Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 18 Dec 2010 19:06

BTW: Why do we paint our Flag and Country’s name is our missiles. None of P-5 powers do that..

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 18 Dec 2010 19:42

^ I think, we follow this tradition from our satellite launch programme.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 18 Dec 2010 20:12

vivek_ahuja wrote:
>>) if the missile has to maneuver and maintain the supersonic KE to be able to evade target defenses, then what range (surely less than 100km?) will it have?

I think, the range is restricted by Software rather than the fuel capacity. Pillai commented of placing fuel tank in the forward section(diffuser?) so left over fuel adds to the explosive effect. This can be seen in one of the Brahmos test video where a ship catches fire on impact. Yakhont is credited to have more range than 300 km. If i'm not hallucinating, the Brahmos missile body is more streamlined, probably increasing the internal volume.

From the understanding of Pillai's statement, I think, missile hits the target at Mach 3 only irrespective of the profile it was flown. When the ramjet kicks in the missile is in Mach 2 speed.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Dec 2010 21:13

dinesha wrote:BTW: Why do we paint our Flag and Country’s name is our missiles. None of P-5 powers do that..

So people know the name of the missile and the country of origin. And we are not P5 no?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Dec 2010 21:27

shiv wrote:True - and an interesting point. From the perspective of a ship, a fast flying sea skimming missile detected 30 km ..........At Mach 3 that missile will cover 10 km in 10 seconds. If you are in a fleet with other ships about - you cannot even be sure whom the missile is headed for. Imagine a salvo of two or three appearing from different directions and maneuvering into different positions - giving you 20 seconds warning.

Shiv , for a missile to do Mach 3 at sea skimming ( 15- 5 m ) they would probably need some exotic materials to manage the heat , AFAIK even Brahmos does M 1.5 at low level.

John · Post by **John** » 18 Dec 2010 22:05

Austin wrote:Shiv , for a missile to do Mach 3 at sea skimming ( 15- 5 m ) they would probably need some exotic materials to manage the heat , AFAIK even Brahmos does M 1.5 at low level.

Where'd you hear the that most of the info i have run across puts terminal speed at around 750 m/s. There is some information that missiles like Yakhont/Moskit actually accelerate prior to hitting their target, so their true engagement speed is unknown.

Terminal flight altitude of Yakhont missile is 10-15 meters above sea level, terminal velocity is 750 meters per second. Missile warhead delivers 200 kg explosives which blast within the target ensuring 100 per cent destruction of a target after the first hit.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Dec 2010 22:10

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John · Post by **John** » 18 Dec 2010 22:34

ashokpachori wrote:Best mechanism to deal with AshM is soft kill defenses, Israelies proved their effectiveness when they jammed 22 Styx missiles launched at their missile boats in Yom Kippur. True EW capabilities of USN is not fully published or understood, they have had Talos/MA-31 missile drone simulate Moskit for quite some time to test their missile defenses as well.

Soft kill and disabling technologies are still evolving. Yim kippur happened 4 decades ago, and where have Israelis reached on this? These are very complex technologies to master. Jamming devices are in vogue around, yet cruise missiles are kicking around. MA-31 that you are talking about is a Russian KA-31 imported (very few pcs) during clinton´s time, and US Navy was unable to shoot it down.

EW/ECM and Decoy suites have evolved a great deal since Yom Kippur that said keep in mind a missile is still limited by the space and power constraints. As for US Navy being unable to shoot down KH-31 with SM-2 MR they have been recitified . Plenty of vidoes on the net where ESSM/SM-2/RAM taking out variety of drones in testing. The one drawback with SM-2/ESSM is that they are semi active radar guided missiles so they are limited by the targeting horizon of the launch platform.

But Barak-8 shouldn't have those limitation and should work to try and integrate KA-31 and other AEW platforms, that way we can engage super sonic missiles 100 km away from P-15A destroyer for example.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Dec 2010 22:37

John wrote:Where'd you hear the that most of the info i have run across puts terminal speed at around 750 m/s. There is some information that missiles like Yakhont/Moskit actually accelerate prior to hitting their target, so their true engagement speed is unknown.

John from what I know Brahmos/Yakhont does a ~ M 1.5 at 10-15 m low level flight and ~ M 2.8 at high altitude ( 12 - 15 km ) , never heard of Yakhont or Moskit accelerating prior to hitting

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 19 Dec 2010 03:39

dinesha wrote:BTW: Why do we paint our Flag and Country’s name is our missiles. None of P-5 powers do that..

It is not only missiles.
Look at LCA.
LSP-5.

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 19 Dec 2010 03:43

Austin wrote:
John wrote:Where'd you hear the that most of the info i have run across puts terminal speed at around 750 m/s. There is some information that missiles like Yakhont/Moskit actually accelerate prior to hitting their target, so their true engagement speed is unknown.
John from what I know Brahmos/Yakhont does a ~ M 1.5 at 10-15 m low level flight and ~ M 2.8 at high altitude ( 12 - 15 km ) , never heard of Yakhont or Moskit accelerating prior to hitting

The missile's speed is Mach 2.3 at high altitude and Mach 1.5 at low altitude.

http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1725&catid=312

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 19 Dec 2010 07:04

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/12/s ... ssile.html

Agni Sakshi: Saluting the spirit of Indian missile scientists

OVER TO WHEELER ISLAND: The first five photos are taken on way to Wheeler Island, during the 5-hour road journey from Bhubaneswar airport to the Dhamra. To reach Wheeler Island -- the home of India's Launch Complex-4 -- one has to travel from Dhamra by sea. The time taken will purely depend upon the kind of boat you get in. A speedboat will take you to the island in 25 minutes, if not the journey might take over an hour. The last 2 photos are that of the sea seen from the Wheeler Island. The entire area (from Dhamra and in the island) is a very-high security zone with multiple checking and identity verifying points. Photos: Tarmak007

December 10, 2010 would have been a historic day for Indian missile scientists working with DRDO. After toiling hard -- day in and day out -- their moment of reckoning has just arrived. Sitting pretty on a home-grown launcher was India’s new missile Agni-II Prime, which insiders in DRDO confirmed could travel in excess of 3,000 km. Sadly, seconds after its lift-off, A2P plunged into the sea.

The Breaking News followed! Another failure for DRDO. Agni-II Prime fails. I was inside the Block Office (which houses the command and control centre), watching A2P being swallowed by the sea. There was complete silence inside the Block Office. The joy of seeing the missile lifting-off lasted only for a few seconds. Giving me company were some of the big newsmakers of India’s missile programs. And, then there were many unsung heroes. In their 20s, early 30s, late & mid 40s. This series (Agni Sakshi) on Tarmka007 is dedicated to these unsung heroes. Agni Sakshi is my attempt to bring to you some human-interest stories on Indian scientists, which is never told, before.
The mission and missile might be different. But the blood and sweat behind it often remains the same. That of the Indian scientist, who is often battered and butchered by many. What I saw in Wheeler Island was truly an inspiring stuff. Honestly, unbelievable! I am not sure by writing a series; I can do any justice to our missile scientists. I am not sure if the world will start looking at our scientists as true heroes and not as duds, a label they have got used to.

This is just an attempt to share with you all, what I saw. What I heard. And, what I experienced, off Orissa coast. I hope to wind up the series within a week. I am keen to keep the series simple and straight. Less take on technology and more meat on men and their might. Their plight.
This piece is just the trailer. The 5-part series will start on Monday, December 20.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Dec 2010 07:29

due to limited nos of brahmos we need to make full use of our AS30L, KH31 and KH59 inventory to strike high value targets at a distance from the air - albeit only M2K and MKI can fire these. the upg Mig29 might get this capability as well.

srai · Post by **srai** » 19 Dec 2010 07:52

Singha wrote:due to limited nos of brahmos we need to make full use of our AS30L, KH31 and KH59 inventory to strike high value targets at a distance from the air - albeit only M2K and MKI can fire these. the upg Mig29 might get this capability as well.

IAF does not have that many of the other types. Here is what I was able to find regarding PGM quantity in the IAF.

~50 x AS-30L
200 x Kh-31
100 x Kh-59

Air-Launched Brahmos will only be available post 2014. Probably 200 of the air-launched Brahmos variant will be purchased by the IAF.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 Dec 2010 07:57

Singha wrote:due to limited nos of brahmos we need to make full use of our AS30L, KH31 and KH59 inventory to strike high value targets at a distance from the air - albeit only M2K and MKI can fire these. the upg Mig29 might get this capability as well.

In a war scenario one should plan for taking out say 5000 high-value targets within the first few hours, and then on each following day, 500 targets of opportunity, for say 1 month.

The initial salvo could consist of Brahmos or K-series missiles. For targets of opportunity, one could use air-launched PGMs, guided artillery, anti-tank missiles etc.

For a two-front scenario, one would probably need a stock of about 100,000 PGMs of all varieties.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Dec 2010 12:08

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 Dec 2010 16:31

I agree,
If the IAF chief says that there are 5000 targets, say atleast one fifth of them should have dedicated missiles-one for each, so that given the go ahead, someone in Nai Dilli presses a button and boom, 20 minutes later there are only 4000 targets left in munna land.

Why go the tortuous and risky route of deploying fighters to ingress into enemy territory hain ji? I agree that Pakistan's SAM coverage isn't exactly world class and is patchy to say the least, but fighting an airbattle will be prolonged, risk prone, and gives the Jernails opportunity to press the N bums they have into service.

Instead, India should have a single window policy for pakistan - one button and poof! 1000 targets gone. Instant retribution, the ball is in pakistan's court, if they decide to escalate, they will have to fight it out with the massive Indian armed forces.
If they decide to fight, they will die in futility, if they don't decide to fight, their COAS / military dictator will be history, joining the ranks of Yahaya.

JMT.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Dec 2010 20:07

er, for a large static target like an airfield, factory, dock you need not 1 but maybe 20-30 missiles to ensure atleast 15-20 do not misguide or fall victim to jamming/sam and get the job done.

for smaller targets like supply dumps / bridges / HQ camps / railway yards I agree 1-5 is enough esp with the 300kg warhead of brahmos or 1ton in prithvi. thats a lot of explosive.

I think IAF plans to use Prithvi on paki airbases due to its bigger warhead.

John · Post by **John** » 19 Dec 2010 20:08

ashokpachori wrote: The missile's speed is Mach 2.3 at high altitude and Mach 1.5 at low altitude.

http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1725&catid=312

Not sure how it credible that is i can spot multiple mistakes in just one paragraph ("Brahmos will be used onboard India's newly built Shivalik-class frigates", "whereas the Russian Yakhont is launched from angled launcher"- Yakhont was clearly advertised with VLS capabilities). Also wasn't it Pillai that said brahmos has nine times the kill power of a subsonic missile.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 19 Dec 2010 20:19

ashokpachori wrote:

SM3 is no silver bullet. Had it been so, Uncle Sam would not be loosing sleep against chinese carrier killing missile. They foresee pearl harbour, albeit this time from China sans Kamikaze. There is hardly anything SM3 can do against sea skimming, supersonic multi Brahmos coming in from varying flight profiles, job would get done after all.

Perhaps all true. But Unkil is likely to retaliate with a few hundred nukes if a CBG is hit by a DF 31. The USN does not see itself as a Pinata. This may focus Chinese minds on how and when exactly they would employ it.

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 19 Dec 2010 20:24

Cosmo_R wrote:
ashokpachori wrote:

SM3 is no silver bullet. Had it been so, Uncle Sam would not be loosing sleep against chinese carrier killing missile. They foresee pearl harbour, albeit this time from China sans Kamikaze. There is hardly anything SM3 can do against sea skimming, supersonic multi Brahmos coming in from varying flight profiles, job would get done after all.
Perhaps all true. But Unkil is likely to retaliate with a few hundred nukes if a CBG is hit by a DF 31. The USN does not see itself as a Pinata. This may focus Chinese minds on how and when exactly they would employ it.

Question is about possible ways to counter Brahmos.. it is not about retaliation after getting hit by it..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Dec 2010 20:54

Cosmo_R wrote:
Perhaps all true. But Unkil is likely to retaliate with a few hundred nukes if a CBG is hit by a DF 31. The USN does not see itself as a Pinata. This may focus Chinese minds on how and when exactly they would employ it.

Off topic. Unkil did noting of the sort 10 years after 9-11, thousands of deaths later. Osama is still free and Pakis are cocking a snook at them.

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 19 Dec 2010 21:00

John wrote:
ashokpachori wrote: The missile's speed is Mach 2.3 at high altitude and Mach 1.5 at low altitude.

http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1725&catid=312
Not sure how it credible that is i can spot multiple mistakes in just one paragraph ("Brahmos will be used onboard India's newly built Shivalik-class frigates", "whereas the Russian Yakhont is launched from angled launcher"- Yakhont was clearly advertised with VLS capabilities). Also wasn't it Pillai that said brahmos has nine times the kill power of a subsonic missile.

Pillai said that, and thats correct. Brahmos has nine time kinetic energy, because during terminal maneuver it has the highest velocity.

Yakhont Launch angle: 15 to 90 degree.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Dec 2010 21:02

I think faced with a conventional attack on a CBG, they have good strength on the escalatory ladder and will declare war on the chinese navy - sinking or bombarding its ships and docks for a couple weeks and 'daring' china to expand the naval war. there is no need for nukes in that game. the chinese economy will take a severe hit due to cessation of internal trade and they'd have no option but to sue for peace or else go into isolationist north korea mode which means all the swank high speed trains and industrial parks will grind to a halt. walmart and apple can shift their work elsewhere at some cost but chinese have no substitute for their largest foreign markets.

for 9-11 ofcourse they mishandled the response badly and left themselves with this migraine clusterfcuk in place named TSP. a economic blocade and aid cutoff to TSP would have produced all the all-keeda #1 and #2 in a basket. ofcourse it would not have solved *our* J&K problem but US could have gone home with a clear victory - the mounted heads of osama and mullah omar to show off in the museum of natural history in NYC.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 19 Dec 2010 21:10

Which is the best weapon for hitting transportation and utilities infrastructure? This would be the highest long term impact for any nation. Electricity, Water and Telecommunication infrastructure would make them go ages back.

I think no nation on the planet has infrastructure setup to withstand such large scale bombings.

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 19 Dec 2010 21:22

Cosmo_R wrote:
ashokpachori wrote:

SM3 is no silver bullet. Had it been so, Uncle Sam would not be loosing sleep against chinese carrier killing missile. They foresee pearl harbour, albeit this time from China sans Kamikaze. There is hardly anything SM3 can do against sea skimming, supersonic multi Brahmos coming in from varying flight profiles, job would get done after all.
Perhaps all true. But Unkil is likely to retaliate with a few hundred nukes if a CBG is hit by a DF 31. The USN does not see itself as a Pinata. This may focus Chinese minds on how and when exactly they would employ it.

Practically speaking, US cant take Korea del Norte because there are 200K GIs, any such mass casuality (despite being away from US shores) would change political power, POTUS will have to resign. In nut shell no USG would like that. But here is even worse scenario. Chinese long range nuclear missiles are pointed towards US terrain, any nuclear misadventure from US, it would be punished heavily in a retaliatory nuclear strikes, that in turn means final world war and a nuclear winter. Not feasible.

In other words MAD would be realised.

In Somalia, when they showed few American soldier bodies being dragged by warlord/militias on the road, Clinton abruptly called back US troops. American love to flex thier muscle, but when the push comes to shove, they try to find the middle ground, when the adversary is nuke equiped.

Just remember how US spy plane was shipped to it from China in pieces, Russian (aircraft) Anatov 225 was used if I am not mistaken.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 19 Dec 2010 23:10

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 Dec 2010 23:15

Air Launched BRAHMOS on a Su-34 !

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 19 Dec 2010 23:58

Thats Yakhont and it seems Russians had already integrated it on Su34
http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1725&catid=312

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 20 Dec 2010 00:07

Gagan wrote:Air Launched BRAHMOS on a Su-34 !

http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1725&catid=312&image=1043

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 20 Dec 2010 01:38

Kanson wrote:I think, the range is restricted by Software rather than the fuel capacity. Pillai commented of placing fuel tank in the forward section(diffuser?) so left over fuel adds to the explosive effect.

Probably just behind the warhead. They might have moved the bulk electronics in the diffuser section prior to the combustor and moved the fuel into the isolator-diffuser section behind the warhead. Very curious though: Was this part of the design modification beyond the Yakhont that turned into the Brahmos?

That said, I think the comment on leftover fuel must be in respect to the fact that not all engagements would take place at maximum range of the missile. In that case, if you were to hit a target short of max range, the leftover fuel would add to the explosive effect.

Kanson wrote: This can be seen in one of the Brahmos test video where a ship catches fire on impact. Yakhont is credited to have more range than 300 km. If i'm not hallucinating, the Brahmos missile body is more streamlined, probably increasing the internal volume.

Might add 10% more range or so. Not much unless the propulsion has been completely revamped inside and new materials added for the combustor. Again: was any such modification done beyond the Yakhont? If not, we should not assume so.

From the understanding of Pillai's statement, I think, missile hits the target at Mach 3 only irrespective of the profile it was flown. When the ramjet kicks in the missile is in Mach 2 speed.

Actually, the missile fins and inlet sections point heavily towards a M2.5-3.5 range design. Anything else and you would be flying inefficient. Essentially put, the fins aspect-ratio times the Prandtl-Glauert compressibility correction factor squared would give you an indication of high-sweep supersonic wings with arbitrary sweep and taper: if this product is less than 3, you will see increasing CL-alpha curve slopes and damping-in-roll characteristics for decreasing sweep. Otherwise, if this product is greater than 3, you will see the reverse trend. Thus, if you were designing a missile and had selected a cruise mach number, a higher than required sweep would be inefficient for that above factor being less than 3. For the Brahmos, the design point comes out Mach ~3. Fly lower, and you are not using the fins efficiently. Fly higher, same scenario.

Same problem with the inlet. Based on image analysis of the inlet angles, I can tell that we are looking at around M2.5-M3 type inlet based on axi-symmetric shock charts. Fly lower, and you are causing spillage around the inlet lip. Fly higher, you are causing a shock inside the missile! Not good.

It all depends on how you measure the Mach number. If its referenced to sea level conditions, the Brahmos cruise altitude of around 14000m would mean that the sonic velocity ratio is 1.2. In other words, what would be Mach 2.5 on the ground would actually be seen by the Brahmos as Mach 3, i.e. its design point cruise condition.

Then, when it goes back down to sea level, it must accelerate to its design point condition from Mach 2.5 to Mach 3. In doing so, it would give credence to those reports commenting on acceleration during terminal maneuvers for such supersonic cruise missiles.

But in either case, Mach 1.5 (actually, anything below Mach 2.5) is extremely hard to believe as the Brahmos cruise conditions. From the aero-propulsive standpoint, its like driving a porsche at 20 miles and hour with full gas and your feet on the brakes. Very inefficient. Use a bike instead.

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 20 Dec 2010 02:04

Austin wrote:Shiv , for a missile to do Mach 3 at sea skimming ( 15- 5 m ) they would probably need some exotic materials to manage the heat , AFAIK even Brahmos does M 1.5 at low level.

Not the case today. Short one way bursts of around 100Km at M2.7 to M3 is perfectly possible before material effects come into play. Drag, however, is a whole other matter.

And I know there are reports circulating on the web claiming a Mach 1.5 value for sea level cruise for the Brahmos. Just that I cannot find one half-decent reference for any one of those claims based on anything from an aerodynamics engineering standpoint.

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 20 Dec 2010 02:59

vivek_ahuja wrote:
Austin wrote:Shiv , for a missile to do Mach 3 at sea skimming ( 15- 5 m ) they would probably need some exotic materials to manage the heat , AFAIK even Brahmos does M 1.5 at low level.
Not the case today. Short one way bursts of around 100Km at M2.7 to M3 is perfectly possible before material effects come into play. Drag, however, is a whole other matter.

And I know there are reports circulating on the web claiming a Mach 1.5 value for sea level cruise. Just that I cannot find one half-decent reference for any one of those claims based on anything from an aerodynamics engineering standpoint.

The ship-launched anti-ship version of BRAHMOS missile can fly at supersonic speed barely 3-4 meters above the surface of the sea making it ideal for stealth attack against enemy ships.

The technology behind the missile makes it a game-changer in the global arms industry. No other missile is capable of flying at match 2 plus speeds and yet skim the seas.

"Any other anti-ship missile will only leave a hole in the hull of the attacked ship, but the BRAHMOS missile will completely obliterate the target. In the anti-ship missile tests done in India, the target ship was completely blown to pieces", he said.

http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=128#

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 20 Dec 2010 03:09

My previous comment was in reference to the Brahmos speeds.

ashokpachori wrote:The technology behind the missile makes it a game-changer in the global arms industry. No other missile is capable of flying at match 2 plus speeds and yet skim the seas.

And yet we know the Kh-31 (Ma-31 variant) does skim the seas at Mach 2.7 for up to 50 km and has been known to be doing so for a long time (read and edited a engineering report on it some time ago). The point is: the technology is proven.

We need to be able to differentiate between propaganda, exaggeration and actual engineering details. At some point it comes down to sensationalism on the part of the Brahmos team as well.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 20 Dec 2010 04:35

So then can we conclude that the Brahmos can cruise upwards of M2 at sea level? Of course, range will be reduced to about 120km at such speeds. However, things might be different when it is airlaunched. now the missile does not have to waste fuel to gain altitude? I don't see why a Brahmos cannot achieve 120km at lo profile when launched by something like the MKI.

CM.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 20 Dec 2010 09:35

Brahmos is 8.4 m long, 0.6m dia, weight 3 tons, range 290 km, payload 300 kg, speed Mach 2.8.

Shaurya is 10 m long, 0.74m dia, weight 6.2 tons, range 750 km, payload 1000 kg, speed Mach 8.

Now, would not a miniaturized Shaurya be a better bet than Brahmos? It seems that is not much advantage in going for Ramjet instead of rocket propulsion, and there is in fact a big disadvantage in speed.

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 20 Dec 2010 17:06

Pranav wrote:
Now, would not a miniaturized Shaurya be a better bet than Brahmos? It seems that is not much advantage in going for Ramjet instead of rocket propulsion, and there is in fact a big disadvantage in speed.

Was not Brahmos primarly made as Anti Ship missile? Then we went for air launched version, and finally one for our Army?

BTW how would a rocket propulsion indulge into a sea skimming mode?

Both are different missiles with different goal and both breeds are indispensable for India.....

While Shaurya is yet to fully evolve as a second strike capability tool for India, Brahmos is a owner´s pride neighbour´s envy.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 20 Dec 2010 17:21

ashokpachori wrote:The technology behind the missile makes it a game-changer in the global arms industry. No other missile is capable of flying at match 2 plus speeds and yet skim the seas.

http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=128#

Thats a news by Defenceworld.net and in that website they post news from various news source.

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 20 Dec 2010 18:09

Austin wrote:
ashokpachori wrote:The technology behind the missile makes it a game-changer in the global arms industry. No other missile is capable of flying at match 2 plus speeds and yet skim the seas.

http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=128#
Thats a news by Defenceworld.net and in that website they post news from various news source.

Correct Austin.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 20 Dec 2010 18:24

So the fact that Brahmos can do speed about Mach 2 while skimming does not hold much ground as is claimed by them , AFAIK off my head the advertised range of Brahmos is M 1.5 to 2.8 corresponding to an altitude of 10-15 m to 15 km , a direct quote by Pillai on its low level speed will be welcome.

The Kh-31 advertised speed at rosoboronexport is 500 - 600 m/s that corresponds to a speed between M 1.5 and 2 , I do not know how many website around went to the town claiming M 3 and 4