Bharat Rakshak

shiv wrote:As I see it the only way to bring down the most egregious aspects is by publicly and indirectly shaming the supporters by showing how hypocritical they are by resorting to murder and suppression of Muslims who disagree while denying that it occurs. Killing of kafirs by Muslims does not matter one bit. A live kafir slave or dhimmi is held up as a sign of liberalism in Islam.

dada wrote:Summary of non muslims in pk (from a paki source)
1.40m hindus + 1.23m christians + 0.116m ahmadis + 5,934 Sikhs + 3,650 Parsis + 1,452 Buddhists + 809 Jews

Jhujar wrote:Pakistan was made for all the right reasons and religious extremism was not one of them!
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Had Pakistan been created only for Muslims then all the minorities would have tried to immigrate to India

anmol wrote: THAT is the only confusing thing about this man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4P6n0CMMpU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i47KNrO7UE

He said that trend of obtaining degrees and passing examinations through illegal means was increasing.

Narad wrote:

anmol wrote: THAT is the only confusing thing about this man.

The fellow is a staunch anti-islamist, anti-Jihadi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4P6n0CMMpU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i47KNrO7UE

sanjaykumar wrote:Until the majority of Pakistanis start thinking like Fateh, Akhand Bharat is a delusion and extremely undesirable. However if they do demonstrate Fateh's free thinking, rationality, humanism and decency, India will HAVE to take them back.

This is something that may be difficult to accept.

One usually dreams when one has indigestion, has been eating or drinking too much or when one is under tension. Only saintly people have dreams that have relevance to actual events

How would you rate the performance of the Peoples Party government?

Not great but much better than expected. It tried to undo some dangerous trends of the past. It evolved a policy of normalcy with India and it requires Indian reciprocity and control over groups that would derail the normalisation process.{Nothing new from uneven} It played a double game in Afghanistan but it is evolving its own form of good relations with major regional and non-regional powers — not simply a foreign policy of 'help me or else', which is how it related to the US for years.

The US contributed to Pakistan's problems by failing to support internal reform and political democracy. Our policies have changed but we still do not have a policy for all of South Asia - instead, the US has a good India policy, a risky Afghan policy and perhaps several Pakistan policies.

But the major states of South Asia cannot wait for the US to come to a conclusion about what its interests are. India and Pakistan should take the lead in promoting regional cooperation which would include trade, energy, water and environmental issues, let alone an understanding of how to manage their nuclear weapons programmes.

India needs a stable and forward-looking government in Pakistan, one that has the confidence of the Pakistan army and can move forward. New Delhi can also provide assurances and inducements to Pakistan, so this becomes the agenda of their shared future - not another 65 years of hostility.

Gunmen in Pakistan on Monday set ablaze five trucks carrying Nato equipment out of Afghanistan as the international military alliance winds down its combat mission there, officials said.

Four masked gunmen on two motorbikes opened fire at the vehicles, forcing them to stop and then doused them in petrol to set them on fire in the southwestern province Baluchistan.

Britain is giving £300m of taxpayers’ money to a controversial programme of cash handouts in Pakistan which is accused of bankrolling the re-election campaign of Benazir Bhutto’s former party.

“It is not stolen to the extent to which previous cash transfers were stolen, but this is the mechanism - which is funded partly by DFID - to make friends and influence people. This is the re-election campaign of Mr Zardari, which is funded by DFID,” he said. “Well done.”

pankajs wrote:Stephen P Cohen: Pakistan has a race between growing competence and problems

How would you rate the performance of the Peoples Party government?

Not great but much better than expected. It tried to undo some dangerous trends of the past. It evolved a policy of normalcy with India and it requires Indian reciprocity and control over groups that would derail the normalisation process.{Nothing new from uneven} It played a double game in Afghanistan but it is evolving its own form of good relations with major regional and non-regional powers — not simply a foreign policy of 'help me or else', which is how it related to the US for years.

The US contributed to Pakistan's problems by failing to support internal reform and political democracy. Our policies have changed but we still do not have a policy for all of South Asia - instead, the US has a good India policy, a risky Afghan policy and perhaps several Pakistan policies.

But the major states of South Asia cannot wait for the US to come to a conclusion about what its interests are. India and Pakistan should take the lead in promoting regional cooperation which would include trade, energy, water and environmental issues, let alone an understanding of how to manage their nuclear weapons programmes.

India needs a stable and forward-looking government in Pakistan, one that has the confidence of the Pakistan army and can move forward. New Delhi can also provide assurances and inducements to Pakistan, so this becomes the agenda of their shared future - not another 65 years of hostility.

Puke worthy on many points but essential to understand your enemies.

ramana wrote:IOW he wants India to pay baksheesh instead of US! And US will tell how the baksheesh is to be doled out.

martinbaker wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... ur-country

Good, refreshing news is that our colleague (if I may be allowed to call myself a columnist) and senior and prominent anchorperson, Najam Sethi, has been selected to be the interim chief minister of Punjab. He was a minister in the interim setup of Malik Mairaj Khalid. He is a well-informed, well-read scholar of international affairs and, by using his little birdie, is able to foretell many events.

by using his little birdieis able to foretell many events.

keep insisting on the old course declaring extremism as a tactical weapon and wait to join the club of African nations like Guinea or Somalia.

In the tape, a teenage suicide bomber named Masood, who was involved with a May 2008 double suicide bombing in Lahore, stated: "Suicide bombers are the atomic weapons of Muslims because Muslims do not have the latest weapons to fight enemies who are committing atrocities against Muslims in Kashmir, Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq."
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Taleban wants to start suicide attacks in India - we must be prepared to deter and repel them.

Pakistan has a population of 180 million; it contains 2.58 per cent of the world’s population and is the sixth most populous country in the world. Its total fertility rate (TFR) is three, which is the highest when compared with the world birth rate of 1.1 per cent. Economically, Pakistan has no more than three per cent economic growth — almost equal to the birth rate — clearly showing unstable economic growth.

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During the recent democratic government’s rule, Balochistan had a TFR of 4.1 and there seemed to be no activity by the Population Welfare Department in the province. Sindh and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa have had a TFR of 4.3 for the last 10 years and no significant progress has been made. Punjab also has a TFR of 3.9 and again, the Population Welfare Department lagged behind and only remained engaged for five long years with the health department on power transfers.

RajeshA wrote:

shiv wrote:As I see it the only way to bring down the most egregious aspects is by publicly and indirectly shaming the supporters by showing how hypocritical they are by resorting to murder and suppression of Muslims who disagree while denying that it occurs. Killing of kafirs by Muslims does not matter one bit. A live kafir slave or dhimmi is held up as a sign of liberalism in Islam.

shiv saar,

even here, in green-on-green violence, there is a growing acceptance. The greener ones think that they are stopping shirk and the less greener - they will continue to plead for brotherhood and consider all violence a conspiracy by the Yahud-Hanud-Nasara and Takfiris. From Iran's reaction, we see that they continue to speak in favor of Pan-Islamism, even as Shia die by the hundreds every week.

The more one tries to tell them that they are dying because of Islam, the more they will consider you as part of the conspiracy.

So even here there are defensive psychological mechanisms. Perhaps what may help is a lot more video coverage of the gory details of green on green. Too few videos are coming out!

shiv wrote:
The educated Muslim elite probably understand but they are powerless to change the course of Islam. But among the educated elite are a bunch of educated power brokers - for example the Paki army and RAPE class of Pakistan who profess to be devout Muslims and use the support of illiterate Muslim masses to simply kill someone or the other for personal goals/glory. Illiterate Muslims make great slave armies that can be manipulated by controlling the Muslim elite.

PESHAWAR: At least two people were killed when unknown assailants fired rocket at a grid station in Peshawar’s Budh Berh area in the early hours of Tuesday morning, DawnNews reported.
According to police, the attack killed a policeman and Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) employee adding that the grid station was completely destroyed in the incident.Soon after the attack, electricity went off and the area plunged into darkness.Moreover, the incident spread fear among residents of the area.Police cordoned off the area after the attack and started investigations

In 2002, a cleric called for Muslims to kill Christians, right before Christmas day, motivating two men killing three girls during a Christian sermon in Chianwala.On June 5, 2006, a Christian labourer, Nasir Ashraf, drank water from a nearby public water facility, using a glass chained to it. Muslims, who caught him do that, battered him for polluting the glass. A crowd gathered and assaulted Ashraf, with bystanders cheering the attackers and calling Ashraf a ‘Christian dog; he was hospitalised later.In June 2009, International Christian Concern reported the rape and killing of a Christian man in Pakistan, for refusing to convert to Islam and those who raped the poor man were obviously Muslims.During a press conference in Karachi, on May 30, 2011, Maulana Abdul Rauf Farooqi and other clerics of Jamiat-Ulema-e-Islam Sami-ul-Haq group, demanded to ban the Bible. Maulana Farooqi said, “Our lawyers are preparing to ask the court to ban the book.”Children at tender age, through academic books, are infused with ideas full of religious heroism and demagoguery, glorifying one religion over the other. Our young minds are bred on a notion propagating other religions as inferior and portraying them to be anti-Islamic. Consequently, they grow up to be self-righteous, superior individuals, set out to make the world right according to their own ideals.The intolerance for other religions has steeped so deeply in our society that Christian house cleaners and helpers have to convert to Islam merely for economic purposes. For most Muslims, they are considered ‘untouchables’ and would not get a job in a society, thumping with Muslim population. The irony is that when these Christians convert to Islam, they are rated as ‘second class or ‘half-Muslims’ and are called ‘Muslas’ . Had Bertrand Russell been a Pakistani, instead of intellectualising the premise of his famous essay “Why I am not a Christian”, he would have justified the notion with fear, discrimination and victimisation.

akashganga wrote:

shiv wrote:
The educated Muslim elite probably understand but they are powerless to change the course of Islam. But among the educated elite are a bunch of educated power brokers - for example the Paki army and RAPE class of Pakistan who profess to be devout Muslims and use the support of illiterate Muslim masses to simply kill someone or the other for personal goals/glory. Illiterate Muslims make great slave armies that can be manipulated by controlling the Muslim elite.

Not necessarily true. Osama Bin Laden was a civil engineer. Many among the 9/11 attackers of US were educated in the US or Europe. Islamism affects both educated and uneducated.

akashganga wrote:

shiv wrote:
The educated Muslim elite probably understand but they are powerless to change the course of Islam. But among the educated elite are a bunch of educated power brokers - for example the Paki army and RAPE class of Pakistan who profess to be devout Muslims and use the support of illiterate Muslim masses to simply kill someone or the other for personal goals/glory. Illiterate Muslims make great slave armies that can be manipulated by controlling the Muslim elite.

Not necessarily true. Osama Bin Laden was a civil engineer. Many among the 9/11 attackers of US were educated in the US or Europe. Islamism affects both educated and uneducated.

RCase wrote:Pigs being bred to be slaughtered

Pakistan has a population of 180 million; it contains 2.58 per cent of the world’s population and is the sixth most populous country in the world. Its total fertility rate (TFR) is three, which is the highest when compared with the world birth rate of 1.1 per cent. Economically, Pakistan has no more than three per cent economic growth — almost equal to the birth rate — clearly showing unstable economic growth.

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During the recent democratic government’s rule, Balochistan had a TFR of 4.1 and there seemed to be no activity by the Population Welfare Department in the province. Sindh and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa have had a TFR of 4.3 for the last 10 years and no significant progress has been made. Punjab also has a TFR of 3.9 and again, the Population Welfare Department lagged behind and only remained engaged for five long years with the health department on power transfers.

OK. Which province Ayeshas and Abduls are non pious and have a low TFR to pull the overall average down to 3.0; while the rest of the country is clocking around 4? Can some learned maulaner help clarify the Madrassa Math on population statistics?

Dipanker wrote: OBL was not a civil engineer, he was arts major and had a BA degree or something like that.

At least seven people have been killed in an attack by dozens of militants on an electricity plant in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, officials say.

A policeman and a plant employee were killed on the spot and 10 people were taken hostage, police said.

amit wrote:I recently caught the new G I Joe movie which has been banned in Pakistan.

While the ostensible reason for the ban is that the opening scene shows the Paki nukes falling into the hands of terrorists and the Joes snatching them back, I think the real reason for the ban is further into the film.

Without giving away the plot let's just say that at the climax of the movie we have a scene where the leaders of all nuclear power states are seated at a negotiating table and the Indian PM has a pretty prominent part to play there both in calling the US "president" mad and in pushing the trigger to start bomb delivery. Heck you even had a North Korean guy in the scene.
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KARACHI: Before joining the race for parliament, candidates for the May 11 elections may have to prove their ‘adequate knowledge’ of Islamic teachings and the Quran and may be requested to recite a ‘Sura’ or particular Quranic verses and answer questions about the number of ‘rakats’ in any of the five daily prayers.

But according to some political parties, this is an “astounding addition” to the process of scrutiny. However, the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has described it as being in conformity with ‘constitutional’ requirements .What a senior ECP official termed a process of “ruthless” scrutiny began on Monday with a number of candidates appearing before returning officers had to answer different questions, including those about religious injunctions.

One such case was recorded by TV channels when Owais Muzaffar Tappi, PPP candidate for a Sindh Assembly seat and President Asif Ali Zardari’s close aide, was asked about the number of Namaz one is required to offer in a day. He took a couple of seconds to tell the number of ‘rakats’ in Fajr prayers.In Hyderabad region, nomination papers of a Muttahida Qaumi Movement candidate were rejected during scrutiny. The party says if lack of knowledge about Islamic teaching was declared as the reason behind the rejection, it would challenge the process of scrutiny.“Papers of one of our candidates from Matiari were rejected by the returning officer,” said Advocate Aslam Pervez of the MQM’s legal aid committee. “The reason is not yet mentioned but the candidate was asked several questions about Islamic teachings and if it would be the cause of the rejection we would definitely file an appeal.”He said returning officers had no authority to ask such questions, adding that a person’s faith could not be gauged through questions relating more to his memory than his knowledge about Islam and its teachings.

But a senior ECP official justified the questions and said that under article 62 (e) of the constitution candidates were required to have adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings.“There is no harm in asking such questions if the returning officers want to satisfy themselves about an important element of the qualification clauses”, he said.The article 62 of the constitution explains the criterion of “qualifications for member of Majlis-i-Shoora (parliament)” and its clause (e) reads: “He has adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings and practices obligatory duties prescribed by Islam as well as abstains from major sins.”But political parties deem it “inappropriate” to judge any candidate’s knowledge about Islamic teachings through a set of questions. They argue that memorising answers of certain questions could not determine anyone’s faith.“Nomination papers of our party candidates have not been rejected because of that particular reason but I still believe that testing a candidate’s faith in Islam through his memory is not appropriate,” said the Awami National Party’s provincial general secretary Bashir Jan. “One can’t reject any honest and upright candidate just because he has not learnt any Quranic verse by heart.”Rashid Rabbani of the PPP agreed with Mr Jan and said:“I don’t think it’s justified to weigh one person’s knowledge of Islamic teachings through these questions.”