional Sunni bloc. would spell disaster for the region. The big Q is will the US continue to pander to the Saudis if they pursue their military adventurism?
Perhaps the new monarch has dreams of being the new "Caliph" of the Muslim world as after all he is already "the keeper of the two holy places".
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US will likely try to keep turkey out with threats of nato membership being in danger, develop the Kurds, go easy on Iran and pump up Jordan (and a new syria if it can) to keep this new cabal under "control"
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Strangely, I don't see a lot of news on KSA and Salmans fetsh for Wahabbism. Which makes me think if the media is deliberately going slow on the Sunni developments... as always.

But it also begs the question: why so for Sunni Islam alone?
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the presence of ISIS near Kirkuk would be come dicey after Tikrit falls and Govt forces advance another 100km up the road.
that would have the kurds in front and govt in the rear ... I would think they will rapidly withdraw and try to mount a stout defence in a couple of large towns between mosul and tikrit.

the Govt should use swift hummer+M113 type raiding units to puncture the ISIS presence on the highway at multiple points and break them into islands that can be contained and destroyed piecemeal.

there is plenty of room for armour warfare both side of the highway, terrain is easy with good visibility.

helicopter gunship units can also target known ISIS locations. photos of Mi28N flying over baghdad have been seen.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_uKKmGUsAA10nj.jpg:large

this kind of vehicle provided can raid long distances at night.
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good ready reckoner on current Libya factions:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31815616
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