Indo-Israel: News and Discussion

[A_Gupta]

Anjem Choudary promises a Muslim uprising in Delhi on March 3rd, in his twitter feed.

[johneeG]

with most people suggesting that its iran or hezbollah behind the attack it looks like we are stuck between the deep sea and the devil. As stated by an earlier poster even if it was iran who did it we wouldnt be able to do anything abt...and the reason goes to our energy needs as 45% of our oil comes from Iran....

It seems that India imports about 12-15% of oil from Iran. And about 45% of that import from Iran will be paid by India in Rs in coming months.

This attack may be used to pressurize India to stop that payment.

Actually, regardless of the investigation, it is already being assumed that Iran/Hezbollah is the perpetrator of the attack. So, if one argues that no quarter should be excluded from suspicion, then we need to suspect at other players because Iran is already under suspicion(it is not being excluded at all).

[nachiket]

When we posit our energy needs as forcing our hands to deal with the GCC who maintain the very clerics who spread the posion around for the subcontinent - and keep on interacting,....<snip>

From the manner of your post, it would seem you disapprove of this arrangement. So in your opinion, how should India take care of its energy needs without having to deal with the GCC, or Iran for that matter ?

[sunnydee]

Thanks for correcting me JohneeG..

[Narad]

Conclusion:
Iran would have to be ultra-stupid to carry out attacks in India and Georgia which would make it very difficult for India or Georgia to stick around with Iran. The motive of Iran is not clear in carrying out this attack. If the motive was vengeance for killing their scientists(and stopping their nuclear program), then the attack was certainly very small(because it would have no deterrent effect). And the location(India) does not add up.

It seems to me that the motive of this attack was to implicate Iran and use it as an excuse to force India and Georgia to snap their ties with Iran. Further, to use this as an excuse to justify any future strikes on Iran.

johneeG saar, Most certainly this is the case. This may be a "tactically brilliant" US/Israeli attempt to hopefully befool offsprings of Chaanakya, by means of this obviously naive, and hardly qualifying, a semi-chanakian trick.

[lakshmikanth]

Going by googal + internet research on Georgia + Chechenia, it seems there was considerable Chechan refugee crisis in Georgia. Possibly a lot of Jihadis infiltrated the Chechans present in that country after the second Chechan war.

Given that most Chechans are Sunnis (and thus most Jeehardies are also Sunnis), the only network that could possibly use them and the cells in India to hit at the same time is the Porkistani network. So the end point of the trail is going to be TSP.

How it reached that end point is going to be an interesting case:
is it
a) Iran --> Jundullah --> TSP --> HIT
b) Iran --> TSP --> HIT
c) KSA/GCC --> TSP --> HIT (motive to get oil money to Sunni economy)
d) Israel-->Unkil --> TSP --> HIT

[sunnydee]

Raman's pov

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 120214.htm

[sunnydee]

With the recent attempt at an israeli diplomat's life the indo-iranian equation is going to be debated. If it turns out to be a Hezb-Iranian link it will put India ties esp with isreal under some pressure. The following link gives details about India's energy concerns and why india has been maintaining links with iran for strategic reasons...
http://205.254.135.7/countries/cab.cfm?fips=IN

[hulaku]

Somewhat related to the bombing in Delhi

Reuters) - A man thought to be an Iranian was seriously wounded in Bangkok on Tuesday when a bomb he was carrying exploded and blew both his legs off, police and a government spokeswoman said.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/02/1 ... 7T20120214

[member_20617]

Considering that the Saudis would want India to put some distance between herself and Iran, as well as to push the Israelis to take the lead against Iran, while keeping themselves in the background, this act could just as well have been undertaken by the Sunni terrorist cell!

RajeshAji,

I also think it is the Sunni Muslim Terrorist cell.

Sunnis don’t like Shias and therefore they also hate Iran which is a Shia country.

Sunnis also don’t like India having a strong relationship with Israel, particularly our huge military purchases from Israel. This Sunni Muslim Terrorist cell wants to create a division between India and Israel, hoping that it will result in less military purchases which will be beneficial to Pakistan, a Sunni country.

Sunni Muslim Terrorist cell have three aims:

(1)Create a bad feeling between Israel and India

(2)Create a situation so Israelis doubt Iranians which makes Israelis more determined to attack Shia Iran

(3)Get more funding from Saudi Arabia as SA hates Israel and Iran

This is a trial run and there may be more and severe attacks to come in future.

[Philip]

The US and the Jewish lobby in the US is putting enormous pressure upon India to cut tiees with Iran.For.Sec.Mathia was harassed by these US entities during his recent visit there.No coincidence,the US is also pressurising Sri Lanka to do the same despite the fact that Sri Lanka without Iranian light crude will be in dire straits ,both from petro shortfalls as well as badly affecting Ceylon Tea sales to Iran! The recent Lankan petro price hikes have rsulted in spontaneous nationwide protests and violence.Does India too want to go the same way? The US cares bugger all for Indian interests,so why should we care for its vendetta against Iran? One can ubnderstand Israel's paranoia,but it possesses nuclear weapons,which Iran does not .Iran is more worried about Sunni Saudi mischief in attempts to destabilise it than Israel (other than the threats of Israeli attacks against its N-installations) and should sort out its security issues with Iran directly.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 879251.cms

Senators irked by India’s Iran ties, stalled nuclear trade
Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN | Feb 8, 2012,

WASHINGTON: India's continued engagement with Iran in the face of American pathology against Tehran and New Delhi's insistence on putting safety before commerce in nuclear energy trade surfaced as wrinkles in an otherwise smooth and upbeat assessment of US-India ties during the confirmation hearing of Nancy Powell, the US ambassador-nominee to India.

US Senators gushed about the growing closeness between Washington and New Delhi, a proposition supported by Ms Powell, but on a day India's foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai met Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other state department mandarins to present New Delhi's perspective on these and other issues, lawmakers did not hold back from expressing annoyance at the Indian stance on Iran and stalled nuclear trade with US

The sharpest censure came from New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez who virtually accused India, which is one of Iran's largest energy buyers, of ''rebuking (US-led) sanctions'' and ''looking for workarounds, including considering payments in gold and transactions that detour around'' Washington's move forestall Tehran's nuclear ambitions.

''For our sanctions to be effective, it's really crucial that all nations, particularly democratic nations like India, work together to confront Iran,'' Menendez said, urging Powell to convey to New Delhi that this is a ''policy priority'' and the US will not hesitate to take appropriate action under its law to enforce the sanctions, a step that will hurt Indian companies if they continue trading with Iran.

Powell was measured in her response, noting that Iran and India have a long tradition of trade across energy and other fields, but also noting twice that foreign secretary Mathai has indicated India's effort to diversify its energy sources and reduce Iranian oil imports to less than 10 per cent. She also pointed out that India had supported the US at the IAEA four times and it shared with Washington a desire to see a nonnuclear state in Iran.

''I think these are positive developments,'' she said, adding that ''our own efforts to support India in looking at other sources of energy will be a contributor to this.'' She however promised to spend time working with New Delhi on this subject.

Similarly, Powell also heard senatorial annoyance at India's nuclear liability bill, which veteran senator and disarmament pundit Richard Lugar said could frustrate the US nuclear industry's efforts to play a role in India's expanding nuclear power sector. Lugar said the bill's terms are ''fundamentally inconsistent'' with the liability regime that the international community is seeking to achieve and wanted the prospective envoy to take this up.

Outside these two niggles, there was the usual buoyant assessment of US-India ties, with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry reiterating the broad Washington consensus that ''America is an interested stakeholder in India's increasing ascent to greater economic and greater global power and participation.'' Powell, a veteran foreign service nominee who Kerry described as ''one of our best'' agreed, describing India as ''leading security partner of the US in the 21st century.''

Describing India as a ''net security provider in the Indo-Pacific region,'' Powell, considering a shoo-in for the New Delhi post with confirmation a mere formality, said the ''number and kinds of interactions between our two countries at all levels is staggering in its breadth and depth.''

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...w/11809273.cms

Jewish tourists draw India into conflict map

[Atri]

haha. it is one of those moments which INC has hated the most since its inception.. the moment which forces fence-sitters to take sides. nothing serious might transpire, but brownie points will be awarded and taken away by Israel-Unkil and Iran respective depending upon stand of India. The choice is whether India does not let this negatively influence Indo-Iran ties and win 2 points from Iran. Whether India lets this to negatively influence Indo-Iran ties and win 2 points from Unkil-Israel. Or whether India continues to sit on fence and lose 1 point each from both Iran and Unkil-Israel.

Even if the doers are sunni terrorists (that means saudi money, in turn blessings of unkil) the choice of India won't change.

The executive arm of attack most likely from ISI-Dawood nexus.

[gakakkad]

Going by googal + internet research on Georgia + Chechenia, it seems there was considerable Chechan refugee crisis in Georgia. Possibly a lot of Jihadis infiltrated the Chechans present in that country after the second Chechan war.

Given that most Chechans are Sunnis (and thus most Jeehardies are also Sunnis), the only network that could possibly use them and the cells in India to hit at the same time is the Porkistani network. So the end point of the trail is going to be TSP.

How it reached that end point is going to be an interesting case:
is it
a) Iran --> Jundullah --> TSP --> HIT
b) Iran --> TSP --> HIT
c) KSA/GCC --> TSP --> HIT (motive to get oil money to Sunni economy)
d) Israel-->Unkil --> TSP --> HIT

I doubt Israel did it . It ll not kill its own . That is something one can be sure of . Unless of course there is a rogue Mossad operative . In spite of all the bravado , they don't want to whack Iran. Their generals are scared shit of the possibility of war . And I don't blame them. If I had 7 million pople cramped into a tiny strip of land , I d be scared too .

IMHO the sunni/wahabites have the highest stakes . They may have acted independently or in liaison with the US. The executioner may or may not have been a TSPian .I doubt TSP has any reach in georgia .

[Altair]

A few months ago, US vetoed a resolution in Security council for Israel. What has changed in last few months to make US an enemy of Israel?

Not necessarily enemy but conflict of interest.

False Flag Op by Mossad posing as CIA agents
Stopped sharing Intel on Iran with CIA
A fallout with White House and POTUS on settlements issue

[sunnydee]

haha. it is one of those moments which INC has hated the most since its inception.. the moment which forces fence-sitters to take sides. nothing serious might transpire, but brownie points will be awarded and taken away by Israel-Unkil and Iran respective depending upon stand of India. The choice is whether India does not let this negatively influence Indo-Iran ties and win 2 points from Iran. Whether India lets this to negatively influence Indo-Iran ties and win 2 points from Unkil-Israel. Or whether India continues to sit on fence and lose 1 point each from both Iran and Unkil-Israel.

Even if the doers are sunni terrorists (that means saudi money, in turn blessings of unkil) the choice of India won't change.

The executive arm of attack most likely from ISI-Dawood nexus.

Even if was a BJP or the third front alliance they would have been faced with the same diemma ....frankly the only situation where we will win without losing anything is if it was pak based pak only sponsored terror org....otherwise it has put us as you said in bad situation.....

[Yogi_G]

Recent terror attacks have less to do with Israel than we think

[Altair]

I doubt Israel did it . It ll not kill its own . That is something one can be sure of . Unless of course there is a rogue Mossad operative . In spite of all the bravado , they don't want to whack Iran. Their generals are scared shit of the possibility of war . And I don't blame them. If I had 7 million pople cramped into a tiny strip of land , I d be scared too .

IMHO the sunni/wahabites have the highest stakes . They may have acted independently or in liaison with the US. The executioner may or may not have been a TSPian .I doubt TSP has any reach in georgia .

I agree with everything you said but you must also remember that most wars are started for profit and greed. There would be lot of people in US who would benefit immensely if Israel and Iran fight a war. These people would be the market makers of War. It happened before and there is no reason why it wont happen again.

[Y. Kanan]

To be blunt, ****** Isreal and ****** the US. Any faint hope the US would help tackle the Pakistan problem is gone; their stated policy is now to leave Afghanistan even earlier than expected and hand over victory to the Taliban. US has no problem giving Pakistan its "strategic depth" and letting Afghanistan go right back to where it was before 9/11, leaving us holding the bag. Soon the drone strikes and other ops in Pakistan will be a distant memory and the RAPE\jihadis will have kissed and made up. We, India, will face the combined might of the entire Pak jihadi machine, newly unified and rejuvenated, and backed by a Pakistani military loaded with high-tech weaponry courtesy Uncle Sam.

The last 10 years have been a complete wash in terms of what the US has done for our neighborhood. Frankly, we were better off before they came here.

As for Isreal, if we can deal with a Pakistani islamic bomb then they can damn well learn to live with a nuclear Iran. Isreal has never given us any real backing against Pakistan; they certainly never had a problem with Islamabad acquiring nukes because they were aimed at us dirty brownies and not the oh-so precious Jews, whose lives are worth so much more than the lives of any other people on earth.

I see now reason we should wreck our own economy by cutting off Iranian oil exports just to placate the Isrealis, much less the United States.

[SwamyG]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/NB15Df02.html

The international media wanted to know who had done the attack minutes after it was reported.

The police was wary. Let us conduct our investigation, they said. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu went before his parliament and accused Iran of a terrorist act. "The elements behind these attacks were Iran and its protege, Hezbollah." Iran, he said, is "the largest terror exporter in the world" and Israel "would act with a strong hand." This was all the confirmation that BBC needed. It began to report the attack as an Iranian act against an Israeli diplomat on Indian soil.

Why would Iran conduct an attack on an Israeli diplomat in India, particularly as India is in the midst of trying to negotiate a delicate arrangement with Tehran to pay for Iranian oil? The question mystifies.


India's dilemma: How to pay for Iranian oil
By Vijay Prashad

An explosion on Aurangzeb Road in New Delhi damaged an Israeli embassy car, and injured its occupants.Tal Yehoshua Koren, the wife of the defense attache at the Israeli embassy was seriously wounded. She is in critical care. She was on her way to pick up her children from their school. It is unusual for a diplomatic vehicle to be attacked on the streets of New Delhi. The Delhi police went into action. The international media wanted to know who had done the attack minutes after it was reported.

The police was wary. Let us conduct our investigation, they said. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu went before his parliament and accused Iran of a terrorist act. "The elements behind these attacks were Iran and its protege, Hezbollah." Iran, he said, is "the largest terror exporter in the world" and Israel "would act with a strong hand." This was all the confirmation that



BBC needed. It began to report the attack as an Iranian act against an Israeli diplomat on Indian soil.

Why would Iran conduct an attack on an Israeli diplomat in India, particularly as India is in the midst of trying to negotiate a delicate arrangement with Tehran to pay for Iranian oil? The question mystifies.

Iran is responsible for 12% of India's imported oil (see my India pivots, and pivots again, Asia Times, February 9, 2012). Over the past two years India has struggled to find a mechanism to pay Iran for this oil. Sanctions by the United States and the European Union as well as by the United Nations Security Council against Iran have complicated the market for Iranian oil. Until 2010, India used the facilities offered by the Asian Clearing Union (ACU), founded in 1974 as an outgrowth of the United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific.

To help countries economize on their foreign exchange reserves, the ACU allowed them to conduct bilateral barter and make payments using the Asian Monetary Units (currency units indexed to the US dollar and the euro that allowed countries to hold surpluses and deficits outside their formal foreign exchange reserves). In December 2010, under pressure from the US Treasury, the Indian government withdrew from the ACU facility (a Reserve Bank of India circular from December 27 noted that "all eligible current account transactions including trade transactions with Iran should be settled in any permitted currency outside the ACU mechanism").

The Indian government then turned between February to April 2011 to a complex mechanism using the Hamburg-based Europaisch-Iranische Handels Bank (EIH) via the German Central Bank and the State Bank of India. The procedure did not violate UN security council or European Union sanctions. With the end use for payments certificate provided by the State Bank of India, the US Treasury should have ben satisfied - the money was going toward payments for crude and not to facilitate Iran's nuclear program.

Nonetheless, pressure on German Chancellor Angela Merkel from the US mounted. "Treasury is concerned about recent reports that the German government authorized the use of EIH as a conduit for India's oil payments to Iran," the US government noted. "Treasury will continue to engage with both German and Indian authorities about this situation and will continue to work with all the allies to isolate EIH." On April 4, 2011, the US Treasury got its way. Germany broke the India-Iran link.

India then conjured up an arrangement with Turkey's Halkbank. Turkey, with deep economic ties with Iran, has abided by the 2010 security council restrictions but has refused the deeper US and European Union sanctions regime. The Turkish government owns a 75% stake in Halkbank, and has allowed it to be the conduit for countries like India to pay for Iranian oil. Mehmet Ozkan, who teaches international relations at the International University of Sarajevo, told me that Turkey is trying to develop an "independent line," following the UN sanctions but keeping itself apart from the harsher US and European Union sanctions.

Over the past year, US Treasury officials have visited Turkey to try and cut Turkey's links to Iran. Obama's December 31 tighter sanctions made it illegal for American firms to do business with those firms that dealt with Iran's Central Bank. Halkbank is relatively immune from the US financial system, and it is the main financial intermediary for the Turkish refiner Tupras. Nonetheless, as E Ahmet Tonak who teaches political economy at Istanbul Bilgi University told me, Halkbank had to accede to the strong US pressure, particularly after a US Treasury team visited Turkey in the past few weeks.

[gakakkad]

I agree with everything you said but you must also remember that most wars are started for profit and greed. There would be lot of people in US who would benefit immensely if Israel and Iran fight a war. These people would be the market makers of War. It happened before and there is no reason why it wont happen again.

Yup .. thats my theory from the start . The head wahabites have always been close to the US . TSP , saudi arabia and amreeka have been running the racket in partnership .

I am reading reports about the Bangkok blast. Iranian identifying documents were found with the bomber. Now would Iran be idiotic enough to leave such a paper trail ?

[pgbhat]

Israel to "settle the score" for Bangkok attack

JERUSALEM - An Israeli Cabinet minister says his country will "settle the score" with the perpetrators of a bombing attempt in Bangkok.

An Iranian man carrying grenades blew his own legs off in the blast. Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Tuesday the explosion, which wounded four civilians, was an attempted terrorist attack backed by Iran.

Israel has also blamed Iran for a pair of attacks on Israeli diplomatic targets in India and Georgia on Monday.

[bahdada]

To be blunt, ****** Isreal and ****** the US. Any faint hope the US would help tackle the Pakistan problem is gone; their stated policy is now to leave Afghanistan even earlier than expected and hand over victory to the Taliban. US has no problem giving Pakistan its "strategic depth" and letting Afghanistan go right back to where it was before 9/11, leaving us holding the bag. Soon the drone strikes and other ops in Pakistan will be a distant memory and the RAPE\jihadis will have kissed and made up. We, India, will face the combined might of the entire Pak jihadi machine, newly unified and rejuvenated, and backed by a Pakistani military loaded with high-tech weaponry courtesy Uncle Sam.

The last 10 years have been a complete wash in terms of what the US has done for our neighborhood. Frankly, we were better off before they came here.

As for Isreal, if we can deal with a Pakistani islamic bomb then they can damn well learn to live with a nuclear Iran. Isreal has never given us any real backing against Pakistan; they certainly never had a problem with Islamabad acquiring nukes because they were aimed at us dirty brownies and not the oh-so precious Jews, whose lives are worth so much more than the lives of any other people on earth.

I see now reason we should wreck our own economy by cutting off Iranian oil exports just to placate the Isrealis, much less the United States.

Calm down Francis.

[sunnydee]

As for Isreal, if we can deal with a Pakistani islamic bomb then they can damn well learn to live with a nuclear Iran. Isreal has never given us any real backing against Pakistan; they certainly never had a problem with Islamabad acquiring nukes because they were aimed at us dirty brownies and not the oh-so precious Jews, whose lives are worth so much more than the lives of any other people on earth.

I see now reason we should wreck our own economy by cutting off Iranian oil exports just to placate the Isrealis, much less the United States.

1. Who has suggested we cut off Iranian oil supplies even if they conducted the attacks on indian soil ?
2. Israel is a strategic partner for us in terms of improving our defence capability etc To suggest that we are "brownies" and thats why they have ignored us is pretty offensive thinking.

[ramana]

gkakkad, Please edit you post and remove off color language.

[gakakkad]

gkakkad, Please edit you post and remove off color language.

done saar. had 48 hours of CCU posting.. still feeling drowsy , hence the off colored language .

[ramana]

How was the attack in Tibsli, thwarted? Did anyone know the timing of both attacks in GMT maybe?

There seems to be a difference in the attacks.

The one in Tibsli was detected by the Embassy staffer and defused and disposed off by the local police.

The one in Delhi exploded within minutes of implanting the device.


Was the Tibsli attack earlier in the day than the Delhi one?

Maybe the attackers didn't want to take chances of delay in the Delhi attack?

Common thread is both cars were on way or returning from picking up children to school.

From the article posted from daily beast, the Tibsli attack and thwarting occured earlier in the day. I think the Delhi attack was done hurriedly. They wanted to ensure it did explode unlike in Tibsli.

Also there are different accounts of how many riders on the motorcycle? One or Two?

Also Israelis should have alerted after the Tibsli attempt.

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GK, No problem. Some others get disheartened.

[A_Gupta]

From the atimes article cited above:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/NB15Df02.html

In a major speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington on February 6,India's Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai noted, "Iran is our near neighbor, our only surface access to Central Asia and Afghanistan, and constitutes a declining but still a significant share of our oil imports. For us, there are also broader and long-term geostrategic concerns that are no different from what we face elsewhere in the Asia-Pacific region. Our relationship with Iran is neither inconsistent with our non-proliferation objectives, nor is it in contradiction with the relationships that we have with our friends in West Asia or with the United States and Europe."

The US sees these trade relations as deeply troubling. The US is eager to make the Iranian sanctions a test of friendship with its allies. US State Department spokesperson Nuland said last week, "We are working with countries around the world, including India, that maintain strong oil relationships with Iran, encouraging all of them to reduce their dependence on Iranian crude."

The India-Iran deal is near completion. How the attack on the Israeli embassy car in New Delhi will impact on this is anyone's guess. Parochial political agendas once more threaten to interrupt a very important quest, which is to create trust and interdependence across the Asian continent and defuse any tensions that might lead to war. The sanctions regime is a fool's paradise, undermining the fuel paradise that Iran and India have sought to construct.

Emphasis added above, to make a point from history
http://academic.marion.ohio-state.edu/v ... gemony.pdf
"Beyond Western Hegemonies"

The original and most enduring source of Western power in Asia has been the capacity of Western states to disrupt the complex organization that linked Asian societies to one another within and across jurisdictional and civilizational divides. This capacity has been rooted in Western advances in military technology on the one side, and in the vulnerability of Asian societies to the military disruption of their mutual trade on the other side.

[A_Gupta]

Missed this:
http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/indian- ... blast.html

Indian investigators are first rate. Based on the modus operandi, their initial thesis is that the attack was the work of the “Indian Mujahidin” group. It had used a similar remote controlled sticky bomb, placed by a motorcyclist, in an attack on Taiwanese tourists outside the Jama Masjid cathedral mosque in 2010. IM is a Sunni group, not connected to Iran, and doesn’t like Shiite Muslims (Iranians are Shiites). IM like other Sunni radicals support the Palestinians and they are unhappy with increasingly close ties between India and Israel.

[A_Gupta]

http://www.asianage.com/india/attack-si ... -blast-437

Officials associated with the investigations claim if the similarities between the two incidents as any indication to go by, then the possibility of an Indian Mujahideen module being behind the blast cannot be ruled out.
Another similarity between the two incidents is that on both occasions foreigners have been targeted. While it was Taiwanese at Jama Masjid, it is Israeli diplomat on Monday. The strategy clearly was to embarrass India at a global level in both the cases.

[svinayak]

Emphasis added above, to make a point from history
http://academic.marion.ohio-state.edu/v ... gemony.pdf
"Beyond Western Hegemonies"

The original and most enduring source of Western power in Asia has been the capacity of Western states to disrupt the complex organization that linked Asian societies to one another within and across jurisdictional and civilizational divides. This capacity has been rooted in Western advances in military technology on the one side, and in the vulnerability of Asian societies to the military disruption of their mutual trade on the other side.

Very good quote. Also in the last 100 years the advances in communication was with the advantage to the western power which was used to control the new countries in asia.

THey could disrupt the trade links and the communication links which was existing and then dominate the seas first and then the geo graphic land mass.
With this they controlled the region/states and kingdoms.

Also by creating a monopoly in trade they controlled the economy for a long time

[gakakkad]

on a related note Avigdor Lieberman , the Israeli foreign minister does not get along well with Mossad .

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/li ... bled=false

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman met on Sunday with Mossad chief Tamir Pardo in a bid to end the crisis between the two men which culminated last week with Lieberman's order to sever ties between the foreign ministry and the Mossad.

One might recall Lieberman as the same nut head who wanted to blow up the Aswan dam .

[ramana]

Missed this:
http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/indian- ... blast.html

Indian investigators are first rate. Based on the modus operandi, their initial thesis is that the attack was the work of the “Indian Mujahidin” group. It had used a similar remote controlled sticky bomb, placed by a motorcyclist, in an attack on Taiwanese tourists outside the Jama Masjid cathedral mosque in 2010. IM is a Sunni group, not connected to Iran, and doesn’t like Shiite Muslims (Iranians are Shiites). IM like other Sunni radicals support the Palestinians and they are unhappy with increasingly close ties between India and Israel.

Most likely the Tibsli attack and Delhi attack are not connected.

The Delhi attack could be related to the Kerala caper. When those Israelis were deported the IM paniced and executed this attack. Recall that DCH and Tawahur Rana were often visiting Kerala. So who knows what was unearthed by those expelled.

Two links:

Delhi blast:IM link being probed


and

IM hand seen in Delhi blast


Wonder what Doggy Singh has to say?

[shyamd]

Israeli team arrived and has commenced work on the case. Every IRanian is under the scanner. MHA is busy sifting through all the recent iranians that entered. Blanket surveillance in Paharganj.

[Sanku]

Israeli team arrived and has commenced work on the case. Every IRanian is under the scanner. MHA is busy sifting through all the recent iranians that entered. Blanket surveillance in Paharganj.

JFYI. this stuff is also all over Indian TV, and has been for last 4 hours.

Just in case you were getting it from other sources.

[shyamd]

Sanku, are you jealous I get info from other sources?

JFYI, I didn't claim that they were from my sources, I posted it to stimulate discussion.

[Singha]

2 Iranians have been arrested in Bangkok and another is on the run.
the roof of a house they had rented got blown up by explosives they were preparing.
when people gave chase, one tried to throw a bomb but ended up blowing his legs up.
two bombs also went off.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... egs-685060

[Pranav]

The original and most enduring source of Western power in Asia has been the capacity of Western states to disrupt the complex organization that linked Asian societies to one another within and across jurisdictional and civilizational divides. This capacity has been rooted in Western advances in military technology on the one side, and in the vulnerability of Asian societies to the military disruption of their mutual trade on the other side.

It is always brute force that is the basis of such interventions.

Another truism is that you can be weaker than your prey, taken collectively. But as long as the prey don't organize themselves, you are OK. The key to this is not having all the prey realize at the same time that they are prey.

See how the the Gulf Sheikhdoms are behaving today.

[bahdada]

Time to pull out the "non state actors' schtick by the Iranians. Or they might have enough false flag morons here and abroad to actually pin this on Mossad and MEK.

[Singha]

Top thai official says same type of magnetic sheet used in bkk blast as in del

[gakakkad]

Israel's Mossad, Shin Bet failed to identify Iran terror plot

Israeli papers are already assuming an Iranian hand in these . Anyway like the above article the most of the Israeli press is only whining.