INS Vikramaditya: News and Discussion

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 04 Feb 2016 09:21

Austin wrote:The 29K need to multi missile carrier rack so that their pylons can carry more than single R-73/R-77 perhaps 2-3 AAM per pylon , each of those rack are rated to carry many times over the weight of R-73/77

Arent they developing such racks for the LCA? Perhaps similar could be done for the 29s too. Will be interesting to see what route the IN takes in upgrading the fulcrums...the Russians are "promising" AESA, and 10 ton engine. By then I'd assume the Uttam should be available, Astra, a range of desi munitions and EW fit.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 04 Feb 2016 09:23

What weapon type is this, that not a AK630

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Feb 2016 09:25

IIRC we discussed this its some kind of Decoy System

INS Vikramaditya Testing Its ZiF-121 Launcher

http://www.aame.in/2013/07/ins-vikramad ... f-121.html

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 04 Feb 2016 11:37

Zif-121 is not unique to Vikramaditya. A lot of moving parts for a specialist system. But probably allows lot more rounds and different minutions unlike Maareech and Kavach.

These are mounted on Delhi class as well:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _India.jpg

Between aft funnel and Shtil-1 system.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 04 Feb 2016 17:41

Thank you Aditya/Austin. It's usage on Delhi class is news to me, it's not listed in any of these ship type.

http://www.rbs.ru/vttv/99/firms/applphys/e-140mm.htm
3 types of round probably used with this system-

1. TSP-47 radar jamming rocket;
2. TST-47 optronic jamming rocket;
3. TSO-47 combined optical-visual jamming rocket.

What confused me was the way firing videos was focused on splashdown, indicating its role as anti sub mortar.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 05 Feb 2016 07:45

U.S. says making progress in aircraft carrier collaboration with India

India and the United States are making progress in talks on the joint development of an aircraft carrier for India, the top U.S. navy admiral said on Wednesday, potentially the biggest military collaboration between them.

The two countries agreed to work together on aircraft carrier technology as well as jet engines during U.S. President Barack Obama's visit to India last year in a strengthening of ties to balance China's expanding military power in the region.

The visiting chief of U.S. Naval Operations, John Richardson, said the two sides had held talks on a range of issues relating to the next generation Indian carrier from its design to construction.

A high-level U.S.-India joint working group is due to meet in New Delhi later this month, part of a series of meetings aimed at establishing broader cooperation on the design, development and production of the proposed Indian carrier.

"We are making very good progress, I am very pleased with the progress to date and optimistic we can do more in the future. That's on a very solid track," Richardson told reporters in New Delhi.

India inducted an old aircraft carrier from Russia in 2014 while an ageing British vessel is set to retire this year. It is building an indigenous carrier that is expected to enter service in 2018-2019.

But the navy also plans a third, its biggest carrier yet, for which it has sought U.S. assistance, especially state-of-the-art technology to launch aircraft.

Richardson said the electromagnetic launch technology that enabled a navy to fly heavier planes from a carrier was part of the discussions with India.

"All of those things are on the table, there are possibilities, its a matter of pacing, it's very new technology for us," he said.

China has one aircraft carrier and announced last month it is building another. The Pentagon said in a report last year that China could build multiple aircraft carriers over the next 15 years.

India's navy, which has long considered the Indian Ocean its area of influence, has been unnerved by Chinese naval forays in the region and its efforts to build port infrastructure in countries stretching from Pakistan to Djibouti on the African coast.

After years of neglect, the Indian government has approved the navy's plans for a dozen new submarines, six of them nuclear-powered. More than 40 warships are under construction

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 05 Feb 2016 11:31

Thanks, John, for adding the Puma bit that was missed by me.

@Aditya & Austin - Fregat & RAWL are the search & track radar that feeds the CMS that cues the Elta 2221 or Orekh guidance radar for Barak1 & Shtil respectively.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Jun 2016 09:12

Photos: Vikramaditya Sea Trials @ Severodvinsk

http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/479876.html

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Jun 2016 14:09

The MIG-29Ks are fully capable carrier aircraft which can acquit v.well itself against any current opposition..Legacy Fulcrums were considered better fighters than F-16s,and the PAF's scooting from our MIG-29s during Kargil underscores how heavily respected is this v.versatile fighter.The Russians are also building a few doz for their carrier (Kuznetsov) too.They can carry a wide range of BVR,WVR and anti-ship missiles.BMos is also planned to be part of its weaponload,one std BMos,but when BMos-M arrives,the number may go upto 3.What would be v.interesting is for a future naval MIG-29 with TVC engines and AESA radars as seen on the MIG-35.This would make the aircraft even more lethal in air combat. perhaps this will be done in the future when the aircraft is upgraded or with new orders.As the former USN CNO said,the US is moving more towards "payload centric" concepts and systems rather than "platform centric" systems.

Yes,the Vik-A has been terribly underestimated by many including some on BRF.They fail to recognize that the carrier is virtually "brand new",having been almost completely rebuilt/re-equipped. What can make it more lethal is for the 30mm ADGs to be improved with lightweight gun/missile mounts,adding extra SAMs to air defence. No idea whether B-8 can replace the B-1 launchers supposedly salvaged from a pensioned off warship. It does seem possible though given the size/space of the mounting.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Jun 2016 14:27

Another MiG-29K for the Indian Navy in Zhukovsky

Today, June 7, 2016, was seen MiG-29K (draft 9.41) number 833, izgototovlen factory RAC "MiG" in Lukhovitsy and is designed for 303 AE (Hans) of the Indian Navy. The aircraft no markings and flag registration and is in LII. Gromov in Zhukovsky. It is assumed that the recently received and color that will go for a permanent home in India.

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/78759/

Singbhai · Post by **Singbhai** » 10 Jun 2016 20:18

Accident on INS Vik. 2 dead

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 693139.cms

The accident took place when a team of workers were replacing a pipe in the sewage treatment plant located among the lowermost compartments of the 20-storey tall aircraft carrier. "The workers were trying to repair the leakage of sewage water and Hydrogen Sulphide fumes when the mishap occurred," said an official.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 10 Jun 2016 21:25

Looks like they were contractors working there , Sad Incident . RIP

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 11 Jun 2016 10:14

This is a terrible tragedy.Something similar happened on the Trenton/Jalashwa a few years ago and it regularly happens in cities when the poor manual workers die of asphyxiation.Such workers must be given gas masks and other protective clothing when working in hazardous areas.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 11 Jun 2016 13:53

A terrible tragedy RIP

Hope this never happens in the future

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 12 Jun 2016 14:06

Philip wrote:This is a terrible tragedy.Something similar happened on the Trenton/Jalashwa a few years ago and it regularly happens in cities when the poor manual workers die of asphyxiation.Such workers must be given gas masks and other protective clothing when working in hazardous areas.

Honestly Phillip , sometimes I stand up for you, sometimes I ignore you but today I can't do those anymore.

Whats with you inserting that line in there.... oh look it happens in your cities and your american ships too ?
Why did you have to defend the Vik... no one was taking a pot shot at it.
We are nobodies here .... the Board of Inquiry will do what it does.

Seriously stop defending every Russian hammer and screwdriver in our inventory.
Honestly please stop.... it just has the exact opposite damned effect you are wanting.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Jun 2016 10:57

Khalsa,the point is examine these two tragedies,both involving IN warships.Similar cases.It has nothing to do with the Jalashwa tragedy being on a former US ship.
Please don't ascribe malafide intentions to me.I strongly resent it and deny it.

Has nothing been learnt from the former tragedy? The newspapers regularly post reports of workers being killed when cleaning STPs,septic tanks,wells,etc. In mines,miners used to carry,perhaps still do, birds in cages to warn them of toxic gases. Why can't gas masks,etc. be given as mandatory when such dangerous tasks are being carried out? The IN now has two similar tragedies to deliberate upon.Do we need a third in future?

Five Indian sailors killed on former U.S. Navy ship
Five Indian sailors were killed and three others wounded during a training accident late Friday aboard an amphibious ship formerly based in Norfolk.
Sailors aboard the Indian ship Jalashwa, formerly known as the U.S. Navy ship Trenton, were killed when they inadvertently breathed hydrogen sulfide gas during ship maintenance, the Indian navy announced Saturday.

Sorry,there's this one too.but at MDL,a little different from the other leaks,as the officer killed was struck on the chest by an exploding cylinder valve

Navy officer dies on board in gas leak
Mumbai, March 8 (IANS): In the second major incident affecting the Indian Navy in a fortnight, an officer was killed and a worker injured after inhaling carbon dioxide gas leaking from a cylinder on an advanced warship, INS Kolkata, being outfitted at the Mazagaon Docks Ltd (MDL) here Friday afternoon, an official said.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Jun 2016 11:07

even high pressure truck tired are quite dangerous i read. when changing them, a wire cage is supposed to be installed around the tire...people have died from being struck by exploding truck tire it seems. people who dig wells also sometimes die of suffocation due to some gas.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Jun 2016 11:22

In the aftermath of the Falklands War,where the RN lost several warships,many modifications were made to ship design,fire-fighting procedures,etc.One I remember was making all hatches wide enough for sailors fighting fires wearing their fire protection clothing and carrying their gear. I wonder whether these defects and improvements made have bee noted by our naval architects. The Russians supposedly changed the design of their auto-fire fighting eqpt aboard subs after the Nerpa disaster killing several sailors before the sub was handed over to the IN as the Chakra.Accidents will happen aboard warships and subs given that there is so much of flammable material,munitions,fuel,etc aboard,but one has to learn from every mistake.The SR sub tragedy was officially put down to most likely being SOPs being infringed upon during loading of weaponry.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Sep 2016 18:20

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/7 ... 7421457408

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 14 Oct 2016 10:59

What is the status of the overhaul? How long is the overhaul/refit and when will it be ready to fight?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Nov 2016 20:34

Cochin Shipyard refits INS Vikramaditya ahead of schedule

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

"The Cochin Shipyard Limited dispelled doubts that CSL could repair the largest Indian aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, when on November, 5, 2016, the refit was completed a month ahead of schedule," the Ministry of Shipping said in a statement.

In September, the Navy, one of CSL's biggest clients, decided to dry-dock the carrier attached to Karwar Naval Base at CSL for repairs on contracted schedule of 70 days.

"It was clearly an opportunity for CSL to prove that India had the infrastructure as well as expertise for the task," the government said.

This will also ensure readiness and preparedness with an indigenous capability in the case of an emergency, without having to face the embarrassment of sending the ship outside the country for repairs.

Rajesh Gopalakrishnan, General Manager (Ship Repair Division) at CSL, said, "Till INS Vikramaditya docked in Cochin Shipyard and water was pumped out of the dock and we had her sitting safely, there was a real concern on whether India could do it."

The statement said CSL tasked IIT Chennai with undertaking a detailed dock floor strength analysis to prove that the CSL dock indeed had the capacity to accommodate loads of this nature.

The work package was contracted and scheduled for 70 days, but certain operational requirements called for significant compression of the time-frame and the ship was un-docked and taken out of the yard in 42 days, it said.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Dec 2016 10:34

After Sales

RAC-MiG plans to set up a service centre in India for MiG-29K soon

A FORCE Report [http://forceindia.net/AfterSales.aspx]

Induction of MiG-29K and its successful integration with the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya has enhanced Indian Navy’s combat power and offensive capability. MiG-29K aircraft has been equipped with high-end avionics completed with anti-aircraft beyond visual range missiles, guided anti-ship missile and smart guided bombs and rockets.

While the maintenance of the aircraft for the first few years is part of the original contract, it may be a little too early to talk about after-sales support. However, the Russian manufacturer RAC-MiG has already started making plans for the future support of the squadron. To facilitate this after-sales support, RAC-MiG (part of the Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation) is planning to open a repair and maintenance centre in India itself. This is very much in line with India’s efforts to develop indigenous aircraft industry with the support of the global manufacturers.

Speaking with FORCE at a meeting earlier this year, the general director of RAC-MIG, Sergey Korotkov said, “Since India is the first customer of MiG-29K we are planning to setting up a service centre in India”. He indicated that there was enough time for this as the MiG-29K are new and have three years of serviceability contract with the original equipment manufacturer (OEM). “Indian pilots are doing good flight hours. The Russian warranty team is looking after the MiG-29K onboard INS Vikramaditya. Once we open the service centre in India, there will be a separate customised contract to look after them,” he said.

Fortunately, there have been several attempts to ease out the bureaucratic delays that emerge during the contract signing of the spares and other equipment. The Russian federal government has already given permission to four OEMs (excluding Rosoboronexport, but including UAC) to do direct dealing for repairs, maintenance and spares with India. The nominated Russian OEMs can now both deal directly with India and also with other Russian smaller OEMs who as sub-contractors made the relevant spares.

Going beyond the maintenance and support, RAC-MiG is also looking at future sales of its aircraft. In July 2016, Rosoboronexport (part of the Rostec State Corporation) and the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) signed a programme to aggressively promote Russian military aircraft in the export market for the period 2016-2019. The document was signed by Rosoboronexport director general Anatoly Isaykin and UAC president Yury Slyusar.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 10 Feb 2017 10:24

INS Vikramaditya & Mig-29K

Both clips above have shown the max or nearly max take off weight of Mig-29K/KUB.

1. 5 tons load in buddy-buddy re-fuel role:

- 4 x 1,150L wing tanks: ~ 4.4 tons incl. fuel, empty tanks and pylons.
- Upaz-MK fueling pod: ~ 0.6 ton incl. pylon

2. 5.8 tons load in anti-ship role:

- 2 x 1,150L wing tanks: ~ 2.2 tons incl. fuel, empty tanks & pylons.
- 1x 2,150L centre tank: ~ 1.9 tons incl. fuel, empty tank & pylon.
- 2 x Kh-35E missiles: ~ 1.4 tons incl. 2 missiles & 2 launch ejection rails.
- 2 x R-73 missiles: 0.3 ton incl. 2 missiles & 2 lanch rails.

Two MiG-29s taking off from VKD and one with strike config.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Feb 2017 11:12

News report today about an IL-38SD test firing a KH-35 ASM.Isn't this std. armament on the 29K too?

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 10 Feb 2017 12:48

Austin wrote:After Sales

RAC-MiG plans to set up a service centre in India for MiG-29K soon

A FORCE Report [http://forceindia.net/AfterSales.aspx]

hmm. I never noticed those slats on the LERX (near the junction of wing and LERX) on MiG-29 before. Guess those are there only for naval version.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 06 May 2017 10:56

Vikramaditya Front Lift link

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Nov 2017 10:34

HUD Approach

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Nov 2017 12:29

Great pics.Interesting to see how 2 Kamovs can be accommodated by the lifts.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 17 Nov 2017 15:25

Austin wrote:Photos: Vikramaditya Sea Trials @ Severodvinsk

http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/479876.html

Them typhoons!

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 18 Nov 2017 10:37

Austin wrote:INS Vikramaditya & Mig-29K

Both clips above have shown the max or nearly max take off weight of Mig-29K/KUB.
1. 5 tons load in buddy-buddy re-fuel role:

- 4 x 1,150L wing tanks: ~ 4.4 tons incl. fuel, empty tanks and pylons.
- Upaz-MK fueling pod: ~ 0.6 ton incl. pylon

2. 5.8 tons load in anti-ship role:

- 2 x 1,150L wing tanks: ~ 2.2 tons incl. fuel, empty tanks & pylons.
- 1x 2,150L centre tank: ~ 1.9 tons incl. fuel, empty tank & pylon.t
- 2 x Kh-35E missiles: ~ 1.4 tons incl. 2 missiles & 2 launch ejection rails.
- 2 x R-73 missiles: 0.3 ton incl. 2 missiles & 2 lanch rails.
Two MiG-29s taking off from VKD and one with strike config.

OMG!

That is some excess thrust! 5.8 tons take off on STOBAR! GREAT find Austin....

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 04 Dec 2017 21:10

What It's Like To Be On India's Largest Warship — INS Vikramaditya.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 09 Jan 2018 20:08

Vishnu Som‏Verified account @VishnuNDTV

First ever footage on Indian Navy MiG-29Ks landing at night in pitch darkness on the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya.

https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/9 ... 8445658112

DM on 29K

https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/9 ... 8864233473

chola · Post by **chola** » 09 Jan 2018 20:23

Austin wrote:Vishnu Som‏Verified account @VishnuNDTV

First ever footage on Indian Navy MiG-29Ks landing at night in pitch darkness on the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya.

https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/9 ... 8445658112

DM on 29K

https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/9 ... 8864233473

Beautiful!!!!

Scratch my bitch and moan post on the Vikrant thread! lol

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 10 Jan 2018 17:05

Indian Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman on the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3042118.html & livefist

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 10 Jan 2018 17:17

Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman onboard INS Vikramaditya; witnesses India's Naval might

chola · Post by **chola** » 10 Jan 2018 17:49

That Dhruv in that mass flightline swells my heart. Been posting these photos in various mil forums. India’s naval aviation is making an appearance in a big way once more.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 10 Jan 2018 18:15

Also, our heavy hitters: Kolkata, Kochi and Chennai in the same frame..

chola · Post by **chola** » 10 Jan 2018 19:11

sudhan wrote:Also, our heavy hitters: Kolkata, Kochi and Chennai in the same frame..

The lines on the Kolkata class are simply gorgeous to behold aren’t they? Slim, lithe and powerful at the same time. Not only our most powerful ships at sea but our most beautiful as well!

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 11 Jan 2018 01:49

chola wrote:
sudhan wrote:Also, our heavy hitters: Kolkata, Kochi and Chennai in the same frame..
The lines on the Kolkata class are simply gorgeous to behold aren’t they? Slim, lithe and powerful at the same time. Not only our most powerful ships at sea but our most beautiful as well!

The Project 15 Bravos will be better looking thanks to better shaping of the bridge/foxle.

What would be this room in Vikramaditya?: