Terror Attacks on Mumbai-II

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 29 Nov 2008 00:14

Seems like our guys are keeping the Taj lighted up on all sides to make sure the pakiturds don't try to escape. IIRC, one of the rescued evacuees said yesterday that she had seen the place wired with explosives. If true, the turds will try to get out before anything goes off which may explain why they are now on the 1st floor rather than the top--easier to jump out. Unlike the uneducated pakjabis in Nariman House, the turds in the Taj will likely be suave, well-dressed types staying at the Taj and with a greater instinct for self preservation.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 29 Nov 2008 00:15

A road block with cops forming a ring around it does have a sense of finality to it as girlie boy and his companion found out...

kshirin · Post by **kshirin** » 29 Nov 2008 00:15

That is why I call it mortal danger, Pakis, we can still handle, but has anyone read "Mao", and comprehended the sheer scale of slaughter the Chinese were willing to inflict on their own people? What makes us think they will not contemplate bigger casualties in our beautiful, happy, democratic, free country which is a standing challenge to their model? I do not think anyone appreciates freedom until they lose it.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Nov 2008 00:17

Minister for Home Sri Prakash Jaiswal speculates the death toll could reach 200. Rediff.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 29 Nov 2008 00:19

Any chance that we have recorded intercepts from the piglets satphone?

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 29 Nov 2008 00:20

SaiK wrote:I am also thinking.. Mumbai terror is pakis response to tabar ops. !?

no this was in the works for months, heard a couple of pigs were on employee training at Taj for a few months

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 29 Nov 2008 00:20

Posting from CNN. This looks like a videshi vehicle. Is this the israeli "medical" van?

Nesoj · Post by **Nesoj** » 29 Nov 2008 00:21

Netanyahu says will support any gov't plan following Mumbai attack

Published: 11.28.08, 17:56 / Israel News

Opposition Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu said following the terror attack in Mumbai that "the current order is national responsibility, so we will support any action Israel's government decides to take to defend its citizens." (Amnon Meranda)

Just compare this with our politicians

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 29 Nov 2008 00:21

SwamyG wrote:Minister for Home Sri Prakash Jaiswal speculates the death toll could reach 200. Rediff.

There have been rumors since yesterday that there are 200 dead in the Taj alone. Rumors being rumors, I'd take it with a truckload of salt but given how bustling the Taj is that early in the night and the fact that these turds were shooting at everyone indiscriminately including women and children, that figure would not shock me.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 Nov 2008 00:22

at least 40 pigs involved in the attack at best 9 killed so far; where are the others?

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 29 Nov 2008 00:22

p_saggu wrote:

Posting from CNN. This looks like a videshi vehicle. Is this the israeli "medical" van?

Livery looks unique but our people have all kinds of fancy equipment-i thought I saw a volvo fire truck on tv

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 29 Nov 2008 00:22

Nesoj wrote:
Netanyahu says will support any gov't plan following Mumbai attack

Published: 11.28.08, 17:56 / Israel News

Opposition Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu said following the terror attack in Mumbai that "the current order is national responsibility, so we will support any action Israel's government decides to take to defend its citizens." (Amnon Meranda)

Just compare this with our politicians

And this after 6 of their people died. We lost close to 200 and double that number injured. Shame on us if we let this attack mean as little as the previous ones.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 29 Nov 2008 00:24

SwamyG wrote:Minister for Home Sri Prakash Jaiswal speculates the death toll could reach 200. Rediff.

And the number of foreigners in this comes to about 13 till now. This is clearly an attack on Indian people with a few foreigners (mainly Israelis to tell them to back off) thrown in to attract International attention. This once again reinforces the puki link.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Nov 2008 00:26

Acharya ji, no need to give BW to these demented mouthpieces.
thanks,
Rahul.

Very important to understand these underground discussion

RSS which is nationalistic and want a mother India protected is being accused of finishing India. This is the kind of desperate image they are working on and the media is together with this.

RSS type forces and Israel are all involved in not only destabilizing but finishing India. India should immediately snap all relations with Israel.

Israel is being targetted. There is large group which wants foriegn relations with Israel to be reduced.

This guy on vacation has become famous. He is related to one of the BR member
http://arunshanbhag.com/2008/11/26/mumb ... s-burning/

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Nov 2008 00:27

p_saggu wrote:

Posting from CNN. This looks like a videshi vehicle. Is this the israeli "medical" van?

mumbai fire brigade.

check the insignia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai_Fire_Brigade

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 29 Nov 2008 00:28

Nesoj wrote:Just compare this with our politicians

LKA did say that he is uniting behind the government for decisive action against the terrorists. I am not sure what you are referring to.

I do notice that several forumites here are baying for MMS's blood without allowing the government to investigate, confer and finalize a response. I think we BRfites must unite behind the government as well.

venkat_r · Post by **venkat_r** » 29 Nov 2008 00:28

Put things into perspective. Indian Opposition also gave complete support to the govt and has not made any irresponsible statements. My respect went up for Advani and especially for Modi after reading on their press statements/interviews.

So just do not discount out politicians altogether.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Nov 2008 00:30

Acharya wrote:This guy on vacation has become famous. He is related to one of the BR member
http://arunshanbhag.com/2008/11/26/mumb ... s-burning/

Yesterday, he was interviewed by CNN USA

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Nov 2008 00:32

kobe wrote:
SaiK wrote:I am also thinking.. Mumbai terror is pakis response to tabar ops. !?
no this was in the works for months, heard a couple of pigs were on employee training at Taj for a few months

Yes, it can not be for Tabar. A terrorist was employed at Taj for more than 10 months (that is what I heard in one of the TV channels)

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 29 Nov 2008 00:34

The volvo truck was the one with the crane with the NSG Snipers on it.

We need one of those cranes with those remotely operated, camera targetted machine guns which the Israeli's have developed and deployed.
We need to develop these - can be easily done by DRDO. Position a few of these all around the hotel, peeping into windows in high floors and greeting any bad guys there.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 29 Nov 2008 00:34

Soon the usual channels will have likes of Mahesh Bhatt (he was there on a channel yesterday) to calm things down.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 29 Nov 2008 00:35

OK so tv is reporting that there are

4 terrorists still left a the Taj

A third long night ahead...

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 29 Nov 2008 00:38

SwamyG
What are the Tabar ops you all are referring to?
Not the INS Tabar incident? But those were not pakistanis although the species was the same...

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 29 Nov 2008 00:40

Rahul M wrote:
p_saggu wrote:

Posting from CNN. This looks like a videshi vehicle. Is this the israeli "medical" van?
mumbai fire brigade.

check the insignia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai_Fire_Brigade

Nope, that vehicle belongs to Tops. You can subscribe to their services and they will come to your aid if you have had an accident, fire or any other emergency. They offer a time-based SLA and the vehicles are stationed across Mumbai. I think they have an agreement with the Mumbai Police and fire brigade which allows those services to call on the Tops fleet as and when needed.

http://www.topsgrup.com/topsline/TL_SLink_CR.htm

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 Nov 2008 00:41

Tamang wrote:Soon the usual channels will have likes of Mahesh Bhatt (he was there on a channel yesterday) to calm things down.

The blood pressure in India is at very higher state. They are really really angry with HFLs. Seriously they are extremely annoyed with any thing that is pseudo-secularism and they are very annoyed with CNN-IBN types.

The problem is more talks about Gujarat riots and Malegaon will only increase the blood pressure. There is a noticable change in all the mid level reporters of most HFL channels. Everyone is baying for blood.

"Change is coming and that is coming in a big way." Indian Army is flying with its highest glory on this day.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Nov 2008 00:43

A report from USA reads thus:
US intelligence expert says Patil is incompetent
Aziz Haniffa in Washington, DC November 28, 2008 11:28 IST
Last Updated: November 28, 2008 11:29 IST
Walter Andersen, a former senior Administration official, who headed up the State Department's South Asia Division of the Intelligence and Research Bureau has said the Mumbai terrorist attacks showed clearly a failure of India's intelligence and security apparatus and also the utter incompetence of Home Minister Shivraj Patil .

"You have a totally incompetent home minister, and why he isn't removed is beyond me," he said, "He really doesn't know how to get the bureaucracy organised to have some sort of coordinated planning." He acknowledged that in the wake of reports that the terrorists had set up control rooms in the two hotels ahead of time, showed that "this was a sophisticated, well planned set up. This is something that takes months of planning."

maitya · Post by **maitya** » 29 Nov 2008 00:44

What is this "intel co-oeration" being planned - why do we need to share anything with anybody - to allow it to be handed over to the culprits so that tracks can be erased.
US, UK, Israel ramp up intelligence aid to India

WASHINGTON: Unprecedented intelligence cooperation involving investigating agencies and spy outfits of India, United States, United Kingdom and
Israel has got

I already have a sinking feeling about all these ...

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Nov 2008 00:44

I was referring to downing the mother ship.. and the ship belong to ISI but it was registered with Thai.. all this destroyed one of their drug smuggling vehicle. /assumption.

btw, we should also think about fishing out all employees as terrorists until proven not-guilty. all orgs better work this soon.

the 600 visas expiring and disappearing pakis is a big concern for the nation.. and people (ATS) are quite about it.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Nov 2008 00:45

why would a pvt vehicle have fire brigade insignia. or is it this tops insignia ?
do you have a link of their website ?

anyway, at least it is not an israeli vehicle.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 29 Nov 2008 00:45

CNN Watch: Interview with former SWAT expert is continuing and he was very clear that no police department in USA is trained to handle such situations. Only SWAT can handle this, similar to NSG. And it is extremely difficult to handle one incident at a time and the Indian forces are handling five separate incidents at the same time.

He, being knowledgeable was able to appreciate and atriculate the enormity of the task that is being carried out in India. He was also referring to a 1970s hotel hostage (Howard Johnson) incident by a single gunmen that lasted for 2 days, with multiple casualities in USA.

He says there is a lot to learn from the incident including common communication channel between police forces and SWAT teams, even after some recent improvement made post-Katrina.

He also mentioned that there must be some explosives or some special situation within the hotel that is preventing the NSG to take these terrorists out. Otherwise based on his experience, this would have been over by now.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 29 Nov 2008 00:46

I am willing to say that since pakistan uses terrorists as a regular army and a strategic weapon, at any given time they would be working on multiple plans and executing them as seen necessary.

They might be work on this plan for months but question is why did they decide to execute during this time?

One thing is for sure that it was holiday in US.
US govt is in transition and new govt's advisers seem bit too eager to continue clinton's harassment of india and start pleasing china.
Olympics are over and economy is going down the drain. With economy next to nothing in pakistan and no cricket and no entertainment, public there getting restless. It is possible that many countries might have promised pakistan the money they needed to continue day to day operation only if they do something spectacular this time.
IN is interfering in sea lanes' protection and projecting force. Some middle east countries might be interested in using these sea lanes for arms proliferation or expecting nuke or missile parts.
Overall it seems to be an operation funded by saudis, executed by pakis, and blessed by china and at least one more country.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Nov 2008 00:49

It appears India is getting pressures from Western countries. The normal reaction would be to ignore these events and move on, But this time the events are dissected to far greater depth and complaints are being made. Why? Definitely there is an agenda. India could be dragged into Paki issues even more.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Nov 2008 00:50

pressure to do what?

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 29 Nov 2008 00:52

Points to be noted in these operations: -

1> our SF didn't used/had access to NVG during these operations!!!

2> We have no control over our Media!! they are like group of babies, running around in a kinder-garden. totally immature, unable to understand the gravity of situation and no lack of responsibility (except few channels like ndtv).

3> police failed to cordon off the area under operation. If any of these porkies had fired on media from those hotel windows then there could have been major casualties.

4> Our politicians failed us like always. EDITED LKA started playing politics even before NSG engaged porkies. why porkies never target such creatures.

What we need is a crisis management authority, something in the lines of FEMA in US.

may the souls of all Indian brave hearts rest in peace.

JMT

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 29 Nov 2008 00:53

Up to SEVEN gunmen were B ritish and 'came from same area as 7/7 bombers'

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Nov 2008 00:57

rgsrini wrote:CNN Watch: Interview with former SWAT expert is continuing and he was very clear that no police department in USA is trained to handle such situations. Only SWAT can handle this, similar to NSG. And it is extremely difficult to handle one incident at a time and the Indian forces are handling five separate incidents at the same time.

He, being knowledgeable was able to appreciate and atriculate the enormity of the task that is being carried out in India. He was also referring to a 1970s hotel hostage (Howard Johnson) incident by a single gunmen that lasted for 2 days, with multiple casualities in USA.

He says there is a lot to learn from the incident including common communication channel between police forces and SWAT teams, even after some recent improvement made post-Katrina.

He also mentioned that there must be some explosives or some special situation within the hotel that is preventing the NSG to take these terrorists out. Otherwise based on his experience, this would have been over by now.

He said
SEALS or the other SF would have finished it by now.

More info later will give more details

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 29 Nov 2008 00:58

Sid wrote:Points to be noted in these operations: -

4> Our politicians failed us like always. LKA started playing politics even before NSG engaged porkies. why porkies never target such creatures.

JMT

Can you elaborate more about it?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Nov 2008 01:00

Gerard wrote:Up to SEVEN gunmen were B ritish and 'came from same area as 7/7 bombers'

could the passports and ids be made in i-slam-bad!

montybal · Post by **montybal** » 29 Nov 2008 01:01

the CNN coverage is really annoying me... they can't really compare the capabilities of a country that spends close to a half a trillion dollars on defense efforts to a country that spends 1/20th of that... instead of saying they're incompetent, why not address a lack of capability...

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Nov 2008 01:02

Pressured to act perhaps? Some are caught in the homegrown terror paradigm. Whereas some know it is Paki sponsored. It is probably a jostle among the two camps there too.