Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 06 Sep 2013 08:21

^^^ Or shift the locus. Start demanding temple autonomy and the opportunity cost of existing flow of funds to GOI be used as leverage. Instead of defensive, be on the offensive. It is almost like Indian territorial losses

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 06 Sep 2013 08:24

The appropriate response is to start by demanding fiscal reforms to temples as an initial gesture of faith, and that any handover of temple gold for bullion holding will be considered in conjunction with similar measures directed at the assets of all other faiths.

This, I like. The larger point I am making is that we have the leverage now. Lets see whether we can get something substantial from it.

So, instead of saying "eff off", the temples should be proposing something like the above because there is something to be gained this way (for the temples).

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 06 Sep 2013 08:32

But why should GoI get Gold from Temples. Why why why ? Why even there be a negotiations on such a Gazanavi-ish kind of Idea.
Why should we even entertain such thoughts.

Let them sell off Taj Mahal or Red Fort to highest bidder and take that money if they are so desperate. Why look with evil eyes towards the HINDU temples.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 06 Sep 2013 08:37

It's important to understand leverage. The response to this trial balloon is not to get emotional and put up a front of victimization. Instead, utilize press avenues to push the alternate proposal. So many posts talking indignantly about GoI's suggestion amounts to getting ones panties in a bunch unnecessarily. Why would the stronger party have to act aggrieved in the first place ? That's a completely WTF approach. The moment expropriation of Wakf or church assets is suggested, GoI is going to drop this like a hot potato.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Sep 2013 08:42

Source: Andhrajyothy news paper.

Apparently TTD rejected the gold plan.

But the trustees of Mumbai Siddhi Vinayaka temple supported this call and offered to sell Ganeshji's gold ornaments. A timely offering to Congress govt on the eve of Ganesh chaturthi.

***

This is why I made a call more than a year ago. STOP your donations to temple. Sponsor a daily puja for your family by paying the priest some monthly salary. If you are a deshabhakt ask the priest to do puja for the betterment of Desh.

Beyond that if you have money, sponsor Ekal vidyalaya or Akshayapatra type program or even better Rangde.org where you can keep your principal amount.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Sep 2013 08:45

Suraj wrote:? That's a completely WTF approach. The moment expropriation of Wakf or church assets is suggested, GoI is going to drop this like a hot potato.

There are still only few Sons of Soil spreading the good news of selling Waqafboard and Church land holdings and other assets instead of Gold from the House of Bhagwan. Let Nanha here use their mighty Keyborad on SM to light up the Batti in corrupt Upa/PSec Stinking ass.

If required, Gold shall be made availabe for Noble cause when Modi is elected as PM, Not before. Othe wise God will end up in Rome just like that of Qadafi;s holding.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 06 Sep 2013 08:51

Trusting government that too this GOI is like trusting Pakis
Just being patriotic and suggesting that as the most secular nation (on the earth )the burden of the nation should be on all shoulders. Not just majority religion bear the cross no?

No undies lost or gained but let all lift the country with the tide a cross to salvation

Also the so called strongest party namely majority religion in this nefarious scheme of GOI is weakest link, if it is not , the proposal would not even be uttered. The majority religion is the most fractured and is the least organized religion with no papal guidance, or mullah moulana guidance

The last time somebody tried to unify murder charges were instituted
The last time somebody organized a meet in Delhi was lathi charged while guys who kicked amar jawan monument are roaming Scott free. So much for trusting GOI
Any ways sensible chaddis will tighten into jhanga in hanuman Vyayamshala for sure in the near future
Should that happen I would be indebted to the present coalition drama
Notice how PM was walking at the end of the visitors in St Petersburg like a guy who got failed grade student in the Ivy League class...

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 06 Sep 2013 08:59

Suraj wrote: Why would the stronger party have to act aggrieved in the first place ? That's a completely WTF approach. The moment expropriation of Wakf or church assets is suggested, GoI is going to drop this like a hot potato.

I don't think the temples/Hindus have much leverage in this matter. The government can legislate to commandeer temple gold with some flimsy excuse and totally not touch wakf or church properties. I have seen enough of left sikoolar govts to not trust them.

1. The govt. will claim that what is needed is gold, not any other kind of property
2. Even if it includes wakf and church properties, it will only do a notional seizure
3. Any more than notional repossessing of wakf properties is sure to see violent protests

There are some Samskrit books published and sold by Rashtriya Samskrit Samnsthanam which are used to teach /self learn Samskrit. The UPA government stopped publishing them. See, the govt. is not losing money on the books. Even if it is, its peanuts compared to its other expenditures. The sikoolar govt. is being very thorough in destroying anything remotely connected to Hinduism.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 06 Sep 2013 09:00

Shivraj Singh Chouhan meets Rajnath Singh & Mohan Bhagwat to seek delay in naming Narendra Modi as PM candidate (ET)

More media mischeif perhaps?

Or as a CT would have it, they're expanding the number of available targets so that namo alone doesn't take all the GoI ire and fire, perhaps. or maybe its true and there's indeed a leadership rift, who knows?

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 06 Sep 2013 09:09

hanumadu wrote:
Suraj wrote: Why would the stronger party have to act aggrieved in the first place ? That's a completely WTF approach. The moment expropriation of Wakf or church assets is suggested, GoI is going to drop this like a hot potato.
I don't think the temples/Hindus have much leverage in this matter. The government can legislate to commandeer temple gold with some flimsy excuse and totally not touch wakf or church properties. I have seen enough of left sikoolar govts to not trust them.

1. The govt. will claim that what is needed is gold, not any other kind of property
2. Even if it includes wakf and church properties, it will only do a notional seizure
3. Any more than notional repossessing of wakf properties is sure to see violent protests

There are some Samskrit books published and sold by Rashtriya Samskrit Samnsthanam which are used to teach /self learn Samskrit. The UPA government stopped publishing them. See, the govt. is not losing money on the books. Even if it is, its peanuts compared to its other expenditures. The sikoolar govt. is being very thorough in destroying anything remotely connected to Hinduism.

It is all by design. But what are the Hindu folks in the Congress doing

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 06 Sep 2013 09:10

hanumadu, so the approach is 'we don't really have any leverage. They could take it from us anytime. Let's just hand it over and make our greviances known' ? Interesting. If that's the kind of self goal-based approach involved, I don't have anything more to say on the matter.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Sep 2013 09:10

first of all, who gave the gov control over temples? can we explore that law little bit? how it came into legislation?

how are we making rules and reglulations is important to sorting the root cause issues.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 06 Sep 2013 09:20

Just ponder for a minute
A government
That rigs auction of air waves for g scams
That allows illegal mining inAP TN Kerala exporting strategic minerals
That is afraid to ask Swiss banks to disclose the illegal assets
That allows left right center money laundering thru IPL
That can't touch Dawood Bhai but co opts him

Is going to discuss and plead with temples to give gold voluntarily ?
One must be kidding to the nth degree to believe

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Sep 2013 09:25

Even with full trust models, we find smugglers and bribarian corrupts steal statues, gold, diamonds as was done pre independence day.. many temples of TN is left with no real artifacts and all have been stolen. what remains is fake.

what has the gov been doing ? what controls are in place to prevent such things to happen?

since they find some billions of gold and money in temple land suddenly, gov wants to take control that as well. instead of criminals swindling it, a well known devaswom body handling it has been well preserved within the confines of temple chain of commands.

i think people need to raise above the bar, and start thinking how they want to live further. this has gone way too much into ways of living.

the real awakening has to begin.. every person must start waking from their socialistic mindset to a more participative citizenry.. and questioning every move by the gov. restablish the gov structure, and ressurect the dead freedom.

i want a billion MKG people rise! and walk towards it. evil gov will have no other option to surrender to good citizens.

corruption is evil.. it has no religion.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 06 Sep 2013 09:53

Suraj wrote:It's important to understand leverage. The response to this trial balloon is not to get emotional and put up a front of victimization. Instead, utilize press avenues to push the alternate proposal. So many posts talking indignantly about GoI's suggestion amounts to getting ones panties in a bunch unnecessarily. Why would the stronger party have to act aggrieved in the first place ? That's a completely WTF approach. The moment expropriation of Wakf or church assets is suggested, GoI is going to drop this like a hot potato.

Saar,
you beautifully explained the leverage. Thanks.

But there is a reason for getting the chaddies in a twist. The temples are completely under the control of sarkaar, unlike the religious institutions of other ideologies. And most of the people working as the trustees in temple boards(particularly rich temples) are appointed based on political connections. So, such people would be more than willing to do what the sarkaar tells them to do. Further, sarkaar can do whatever it wants, laws and propriety be damned. It can secretively take all the money from temples without informing the public. Any opposition would be muzzled and bulldozed especially if the political opposition is also in nexus with this scheme.

How many political parties are going to speak up against this Ghazni-Ghori plan? How many NGOs or medias are going to take the sarkaar to task?

So, Hindhus should be on high alert and guard. Any such Ghazni-Ghori proposal should be shot down immediately. No negotiations nothing. The idea is simply unacceptable.

Actually, the sarkaar has no business running the Temples in the first place, leave alone usurping the money/gold/land of temples.

This is supposed to be a secular raj, then why depend on Temples? Didn't Pandit ji say that dams are the modern temples?

Short of declaring the desh as a Hindhu country and changing the constitution accordingly, nothing is worth giving up the Temple gold. Even then, giving up temple gold will have to come up with several constraints. A country that uses the temple funds must be a Hindhu country. Secular countries can use secular wealth.

And as people have pointed out, the temple wealth is the wealth donated by the devotees. It is not the bap ka maal of sarkaar. The lands occupied by wakf and church were donated by the sarkaar(that too alien sarkaar). Let them retake all those lands from the wakf and church that was given during brit administration.

Anyway, even if the gold is donated, does any seriously think that it will be used for the welfare of the country? If they are really so interested in the country, then let them bring back the crores and crores that they have looted from public treasury. That itself will set the things right. No, if the gold is given, that will also be looted. And it will set a precedent. Every 10, 20, or 30 yrs, they will run the country to ashes and then demand the gold that accumulated in the temples. Aam ke aam aur gutliyon ke dhaam. You loot the public treasury and then you also get to loot the temples... wah re wah!

People should make it clear that no one should even look at the wealth of temples...

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Sep 2013 09:54

RamaY wrote:SaiK garu,

Amy Rao is a real name.
Emi Rau = knows nothing in telungu.

So I am suggesting Amy garu a spelling of her name, that would have been more funny. Same as Ramya or YamaR for RamaY.

Y Amar gAru

Nijam cheppAlanTE meeru anEdi Emi rAdu

To tell the truth what you (plural) should be saying is "a know nothing". Theek hai?

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 06 Sep 2013 09:56

Suraj wrote:hanumadu, so the approach is 'we don't really have any leverage. They could take it from us anytime. Let's just hand it over and make our greviances known' ? Interesting. If that's the kind of self goal-based approach involved, I don't have anything more to say on the matter.

I am not saying we shouldn't do anything. Just saying right now Hindus don't speak in one voice, but nevertheless we should try. And what you suggested is the better approach. You show some progress, and we will show some.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Sep 2013 09:58

RamaY wrote:Both are correct. Telungu is more classical use.so people who got separated long time back call it telungu, and recent branches call telugu...

Chenna pattanam is ancient brotherhood ain't it?

Even tenungu is classical. la and na go across so do va and ba in Indic languages.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Sep 2013 10:02

if we want to do it, then try is not the word. join is the not the word.. but just do it is the word. we have been talking like this for eons. spread the knowledge about what is right and wrong, and ensure everyone understands and takes the right path and must act. if you have done that, then it is a new beginning.

hail marten.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 06 Sep 2013 11:06

Some of the posts on the subject of temple gold remind me why I don't frequent this thread. All I can say is, the past, present and future are what you make of it. Personal and community beliefs can combine to make perceptions of the future a self fulfilling prophecy. If one - individually or as a community - chooses to believe you've either no leverage here, or that your leverage is minimal and mai baap sarkar can and will easily take it away, the chances are much greater that that's exactly what will happen.

If I were a mullah or EJ, I'd be overjoyed to have to deal with a community filled with such fatalism and inability to mobilize. Too bad shiv isn't on the forum anymore to pisko-analyze. GoI won't have to take anything away from the temples. If it comes to pass, what will happen is that people will GUBO and hand the gold right over... and then proceed to spend the next N years/decades bemoaning their fate at having been 'compelled' to do so, or find justifications for the act after the fact.

Serious question: There's a lot of passion amongst those who post in this - the most active of the forum - thread. But what exactly has 330 odd pages of this thread done in the real world towards the subject, beyond contribute to Pepto-bismol and Lipitor sales ?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Sep 2013 11:10

Actually I don't think this temple gold conversation belongs here anyway. Can folks please take this to the Economy thread or another place where it is more relevant ???

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 06 Sep 2013 11:13

Another one for those who want to be on Modi's platform.
http://jansamvad2014.in

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 06 Sep 2013 11:21

Suraj wrote:
Serious question: There's a lot of passion amongst those who post in this - the most active of the forum - thread. But what exactly has 330 odd pages of this thread done in the real world towards the subject, beyond contribute to Pepto-bismol and Lipitor sales ?

Suraj, that's not really a fair question, because outright political activism is officially proscribed on BRF. Even while the old-school restrictions on discussing politics have now been somewhat relaxed, there's still not much that forumites can do in terms of collectively formulating strategy and orchestrating efforts towards specific political goals, without incurring the displeasure of admins. Will the admins announce an official change in BRF policy to the effect that the BRF community may now be openly committed to doing whatever it takes to make Narendra Modi the PM of India? If so, I think you'll see the thrust of discussion here taking a serious turn towards influencing real-world events. Otherwise the serious discussions will continue at offline venues, and only venting will occur here for the most part.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 06 Sep 2013 11:26

Hari Seldon wrote:Shivraj Singh Chouhan meets Rajnath Singh & Mohan Bhagwat to seek delay in naming Narendra Modi as PM candidate (ET)

More media mischeif perhaps?

Or as a CT would have it, they're expanding the number of available targets so that namo alone doesn't take all the GoI ire and fire, perhaps. or maybe its true and there's indeed a leadership rift, who knows?

Hari garu,
(I stopped writing on this for a while)

Media mischief is part of it only. I vehemently do not believe anymore the theories of LKA's sooisooi. The clamor for power for certain Dilli BJP honchos is a given thing. RNS in spite of his pro-Modi posturing is also part of the game. Right now the game is to postpone Modi's declaration as long as possible. It is imminent that MP CM will win just like Modi. The Dilli billi will want to tell Niku, RSS that Shivraj is their PM candidate and bring back the theory of non-Modi PM ship is more inclusive. The hope is that they can dance around Shivraj Singh. The hope of all secular gangs is that if Modi is firmly not-incarnated and any alternative is better choice because that gives them a breather at hustings.

However, the cadre is restless and that is why the manipulation and always "next month declaration" is perennial. If they do not declare Modi this month then it is LKA still calling the shots.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Sep 2013 11:30

the point is also what is the alternative idea to dynasty.. nah? one will find contrasting ideas of desh from many corners of discussion points. it just so happened, modi's performance in gujarat seems to have triggered this topic to see the whats and hows of ways, one could challenge the dynasty and get an alternate form of gov in place. we can't just ignore the current affairs and say, that does not belong here. of course there is a scope to it, and that should be rather well defined.

discussion about the alternative plans is important here than gold per se. i started frequenting this thread because there was some dynamism in thinking different for desh.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 06 Sep 2013 11:32

CEO confidence survey: Almost three fourths back Narendra Modi; less than 10% want Rahul Gandhi as PM

BJP is yet to formally anoint Narendra Modi as its prime ministerial candidate, but an overwhelming chunk of the country's top business leaders is convinced he's the best man for the job.

Almost three-fourths of 100 honchos polled in the 'ET CEO Confidence Survey' want Modi as PM. Rahul Gandhi is way behind — just 7% back him. India Inc's leaders are sending two clear and separate messages — one on national leadership and another on politics. The first is this: After a long policy drought, CEOs are impatient for strong leadership, intent, decisions and action.

Modi, they seem to think, has more to show than Gandhi on all these counts. But India Inc's big vote for Modi, this survey also suggests, is not necessarily an endorsement of his politics, but only a thumbs-up for his leadership. While 74% believe Modi will be a better PM than Gandhi, 58% are fine with either a Congress or BJP government as long as it's stable. And that's the second message: leadership and stability matter more than party colours.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 06 Sep 2013 11:33

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1504621

You have a point, Suraj garu. But Hindus have soft leverage not a hard leverage on govt. and as someone said, one trusts this govt only as much as one trusts the Pakis. There has to be some standing of govt in minds if people. This govt is abject failure, subject of extreme ridicule and devoid of any spine and simply shameless.

It will be shame on Hindus if they decided to help this comatose govt out.

I have said earlier. If there is a leader like NaMo (or anyone of personal integrity as high and uptight as LBS, people will give their personal gold as well. I will for starters.) there is no point trying to leverage this govt because they are inept and unwilling to fulfil the demands made by Hindus. In fact they will willingly fulfil EJ or Mulla demands if church or waqf land is to be sold. Because it fits well with their politics. Demands made by Hindus won't be fulfilled or will be dillydallied. Hence it is not wise to help this paki govt who has absolutely no shame and iota of honor. Look at the response of PM towards missing files of biggest scam unearthed in India. Raama knows how many other scams are pending to be unearthed. You think this govt will fulfill the promises made to Hindus prior to acquiring their gold? Hindus are not organized yet to clutch the balls of govt and make them fulfil the promises. EJs ans Mullas can. Until one does not have that strength or Nuisance value, we should hold on to that gold until right person whom people believe come to power and until the hindus are physically organized to create multiple pressure points on GOI to fulfil the promises.

Sach puchho to shar me hi basti hai deepti vinay ki
Sandhi-vachan sampujya usika jisme shakti vijay ki
Sahansheelta kshama daya ko tabhi poojta jag hai
Bal ka darp chamakya uske peechhe jab jagmag hai

"The glory of humility resides only in the range of your arrow, dharmaraaj. Only his leverage and peace talks are valid who can win and have promises fulfilled anyways. People value tolerance, compassion and forgiveness only when the sun of might and power shines behind in all its glory"

The sun or aaditya of Hindu valor or vikrama is astangata (combust). It might be showing signs of rising but no one, not even hindus are sure. Until it rises, the night belongs to enemies of dharma.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Sep 2013 11:36

Muppalla wrote:CEO confidence survey: Almost three fourths back Narendra Modi; less than 10% want Rahul Gandhi as PM

BJP is yet to formally anoint Narendra Modi as its prime ministerial candidate, but an overwhelming chunk of the country's top business leaders is convinced he's the best man for the job.

Almost three-fourths of 100 honchos polled in the 'ET CEO Confidence Survey' want Modi as PM. Rahul Gandhi is way behind — just 7% back him. India Inc's leaders are sending two clear and separate messages — one on national leadership and another on politics. The first is this: After a long policy drought, CEOs are impatient for strong leadership, intent, decisions and action.

Modi, they seem to think, has more to show than Gandhi on all these counts. But India Inc's big vote for Modi, this survey also suggests, is not necessarily an endorsement of his politics, but only a thumbs-up for his leadership. While 74% believe Modi will be a better PM than Gandhi, 58% are fine with either a Congress or BJP government as long as it's stable. And that's the second message: leadership and stability matter more than party colours.

Excellent ! This is the only endorsement that ideally should carry weight, but not sure if India has reached that stage of maturity yet.

Muppalla ji, please crosspost to Economy thread.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 06 Sep 2013 11:44

Rudradev: Actually, your understanding is mistaken. Let me clarify: this entire thread exists as a concession. It's not political activism that's against forum rules in the letter - it's the discussion of both politics and religion itself. However, that has been impossible to accomplish in the entire history of this forum. Instead what exists is this - a compromise where threads like this exist, as long as forumites do not make it hard for moderators by spilling over the discussion of politics and religion over the rest of the forum.

I don't wish to belabor the definition of political activism, but this thread, IMHO, certain serves as a platform for likeminded folks to mobilize and discuss, if a poor one. There's no need to kid ourselves as to which side of the political spectrum the sympathies of the vast majority of the posters here lie. What the forum cannot do is to serve as a publicly visible platform favoring any party, which is why this and every other political thread exists within GDF.

Back during the last elections, Muppalla had a very high profile thread tracking potential election results, never mind the fact that his numbers turned out to be WAY off the mark. There's plenty that folks can do collectively here that doesn't require the forum to be an official mouthpiece of anyone, the least of which is to not espouse a bunch of fatalistic views that just serve to remind me that some of the unpleasant garbage spouted by TSP and its predecessors about us as a community is more than accurate even today. It's odd to see some of the same people mocking them for such views of us in the BENIS thread, and then post here in a manner than just affirms those claims from across the border. I don't know if the extraordinary irony is even apparent

niran · Post by **niran** » 06 Sep 2013 14:39

back to regular programming thanks to Baba Ramdev
today Baba Ramdev gave a press conference from some where in India, initially the understanding was he would yak yak on Sadhu Charitra(PC trait of a Sadhu) but he in a very politically savvy manner gave an Uvacha(statements) which caused all tele channels telecasting live to take a break and start yak yaking about how MMS strongly gave an earfull to Obamama
some of his uvacha

last few days people have been discussing about an authority for oversight of Sadhu behaviors
I would like to let everyone know we as in every other "mat" (used in Hindi not in English ) have a very strict code of conduct for Sadhus along with punishments for errant ones

so far so good, yes?

NEWS channels gives 15 days worth of news bytes for a baba accused of wrong doing, but I have had been doing Mahila unmoolan (or some such thing) from Bengal to Maharashtra I began it with "Charan pakharow" (washing of feet in reverence)of dalit mahilajan and not a single second worth of news byte about, media should be balanced and unprejudiced IMO, some channels even show my photo
along with the photo of the accused baba which is very unjust.

now for the kicker

this country needs mahanayak(super hero) to govern it, not some "Budhu Pappu"(his exact phrase and google for the meaning), IMVVHO NaMo is the onree Mahanayak, if bhajapa does not declare NaMo as the PM candidate then I and my organization will not provide one bit of support to Bhajapa.

after this all channels suddenly found more urgent NEWS items to telecast.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 06 Sep 2013 14:40

Modi found guilty on eight charges

#blowtomodi.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 06 Sep 2013 15:19

^Haha!

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 06 Sep 2013 15:38

actually , this modi surnamed confused me when new channel had a ticker saying "lalit modi to face life ban" , in a hurry while channel surfing i forgot to read the first name

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Sep 2013 16:52

Ssc just now tweeted that media reports claiming his opposition to namo being declared pm nominee are completely baseless

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Sep 2013 18:31

matrimc wrote: To tell the truth what you (plural) should be saying is "a know nothing". Theek hai?

That is well known, isn't it = Jagamerigina Satyam kadaaa...

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 06 Sep 2013 18:53

No Modi, no support, says Baba Ramdev to BJP

http://news.oneindia.in/india/no-modi-n ... 00969.html

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Sep 2013 18:55

Suraj wrote:Some of the posts on the subject of temple gold remind me why I don't frequent this thread. All I can say is, the past, present and future are what you make of it. Personal and community beliefs can combine to make perceptions of the future a self fulfilling prophecy. If one - individually or as a community - chooses to believe you've either no leverage here, or that your leverage is minimal and mai baap sarkar can and will easily take it away, the chances are much greater that that's exactly what will happen.

If I were a mullah or EJ, I'd be overjoyed to have to deal with a community filled with such fatalism and inability to mobilize. Too bad shiv isn't on the forum anymore to pisko-analyze. GoI won't have to take anything away from the temples. If it comes to pass, what will happen is that people will GUBO and hand the gold right over... and then proceed to spend the next N years/decades bemoaning their fate at having been 'compelled' to do so, or find justifications for the act after the fact.

Serious question: There's a lot of passion amongst those who post in this - the most active of the forum - thread. But what exactly has 330 odd pages of this thread done in the real world towards the subject, beyond contribute to Pepto-bismol and Lipitor sales ?

Thanks Suraj garu... for the pertinent question.

This is the mindset that we can observe in every single thread on the forum. A member recommends India make civilizational compromises and gives undue and permanent advantage to GCC just to get $2-5B FDI per year, where as our economy is $2T and our NRIs send more than $70B back home every year. Another member suggests we cannot manage PoK so we should not even make our legitimate claim on that - without thinking how is China, Pakistan etc are managing such tasks... You can see this mindset threadbare. we named it 'deracination' and are trying to modify the thought process to become aware of our own strengths and advantages.

What are we doing on the ground? It is up to each member. I will list out what I am doing personally.

- Cleaning the deracination in my next generation. After 2 years now my extended nephews and nieces joined my email group now. There are ~20 young (13-25 yrs old) in our group, who will see Bharat for what it is and are self-confident. In five more years I will make this group a trust that will contribute to India's success story in a meaningful manner; in addition to them pursuing their individual career. My goal is to make 100 people Bharat Rakshaks on Bharatiya streets in 5 years.

- Working with some people who are making the newly build temples (outside endowments dept) institutions of true knowledge. We just started the process and already have one active priest who meets school children and conducts mass programs. Goal is to build 10 such groups in 10 different villages/places.

I am sure there are many others who are doing much more than I am doing. In fact the non-BR members are doing a lot in the arena.

Every forum has different composition. BR being a forum with its own demographic profile. All these years, this demographic profile (forgive me for saying this) did not assert their Bharatiya identity. They accepted the indian identity and went along with the fashion without questioning the basis for that. When the next wave of members questioned that fundamental premise, many of them called BR a hindutva forum and left it. The objective of this and other 'communal' threads is to make the BR demographic become self-aware.

Every member is a contributor and consumer at the same time in this Yajna. Knowledge is going in all directions from all directions.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 06 Sep 2013 19:05

Why is electronic media showing a pro-Congress bias?
-by Meenakshi Lekhi
| Sep 3, 2013 |

Mukhiya mukhu so chahiye, khan paan ko ek Paale poose sakal ang, Tulsi sahit vivek.

Kabir’s doha, when translated, means this: just as the mouth receives food that nurtures all parts of the body, the leader must be driven by similar wisdom. The Congress-led UPA is possibly unaware of this, as is obvious from the current political and socio-economic crisis it has got India into. The consequences of over several lakh crores of loot in the last nine years through the 2G, coal and other scams are now being felt across the nation. India has been assaulted like never before.

While many believe that this government is weak and paralysed, the back story suggests the contrary. The present Congress government seems to be a rogue regime run with an iron fist on the lines of several authoritarian or autocratic regimes around the world. Its actions speak louder than words. The actions of this regime have ensured massive unemployment, encouraged imports that destroy local production capacities, and, most importantly, have facilitated the criminal loot of national resources.

On the political front, this regime continues to engineer a separatist mindset, by fortifying ethnic groups as vote banks and by dividing India. Be it Left-wing terror, jihadist terror or any anti-India movement, the Congress is found to be creating, nurturing and controlling divisive tendencies. The root cause of all problems such as casteism, communalism, law and order or social unrest lies in illiteracy, unemployment and poverty.

Survival insecurities and religious fundamentalism are being used as weapons of political mobilisation and mayhem. A closer look at the UPA’s support structure reveals how India’s institutions are being subverted. Parties supporting the UPA, such as the SP, BSP, DMK and many others, are being kept in line by the Congress party through the use of state power in the form of CBI, Enforcement Directorate, NIA, etc. Deceit and criminal intimidation have become legitimate tools of governance.

The Congress party’s 57 years of rule have created artificial pressure groups to deceive the masses. It has planted its supporters in the executive, the media, and industry to justify and legitimise its sins. Let’s take the example of the mainstream media (MSM), especially the television media. It has a pro-Congress bias. The pattern is like this: suppress most cases of Congress-run corruption while highlighting individual and nationally irrelevant issues.

Remember how embarrassingly silent the MSM was on the cash-for-votes scam that allowed UPA-1 to continue in office? Cameras were also focused on the antics of some Hindu Sena activists near a Karnataka bar in January 2009. Similarly, when the Indian economy is in a shambles, the nation is reeling under corruption, inflation has raised the cost of necessities, and there is huge unemployment and loss of job opportunities, the mainstream media finds Asaram Bapu to be the main news point.

While the role of the state government is not discussed, there are regular repetitions of this episode. There are no updates on gigantic scandals such as Satyam, NREGA, Augusta Westland, and sale of Railway Board jobs. FIRs against Sheila Dikshit, Jagdish Tytler and CBI cases against Andhra Pradesh ministers are not even reported, forget taking them up for prime-time discussion.

Similarly, ethnic riots in Assam, UP and nearly 5,000 cases of major and minor riots post-2004 are conveniently forgotten. The MSM has never questioned the communal credentials of the Congress party which has a history of overseeing riots in the country even while being in alliance with communal parties such as MIM, TNMMK and the Muslim League. India’s MSM has maintained complete silence involving Congress leaders and their family members in corruption cases under the disguise of editorial freedom of choice.

The ethics of journalism are completely forgotten while dealing with anyone other than the Congress. The IPL saga too was part of the same unwitting efforts at cover-up. At a time when the Central government was at the receiving end of the stick and being pulled up and censured by the Supreme Court for its role in the CBI investigations into Coalgate and the mama-bhanja sale of Railway Board jobs, the media was focused on N Srinivasan’s resignation drama at BCCI.

Time and again, there is an attempt to make the Indian public forget the gigantic scams involving public funds while playing IPL (private money) sagas, turning encounters into fake ones, and mocking leaders from the opposition while protecting the misdeeds and criminality of the Congress regime!

The time has come to ask honest questions from the Indian media. Will the fourth pillar display integrity and act as the custodian of the right to information or ignore its duty, especially when the nation is going through a crisis?

Even as I am writing this piece, important information on the indictment of Sheila Dikshit by the Delhi Lokayukta, and court orders for the registration of FIRs against her and Jagdish Tytler is in the air. But I wonder whether it will make it to prime-time discussion.

The author has been a socio-political activist for over 20 years, is a practicing lawyer and national spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party.

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SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Sep 2013 19:13

There was a 10 minute time on NPR on the state of Indian economy and going south. From MIT Rajan taking over RBI to blaming Sonia Gov by veggie vendors. Demand for cars to rising oil prices, and vegetables everything in the highlights. The downward spiral can't be doing anything to do with religion but logic. The biggest pain point in the NPR presentation was the genuine concern that is plaguing the Indian system of living. That is "CORRUPTION".. and bureaucracy. This plays in all aspects of daily life, business and everyone knows but can't say it in public!

while I was hearing this, I was like "What the phuck!" .. aren't we saying it in public? no.. the dilli guy who spoke (who sells parts to maruti suzuki) is wrong. the WTF corruption happens, not just by not talking in public, but happens by the way the system itself is established, and people love to continue on with it. There is nothing out in public to discuss??? how true this could be?

Would this be not an election plan to counter? Wouldn't a possible next leader think on these terms? would we not encourage discussion on removing corruption from desh? I see very less on this subject. something tells high about "our inherent qualities" that we stand for.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 06 Sep 2013 19:15

It is not Kabir ke dohe

It says Tuslse ke sahit Vivek

Wise would attribute it to Tulsi das no?