Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Mar 2014 15:38

not just bihar no sir. everywhere its the same thing, average indian muslim doesn't seem to be able to rise beyond communal rhetoric, for whatever reasons & its much the same with other self declared minority leaders/thekedaars. i find it constantly amusing how they (along with our media's moral secular brigade) tag each and every hindu/majority perception as being communal, whilst being thoroughly communal themselves, and behaving like "others" when it comes to anything that the majority believes in.

+ 400 %

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 25 Mar 2014 15:40

Anger against SAD in Punjab is due to Badal junior. A pakka gunda who has terrorised numerous businessmen in to giving him shares and properties worth 100s of crores. You can't open a business in Punjab if you don''t pay a majority of your income every year to him. It's not even an one time payment.

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Mar 2014 15:40

NaMo uses another arrow from his quiver, collected over time. No better man to cut the votes of Rabri Devi in Saran LS seat than her own brother Sadhu Yadav.

Have to say is real fun to watch all the Congi tactics of all these years ( vote cutters like PRP in AP, MNS in Mah etc) being used on them and allies by their foes.

Hope this is a Chankian move engineered by BJP.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 25 Mar 2014 15:57

niran wrote:Muslims of Bihar as voters can be divided into above 35 & below 35 years of age those below 35 further into
madarsa educated and regular schooling and no education those with regular schools and low or no education
are making informed decisions for them money is topmost, this comes through employment which comes through development above 35s are hopeless madarsa educated have small minority who uses their heads rest
as hopeless as the above 35s.

khubsoorat post

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Mar 2014 16:03

^^ Is that really true since i find most of the educated, IT-vity type "minorities" to be as hardcore as any "madarsa educated" IM on the street?
Maybe they arent as rough and unrefined as the uneducated guys but beneath the polish and suave, its tough not to miss the hardcore attitudes towards certain things?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Mar 2014 16:06

i am seeing that in college kids, atleast on twitter , open hatred for modi and love for kujiliwal

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 25 Mar 2014 16:19

gandharva wrote:
Meanwhile, JS had already started making sorties(in his hallucinations) to West as External Affair Minister. Obviously he is upset with reality hitting him.

Susie auntie should be the EAM. She should be flying from one country to another. She will thus be kept out of mischief. USUALLY thats what the EAM is for. A strong leader who will never challenge the status quo of the PM.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Mar 2014 16:30

panduranghari wrote:
gandharva wrote:
Meanwhile, JS had already started making sorties(in his hallucinations) to West as External Affair Minister. Obviously he is upset with reality hitting him.
Susie auntie should be the EAM. She should be flying from one country to another. She will thus be kept out of mischief. USUALLY thats what the EAM is for. A strong leader who will never challenge the status quo of the PM.

Come to think of it, it should actually be a good fit for her capabilities of gift of gab, a "soft" exterior being a woman (while being second to none in hard nosed politics within) etc.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 25 Mar 2014 16:33

Egjactly. Like Hillarious Clinton was shipped from country to country by ombaba.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Mar 2014 16:35

panduranghari wrote:Egjactly. Like Hillarious Clinton was shipped from country to country by ombaba.

I am certainly hoping Modi >>>>>>>> Ombaba and SS >>>>>>>> Hilarious C

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Mar 2014 17:39

Muppalla wrote:
nageshks wrote:Folks, I put together a short article on the BJP chances in Haryana. Feel free to tear my analysis apart.

http://anamikabharatiya.wordpress.com/2 ... ond-draft/
Excellent analysis. Let us see what muraliravi will say . We need a dose of his pessimism too though you did not leave any room for that.

Exactly, so essentially it is just one sure (or positive seat), with 4 toss ups with reasonable chances. I guess they will win 2 of those 4, so thats why IBTL has 3, i guess.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Mar 2014 17:43

ramana wrote: Muraliravi, Fair conclusion? What isolated the INC in TN?

Ramana sir,

I for one dont believe that NDA will achieve anything in TN, it is a very un-natural alliance. NDA partners like PMK/Vaiko may win their seats of influence, BJP wont win anything. Congress was just piggybacking on DMK. The issue is the real fracture in the DMK family. Stalin deems kanimozhi and the irresponsible gang (read cong friends in dmk) for the bad name dmk has acquired in TN. As we have already discussed here, there is still a good chunk of people in TN who believe DMK to be a better party to rule TN. Stalin wants to ignore this election (i mean he wont give walkover, but not focus) and groom party again. In that process, the last thing he wants is the hand.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Mar 2014 17:57

panduranghari wrote:
gandharva wrote:
Meanwhile, JS had already started making sorties(in his hallucinations) to West as External Affair Minister. Obviously he is upset with reality hitting him.
Susie auntie should be the EAM. She should be flying from one country to another. She will thus be kept out of mischief. USUALLY thats what the EAM is for. A strong leader who will never challenge the status quo of the PM.

Better still is Susam Storm being sent as Indian Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan, one of India's most important strategic partners. As an inducement one can throw in a walnut-tree garden for her.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Mar 2014 18:00

RajeshA wrote:
panduranghari wrote:
Susie auntie should be the EAM. She should be flying from one country to another. She will thus be kept out of mischief. USUALLY thats what the EAM is for. A strong leader who will never challenge the status quo of the PM.
Better still is Susam Storm being sent as Indian Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan, one of India's most important strategic partners. As an inducement one can throw in a walnut-tree garden for her.

I think, BJP should not get into this game at all. Just kick her out of the party. She will have no career outside the BJP.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Mar 2014 18:06

muraliravi wrote:I think, BJP should not get into this game at all. Just kick her out of the party. She will have no career outside the BJP.

In any case MP elections are over, Telangana elections are ongoing and Haryana elections are upcoming in a few months.

If she is thrown out then, then there is a long period of no elections in her areas of focus. So plenty of time for people to forget her.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 25 Mar 2014 18:11

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archan · Post by **archan** » 25 Mar 2014 18:24

How bad was the rain? any residents here who can report?

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 25 Mar 2014 18:26

Manu wrote:
I am talking of people who live in Punjab, Badals won't win an Assembly Election a 3rd time (unless Congress disintegrates), I 400% assure you.

It is only the people living in cities Jalandhar, Ludhiana and areas in between who do not like Badal (business reputation).

Badal is strong in Faridkot, Bhatinda, Ferozpur (Areas of the Malwai-Majha jutts of Dhillon clan). He will easily win these seats.

BJP Vinod Khanna lost by 7,000 votes in Gurdaspur to Partap Singh Bajwa.. This time Modi Vote will get this Seat for BJP.

Punjab has following 4 SC seats where BSP has been spoiler for BJP.

1. Sukhdev Singh of Congress won Fatehgarh Sahib (SC seat) against Akali Dal's Charanjit Singh Atwal by 43000 votes. Atwal is a common name of the Jutts and it was a mistake to put a Jutt in a SC seat. BSP again split the vote taking 65459 votes. Badal needs to put a better candidate here.

2. Santosh Chowdhary of Congress won by 366 votes in Hoshiarpur (SC seat)., BSP candidate got around 10,000 votes., 358812 votes for congress, 358446 for BJP Som Parkash. This time a totally new person has been fielded by BJP. Modi (also SC) needs to campaign here at least once.

3. In Faridkot Paramjit Kaur Gulshan of Akali Dal won by 62042 votes defeating Congress 395692 and BSP 34479. Comfortable margin for SAD.

4. In Jalandhar Hans Raj Hans (371658) of SAD lost by 36445 votes to Mohinder Singh Kaypee of INC (408103) BSP was again a spoiler getting 93592 votes.

---- apart from these SC seats.

Ludhiana is heavily influenced by the labor force of Bihar and UP thus Manish Tiwari of INC won by over 1 Lakh votes to Gurcharan Singh Talib. Modi effect can get this seat back to SAD.

Patiala will be a tough walk for SAD against wife of Amarinder Singh (Praneet Kaur)

Sangrur voters were divided between Hindu Vs. Sikh.. Vijay Inder Singla of Congress won by 40872 votes against SAD Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa. BJP should take this seat over from SAD for themselves.

In Anandpur Sahib BSP was again spoiler for SAD and Congress won by 67204 votes. 404836 for Congress Ravneet Singh while 337632 for Daljit Singh Cheema (upper Caste Jatt) and Kewal Krishan of BSP getting 118088 votes. SAD needs to manage this in a more professional way and could ride on the Modi Wave.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Mar 2014 19:00

Manu, Thanks for the input data. I should have asked an open ended question and not asked specific members.
All data is welcome for thinking over.

muraliravi, If Stalin is remaking the DMK why was Alagiri expelled?

I think we should not be distracted by Suhsma antics. These are last kicks of the 'mythical' D4.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 25 Mar 2014 19:22

Manish Tiwari not to contest from Ludhiana.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 25 Mar 2014 19:59

BhairavP.

Manish Tiwari wanted to contest from Chandigarh but was refused the ticket from Chandigarh. He actually spends more time in Chandigarh than Ludhiana. He initially refused it but now he has the ticket back from Ludhiana. He will lose this time to SAD.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 25 Mar 2014 20:00

archan wrote:How bad was the rain? any residents here who can report?

It came in evening. Not sure how intense it was as was inside work place.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Mar 2014 20:01

ramana wrote:Manu, Thanks for the input data. I should have asked an open ended question and not asked specific members.
All data is welcome for thinking over.

muraliravi, If Stalin is remaking the DMK why was Alagiri expelled?

I think we should not be distracted by Suhsma antics. These are last kicks of the 'mythical' D4.

Stalin vs Alagiri is the same as Uddhav vs Raj

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Mar 2014 20:20

muraliravi wrote:
ramana wrote:Manu, Thanks for the input data. I should have asked an open ended question and not asked specific members.
All data is welcome for thinking over.

muraliravi, If Stalin is remaking the DMK why was Alagiri expelled?

I think we should not be distracted by Suhsma antics. These are last kicks of the 'mythical' D4.
Stalin vs Alagiri is the same as Uddhav vs Raj

With perhaps the difference that in TN, BJP can afford to ally with Raj (MK Azhagiri) openly.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Mar 2014 20:42

as suggested by someone

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BJP appoints MJ Akbar as national spokesperson

satya · Post by **satya** » 25 Mar 2014 21:35

nageshks wrote:Thanks for the info, Satya-ji.
satya wrote: Confirm what i heard today that INLD is a serious contender in Kurushetra
Agree fight is between INLD and Congress in Kurukshetra. Wonder if Naveen Jindal can buy enough votes to keep him alive in the election.

Sirsa
INLD has fielded a SAD turncoat in the constituency (Charanjit Singh). I know there are a lot of Ramdassia Sikhs in the region, but is Charanjit up to taking on Sushil Indora (HJC) and Ashok Tanwar (Congress)?

a tough fight in Rohtak , Sonipat .
INLD will doubtless put up a very good fight, but in the end, Hooda may just take these two.

Bhiwani is witnessing backstabbing in Congress
Sabotage against Kiran? And by whom? .

Motivation & committment is highest among INLD supporters
I agree about this.

BJP is counting on non-Jat voters along HJC
BJP has a good chance in the south (Gurgaon, Faridabad, and Bhiwani) and in Ambala, maybe, just maybe Karnal. Any idea how the Jats and Brahmins will vote in Karnal?

Hisar will probably see the smallest victory margin among all seats . In last election Kuldip won by 6000 votes . This time Congress has fielded a bit heavier candidate & INLD has received a boost in form of two leaders from Saini community joining it & ofcourse INLD too has brough in money power ( absent last time when Ajay lost to Kuldip) .
You don't think the upper caste votes of the BJP can help him? Won't it give him a small cushion of comfort? I agree that the Jats and the rural labour vote will go with Dushyant Chauthala, but can't it be made up by the upper caste votes of the BJP?

Worst case scenario for INC is losing 9 seats in Haryana .
I am hoping for this, but I am afraid that the Congress will end up taking Sonepat, Rohtak and maybe one or two more of Karnal, Sirsa, Kurukshetra, Faridabad, and Bhiwani.

Nageshji

1) Sirsa is Chautala's home distt. and Abhay Chautala has spent most of his political life in Sirsa . If INLD loses Sirsa , it will be a serious setback to INLD's quest for win in assembly election. I see this seat as a direct fight between INLD & HJC . Congress is not picture . Sikh voters are more inclined towards INLD thanks to Chautala-Badal family links over generations . SAD-INLD is one & same thing in Haryana thanks to family ties.
2) Hisar has an additional factor in form of Yudhvir Khyalia . He will definitely get votes from jats & poor urban voters. This will definitely help Kuldip .Again its an almost sure non-Congress seat . Though i would like to see Kuldip lose. He has no problem in returning or joining hands with Congress at state level & probably will do so post assembly elections . BJP's presence is limited to RSS members & brahmins and to some extent among Bania community nothing much to write about. Urban voters are punjabis ( pro-HJC ) , brahmins ( anti-chautala = HJC supporter) , & Banias ( anti-chautala but now thanks to Jindal family's presence = congress votes . I see a split between HJC & Congress among banias ) , Sainis ( with Hari Singh Saini & Atar singh saini joining INLD , they will go with INLD. Had no problem in going with Chautalas . This is a plus for INLD ) . Then there are 'for sale' voters category: i see a 3 way bid so 'happytimes' for this section
3) Bhiwani is home distt. of late Ch. Bansilal . Hooda sees Kiran Chaudhary & her daughter as potential rival ( usual political factors ) . So count on Hooda to do everything in his hands to ensure Congress get defeated in Bhiwani .
4) Karnal has traditionally being Brahmin -dominated constituency. One community that made late Bhajanlal ( father of Kuldip ) lost election here was Sunar /Soni ( jewellers) community . Going by anti- congress sentiment , i see this as non-congress seat irrespective of candidate.
5) Kurushetra was won by Navin thanks to his organisation at ground level & work he has done in past . Here is a direct fight between Congress & INLD . It can swing either way .

satya · Post by **satya** » 25 Mar 2014 21:52

Shri Jaswant Singhji is fearing a diminishing stature in Namoji's govt. ( should that ever happen). Apparently NaMoji has his own idea about foreign policy & worst thing is that he is not willing to discuss this with Shri Jaswant Singhji ( he tried but found him non-responsive , abhi time nahin aaya ) , imagine the shock on face of Shri. Jaswant Singh ( let's be honest : he did wrote some good books to start discussion but nothing more but billi ke galle main ghanti bhande kaun ? ) . Sushma has been given wings by more than one group so she cannot be dumped , will have to bear her tantrums for a long time .

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 25 Mar 2014 21:59

Useless Nuclear deal by UPA was actually initiated by Jaswant Singh-Stoke Talbott dicussion.

To me the more I look at Jassu the more he appears as UPAish minister rather than Bhajapaite.

NaMo ji should do well to continue ignoring these "toll" leaders into oblivion!

bhavani · Post by **bhavani** » 25 Mar 2014 22:37

Cross posting from Andhra thread

To Shore up Congress in Telangana it seems Rahul baba might be contesting from Telangana. Congress wants to win as many MP seats from Telangana as possible. They will not be winning a single MP seat in Andhra.

http://deccan-journal.com/content/rahul ... -telangana

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 25 Mar 2014 22:40

Vipin Sir, lets give where credit is due. The deal that Jaswant started was way different then what Italian citizen led GOI signed!! two different things. Jaswant is not at fault here. BJP (including him) voted against it.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 25 Mar 2014 22:43

satya wrote:Shri Jaswant Singhji is fearing a diminishing stature in Namoji's govt. ( should that ever happen). Apparently NaMoji has his own idea about foreign policy & worst thing is that he is not willing to discuss this with Shri Jaswant Singhji ( he tried but found him non-responsive , abhi time nahin aaya ) , imagine the shock on face of Shri. Jaswant Singh ( let's be honest : he did wrote some good books to start discussion but nothing more but billi ke galle main ghanti bhande kaun ? ) . Sushma has been given wings by more than one group so she cannot be dumped , will have to bear her tantrums for a long time .

It is good thing if Namo is charting a new course in foreign policy and relations. We already saw some comments from Nepal.

Jaswant Singh in one of meetings in California many years ago mentioned a saying from Rajastan, "All animals in the Jungle travels on a treaded path, only Singh travels on untreaded path".

It is now this Singh time to travel on an untreaded path. We'll watch if he is Sher Singh or Gram Singh*

* In Telugu, Grama Simham means Kukka/dog that roams in the village.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Mar 2014 22:53

http://www.gossipguru.in/jat-connection

It is being said that Bhupinder Singh Hooda’s son Dependra Hooda is unwell and is suffering from a slip disk problem. Thus he is on bed rest but not liking one bit of it during the election season. On the other hand, the winds are blowing against the Congress in Haryana. Considering the new political environment, Chief Minister Hooda is trying out a new trick. It is being said that Hooda got in touch with INLD Chief Om Prakash Chautala at the residence of one of his confidantes. He presented a formula to Chautala wherein if Chautala family will help Dependra in Rohtak, he too will assist Chautala’s grandson Dushyant Chautala in Hissar.

http://www.gossipguru.in/bjp-and-bags-of-money

All opinion polls are talking about Modi becoming the winner. In such a political scenario, new equations are being formed and those with deep pockets are falling over each other to donate to the BJP. Be it Team Modi, Amit Shah, the party president Rajnath Singh, former president Nitin Gadkari, Ananth Kumar and party’s Treasurer Piyush Goyal, there is a stampede to give money to the party. Matters have come to such a state that different places are being found to keep that money. On the other hand, the Congress is sad that although all the allegations of scams and corruption have been levelled against the Congress but it does not have sufficient funds for the elections. So much so that the Congress is unable to give money to its candidates to contest the elections.

I only hope that all the money flowing into BJP is from Indian industrialists and not much of MNC oil money that loves to own politicians.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 25 Mar 2014 23:10

I find it strange in spite of being molested in full public view Nagma has tried to hush mamla under carpet, what message she gave to women of constituency she is fighting for?? Why has no one taken up this matter?
http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossi ... rut-rally/

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Mar 2014 23:29

muraliravi wrote: http://www.gossipguru.in/bjp-and-bags-of-money

All opinion polls are talking about Modi becoming the winner. In such a political scenario, new equations are being formed and those with deep pockets are falling over each other to donate to the BJP. Be it Team Modi, Amit Shah, the party president Rajnath Singh, former president Nitin Gadkari, Ananth Kumar and party’s Treasurer Piyush Goyal, there is a stampede to give money to the party. Matters have come to such a state that different places are being found to keep that money. On the other hand, the Congress is sad that although all the allegations of scams and corruption have been levelled against the Congress but it does not have sufficient funds for the elections. So much so that the Congress is unable to give money to its candidates to contest the elections.

I only hope that all the money flowing into BJP is from Indian industrialists and not much of MNC oil money that loves to own politicians.

Observe every time there was an state election, the stocks rise and suddenly big investors start selling off the stocks to gather money. this is at least the trend for about recent elections. The stocks are really rising these days in India. let's see if and when they fall if this theory is true.

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 25 Mar 2014 23:30

SBajwa wrote:
It is only the people living in cities Jalandhar, Ludhiana and areas in between who do not like Badal (business reputation).

2. Santosh Chowdhary of Congress won by 366 votes in Hoshiarpur (SC seat)., BSP candidate got around 10,000 votes., 358812 votes for congress, 358446 for BJP Som Parkash. This time a totally new person has been fielded by BJP. Modi (also SC) needs to campaign here at least once.

Patiala will be a tough walk for SAD against wife of Amarinder Singh (Praneet Kaur)

SAD needs to manage this in a more professional way and could ride on the Modi Wave.

People who dislike Badal are responsible for 90% of Punjab's non-agricultural income. All industry is located in the areas you mention, Ludhiana in particular.

Modi is OBC (like Jats are now) not SC.

Agreed on Praneet Kaur, she looks like a 4th time MP to me.

My biggest problem is, far too much is riding on one man. Modi is not omnipotent.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 26 Mar 2014 00:36

and let us take a step back from being bjp or modi bhakts as well.

bhavani · Post by **bhavani** » 26 Mar 2014 02:07

http://deccan-journal.com/content/kejri ... ficial-now

From the Above Article it seems the Muslim votebank in varanasi is staunchly with AAP. What percentage of the votebank is muslim in Varanasi?
The Brahmin block also seems to be with AAP in Varanasi

The Shahi Imam here endorsed the AAP convener by offering him his cap, which the latter accepted whole-heartedly. A few leaders of the Momin Conference, an organisation which lobbies for oppressed classes in the community

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Mar 2014 02:21

Published on Mar 26, 2014
By Atiq Khan
Miffed Ulema Council may challenge Mulayam

The Rashtriya Ulema Council, which was formed against the backdrop of the 2008 Batla House encounter in New Delhi, is ready to challenge Samajwadi Party president Mulayam Singh in Azamgarh in the Lok Sabha elections.

Though it is yet to be officially announced, the RUC is mulling over fielding its president Maulana Aamir Rashadi against him. A decision is expected in the next couple of days. The proposal was discussed at the RUC parliamentary board meeting here on Monday.

“The members were of the collective opinion that Maulana Rashadi should be fielded against Mulayam Singh,” said general secretary Tahir Madani. He added the sadr (president) had almost agreed to the proposal.

The RUC, which came into the limelight in 2009 when it took hundreds of Muslims on a train from Azamgarh to Delhi, does not buy the SP argument that Mr. Singh is contesting from Azamgarh to prevent the BJP from capitalising on the “Modi effect” in Purvanchal (eastern Uttar Pradesh). “If Mulayam Singh indeed wants to neutralise the BJP, then he should contest against Narendra Modi in Varanasi and the Ulema Council will support the SP president,” said Maulana Madani.

But it is Mr. Mulayam Singh’s candidature and the likely effect it will have on the fortunes of other SP candidates in the neighbouring constituencies and, on the flip-side, of the BJP, that have made the Azamgarh election something to be keenly watched.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 26 Mar 2014 02:23

As said before if this race in Varanasi becomes more than a 3 way race, Modi will still have his base of supporters and the others will simply have their votes divided. It's all others vs. Modi.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 26 Mar 2014 03:17

bhavani wrote:http://deccan-journal.com/content/kejri ... ficial-now

From the Above Article it seems the Muslim votebank in varanasi is staunchly with AAP. What percentage of the votebank is muslim in Varanasi?
The Brahmin block also seems to be with AAP in Varanasi

The Shahi Imam here endorsed the AAP convener by offering him his cap, which the latter accepted whole-heartedly. A few leaders of the Momin Conference, an organisation which lobbies for oppressed classes in the community

C'mon sir, someone has to dream really hard to conjure that up.