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Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 11:09
by Nihat
As is said "Peace is all about having a bigger stick than your enemy" and this holds true for everyone , be it Chinese threat, Paki Jihad or Naxals.
CRPF and State Police just don't seem to scare the Naxals enough. Unless and until we start paying them in kind with ambushes, mass extermination and instill the fear of imminent death in them , the Naxals will look to fight back.
Had state police fought insurgencies in N-E and J&K, one can only imagine what would have happened by now.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 11:33
by sugriva
A Roy doing what she does best, spinning on behalf of the maovandalists...
please delete if posted earlier
http://giffenman-miscellania.blogspot.c ... oists.html
PS : Also some lahori logic
It's convenient to forget that tribal people in Central India have a history of resistance that predates Mao by centuries. (That's a truism of course. If they didn't, they wouldn't exist.)
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 11:56
by AjayKK
Some articles from ET
Attention civil rights alarmists! These men too were poor, had families
THEIR mobile phones and laptops would have been on fire had the police managed some success in neutralising the Maoists. Civil rights alarmists would have promptly taken to air-conditioned seminar halls had the police made the average citizen feel a bit more secure. But not a peep was heard from them after Naxalites murdered 75 men in uniform in Chhattisgarh’s Dantewada.
The silence of the bleeding hearts, who populate liberal enclaves of the metropolis, is not surprising as they consider law enforcement a reckless institution and dub calls for security as politically incorrect arrogance. It is only a matter of time before they regroup to attack the government for “radicalising the poor and oppressed tribals of Chhattisgarh”.
To be fair to them, they have been consistent in their approach toward Maoist violence. When Naxalites burn down schools and hospitals or RDX strapped men wreak fatwa-attuned havoc in the hinterland, civil rights activists look the other way. But when police round up a few men for questioning from areas in the vicinity of attacked areas, they carry out copbashing crusades through the media and college campuses. For them, sensitivity is more important than security.
The home ministry is also having to face some resistance from the enablers of the civil society alarmists in Congress’ own ranks for its plans to counter Naxals. There have been reports that Ajit Jogi has been putting pressure on the Congress leadership against a ‘bellicose’ response to the Maoist problem.
KPS Gill - EX-ADVISOR, CHHATTISGARH : Operation Green Hunt Flawed In Concept, Responses Worse
THIS current operation is flawed in overall concept and detail. It predicates itself that you can go to the forest and find Naxals. But Naxals cannot be disposed off in the manner of a hunt. They do not operate in that manner; they do not engage and they vanish. Responses have to emerge out of the overall concept. Operation Green Hunt is flawed in concept and therefore its responses are even more flawed, that is why incidents like the one that took place on Tuesday keeps recurring.
In Tuesday’s incident, the CRPF was returning after days of patrolling; they were carrying heavy loads, which would have drained them off especially in the heat of Chhattisgarh. At 6:30 am, they were probably engaged in their morning ablutions, when they were ambushed. The vehicle sent to rescue them, the anti-mine raker is wrongly termed; it should be called the certain death raker as time and again they have failed in a mine explosion.
If you carry out operations in this manner then you are an idiot. In carrying out largescale operation against Naxals, you have to adopt tactics unique to the situation. There has to be an equivalence between danger and response which has to be constant and continuous. There is an advantage in operating with a force that is less bogged down by set procedures and knows the terrain.
As for the state police, its total strength in Bastar is about 3,500 policemen. There has been an effort to increase the strength. The recruitment has been into battalions, which doesn’t have fixed deployments, and when deployed it is for short period which is not enough to acquaint themselves with the local area. You can’t cover a vast area immediately and simultaneously. There needs to be a considered decision. But that is not happening at all.
PRAKASH SINGH EX-BSF CHIEF : Standard Procedures Not Followed; CRPF Casual & Nonchalant
THREE factors could have led to the Dantewada incident.
First, lack of coordination and cooperation between the CRPF and the state police. There is a complete lack of understanding between the two — the state police complains about the central forces while the CRPF has reservation about the state police.
Second, if 1,000 Naxals were part of the attack, Chhattisgarh Police should have provided intelligence. There is enough information in the states, but the question is how much of the information is shared.
The third factor is complacency on the part of the CRPF; they did not follow standard operating procedures. It is a well-known fact that in these areas one should not take the beaten track. One is not supposed to use vehicles on the beaten track as it is mined, you must move on foot, as it is less dangerous. The maximum casualties happened due to the explosion. You can only blame the leader for this kind of a situation. Even home minister P Chidambaram said something had horribly gone wrong.
The CRPF was not following standard operating procedures; they were casual and nonchalant. The problem is that there is a tendency to opt for the easy way. I have this uncomfortable feeling that one reason for this is the tremendous expansion of the CRPF. They have increased intake, and you can get manpower given the levels of unemployment. But you need to equip, train and motivate these men. The home ministry should see if the CRPF has the right training. You need to have preinduction training before sending them to the battlefield.
The state police should bear the brunt. In Punjab, the tide turned after the police took on the terrorists head on. The CRPF, the BSF and the Indian Army play a supporting role. The state police are sons of soil; they know the terrain, the language. They must be motivated, given training and the right kind of equipment. The state police need to be raised to a level to take the Naxals head on. West Bengal, Jharkhand and Bihar have been lukewarm; they have been reluctant partners. The CRPF when deployed gets battalion from all over, and they have no knowledge of the terrain or the local language.
Link
Has Gill stopped advising the state and if so why ?
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 12:06
by Stan_Savljevic
Guys, can I just drop in and make a point?
He had claimed that government agencies were on the trail of the CPI (Maoist) central committee and had arrested eight of its 45 members and killed 22 others.
So that makes it 15-18 politbureau members. FYI, Know your Maoists...
1) Mupalla Laxman Rao alias Ganapathi -- General Secretary and Gen Sec of PWG
2) Mallojula Koteswar Rao alias Kishenji alias Pradip alias Prahlad -- Eastern India "commander"
3) Prasanta Bose alias Kishanda -- second in command and Gen Sec of MCC, heads the outfit’s operations in Orissa, Jharkhand, Bihar, West Bengal and Assam (Eastern Regional Bureau)
4) Nambala alias Vasavraj alias Basab Raj -- chief of the armed wing
5) Nambala Keshav Rao alias Gangana
6) Mallojula Venugopal Rao alias Vivek -- Kishenji's brother, controls a Chattisgarh unit
7) Kathakam Sudershan alias Anand alias Mohan alias Birenderji -- Vasavaraj's deputy
8 ) Cherkuri Rajakumar alias Uday alias Azad -- Vasavaraj's other deputy and spokesperson of CPI(M)
9) Rajesh Da -- unknown role
10) Misir Besra alias Sunirmal -- member of Maoist Central Military Commission (CMC), escaped when taken out of court on June 23, 2009
11) Tusharkant Bhattacharyya -- released from jail on Nov 19, 2009 due to lack of evidence
Here are some of the catches in the last one year....
1) Satyendra Kushwaha alias Naresh alias Dadan -- arrested Feb 25, 2009
2) Patel Sudhakar Reddy alias Suryam alias Vikas alias Srikanth -- killed May 24, 2009
3) Amitabha Bagchi alias Anil, founder of the erstwhile CPI(ML)-Party Unity -- arrested Aug 19, 2009
4) Tauhild Mula alias Kartik -- arrested Aug 19, 2009
5) Kobad Ghandy -- arrested Sept 22, 2009
6) Balraj alias Arvind -- arrested Feb 8, 2010
7) Banshidhar alias Chintan Da alias Banshidhar Singh -- arrested Feb 8, 2010
I may not necessarily be liked for saying this, hold on folks..... The maoists are getting cooked, even though we have temporary setbacks. Just hold on....
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 12:16
by Rahul M
^^^
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/free-leader- ... 022-3.html
Venkateshwar Reddy alias Telugu Deepak was arrested by the CID in Kolkata following a tip-off on March 3.
He is said to have planned the attack in Sildha on February 15, which left 24 jawans of the Eastern Frontier Rifles (EFR) dead. The Maoist leader is believed to be from Andhra Pradesh.
Police say Deepak was in charge of Naxal operations in West Bengal, and that he is close to the the dreaded Naxal leader Koteshwar Rao alias Kishenji.
They have also demanded the release of other political prisoners along with Telugu Deepak.
Telugu Deepak's arrest adds to the list of key Maoist leaders who have been put behind bars since 2008 when Poliburo member Pramod Mishra was arrested in Jharkhand followed by Amit Bagchi in August 2009 another Politburo member Kobad gandhy was arrested in September 2009 from Delhi and yet another Bajraj was nabbed in Kanpur recently in february this year
CPI-Maoist central committee members Ashutosh and Amar were also arrested in 2009
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 12:17
by vera_k
^^^
What is the caste breakup for these folks?
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 12:27
by ASPuar
Hard to tell, but a Bhattacharya is a bengali brahmin.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 12:55
by Stan_Savljevic
Dont know about caste breakup, but most of the top folks who need neutralization are either from Telengana or WB. Quite a few of them are well-educated, most of them are in their 40s to 50s. Neutralizing the top 10 in the above pack of cards will be like a body blow to the maoist cabal. The rest of the lot are mainly gullible cannon-fodder in the game for some perceived victimisation by the "state." Get the top 10, and its like the ulfa victory. Puts an early end to the mess....
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 13:09
by Philip
We are suffering on all fronts security wise,because there is no combined strategy for the defence of India,from internal and external threats.The asinine, power hungry babus of the IAS brigade,have very cleverly compartmentalised the security services not allowing them to interact where even the service chiefs cannot meet/speak to the PM without babudom's nod! We now have the new "interlocutor",if one may call him,never to be found during the days of Mrs.G.,Pandit Nehru or lovable little Lal Bahadur,the NSA.During the tenure of the last incumbent,"Mike",the country's security plummeted to its lowest ever depths with 26/11.Our current NSA is more diplomatic than militaristic.
Thus,the Naxal threat to India is dismissed as merely a "policing" problem.
Tell that to Pres.Rajapakse or ex-Pres.Chandrika (who lost an eye to an LTTE suicide attack) of Sri Lanka.When the LTTE was in its infancy,it was also regarded as a "police" problem.Initially the victims of the LTTE were mostly policemen,but before you could say "jack-rabbit",it had graduated into assassinating ministers,prime ministers and presidents! This is what is inevitable for us too with the Naxal menace.If we go back not too long ago in time,an AP CM escaped a naxal land mine blast.We could even in future,see a female suicide bomber (just as an example),let's call her Ms.A.Roy,a hard core naxal sympathiser who can enter any door of power,sidling upto to a top VVIP and blasting him or her to bits!
Now dealing with such an outfit,who like the LTTE know their terrain very well,get local support both from genuine help and also from those too scared to resist,and you have a civil war in the making.It has to be stopped dead in its tracks right now and the only way to do so is to call upon ALL the services and para-military forces of the country in working out a grand strategy,that should also encompass political moves,diplomatic moves to punish nations that are supplying weapons to these murderers and military planning at macro and micro levels.There is a huge amount of current data available on urban and rural/jungle warfare from Iraq to Afghanistan.In addition,India has a rich experience of dealing with such outfits from J&K,Punjab to the N-East.The maximum casualties come from land mines and IEDs.WE now know which vehicles can withstand such blasts thanks to the US/NATO experience.No more sub-standard eqpt. like Katare's so-called "bullet proof vest" for our gallant paras and jawans.
Above all,a holistic approach tactically should be drawn up with the IA's help.The police and CRPF are hopelessly out of their depth here.Where they score is on local (police) intel,which is absolutely essential.Lastly,we should use maximum force including air power to defeat this nest of vipers.Could with a transparent national policy on tribal welfare and development of tribal areas where they benefit the maximum,will go a long way in derailing the insidious fifth-columnists,agent-provocateurs and foreign funded NGOs of the AR brigade,who have already sold their souls to extraneous anti-national forces for "thirty pieces of silver".A combined military-political grand strategy must be implemented immediately and the current dispensation should take the opposition into its confidence as this is a national criosis not a simple "law and order " problem that requires merely a "party" ,politicised approcach.
As for the leadership of the Naxals,one must not forget their sympathisers who wish to turn them into heroes.A concerted effort should be made to strip them of their pretences and posturing through a media "war" campaign and show them to be what they realy are,traiitors.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 13:19
by ASPuar
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/hyderaba ... ration-161
Prabhat faces heat for botched operation
April 7th, 2010
DC Correspondent
Hyderabad, April 6: The Central Reserve Police Force DIG, Mr Nalin Prabahat, IPS, is now under the scanner for sending his men for a combing operation in a Naxal stronghold of Chhattisgarh without coordinating with the local police.
Mr Prabhat, who belongs to the Andhra Pradesh Cadre of the Indian Police Service, joined his new post only six days ago.
Top sources said that Chhattisgarh police had informed the ministry of home affairs that they were unaware of the movements of CRPF men in their locality.
“Prabhat is now blamed for his decision to send troops based at Chintalnar camp to Tadimetla for a 72-hour operation without informing the Chhattisgarh police,” said a senior officer. “There is an attempt to pass the buck though this is not fair as he took over only six days ago.”
The CRPF men who died in Dantewada did not belong to CoBRA (Commando Battalion for Resolute Action) units familiar with guerilla warfare and failed to anticipate or thwart the surprise attack by Naxals.
“They were actually trained for law and order duties,” said the officer. “If they were CoBRAs there would have been good retaliation,” the senior officer added.
In Andhra Pradesh, the CRPF is used only for protection of police camps and stations, and area domination. “They have never been used for combing,” said the senior cop. “But in Chhattisgarh, the CRPF has operational freedom.”
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 16:50
by Muppalla
Stan_Savljevic wrote:Dont know about caste breakup, but most of the top folks who need neutralization are either from Telengana or WB. Quite a few of them are well-educated, most of them are in their 40s to 50s. Neutralizing the top 10 in the above pack of cards will be like a body blow to the maoist cabal. The rest of the lot are mainly gullible cannon-fodder in the game for some perceived victimisation by the "state." Get the top 10, and its like the ulfa victory. Puts an early end to the mess....
Though technically they are from Telangana, substantial part of the leadership is actually coastal AP origin. I can tell from the last names. Regarding caste breakup though it is difficult in the current time period, the guess per intel is that leadership consists of Kamma and Reddy folks. Most of foot soldiers are dalits.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 17:23
by Gerard
Troopers scared to enter forest after Maoist ambush
"The Tuesday attack has rattled the entire police force engaged in the anti-Maoist operation and they are now reluctant to enter the landmine protected jungle terrain". "It's easy for everyone to dictate to us from New Delhi and Raipur sitting in air-conditioned chambers, but here the situation is completely hostile because Maoists rule the roost in jungles. The forces in Bastar now need urgent motivation," a police officer based in Dantewada said on phone.
There is no 'Operation Green Hunt': Chidambaram
"It is a media creation and continues till date," Gill said.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 18:31
by SwamyG
stan saar: orru question. Does Naxalism/Maoism not attract Muslims and Christians?
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 18:46
by yvijay
Stan garu,
I don't see Ramakrisha in you list. He used to state committee secretary and important member in the central committee. He was the one who conductd talks with congress government in 2004- 2005 and used to above Ganapathi and Patel Sudhakar Reddy in hierarchical order. Although I didn't hear much about him recent days.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 18:46
by SwamyG
I did not read it entirely, looked at the pictures. Wow, they are kids. So easy to manipulate impressionable kids when the blood is still hot. Like Stan saar says, hopefully taking out the top leaders will motivate them to drop their guns and entrench them into non-violent means. But then the question turns to the development and progress issues that several BRFites have touched upon. On one hand understanding the regions problems is a must to usher in development that helps them; on the other hand it will take some good management to convince them some of the activities that GoI does is for the welfare of the people and nation. For example some of them oppose dam constructions, why?
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 18:48
by yvijay
Muppalla wrote:
Though technically they are from Telangana, substantial part of the leadership is actually coastal AP origin. I can tell from the last names. Regarding caste breakup though it is difficult in the current time period, the guess per intel is that leadership consists of Kamma and Reddy folks. Most of foot soldiers are dalits.
As far as I know, atleast the AP maoist leadership mainly consisted of brahmins and then reddy and kamma folks.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 19:02
by Philip
The view from the "Straits".
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNew ... 11509.html
EXcerpt:
INDIA'S Maoists, reeling from a coordinated government crackdown, hit back with tremendous ferocity yesterday, killing at least 75 paramilitary forces in the dense jungles of central India.
'Something seems to have gone very wrong. They seem to have walked into a trap,' Home Minister P. Chidambaram said in New Delhi. 'I am deeply shocked. This shows the savage nature of the Maoists and the brutality they are capable of.'
The attack, the third by Maoists in four days, is a huge blow to Mr Chidambaram, who has sought to concentrate intelligence and security powers with his ministry in a turf war with the office of the National Security Adviser, who is part of the Prime Minister's establishment
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 19:14
by Pranay
As the postmortem on this massacre begins.... any word of casualties on the Maoists in this "encounter"???
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 20:41
by Rahul M
ASPuar wrote:Hard to tell, but a Bhattacharya is a bengali brahmin.
so is bagchi but caste plays little role in WB politics of any hue.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 21:26
by Gerard
SwamyG wrote:on the other hand it will take some good management to convince them some of the activities that GoI does is for the welfare of the people and nation. For example some of them oppose dam constructions, why?
why?
”Big Dams started well, but have ended badly. There was a time when everybody loved them, everybody had them – the Communists, Capitalists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists. There was a time when Big Dams moved men to poetry. Not any longer. All over the world there is a movement growing against Big Dams. In the First World they’re being de-commissioned, blown up. The fact that they do more harm than good is no longer just conjecture. Big Dams are obsolete. They’re uncool. They’re undemocratic. They’re a Government’s way of accumulating authority (deciding who will get how much water and who will grow what where). They’re a guaranteed way of taking a farmer’s wisdom away from him. They’re a brazen means of taking water, land and irrigation away from the poor and gifting it to the rich. Their reservoirs displace huge populations of people, leaving them homeless and destitute. Ecologically, they’re in the doghouse. They lay the earth to waste. They cause floods, water-logging, salinity, they spread disease. There is mounting evidence that links Big Dams to earthquakes.”
The Greater Common Good
By Arundhati Roy
BTW
Big dams and protests in India: A study of Hirakud Dam
http://www.indiaenvironmentportal.org.i ... irakud-dam
This article examines the movement against the construction of the Hirakud dam in Orissa.
It is evident that the domestic resistance to the project was variously compromised by nationalist rhetoric, imperatives of state development and absence of transnational support.
Author(s): Arun Kumar Nayak
Date: Jan 2010
Source: Economic and Political Weekly Vol: 45 Issue: 2 pp: 69-73
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 21:35
by vera_k
Rahul M wrote:ASPuar wrote:Hard to tell, but a Bhattacharya is a bengali brahmin.
so is bagchi but caste plays little role in WB politics of any hue.
I asked because the Maovadis go after the Hindutvavadis for being led by upper castes. That doesn't seem like a genuine complaint now.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 21:38
by SwamyG
Thanks, Gerard. There seems to be an interesting book in books.google.com
Technology and social transformation - The case of the Hirakund..... Unfortunately it is limited preview. It lists several drawbacks of constructing the large dams.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 21:38
by bhavani
I really wonder why does all the top leadership of maoists come from Andhra. Andhra was able to supress it to a lot of extent. It has spread a lot to other states. I am also from Andhra. Back in the day my dad used to say that really educated guys would get recruited into naxalites. Now that YSR is gone, they might do a come back in AP and Karnataka also.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 21:47
by Rangudu
Not sure we can call it an Andhra phenomenon. It's more a Telengana thing. I have some relatives hailing from that region and every other family has some guy or another attracted to the Naxal "cause" at some point in their lives.
BTW, lefty media justification attempts aside, it is important for us to understand the correlation between backward, underdeveloped parts of otherwise prosperous states/kingdoms and lefty "movements".
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 22:40
by bhavani
Whan i meant Andhra i meant whole of current AP. I am not yet used to refering seperately.
There have been lot of naxalites from Srikakulam and eastern Andhra region also. But with rising education and income levels, the movement has lost its strength in this region. Now all these guys do is extrat money from liquor contractors, builders and pass thier time in small hotels in the region and some leaders are said to be in mumbai and other areas.
Now the current structure of these naxal gangs is they rotate units.
Provide 3-4 months of service in the forest and then live for 8 months in a city under all eminities and then back to service. Nobody is full time and ofcourse the eminities and length of service changes with seniority.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 22:46
by svinayak
Rangudu wrote:Not sure we can call it an Andhra phenomenon. It's more a Telengana thing. I have some relatives hailing from that region and every other family has some guy or another attracted to the Naxal "cause" at some point in their lives.
BTW, lefty media justification attempts aside, it is important for us to understand the correlation between backward, underdeveloped parts of otherwise prosperous states/kingdoms and lefty "movements".
That is the class warfare which was understood by the British and they exploited it for spreading communism
Exploitation by the Nizam gave rise to major recruitment to communist activity in that area more than any other area.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 07 Apr 2010 22:52
by yvijay
bhavani wrote:I really wonder why does all the top leadership of maoists come from Andhra. Andhra was able to supress it to a lot of extent. It has spread a lot to other states. I am also from Andhra. Back in the day my dad used to say that really educated guys would get recruited into naxalites. Now that YSR is gone, they might do a come back in AP and Karnataka also.
Bhavani,
The leadership is from Andhra because, until last decade naxalism was mostly active in Andhra and may be Bihar. Sometime in this decade, naxals from Andhra combined with other leftist outfits and became Maoists. And most of the leadership from Andhra formed the core of the maoist central committee.
I don’t think they’ll make a comeback in AP. People now have something to look forward economically which was not the case before.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 00:18
by Stan_Savljevic
Swamyg, there are quite a few christian and muslim red-folks, even if the self-loathing brahmin-lites, of whom there are a ton, do attract my attention quite a bit. Check out how the Phillipines red-folk have been helpful to our thugs and how the Manipur-based Karbi front of UPDS (see Namrata Goswami's latest brief on the status in Manipur at the idsa website) and the NSCN (both the IM and K factions) have been the ones ready and willing to truck around with the maoists. I can only think of a fire-fly analogy here, may just be a gross overgeneralization, but coincidences are harder to ignore. The pan-fissiparous commonalities are there for all to observe, but we are a country where we talk less, even when we are right. Fck, we are ultra-defensive everywhere, throw the 40s generation to history and bring on the next one to take over power.
I dont see the Marxist-Leninist and the Marxist versions as any different from that of the Maoist ilk. Maoists are just CPI(ML) v2.0 and CPM v3.0. At the end of the day, all these different brands have a same common theme, with the main difference being in the operatic command and tenor. The CPM and CPI (Maoist) use the same terminologies as do the CCP of FSU and the CCCP. And none of these terminologies have changed from EP&W literature of the 50s, from what I can dig on jstor.
yvijay, Ramakrishna is still on the loose. And when Shakhamuri Appa Rao was neutralized recently, there were some reports about how close Ramakrishna might have been. There were also close shaves on Azad and Kishen, the rat, very recently. It is only a matter of time before these pigs meet their jannat. I just googled and figured that the then HM Janardhan Reddy was responsible for drawing back the Greyhounds off the chase when Ramakrishna was cornered in circa 2004. And he got paid back nicely when he escaped an assassination attempt after that. Why are the overgaandus such as Gautam Navlakha, Rona Wilson, Varavara Rao, Gaddar, Arundhati Roy, Medha Patkar, Aruna Roy, Mahasweta Devi, Prashant Bhushan, etc. not being arrested under UAPA? After all, the maoists are a proscribed organization under UAPA. I am just confused by the response of GoI, especially when the MHA has been claiming that LWE is the gravest threat to India for the last three years now. Everyone who goes to satp knows the statistics of LWE casualties and those on NE and J&K.
In Jharkhand, WB and Bihar, the official machinery itself is uncooperative in fighting the LWE trouble. Why not use A356, what is that for, plucking flowers? A356 has been used for far lighter circumstances, even if Hon. SC verdict can be challenged with official statistics on LWE casualties very easily by the Sol. Gen. It is not like GoI is a kid on the block, it has been there, done that, in Punjab, Mizoram, Nagaland, etc. Wtf is it waiting for, beats me.... The khalistani nonsense could have been wiped out much earlier if folks did what they did at the right time. Till the GoI machinery goes bonkers, innocent folk are going to die just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. And the maoists know it, it is only a matter of time before these oiseaules are neutralized, for everyone who matters, the ending is clear. Some of the maoist material is rather clear on the bleakness of the fights, etc. Why this game and dance then, both from the maoist side and GoI side, beats me real bad.... I am just confused by the Janus-faced behavior of GoI, fck the maoists who have been Hydra-assed for ever since birth.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 00:18
by Kati
Having some first hand knowledge about naxalism/naxalites/naxal parties, let me put my humble two paise. But not going to toe madam A Roy.
1. No amount of "crushing blow" to the maoists by the center in terms of CRPF/BSF/EFR will solve the problem.
2. No matter how many times the green (or blue or yellow) hunt is launched, it is NOT going to subdue the maoists. In fact each such hunt helps maoists increase their strength.
3. Interestingly, (which the naxalites themselves find it amazing) there is a nice blend of leadership drawn from AP, Orissa and WB - all from the coastal region. It is said that it
is not the state where they are hailing from (or the mother tongue they use), it is the
coastal (or riverine) area that gives a common mould. The leaders from this coastal areas (including places like Kolkata, Warrangle, Vizag, etc) have been the main brain behind the naxalite movements.
4. By the way, naxalites/maoists also read this BRF regularly (or at least their media cells),
and hence it is better not to discuss any possible strategy openly here to combat them. I'll just leave one hint: maoists biggest strengths are also their biggest weaknesses. These
weaknesses need to be exploited to combat the Red Menace.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 00:23
by Kati
Stan-ji,
could you please be more specific about Rona Wilson - a little more background? Some how the name rings a bell. Thanx a lot.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 00:45
by Stan_Savljevic
Rona Wilson alongwith Gautam Navlakha (who recently donned a major role in rediff by interviewing Kishen, the rat) are among the few people chargesheeted as being overgaandus in the Kobad Gandhy case by the Delhi Police. When someone like Prashant Bhushan can bat for such folks, such chargesheets can get pulled over by the bubble-gum legal process that is India. If UAPA was dumped on these folks, they could have been tapped for info in the narrow crevices of Tihar. Now we have such stalwarts printing their verbiage in outlook and what not.
The CPI (Maoist) cabal do have a good IT connectivity. Whatever blogs get blocked, a new one is up sooner than people think somuchso GoI has stopped even blocking such sites these days. Lenin Raghuvanshi was the last case I remember reading, who was arrested for being a overgaandu in this matter. If only GoI's propagandu machinery would perform as good as the Nehru family's, we could all laugh our way to glory.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 01:07
by yvijay
Stanji, Somebody higher up in the order than Jana reddy might have given the order for the grey hounds to back off when he was surrounded. All these overground people like varavara rao, gadar etc were banging on Jana reddy’s doors for that, but the decision might came from high command.
Also, after the naxals joined with other outfits to form maiosts, they seemed to have become sophisticated in their attacks. Before that most of the police casualties used to be from land mine blasts or from attacks on the vulnerable police station. In the firefights, police always used to come on the top almost with no casualties. Some of them may be fake encounters but, there used to no losses due to ambushes and such things.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 01:07
by Kati
Is it that #35 under Delhi list? Save the list for future references.
http://rdf-2005.blogspot.com/2008/01/me ... india.html
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 01:15
by Stan_Savljevic
Kati wrote:Is it that #35 under Delhi list? Save the list for future references.
Yes boss. Same fellow. Looks like the who's who of scumbags.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 01:36
by Prem Kumar
A small note regarding the name "Kishenji". It might be an attempt to hide his Andhra roots and endear himself to the Maoists in Jharkand, Bihar etc. I remember reading the Rediff article about how the Bastar Maoists feel the Andhra leadership are out to screw them out of their money.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 01:49
by RamaY
Flash News!
Maoists attack on Polampalli Base Camp in Andhra Pradesh!
Around 500 maoists surrounded the base camp. The encounter is in progress.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 01:58
by Gerard
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 02:16
by Kavu
I run a certain amount of establishments which cater to youth, The Hindu has been behind me back for the past 2 years to promote their Newspapers in my establishments, Thankfully and quite intelligently I have kept them at bay and provided The New Indian Express as alternative however imperfect they maybe. It is disgusting to see the The Hindu, which my father used to make me read to improve my English and known for its neutrality has now become the messengers for Traitors.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 02:40
by Yayavar
Kavu wrote:
I run a certain amount of establishments which cater to youth, The Hindu has been behind me back for the past 2 years to promote their Newspapers in my establishments, Thankfully and quite intelligently I have kept them at bay and provided The New Indian Express as alternative however imperfect they maybe. ....
Thanks Kavu! more power to you.
Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 08 Apr 2010 02:42
by Sriman
Vishwamitra wrote:Flash News!
Maoists attack on Polampalli Base Camp in Andhra Pradesh!
Around 500 maoists surrounded the base camp. The encounter is in progress.
Any more news on this?