Giorgia Meloni with the perfect clapback!
Donald Trump warns a nuclear Iran could wipe Italy in minutes.
Meloni hits back: “Nine nations have nukes.
Only ONE has ever used them — the United States.”
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failed marshal's role in the eyeraaan war.............
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For all 1.5 people here . who are doing idiotic "equal-equal" - or just shameless trolling by pretending (and lecturing others about 'neutrality' [adding blue] ) eg:
Can learn learn from the their Master ..JD Vance's recent 'equal -equal'The unelected federal bureaucracy..+ Obama .. blah blah ..Biden .. blaha blah ..
. Unelected officials in the executive branch who are not subject to Congressional oversight: e.g., Elon Musk in DOGE, Jared Kushner as negotiator with Iran, etc + + Soros father and son
3. The providers of dark money i.. get elected, typically billionaires. E.g., ..VP JD Vance. + many billionaires who have supported HC, KDHarris ..and [dumbocrtes...]
See the video in the above link....I have two very very important people in my life, an Indian & a Pakistani. The Indian is my wife and the Pakistani is Field Marshal Munir. I've probably talked to Munir more than I've talked to anybody else over the last 3 months"
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And I think the author of such trolling one liner gems such ass :
should learn from mimicking JD Vance:Why not post your IQ scores and take MENSA exams, hain ji?
\enough is enough of such silly trolling...\
Meanwhile
The US delegation, led by JD Vance, entered the meeting arena first. This was strange, because the party that claims to be the upper hand typically arrives last.
Shortly after, the Iranian delegation arrived. They greeted the mediator, Pakistani PM Shehbaz Sharif, but informed him that they refused to negotiate due to recent threats issued by Trump. They didn't meet Vance and then abruptly left.
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HILARY CLINTON, BRENNAN, CLAPPER, COMEY - all of them need to be locked up in prison. Obummer has presidential immunity but he is equally culpable.chetak wrote: ↑21 Jun 2026 20:40BREAKING:
Tulsi Gabbard just dropped a BOMBSHELL report, proving Obama "CONSPIRED TO SUBVERT THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE."
THIS IS THE BIGGEST POLITICAL SCANDAL IN MODERN U.S. HISTORY.
"PRESIDENT OBAMA, HILARY CLINTON, BRENNAN, CLAPPER, COMEY, AND OTHERS, INCLUDING THEIR MOUTHPIECES IN THE MEDIA, KNOWINGLY LIED"
watch video
https://x.com/MrJohnJnr/status/20686232 ... 12/video/1
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My guess is Burundi 
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The X post seems a fake...the video also has a fake voiceover....the declassified docs/report on this topic were from July 2025. Gabbard left office last week and isn't in office now.
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Is this the same tulsi gabbard who resigned from the trump admin in May? Why is she giving this speech now?chetak wrote: ↑21 Jun 2026 20:40BREAKING:
Tulsi Gabbard just dropped a BOMBSHELL report, proving Obama "CONSPIRED TO SUBVERT THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE."
THIS IS THE BIGGEST POLITICAL SCANDAL IN MODERN U.S. HISTORY.
"PRESIDENT OBAMA, HILARY CLINTON, BRENNAN, CLAPPER, COMEY, AND OTHERS, INCLUDING THEIR MOUTHPIECES IN THE MEDIA, KNOWINGLY LIED"
watch video
https://x.com/MrJohnJnr/status/20686232 ... 12/video/1
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Looks like you also have a very IQ considering you are defending some random poster who is sipping single malts in CA, driving Teslas, and have a wall from Musk.
Why not post your IQ scores and take MENSA exams, sirji?!!! If you have already done that, please do upload your MENSA membership and post a link here. Since your IQ is very high, it must be obvious to you that you should not redact your name!!!
Bragging rights, sir ji, bragging rights. Bragging that you were a student of the physics greats, maths greats, and went to IITK, the top school (as per IITKians) in India and in the world.
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Meanwhile Jeff Bezos's Washington Post publishes:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... al-career/
Tulsi Gabbard, her guru and the mysterious messages that helped shape her political career
I obtained hundreds of confidential memos detailing politics and policy guidance for Gabbard from her years in Congress, then embarked on a quest to identify who was behind them.
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Tulsi Gabbard’s political rise was shaped in part by a long‑running, secretive relationship with her family’s spiritual guru, whose private messages offered guidance on her decisions and public posture.
Seems she was more a puppet than an independent actor.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... al-career/
Tulsi Gabbard, her guru and the mysterious messages that helped shape her political career
I obtained hundreds of confidential memos detailing politics and policy guidance for Gabbard from her years in Congress, then embarked on a quest to identify who was behind them.
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Tulsi Gabbard’s political rise was shaped in part by a long‑running, secretive relationship with her family’s spiritual guru, whose private messages offered guidance on her decisions and public posture.
Seems she was more a puppet than an independent actor.
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"PRESIDENT OBAMA, HILARY CLINTON, BRENNAN, CLAPPER, COMEY, AND OTHERS, INCLUDING THEIR MOUTHPIECES IN THE MEDIA, KNOWINGLY LIED"
The above has nothing to do with Tulsi Gabbard, there is an investigation into these crooks who used their clout to subvert things according to their whims and fancy. All of them need to be in prison, period.
The above has nothing to do with Tulsi Gabbard, there is an investigation into these crooks who used their clout to subvert things according to their whims and fancy. All of them need to be in prison, period.
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These "US" related threads have become overtaken with some posters who are way past their intellectual "expiry date" but don't realize it (sadly). Trash is unloaded here without any critical examination.
The X post seems fake, the video (from a year ago) is manipulated with a fake voiceover, and Gabbard on her last day in office (Jun 19, 2026) declassified COVID-related records involving Fauci (NIH guy). In 2025 she released another report blaming Obamudu, Hillary, and other associates. These reports never went anywhere and seem to be "busy work" tasks just like other departments were made to do.
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this is the real reason for the trump meloni rift and their war of words
dress it up any way you want
one is very sure that meloni is not the first woman to say no to trump
dress it up any way you want
one is very sure that meloni is not the first woman to say no to trump
A 49 year old Women is becoming the BIGGEST HEADACHE for 80 year old Trump
Trump — Support us in the war.
Meloni –– Fúck off. We are against Illegal war.
Trump — Give your air bases.
Meloni –– Get Lost. I will suspend all US military Bases.
Trump — Come play in FIFA replacing Iran
Meloni –– "STOP. No Never."
Trump — Meloni beg me for a pic
Meloni — "Nah Never. Get Lost "
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Trump begged Meloni for a photo op so that he can make Melani feel jealous. She rebuffed him and so he turned it around.
This is from my deepstate link.
This is from my deepstate link.
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Just for one second, imagine that Zohran Scumdani, Ilhan Omar, or Ayesha Wahhab's political actions were ascribed to the secret influence of a mysterious Mullah. The screeches of Islamophobia would be immediate and deafening. They would be initiated by the CAIR (Muslim Brotherhood) and ICNA (Jama'at-e-Islami) liaisons who actually dictate the agendas of these politicians, and amplified by EVERY corner of the liberal media from coast to coast. Including such august and unimpeachable mouthpieces as the Washington Post, without a doubt. And the career of any journalist who had ransacked the private messages of these politicians on a motivated mission to substantiate such a claim would be over-- permanently.A_Gupta wrote: ↑22 Jun 2026 08:22 Meanwhile Jeff Bezos's Washington Post publishes:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... al-career/
Tulsi Gabbard, her guru and the mysterious messages that helped shape her political career
I obtained hundreds of confidential memos detailing politics and policy guidance for Gabbard from her years in Congress, then embarked on a quest to identify who was behind them.
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Tulsi Gabbard’s political rise was shaped in part by a long‑running, secretive relationship with her family’s spiritual guru, whose private messages offered guidance on her decisions and public posture.
Seems she was more a puppet than an independent actor.
People don't seem to like using the term "Hinduphobia"-- but as November approaches, take a minute to remember the depth of loathing the Democratic-leaning media establishment in the US has for you. And the sheer impunity with which your traditions, your heritage, your terminology will be demonized and thrown under the bus as a mere side effect of motivated political slandering.
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I have no idea why you are taking offence to this. As I said a month ago, she ditching this government is the best thing for her and her family before she was to get the kristi noem treatment. My question was, if she was not a DNI anymore, why did she come out today to give this presser? Tulsi is one of the few members of this admin who I liked.
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AFAIK Tulsi Gabbard is still the DNI till 6/30. Surgery is done and the prognosis is good. Will she withdraw her resignation?
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Very strange query that. Why would she withdraw? Prognosis might be good, but one never knows with cancer. If I were in her place, I would have done the same. Moreover, the current Admin has surely put into motion the process for a new DNI?!!!
The childishness in that question is mindboggling to say the least.
The childishness in that question is mindboggling to say the least.
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Summary via ground.news:
On Sunday, a new Washington Post investigation revealed that Tulsi Gabbard may have been guided by Chris Butler throughout her more than 24-year political career, with nearly 25,000 documents suggesting he controlled her policy positions and legislative proposals.
Butler founded the Science of Identity Foundation decades ago, a movement some scholars and ex-members describe as a "cult," though the group denies this characterization. Former devotees told investigative journalist Jon Swaine that Butler demanded total obedience and sought to extend his influence into Washington through Gabbard.
Hundreds of confidential memos obtained by The Post include directives on legislation, policy positions, and television conduct. One memo from January 2015 contained a "derisive assessment" of Gabbard's response to a State of the Union address by President Barack Obama, stating, "In the first place, nobody gives a s--- what you think about his speech, unless you're going to say something of interest."
Tulsi Gabbard resigned as national intelligence director last Friday, citing her husband's deteriorating health. The investigative report emerged just days after she stepped down from her position in the administration.
Journalists including The Atlantic's Shane Harris and Anne Applebaum described the investigation as "extraordinary new reporting," with evidence suggesting Gabbard's political rise was the culmination of Butler's decades-long effort to extend his influence into the highest levels of government.
On Sunday, a new Washington Post investigation revealed that Tulsi Gabbard may have been guided by Chris Butler throughout her more than 24-year political career, with nearly 25,000 documents suggesting he controlled her policy positions and legislative proposals.
Butler founded the Science of Identity Foundation decades ago, a movement some scholars and ex-members describe as a "cult," though the group denies this characterization. Former devotees told investigative journalist Jon Swaine that Butler demanded total obedience and sought to extend his influence into Washington through Gabbard.
Hundreds of confidential memos obtained by The Post include directives on legislation, policy positions, and television conduct. One memo from January 2015 contained a "derisive assessment" of Gabbard's response to a State of the Union address by President Barack Obama, stating, "In the first place, nobody gives a s--- what you think about his speech, unless you're going to say something of interest."
Tulsi Gabbard resigned as national intelligence director last Friday, citing her husband's deteriorating health. The investigative report emerged just days after she stepped down from her position in the administration.
Journalists including The Atlantic's Shane Harris and Anne Applebaum described the investigation as "extraordinary new reporting," with evidence suggesting Gabbard's political rise was the culmination of Butler's decades-long effort to extend his influence into the highest levels of government.
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^^^^ Assuming the above is true, does it qualify as “Deep State”?
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Chris Butler must be part of the Deep State. The Tulsi Gabbard too must be part of the same Deep State. Considering that as DNI (head of EIGHTEEN spy agencies) is pretty close to OM, he must be part of the Deep State. QED.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/world/us-news ... linewidget
Has Trump succeeded in making Vance the face of America's humiliation by Iran?
Shounak Sanyal, New Delhi, Jun 22, 2026
JD Vance, the Vice President of the US, finds himself in a precarious position. Tasked with securing a lasting peace deal to end the conflict with Iran, Vance knows that failure will come at a steep cost. His boss, US President Donald Trump, has now twice signalled, once lightly, once more pointedly, that his deputy will be the one to take the fall. Trump, it seems, has managed to turn Vance into the face of the public humiliation being delivered to the US by Iran. With Vance at the forefront, the daggers are out for him as the negotiations with Iran don't seem to be moving as intended.
That Vance is now the face of the negotiations was made clear on Sunday. During talks in Geneva, the Iranian delegation, led by chief negotiator Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf and Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi, stormed out of a scheduled photo-op with the American negotiators. While the Iranians humiliated the American side over fresh rhetorical threats from Trump in Washington, Vance was left to absorb the immediate public backlash.
Trump's 14-point tentative peace framework has already drawn sharp criticism at home, particularly from Republican national security hawks who view the proposed concessions, including the lifting of oil sanctions and the unlocking of frozen assets, as an American capitulation.
In a striking irony, it is Vance, the administration's most vocal sceptic of Middle Eastern entanglements, who has been thrust forward as the deal's chief defender. Meanwhile, traditional hardliners such as Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth have quietly stepped back, leaving Vance to face the rotten tomatoes on the podium.
The stakes for Vance could hardly be higher. Trump has turned him into the most visible champion of a peace deal with Iran. Should he succeed in extracting a mutually agreeable deal with Iran, it will undoubtedly bolster his political career. Should he fail, Trump will undoubtedly make him the face of the humiliation by Iran.
A Republican strategist told the BBC that Trump had "ceded the limelight" deliberately, while another referred to the situation as the President having thrown "JD under the bus".
IRAN DEAL UNDER FIRE, TRUMP TURNS TO VANCE
To understand why being associated with this deal is dangerous for Vance, it is first worth understanding just how toxic the framework has become.
The 14-point interim peace agreement, signed in Versailles last week, has ignited a political firestorm within Trump's own Republican Party. Conservatives across Capitol Hill have lined up to denounce it as a humiliating capitulation to Tehran.
Senator Bill Cassidy was among the first to attack the framework, declaring on X that "Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave" and warning that Iran's nuclear ambitions remained unchecked while Tehran had learnt that maritime coercion pays dividends. "This is the worst foreign policy blunder in decades," he said.
Senator Ted Cruz focused his fire on the financial concessions embedded in the agreement, warning that funds released under the deal would ultimately "be used to murder Americans." Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Roger Wicker pointed to the proposed $300 billion international reconstruction fund, arguing it made Obama's 2015 nuclear deal "look like a pittance by comparison."
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Has Trump succeeded in making Vance the face of America's humiliation by Iran?
Shounak Sanyal, New Delhi, Jun 22, 2026
JD Vance, the Vice President of the US, finds himself in a precarious position. Tasked with securing a lasting peace deal to end the conflict with Iran, Vance knows that failure will come at a steep cost. His boss, US President Donald Trump, has now twice signalled, once lightly, once more pointedly, that his deputy will be the one to take the fall. Trump, it seems, has managed to turn Vance into the face of the public humiliation being delivered to the US by Iran. With Vance at the forefront, the daggers are out for him as the negotiations with Iran don't seem to be moving as intended.
That Vance is now the face of the negotiations was made clear on Sunday. During talks in Geneva, the Iranian delegation, led by chief negotiator Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf and Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi, stormed out of a scheduled photo-op with the American negotiators. While the Iranians humiliated the American side over fresh rhetorical threats from Trump in Washington, Vance was left to absorb the immediate public backlash.
Trump's 14-point tentative peace framework has already drawn sharp criticism at home, particularly from Republican national security hawks who view the proposed concessions, including the lifting of oil sanctions and the unlocking of frozen assets, as an American capitulation.
In a striking irony, it is Vance, the administration's most vocal sceptic of Middle Eastern entanglements, who has been thrust forward as the deal's chief defender. Meanwhile, traditional hardliners such as Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth have quietly stepped back, leaving Vance to face the rotten tomatoes on the podium.
The stakes for Vance could hardly be higher. Trump has turned him into the most visible champion of a peace deal with Iran. Should he succeed in extracting a mutually agreeable deal with Iran, it will undoubtedly bolster his political career. Should he fail, Trump will undoubtedly make him the face of the humiliation by Iran.
A Republican strategist told the BBC that Trump had "ceded the limelight" deliberately, while another referred to the situation as the President having thrown "JD under the bus".
IRAN DEAL UNDER FIRE, TRUMP TURNS TO VANCE
To understand why being associated with this deal is dangerous for Vance, it is first worth understanding just how toxic the framework has become.
The 14-point interim peace agreement, signed in Versailles last week, has ignited a political firestorm within Trump's own Republican Party. Conservatives across Capitol Hill have lined up to denounce it as a humiliating capitulation to Tehran.
Senator Bill Cassidy was among the first to attack the framework, declaring on X that "Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave" and warning that Iran's nuclear ambitions remained unchecked while Tehran had learnt that maritime coercion pays dividends. "This is the worst foreign policy blunder in decades," he said.
Senator Ted Cruz focused his fire on the financial concessions embedded in the agreement, warning that funds released under the deal would ultimately "be used to murder Americans." Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Roger Wicker pointed to the proposed $300 billion international reconstruction fund, arguing it made Obama's 2015 nuclear deal "look like a pittance by comparison."
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No. She earlier intended to resign on 6/30 but "after a conversation with the president" the date was advanced to 6/19. The entire "last day in office" show/speeches/parting shot on COVID were done last week (see media), why are we still talking about 6/30 ? She's gone.
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^^Thanks. That explains a lot.
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Several News Items to Understand the current state of the US politics and society.
1. (Source: Fox News Poll)
Will Iran comply with a peace deal?
All Voters: Likely 35%; Unlikely 64%
Dems: 26%; 73%
GOP: 47%; 53%
Independents: 29%; 69%
US Decision To Take Military Action Against Iran?
All Voters: Right 41%; Wrong 58%
Dems: 15%; 84%
GOPs: 75%; 24%
1. (Source: Fox News Poll)
Will Iran comply with a peace deal?
All Voters: Likely 35%; Unlikely 64%
Dems: 26%; 73%
GOP: 47%; 53%
Independents: 29%; 69%
US Decision To Take Military Action Against Iran?
All Voters: Right 41%; Wrong 58%
Dems: 15%; 84%
GOPs: 75%; 24%
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2. NY's Far Left Slate (endorsed by Mamdani) - Chevalier, Valdez, Lander
- End military aid to Israel
- Abolish ICE
- Medicare for all
- Taxes on the wealthy
3. The Rise of the Democratic Socialists
- Darializa Chevalier
- Nithya Raman
- Janeese George
- Claire Valdez
- Brad Lander
4. Far-Left Group Endorsements (DSA, Working Family Party, Justice Dems)
- Kat Abughazaleh (IL-9) (JD)
- Junaid Ahmed (IL-8) (JD)
- Nida Allam* (NC-4) (WFP, JD)
- Sue Altman (NJ-12) (WFP)
- Charles Booker (KY Sen) (WFP)
- Bob Brooks (PA-7) (WFP)
- Cori Bush* (MO-1) (JD)
- Harry Dunn (MD-5) (WFP)
- Saikat Chakrabarti (CA-11) (JD)
- Jannese Lewis George (Mayor, DC) (WFP)
- Aaron Gries (NY-23) (WFP)
- Julie Gonzalez* (CO Sen) (WFP)
(*: Challenging Dem incumbents)
(The Rise of the Democratic Socialists, WJ Opinion by the Editorial Board)
- promise to end deportation & abolish ICE, Claim Billionaires are trying to buy elections.
- NY could be the "Domino" to Fall, Build "Socialist Power" Nationwide
- End military aid to Israel
- Abolish ICE
- Medicare for all
- Taxes on the wealthy
3. The Rise of the Democratic Socialists
- Darializa Chevalier
- Nithya Raman
- Janeese George
- Claire Valdez
- Brad Lander
4. Far-Left Group Endorsements (DSA, Working Family Party, Justice Dems)
- Kat Abughazaleh (IL-9) (JD)
- Junaid Ahmed (IL-8) (JD)
- Nida Allam* (NC-4) (WFP, JD)
- Sue Altman (NJ-12) (WFP)
- Charles Booker (KY Sen) (WFP)
- Bob Brooks (PA-7) (WFP)
- Cori Bush* (MO-1) (JD)
- Harry Dunn (MD-5) (WFP)
- Saikat Chakrabarti (CA-11) (JD)
- Jannese Lewis George (Mayor, DC) (WFP)
- Aaron Gries (NY-23) (WFP)
- Julie Gonzalez* (CO Sen) (WFP)
(*: Challenging Dem incumbents)
(The Rise of the Democratic Socialists, WJ Opinion by the Editorial Board)
5. Statements from DSA-backed NY congressional candidatesThese races -- and others across the country -- reflect the potent organizing of the DSA and leftwing march of young progressive voters.
- promise to end deportation & abolish ICE, Claim Billionaires are trying to buy elections.
- NY could be the "Domino" to Fall, Build "Socialist Power" Nationwide
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6. ADL files Civil Rights Complaint Against CO School District, Highlights Several Antisemitic Incidents
(All of this happened at a middle school)
- "Antisemitic slurs in the lunch line, Nazi salutes, Holocaust mockery, money-related tropes, and physical assaults"
- "Classmates in the student's PE class attempted to play a game called 'Jewish Touch Tag' (in which jews are chased) and said Jews were 'dirty' and 'contaminated'"
- "In March, a classmate kicked and punched the student multiple times, and another in April, when a different student spat in his face" (Spitting happened when the Jewish kid was playing basketball all by himself)
School Districts where ADL has filed Antisemitism complaints
(Blue states)
CA
- Berkeley Unified
- Etiwanda
- Santa Ana Unified
CO
- Boulder Valley
PA
- Philly Public
MA
- Concord-Carlisle Public
MD
- Baltimore Public
(Red state)
FL
- Bay County Public
(All of this happened at a middle school)
- "Antisemitic slurs in the lunch line, Nazi salutes, Holocaust mockery, money-related tropes, and physical assaults"
- "Classmates in the student's PE class attempted to play a game called 'Jewish Touch Tag' (in which jews are chased) and said Jews were 'dirty' and 'contaminated'"
- "In March, a classmate kicked and punched the student multiple times, and another in April, when a different student spat in his face" (Spitting happened when the Jewish kid was playing basketball all by himself)
School Districts where ADL has filed Antisemitism complaints
(Blue states)
CA
- Berkeley Unified
- Etiwanda
- Santa Ana Unified
CO
- Boulder Valley
PA
- Philly Public
MA
- Concord-Carlisle Public
MD
- Baltimore Public
(Red state)
FL
- Bay County Public
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Meanwhile: Donald Trump is reportedly furious that the annual ranking of US presidents by a committee of 50 top presidential historians was released the other day, and the committee almost unanimously ranked Trump’s second term as the worst in US history.