Bharat Rakshak

Bade wrote:That is what I said earlier. His brother's details are missing from news if he has one as claimed...a veteran too. The three letter agency was at the site very early itself....and they were not outright calling it terrorism. He or his brother was an asset in GWOT operations....which went wrong for some reason we will never know. This morning on tv, the family attorneys claimed the two were in handcuffs (?) and amount of ammo was not unusually high which was stock piled at home. The devices they had did not work either...or maybe it does not exist too. Who knows ? All a nice yarn, except lots of innocent lives were affected by the two or is it three.

Bade wrote:On CNN yesterday, the neighbors of Malik who were interviewed mentioned the name Tatiana, so now Tashfeen is same person and is of Russian origin. It is getting murkier only.

ArmenT wrote:

Bade wrote:On CNN yesterday, the neighbors of Malik who were interviewed mentioned the name Tatiana, so now Tashfeen is same person and is of Russian origin. It is getting murkier only.

I see some reports saying that the Russian one (Tatiana) is actually the wife of the older brother, the one who was in the military.

1 of the injured victims of the #sanbernardino shootings was a Muslim social worker. She was shot multiple times by Farook!

Critics of the policy concede that handcuffing is acceptable to keep a shot person from doing further violence to himself or others, particularly if he may still be armed or in psychiatric distress. But several people said that police officials ought to re-examine the one-size-fits-all nature of the policy, particularly if the shot person is clearly incapacitated or dead from the bullets.

Ronald L. Kuby, a civil rights lawyer who has represented clients shot and handcuffed by the police, said the practice could leave an impression of harsh treatment, even when a shooting was justified.

“Cuffing people after they’ve been shot, or when they’re dead, or when they’re dying,” Mr. Kuby said, “is one of the ugliest, most barbaric, unnecessarily horrifying things that the police do, and they do it as a matter of course.”

Thomas D. Nerney, who retired in 2002 as a detective in the Police Department’s Major Case Squad, said officers relied on rules to survive in shooting situations.

Mr. Nerney, who was in four gunfights in his career, said that the rigor of the handcuffing rule “removes the discretion from a police officer saying, ‘Should I or shouldn’t I?’ because either way you can be damned.”

But in police encounters, there is often a wide gulf between perception and reality, said a Police Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak for the agency.
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“Just because it might not look pretty,” the police official said, “doesn’t mean what the police are doing is not a good thing.”

In short, because they're trained to. Below are some guidelines from the August edition of The Police Chief, a law-enforcement publication, on what cops should do in situations like this (hat tip to Joshua Holland for pointing this out to me). They're based at least in part on a Justice Department research project called Preventing Violence Against Law Enforcement and Ensuring Officer Resilience and Survivability, or VALOR:

Lesson 8: Handcuff all downed suspects. Some officers might feel that it is not nice to handcuff suspects that have been shot, and others might believe that it is unnecessary to cuff all suspects because some are “obviously” dead. Counted among the suspects shot during incidents that officers reported during the VALOR interviews were some who appeared to be dead—for example, from multiple rifle rounds to the head—but who were still alive. As noted in the introduction, some human beings have a remarkable capacity to survive gunshot wounds. Fortunately, none of the thoughtdead offenders managed to injure any officers interviewed, but the fact that they were still alive meant that they maintained the capacity to do so. The capacity of downed suspects is hindered substantially when they are cuffed. No matter how severely injured they might be, therefore, all downed suspects should be handcuffed.

As Brian Beutler pointed out in The New Republic, there are many aspects of police protocol that come across as cruel or strange to civilians. This certainly fits in that category.

Lesson 1: Make sure you have sufficient officers to make a safe approach.
Lesson 2: Develop a plan to take the suspect into custody before moving to do so.
Lesson 3: Make sure every officer on the scene is aware of at least the basics of whatever plan is developed.
Lesson 4: Avoid cross fire situations.
Lesson 5: Identify designated lethal cover officers and have all other officers take other roles in the post-shooting environment.
Lesson 6: Someone usually needs to take command.
Lesson 7: Move weapons the suspect possessed from the suspect’s reach.
Lesson 8: Handcuff all downed suspects.
Lesson 9: Thoroughly search all downed suspects after they have been cuffed.
Lesson 10: Search the area for additional suspects.
Lesson 11: Be aware that perceptual distortions can be clouding understanding of the event.
Lesson 12: Do not hesitate to request specialized assets if the situation calls for doing so.
Lesson 13: When requesting assistance to deal with a downed suspect, tell the officers who will be responding where you want them to deploy and provide information about a safe route .

The vast majority of the 198 officers thus far interviewed reported experiencing tunnel vision, diminished hearing, or both at some time during the incidents they related to the interviewer. Because officers typically do not process visual and auditory information during shootings as they normally would, it is important to realize in the immediate wake of gunfire that officers might not have all the relevant information that will permit them to invoke the appropriate postshooting safety procedures. What this suggests is that officers should consider taking a moment or two to assess the state of their vision and hearing before they move on to dealing with downed suspects. If they do not, officers might miss some information that is critical to the task of safely dealing with the immediate aftermath of a shooting.

Rahul M wrote:why the hand-cuffs after the chap was taken down ? something is seriously off here.

Singha wrote:under the armed kabila thing it seems ppl from 7 agencies were in that epic firefight. good depth in team there...they bat deep.

Rahul M wrote:why the hand-cuffs after the chap was taken down ? something is seriously off here.

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ . The point is NYT OpEd liberals are no longer buying the "Islam has nothing to do with Terrorism" meme.

saip wrote:The equipment they used is worth more than 30k. Where did they get the money? He is just a county employee and do not think make a lot of money. His pay was 50k.

Two Indo-US working groups on highend technology are already functional, one focussing on aircraft carrier technology and the other on jet engines, with significant milestones reached in the latter.

Amber G. wrote:xpost : connection between UC Merced incident and the current California shooting..

• 1. A wholesome American born guy can't do these things, just like a good Muslim cannot conduct terror attacks
  2. Islam cannot be blamed. No Islamophobia or Xenophobia
  3. The easy availability of guns cannot be responsible for the occurrence of shootings with multiple deaths
  4. Pakistan itself is a democracy and an ally of the US. Pakistan cannot be blamed
  5. IS will soon start claiming credit for tornadoes in the US because the US is so safe, so what the IS says can be discounted

"The CDC is there to look at diseases that need to be dealt with to protect public health," House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said at a press conference last week.

"I'm sorry, but a gun is not a disease. Guns don't kill people - people do. And when people use weapons in a horrible way, we should condemn the actions of the individual and not blame the action on some weapon."

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ shiv! now you may understand why Americans and Pakistanis get along so well, they both shut out anything that may collide with their ideology. Because research on gun deaths might bring up inconvenient facts, that research is shutdown. Because some NASA satellites might make the evidence for climate change incontrovertible, they are trying to shutdown that program. Because liberals are committed to the idea that the truth about Islam will lead to persecution of a minority, they stubbornly stick to the "religion of peace", "terrorism has no religion". Etc, etc. it is only us SDREs that on our better days, go with Satyameva Jayate, or Veritas Liberabit.

Satya_anveshi wrote:Hours before San Bernardino shooting, doctors urged Congress to lift funding ban on gun violence research WaPo - Dec 02, 2015

"It’s ironic," Price said in an interview Wednesday evening, after the extent of the carnage in California became clearer. "It certain does underscore what we were saying earlier today about the scourge of gun violence, which has become such a feature of our daily lives."

"It just affects the basic things we care about in public health – the mortality, the life expectancy, morbidity, mental health. It affects all of those things in pretty profound ways," Webster said of gun violence. "If we had a disease that was killing as many people as our guns in our country, we would devote a lot more resources to make sure we had the best data, the best research to know what is most affected."

President Obama condemned the mass shooting at an Oregon college on Thursday, but added that "our thoughts and prayers are not enough" to stem this tide of violence. "There's been another mass shooting in America," Obama said at the White House. Obama said he has been to Roseburg, Ore., where the shooting took place, and "there are really good people there." "Somehow this has become routine," Obama said. "The reporting has become routine. My response here, from this podium, has become routine." President Obama lamented the fact that he was making comments about yet another shooting – this time at a community college in Oregon – saying the process has become “routine” for him and new families who mourn the loss of loved ones. “I hope and pray that I don’t have to come out again in my tenure as president to offer my condolences to families under these circumstances. But based on my experience as president, I can’t guarantee that,” the president said in the White House briefing room. The shooting, which left at least 20 people dead and injured, according to the governor's office, took place Thursday morning at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The identity of the 20-year-old shooter has not been released. The president said that just as his remarks on shootings have become routine, so too have the reactions from politicians and opponents of stricter gun regulations. “Somewhere will comment and say, ‘Obama politicized this issue.’ Well, this is something we should politicize. It is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic,” he said. Rather than shying away from the political dimension to mass shootings, the president leaned in to it, saying that Thursday’s events were direct products of political decisions – those made by lawmakers and by those who elect them. “We collectively are answerable to those families, who lose their loved ones because of our inaction,” he said. In a veiled reference to groups like the National Rifle Association which has opposed most of the president’s efforts to tighten gun purchasing laws, he urged firearms owners to reconsider their affiliation with the group. “I would particularly ask America’s gun owners, who are using those guns properly, safely, to hunt, for sport, or protecting their families, to think about whether your views are properly being represented by the organization that suggests it’s speaking for you,” he said.