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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 19:59
by Karan M
Gus wrote:the person who has been insulted decides the next move in the relationship. it will be fun watching this game. modi is not a chavez who blabbers about sulphur and devil. it will be subtle (like not thanking) and it will be a pleasure for keen folks at brf to discern these things.
+1. And rebalancing. Getting Japanese, Asian investment in and rework of ties w/Russia etc

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 20:33
by Karan M
TSJones wrote:You guys need to sober up. :roll:
Or what? :rotfl: Will you b!tch and moan about 'em darkie hindoo nationalists? :rotfl:

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 20:43
by svinayak
Karan M wrote:
Gus wrote:the person who has been insulted decides the next move in the relationship. it will be fun watching this game. modi is not a chavez who blabbers about sulphur and devil. it will be subtle (like not thanking) and it will be a pleasure for keen folks at brf to discern these things.
+1. And rebalancing. Getting Japanese, Asian investment in and rework of ties w/Russia etc
Guys need to understand. Nation states dont have emotions and grievances. World is large and is big.
India is a mature nation.
India has to move on and engage the world. India has tryst with destiny.

India cannot be somebody imagination. India has to be future for the Indians and Indian vision.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 21:26
by Karan M
Nation states are full of human beings who do resent the antics of other human beings who act uppity and then show their displeasure by appropriate actions which make the other human beings recalibrate their behavior. Zimble

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 21:37
by member_28352
Now confirmed that Uneven Cohen reads BRF....
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ls-el ... 140513.htm

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 21:46
by member_28108
krithivas wrote:(IMO) PM Narendra Modi may visit USA if one of the two conditions are met:
1. Sen. Kerry resigns or is reassigned; or,
2. US President visits India first.

He could first do a holographic presentation in the UN general body meeting as a statement (Well he is too busy working in India anyway fixing the economy). Sends a subtle message in today's world.He can invite Obama over to India and be a gracious Host.After that He can then visit when he chooses to if he wants to.Basic Indo US policy - Indian growth at >8% :D

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 21:51
by vic
I think Modi is the past master in being super polite while never ever forgetting anything.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 23:35
by pankajs
crosspost
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NDTV ‏@ndtv 27m

US Ambassador Nancy Powell to Leave India This Week http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-am ... eek-527733
Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Powell would leave India on Thursday, ending a distinguished 37-year foreign service career.

Powell's two-year tenure in New Delhi was roiled by a spat between the US and India over the strip-search of an Indian diplomat in New York City that badly damaged ties.

Kathleen Stephens, a former US ambassador to South Korea, will serve as head of mission until a new permanent ambassador is nominated and confirmed.

Psaki said Stephens will arrive in Delhi in early June.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 23:35
by pankajs
Washington Post ‏@washingtonpost 3h

Dinesh D'Souza pleads guilty to making illegal campaign contributions http://wapo.st/1lCUnPR pic.twitter.com/1fnpWqmaNA

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 23:52
by ramana
pankajs wrote:crosspost
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NDTV ‏@ndtv 27m

US Ambassador Nancy Powell to Leave India This Week http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-am ... eek-527733
Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Powell would leave India on Thursday, ending a distinguished 37-year foreign service career.

Powell's two-year tenure in New Delhi was roiled by a spat between the US and India over the strip-search of an Indian diplomat in New York City that badly damaged ties.

Kathleen Stephens, a former US ambassador to South Korea, will serve as head of mission until a new permanent ambassador is nominated and confirmed.

Psaki said Stephens will arrive in Delhi in early June.

Looks like she wants to decamp before Modi's swearing in on 26 May.
No one will mind her staying till then.
She is tantamount to desertion.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 20 May 2014 23:55
by svinayak
ramana wrote:


Looks like she wants to decamp before Modi's swearing in on 26 May.
No one will mind her staying till then.
She is tantamount to desertion.
It is not about Modi
It is the debacle of AAP!

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 00:02
by pankajs
Vishal Manve ‏@vishmanve12 1h

Ready to work closely with Narendra Modi to boost strategic ties: John Kerry http://dnai.in/cdCj via @dna
Asserting that its friendship with India is "absolutely vital", the US today said it is ready to work "closely" with the Narendra Modi-led new government to strengthen strategic ties and security.

"The United States stands ready to work closely with Prime Minister Modi and the new government to promote shared prosperity and strengthen our security," Secretary of State John Kerry said.

"The friendship between the world's oldest democracy and the world's largest democracy is absolutely vital and the United States is deeply invested in our strategic relationship. We look forward to strengthening our partnership based on common values, shared democratic traditions and the binding ties between our peoples," he said in a statement.

Kerry's statement came hours after Modi was invited by President Pranab Mukherjee to be sworn-in as the Prime Minister of India on May 26.

Kerry offered his congratulations to the BJP on its resounding victory in India's historic Lok Sabha polls and to Narendra Modi on his election as the Prime Minister of India.
"I also extend warm congratulations to all the newly elected parliamentarians," Kerry said

"When the people of India hold the biggest democratic election in human history, all the world tunes in to watch.
And what we saw has been nothing short of remarkable: more voters cast their ballots freely and fairly than any other in world history, with over 530 million Indians going to the polls," he said.

"The voice of the Indian electorate is clear and unequivocal in its call for economic opportunity and effective governance for all," the US Secretary of State said.
Kerry also said he was looking forward to visiting India soon.

"Every time I visit India, I'm struck by the vibrancy of your culture, the energy of your youth and the strength of your democratic institutions. I look forward to returning to India soon and echo President Obama's invitation to Prime Minister Modi to visit the United States at the earliest opportunity," Kerry said.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 00:15
by Vayutuvan
putnanja wrote:India should put Narendra Modi visa issue behind, move on: Ex Barack Obama aide
it is easy to blame the US for a decision taken almost 10 years ago, but this was a complicated issue with many factors involved.

"The important thing now is that the United States is ready to put the decision behind it and move forward. India should too," Goel said.
...
Some of the many factors complicating the issue were Rev. John Dayal, Prof. Angana Chatterjee, Prof. Suvir Kaul, Prof. Ania Loomba, Dr. Gulam Nabi Fai, ...
If starting a group at Haas School of Business, Ms. Hillary Clinton egging some "NGOs" to look for mass graves in "Gujurat" and such are an indication of "putting the decision behind", paint me a skeptic. PM-elect Modi too would be.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 02:03
by Karan M
If a relationship was vital why did you treat it with such contempt? Indian question to US.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 02:09
by Philip
Well said!

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 02:31
by James B
US renews invitation to Narendra Modi despite cool non-response to first invite :rotfl:
The purported snub did not exactly faze Washington, which on Tuesday, followed up President Obama's telephonic greetings to Modi and invitation to visit Washington with a more elaborate message from Secretary of State John Kerry that seemed to be aimed at burying the visa flap.

"The United States stands ready to work closely with Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi and the new government to promote shared prosperity and strengthen our security. The friendship between the world's oldest democracy and the world's largest democracy is absolutely vital, and the United States is deeply invested in our strategic relationship," Secretary of State Kerry said in a statement hours after Modi was formally elected as the Prime Minister.

Kerry added that he looked forward to returning to India soon and "echo President Obama's invitation to Prime Minister Modi to visit the United States at the earliest opportunity."

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 02:41
by UlanBatori
Kerry claims to be struck by many things.
I am struck by the vibrancy of ur culture, energy of ur youth, the noise of Paco's owners yelping, the force of Anmol's laughter ..
When he adds "BO's boot 2 the butt-e-Kerry" pls let me know.

The BO SD's record now reads:
Libya - Benghazi - now V-22s going in to evacuate US embassy
Syria - US-backed rebels evacuate (their bowels) as they have to be allowed to leave under armed Syrian govt. guard from Homs.
Ukraine: One Ukraine in January 2014, now 3 Ukraines, maybe 4. All but one piece, not-US-friendly
Russia: Putin's popularity ratings now second only to NaMo's in India.
Eyerak: deterioration accelerates
Afghanistan: Racing towards total defeat
Egypt: Military dictatorship back in power AND not-US-friendly
Brazil: Not on speaking terms
Venezuela: Not even that
India: Strategic Partnership ruined; 180-degree turnaround in perception of US in India. Alienated 1.2499999 Billion (the rest are the limo-marxists and pakis of CIIS and now Berkeley).

Pretty awesome, if u ask me. The Manchurian Candidate couldn't have picked a more thorough SOS to ruin the nation.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 03:19
by Prem
SD under Kerry= Sure Defeat US department ?
Kerry On !

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 03:52
by Shreeman
Karan M wrote:If a relationship was vital why did you treat it with such contempt? Indian question to US.
मुंह में राम, बगल में छुरी।
or at least F-16 gifts to the swamp in the west.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 05:39
by Rudradev
http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=19317

Must listen.Diane Rhem show perfectly summarizes what the US discourse on Modi-era India, especially under a Democrat dispensation, is going to be.

There are two tch-tch-tch Good Cops: Alyssa Ayres of the CFP and Ashley Tellis of the CEIP,
making worried but polite noises.

The two Bad Cops have to be heard to be believed. Gardiner Harris of the NY Times, with the false air of authority conveyed by being "on station in Delhi", makes not even the slightest attempt at appearing objective. He spews lie after lie, connecting the BJP and Modi to everything from 2002 to "police death squads that regularly target Muslims" to "Muslims in India being worse off than US blacks before 1960" to "blaming the victim during the Delhi (Nirbhaya) Gang Rape."

The other Bad Cop is an unknown "author" named Akhil Sharma, who does his best to prove his Sepoy credentials by squirting the most nauseating vindications of Harris' propaganda in an "authenticating" Indian accent, plus the usual litany of "Civil Society" whining points.

Sharma is and will remain a nobody. However, this Gardiner Harris (as we know from his NYT bilge) is a motivated Breaking India mouthpiece who must be opposed vigilantly and systematically.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 09:05
by Shreeman
Rudradev wrote:http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=19317

Must listen.Diane Rhem show perfectly summarizes what the US discourse on Modi-era India, especially under a Democrat dispensation, is going to be.
...
.
Unrelated to this show, Diane Rehm should retire, if only for the sake of her health. It is a pain to listen to her broken attempts to converse.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 09:38
by ramana
I guess Ombaba better get used to Modzilla.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 11:00
by arun

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 13:44
by panduranghari
svinayak wrote:
There is a BIG BIG GAME going on in a global scale

Please watch these videos
Mahbubani said that India is entering a moment of extraordinary opportunities to enhance its global standing and to improve its diplomatic and geopolitical opportunities
Can India be cunning? K Subrahmanyam Memorial Lecture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcPJ9uNTsLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNMAAphE9fY

Start thinking outside the box
Chinese PLA Navy ships Zhenghe and Weifang arrive at Visakhapatnam
Brilliant. Thanks for sharing.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 19:47
by Amber G.
UlanBatori wrote:Kerry claims to be struck by many things.
I am struck by the vibrancy of ur culture, energy of ur youth, the noise of Paco's owners yelping, the force of Anmol's laughter ..
When he adds "BO's boot 2 the butt-e-Kerry" pls let me know.

The BO SD's record now reads:
Libya - Benghazi - now V-22s going in to evacuate US embassy
Syria - US-backed rebels evacuate (their bowels) as they have to be allowed to leave under armed Syrian govt. guard from Homs.
Ukraine: One Ukraine in January 2014, now 3 Ukraines, maybe 4. All but one piece, not-US-friendly
Russia: Putin's popularity ratings now second only to NaMo's in India.
Eyerak: deterioration accelerates
Afghanistan: Racing towards total defeat
Egypt: Military dictatorship back in power AND not-US-friendly
Brazil: Not on speaking terms
Venezuela: Not even that
India: Strategic Partnership ruined; 180-degree turnaround in perception of US in India. Alienated 1.2499999 Billion (the rest are the limo-marxists and pakis of CIIS and now Berkeley).

Pretty awesome, if u ask me. The Manchurian Candidate couldn't have picked a more thorough SOS to ruin the nation.
Manchurian Candidate? (Has this became a counter mantra of "Gujarat pogroms?" in BRF?)

Pretty silly, if you ask me. As they said "यति सर्वत्र वर्जयेत्" (enough is enough!).
I am sure you heard Rahim's following doha:)
रहिमन वे नर मर चुके, जो सी-आई-आई-स जाय
उनते पहले वे मरे, जो चाय पार्टी अफीम खाय
(Rough literal translation:
According to Rahim, one who attends CIIS is as worthy as a dead person,
Only person less worthy is who consumes opium of Tea Party CT ( aka Manchurian candidates theories ..)

... Yes, this whole tamasa and foggy-bottom nonsense has been fun, but enough is enough..

Folks, who don't know, per CIIS types, BO is not liberal enough.... only thing more silly is to hear ad-absurdum post's after posts (even if told under sarcasm mask) , about US's deep trouble because it alienated "1.2499999 Billion"..

That number by the way is off by a few (4 or 5 ) order of magnitude (or few thousand times the real value)

I would be rather here in US (or in India) than Libya, Syria, Ukraine (I can get perigees here from my neighbor) or Russia (in spite of Putin being as popular than NaMo)... Egypt, Brazil...)

And India, my friend, it makes very little difference in real sense when NaMo is PM (or MMS was PM). It is going to go forward... As ABV said famously in UN (and same sentiments were echoed by MMS).. sarkars (government/administration) come and go (and may change) but fundamentals remains the same.... same remains true of US. Just like India is India (and not other country like "South Asia" as CIIS types like to describe) US is US (and not these self described experts - even in BRF - like to describe)

In final analysis, my friends, I enjoy little things in life .. my family, teaching kids physics, playing chess with a friend..and really... really really .. am not that bothered by Putin being more popular than a fellow of CIIS.. (or whatever).

PS - Some time ago, I met Indian Navy officers who were spending quite some time here in US for training... I see many many Indian scholars, engineers, doctors engaging in win-win practices.. this is not going to change no matter how much whining CIIS (or their equivalent anti-particles) present.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 20:02
by Amber G.
BTW couldn't agree more..
TSJones wrote:You guys need to sober up. :roll:

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 20:18
by Amber G.
Nice article, posting excerpts... For those who do not know, Bruce Riedel was Obama's first (in 2008) and most important expert to advice him about things like Pakistan. Apart from serving long time in CIA and with Clinton's and Bush ( WhenNS went running to US post Kargil, he was present with Clinton to tell NS off)

He was the one who quoted ISI chief, Gen Khwaja, as saying that former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf "knew bin Laden was in Abbottabad".

Also he has helped (as an expert adviser ) prosecution in both US and UK for some famous al Qaeda terrorist trials ..he has been adviser to Cameron (to advise the United Kingdom’s National Security Council on Pakistan)..

I think NaMo (and Obama) should listen and take action .. A win win...

Excerpts..
Prime Minister Narendra Modi and US President Barack Obama should make counter terrorism their top joint security endeavour.

At the top of the project should be the defeat of Lashkare-Taiba and related groups based in Pakistan before they can launch another major attack.

Almost six years ago, the city of Mumbai was attacked by 10 Pakistani terrorists in the most important terror strike since 9/11. The men who masterminded the attack are still free in Pakistan and are plotting more attacks. India and America remain at risk from them.

Years of good police work and investigation have established clearly that the plot was the joint work of LeT and the Pakistani intelligence service, ISI. In the last five years some good work has been done by India and America...r<snip> Please read the article ...

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 20:28
by Supratik
I don't see much progress in counter-terrorism between India and US as long as the US props up the very epicenter of terrorism i.e. Pak.
No matter how many articles you write, conferences you hold over chai-biskoot. Unless the game is that Pak will continue to manufacture terrorists and US is going to help India catch them ad infinitum like those cow-boys and Indians games.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 21:32
by TSJones
ramana wrote:I guess Ombaba better get used to Modzilla.
Ramana, what exactly does Ombaba have to fear from Modzilla? Will Modizilla have FBI officers in Pakistan? Will Modzilla even have Raymond Davis shoot-first-ask-questions-later secret agent cowboys in Pakistan? Will Modzilla have an active drone squash the bugs and go splat program (all over the world)? Will Modzilla have the top tech military procurement process in the world? The fact is Ombaba has powers that he really doesn't even want to *use*. I think what you are really saying is that the US State Department is going to have to be more thoughtful in its approach to India in order to get any cooperation. Which I agree with.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 21:42
by Lilo
^
MoZi is the voice of the largest democratic Nation of the World and can evaporate the farce of "Human Rights & Democracy" Massa keeps pulling to justify its bullying of the rest of the world.

In effect TSJ, we can all be happy that Massa can finally demo the "full spectrum dominance" you are so sure of when the rest of the World turns against you.

So keep some popcorn and coke nearby.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 21:43
by Karan M
Modizilla will have RAW which understands the region and hence can do 10x more than whatever a bunch of hicks from pidunk mississipi who think sikhs have turbans making them ayrabs, can do. Zimble.
As regards your top tech procurement. JSF, cough, cough.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 22:07
by svinayak
India's Modi extends olive branch to Pakistan, invites Sharif to inauguration

Over the past few weeks, representatives from India and Pakistan have been in touch both on the official track as well as backchannels, as Modi emerged as the election front-runner.

Pakistan's high commissioner, Abdul Basit, has been meeting BJP members to convey his country's willingness to engage meaningfully with India's new government, the Economic Times reported, citing unnamed government sources in Pakistan.

Jitendra Kumar, an associate of Modi's from the Hindu parent body Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, said he visited Pakistan last month to meet Sharif's foreign affairs adviser, Sartaj Aziz.

Kumar, an energy consultant in the United States, said he had frank discussions with the leaders of Pakistan.

"I seriously believe that Pakistan is interested in improving relations with India," said Kumar. "The Pakistanis are very sincere. "My expectation is that things will improve. (Modi) is a good administrator."

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 22:16
by vera_k
This is good starting point given that it can help Modi satisfy one part of his domestic constituency. This should significantly overlap with the India First constituency that wants engagements with the USA on their own merits.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 22:23
by ashish raval
svinayak wrote:India's Modi extends olive branch to Pakistan, invites Sharif to inauguration

Over the past few weeks, representatives from India and Pakistan have been in touch both on the official track as well as backchannels, as Modi emerged as the election front-runner.

Pakistan's high commissioner, Abdul Basit, has been meeting BJP members to convey his country's willingness to engage meaningfully with India's new government, the Economic Times reported, citing unnamed government sources in Pakistan.

Jitendra Kumar, an associate of Modi's from the Hindu parent body Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, said he visited Pakistan last month to meet Sharif's foreign affairs adviser, Sartaj Aziz.

Kumar, an energy consultant in the United States, said he had frank discussions with the leaders of Pakistan.

"I seriously believe that Pakistan is interested in improving relations with India," said Kumar. "The Pakistanis are very sincere. "My expectation is that things will improve. (Modi) is a good administrator."
I think this news is for desi paid media consumption. I don't think even jitendra Kumar believes pakis. If he does he may be seriously flawed into thinking about paki sincerity. They are dogs whose tail is always is always wrapped. Modi knows this, all this overtures are to test the waters with Pakistan without any commitment of moving foward.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 22:58
by JE Menon
The invitation to Saarc leaders, including Nawaz, is a serious move by Modi declaring intention. Now it is clear that the government is looking for conciliation, peaceful growth, and regional integration. Each country will now have to decide how to respond. And the relationships will evolve accordingly. But the emphasis will be on the economy, that is another signal.

What will actually happen in the months, and years, ahead depends on the inclinations of the leaderships and the entrenched institutions in those states. The ball, effectively, is now in their court and they will find it increasingly that way. There is plenty of room for mutual and common benefit.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 23:04
by svinayak
JE Menon wrote:The invitation to Saarc leaders, including Nawaz, is a serious move by Modi declaring intention. Now it is clear that the government is looking for conciliation, peaceful growth, and regional integration. Each country will now have to decide how to respond. And the relationships will evolve accordingly. But the emphasis will be on the economy, that is another signal.

What will actually happen in the months, and years, ahead depends on the inclinations of the leaderships and the entrenched institutions in those states. The ball, effectively, is now in their court and they will find it increasingly that way. There is plenty of room for mutual and common benefit.
This move is a checkmate move against PRC govt in the region.
Each of these countries have to choose between India and PRC going forward and remove zero sum game in the region

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 21 May 2014 23:08
by chaanakya
TSJones wrote:
ramana wrote:I guess Ombaba better get used to Modzilla.
Ramana, what exactly does Ombaba have to fear from Modzilla? Will Modizilla have FBI officers in Pakistan? Will Modzilla even have Raymond Davis shoot-first-ask-questions-later secret agent cowboys in Pakistan? Will Modzilla have an active drone squash the bugs and go splat program (all over the world)? Will Modzilla have the top tech military procurement process in the world? The fact is Ombaba has powers that he really doesn't even want to *use*. I think what you are really saying is that the US State Department is going to have to be more thoughtful in its approach to India in order to get any cooperation. Which I agree with.
May be all that and some more. By the way what happened to retreat from AfPak region after failing to dislodge Talibunnis. Did your ombaba swatted them as well or only innocent civilians in extrajudicial killings? Shades of Vietnam kicka$$ being repeated ad nauseum by your superior forces and power that you have but can't prevent getting your a$$ whacked out of shape elsewhere.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 22 May 2014 00:02
by ramana
TSJones wrote:
ramana wrote:I guess Ombaba better get used to Modzilla.
Ramana, what exactly does Ombaba have to fear from Modzilla? Will Modizilla have FBI officers in Pakistan? Will Modzilla even have Raymond Davis shoot-first-ask-questions-later secret agent cowboys in Pakistan? Will Modzilla have an active drone squash the bugs and go splat program (all over the world)? Will Modzilla have the top tech military procurement process in the world? The fact is Ombaba has powers that he really doesn't even want to *use*. I think what you are really saying is that the US State Department is going to have to be more thoughtful in its approach to India in order to get any cooperation. Which I agree with.

TSJ, Are you Omababa? Whats your real complaint?

All the US experts are saying the same thing I said that "US better get used to Modi".


Otherwise STFU if you want ot stay.

Enough trolling and baiting members.

AmberG, you might want to reconsider your position when it same as TSJ.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 22 May 2014 01:41
by UlanBatori
A few musings:
Ramana, what exactly does Ombaba have to fear from Modzilla? Will Modizilla have FBI officers in Pakistan? Will Modzilla even have Raymond Davis shoot-first-ask-questions-later secret agent cowboys in Pakistan? Will Modzilla have an active drone squash the bugs and go splat program (all over the world)? Will Modzilla have the top tech military procurement process in the world? The fact is Ombaba has powers that he really doesn't even want to *use*. I think what you are really saying is that the US State Department is going to have to be more thoughtful in its approach to India in order to get any cooperation. Which I agree with.
Let's see:
1) No, Modzilla won't have FBI officers in Pakistan. Nor a Raymond shoot-first-whine-later Secret Agint Cowboy Davis whose Status kept morphing from Diplomat Being Robbed FBI agint Incompetent CIA agint Incompetent MercenaryBlackwater Goon Drug Dealer Convicted Murderer Smuggled Illegal Alien who thus enhanced the American Reputation Of Respect For Law. Instead, Modzilla will have hundreds of what he already has: quiet, incredibly heroic Raa Agints who have stayed undercover there for years, and deliver such things as the knowledge of the radiation level in the hair cut at the Kohuta Al-Bakr Bruce Willis HairDresser and Beard De-Lousing Shop, showing that Pakistan had lost its Golas. EFFECTIVE intel agints who don't think with their "guns".
2)
No, Modzilla will not have an active foreign assasination program (it is not the Indian style), but Modzilla has hundreds of the world's most dangerous Crickit Betting Agints on call, to bring down any Paki. Modzilla has no interest in starting wars all over the world. His ppl build and run hotels, not forts, all over the world.
3) Will Modzilla have the top tech military procurement process in the world? No, but he will control the purse-strings of the top military customer in the world for weapon imports - and hopefully keep those strings drawn shut and encourage his own local industry.
4) Yes, Ombaba has all sorts of powers, but does he have the brains to call on people with brains AND common sense to use ANY powers? The record to-date is not hopeful. Look what has happened so far when he jerked his Powers around. His personal action in calling Modzilla directly is to be commended, but he has a long way to go in cleaning the Aegean Paki Stables of his State Department.
5) Yes, US State Department is going to have to be more thoughtful: Yes, first it has to grow brains and kick out the scum that have brought it into utter disgrace and loss of credibility.

AmberG, after 15 years, we have the right to celebrate for a few days, hain? Will take time get used to the idea that *we* have been proved to have been right all along: it took a long time but the 220 million voters of India who voted the same way we felt, have proved our point.

The new line of the racists and commie-pakis is:
Modi may be OK but his supporters are right-wing extremists/dangerous/bigots/unwashed/incapable of thinking (see Slimy Uneven Cohen for example)
Oh, well, been called worse.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 22 May 2014 02:15
by Cosmo_R
What Obama has to fear from Modi is that he follows his own course regarding the US pivot to Asia.

If Modi emphasizes his own pivot by growing ties with Japan, SOKO and PRC and they invest heavily along with certain countries in Europe, Obama's already disaster strewn foreign policy lies in tatters.

This is what Cohen was alluding to—"Who lost India?"