J & K news and discussion

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 27 Nov 2010 18:21

Saar jee,
I don't hold any illusions. For me, they are all like Pakis. Bird of the same flock. It doesn't matter who is in power, they are all Pakis. It's just that getting a guy like Mirwaiz on our side will be more beneficial. He and Geelani don't get along well.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2010 19:25

Pratyush wrote:Light at the end of the tunnel

Court orders registration of FIR against Geelani, Arundhati Roy

The Government did not want to slap charges, but the Court has forced them to do so, having found prima facie truth in the charges. It remains to be seen how GoI will now prevent Arundhathi Roy and her backers from turning this to get publicity for themselves.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Nov 2010 23:11

jamwal wrote:Saar jee,
I don't hold any illusions. For me, they are all like Pakis. Bird of the same flock. It doesn't matter who is in power, they are all Pakis. It's just that getting a guy like Mirwaiz on our side will be more beneficial. He and Geelani don't get along well.

Whether or not the two fascists get along well has no bearing on India. Both are puppets of ISI.

I don't want to put words into SS's mouth, but if I recall what he said, which I concur with, India has tried all "peaceful" ideas in the valley. TSP and their puppets have thwarted everything. The only "peaceful" deal they will agree to IMO is "joint control" with so much baggage built into it, that it would be a surrender by India. Interestingly, this "joint control" BS which Mirwaiz and co were peddling in some form in Chandigarh until he got a face lift seems to have quite a bit of support in Washington, London, and even in Delhi (recall the parleys between MMS & terrorist Mush). TSP will go along with it in the right form, and anybody opposing it like BJP or some even in Congress will be dubbed "hardliners" or "Hindu extremists" etc.

Short of that, only some kind of a show down with TSP will change the status quo. By status quo I mean TSP & its puppets constantly using terror & nuke blackmail and making obnoxious demands on India.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2010 09:09

SAS Geelani's son back home from Pakistan
So, when all options are exhausted, these vermin return to Mother India.

Naeem Geelani, a doctor by profession, joined his father and other family members a day before Eid. Along with his wife and two children, Mr. Naeem had been living in Pakistan for nearly 10 years.

Moreover, his father's increasing differences with the Pakistani government meant he “no longer wanted” Islamabad to blackmail him politically.

Sources close to the family said he intended to return to his government job at the Jammu and Kashmir High Court.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2010 09:42

Pratyush wrote:Light at the end of the tunnel
Court orders registration of FIR against Geelani, Arundhati Roy

Now, Arundhati Roy says that even an FIR could be lodged against Nehru posthumously

She cites various statement that PM Nehru made in the first decade after Independence. Both Pakistan and India have moved away from that position due to situations that developed. To speak of freedom or secession after the Indian Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution that the entire J&K is a part of Indian Union certainly calls for action against that person.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Nov 2010 10:49

SSridhar wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Light at the end of the tunnel
Court orders registration of FIR against Geelani, Arundhati Roy
Now, Arundhati Roy says that even an FIR could be lodged against Nehru posthumously

She cites various statement that PM Nehru made in the first decade after Independence. Both Pakistan and India have moved away from that position due to situations that developed. To speak of freedom or secession after the Indian Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution that the entire J&K is a part of Indian Union certainly calls for action against that person.

This "lady" seriously needs to do some time as a guest of the government.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 28 Nov 2010 11:30

^^^

Make that in a paded room and a straight jacket.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Nov 2010 11:57

One should book her for crapping in public and polluting the environment with her stinking mouth.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Nov 2010 12:58

I don't think that jailing her will do any good. Her popularity seems to be on a steady decline. Why give her more ammunition to use against the state? Just let her fizzle out!

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 28 Nov 2010 14:02

The relevant laws should be changed if she is not to be jailed. If the laws stay on the books, they can be used to selectively harrass opposition members, while people like Roy get special treatment. For instance, if the party in power signs up to some change in the status of J&K via a constitutional change, then is it sedition to oppose it?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Nov 2010 14:50

mirwaiz has his ass handed to him at a seminar in Calcutta.

The ex Chief Shankar Roy Chowdary took on this excrescence and said that mirwaiz did not speak for any except some people in the valley and that kashmir nor any part of it would never be allowed to secede under any circumstances.

mirwaiz has also claimed that the Indian judiciary has curbed the freedom of speech of the kashmiris' in India.

Do these morons even recognize the Indian judiciary? Just like the fundamental rights of Indians are not enforceable in J&K why should the kashimiri separatist jehadi have full fundamental rights in India?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2010 15:59

RoyG wrote:I don't think that jailing her will do any good. Her popularity seems to be on a steady decline. Why give her more ammunition to use against the state? Just let her fizzle out!

RoyG, if her popularity is on the decline, why do you think it will go up suddenly when the law of the land catches up with her ? Is it that the people of this country empathize with those against whom criminal & seditious charges are slapped ? She is not going to stop just because GoI decides to ignore her. Besides, why should GoI be afraid of taking action against violators of Law and what message does it send to the people when nuisance-creators are let go because they have the potential to create nuisance. Won't that encourage others to do the same ?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Nov 2010 20:21

Why so much coverage for A. Roy-> The media never covers people who have right wing views. Why not just jail her and companions without any media coverage by Media Houses.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Nov 2010 20:52

Perhaps one can make a case that A.Roy was actually born a Muslim and then she became apostate, and let the rumor fly around, especially around the ears of some hardline maulvis and others who move faster than thought!

Or that in private she has been calling PBUH all kinds of names!

Or what's the Quran doing in her Toilet cum Bathroom!

Or that she supports gay sex so much that she ...!

Or that she is a secret CIA agent, sent to tempt and infiltrate the Mujahideen!

Or that she has got a blasphemous tattoo on her lower buttocks!

Just like she keeps throwing muck around in the hope some will stick, others can probably do the same as well!

BTW, the last thing is really true! When I inquired, she said she doesn't mix politics with pleasure!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 28 Nov 2010 22:09

Ignoring her is only going to make her even more shrill. Ughhh why has the god of small things foisted this big pain on us....

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Nov 2010 22:28

How can we solve India's social engineering problems if we can't solve RoyG's Schizophrenia?

Let the courts give her suitable (1-2 yr) jail term for her nonsense and let her face the jail-life conditions as a normal prisoner. That itslef will bring her down to earth.

Ashley Kravitz · Post by **Ashley Kravitz** » 28 Nov 2010 22:33

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/136021/mir ... -held.html

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Nov 2010 22:42

RamaY wrote: How can we solve India's social engineering problems if we can't solve RoyG's Schizophrenia?

Let the courts give her suitable (1-2 yr) jail term for her nonsense and let her face the jail-life conditions as a normal prisoner. That itslef will bring her down to earth.

RamaY ji,

Giving it some thought, IMHO, I think, a jail term would only bolster her standing. On the other hand, a country has to have other means of getting rid of such personalities. After such personalities who revolt against India using the shield of their legal rights, freedom of speech and patronage of Western liberal agenda institutions, it becomes difficult to touch them without getting burnt in the public opinion.

The best way to get rid of such people is through the hands of apparently those whose cause these people support.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 28 Nov 2010 23:16

Tut tut - it will immediately be declared as a "Hindu right wing" conspiracy and some already targeted odd group will be found to be guilty which will then be proved "conclusively" after proper investigations by the CBI.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 28 Nov 2010 23:45

A jail term may get the sympathy support...afaik she does not have any support among the regular people. Back in college, there was this guy who used to flaunt that he has her book. Even as a person who knew nothing about how these things work (the psy ops, DIE people etc)...I could make out that it was just a useless pretentious crap.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Nov 2010 00:38

brihaspati wrote:Tut tut - it will immediately be declared as a "Hindu right wing" conspiracy and some already targeted odd group will be found to be guilty which will then be proved "conclusively" after proper investigations by the CBI.

brihaspati garu,

You're probably right! I'll give my imagination some rest now. I think I should stop this stream of thinking anyway.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Nov 2010 00:53

Just find her lesbian lover and set the stage for her a spokewoman of L movement.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Nov 2010 01:11

brihaspati wrote:Tut tut - it will immediately be declared as a "Hindu right wing" conspiracy and some already targeted odd group will be found to be guilty which will then be proved "conclusively" after proper investigations by the CBI.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... alism-risk

They have already started it
In south Asia, independent journalism is a real risk
Critical journalists face restrictions, torture or even death, reducing the accountability of both governments and the military

false arguments are used and India is clubbed under south asia.

wig · Post by **wig** » 29 Nov 2010 08:06

Two hardcore Hizb militants shot dead in Doda cave
*LMG looted from police picket recovered

JAMMU, Nov 28: Two hardcore militants of Hizbul Mujahideen outfit were killed by Army and police in a deep natural cave at Kalamul forests on the outskirts of village Budi in Gandoh area of Doda district today. A Light Machine Gun (LMG), looted from a police post along with other weapons from Chilyas police post on September 9, 2006, was recovered from the possession of slain militants along with other weapons.

It took police and Army more than 16 hours to kill the militants in view of a very large natural cave hideout in which they had taken shelter. There were no casualties of Army or police in the operation.

DIG Doda-Ramban range Manish Kumar Sinha told the Excelsior that a police party identified hideout of the militants in a very long natural cave surrounded by the forests at Kalamul on outskirts of village Morha Budi under the jurisdiction of Gandoh police station.

An operation against the militants was launched by police at 2 am in wee hours of this morning, Mr Sinha said.

Troops of 26 Rashtriya Rifles joined the operation and a first contact with the militants was established at 10 am today. As the cave was very long and full of curves, police and security personnel had to make very tough efforts to reach close to the militants, who had taken positions in last end of the cave.

Police party in the operation was led by Head Constable Sanjeet Singh, Incharge Operations Group and was supervised by SSP Doda Prabhat Singh.

Mr Sinha said one of the militants was killed at 4 pm while his associate was gunned down around 6 pm. He added that police parties had to engage militants in the gunbattle for quite a long time before eliminating them in view of deep curves inside the hideout.

Slain militants have been identified as Tauseef Ahmed son of Mohammad Rafiq, a resident of Mukhyas, Chilli, Gandoh and Imtiyaz Ahmed son of Noor Mohammad Wani R/o Tendla, Gandoh. Tauseef was an ‘A’ category militant of Hizbul Mujahideen while Imtiyaz belonged to ‘B’ category. The duo had joined militancy in 2008 and were involved in a series of subversive activities.

Tauseef had killed Yusuf Lambardar at Haddal and Khalid Hamid, a civilian at Chilli.

Recoveries made from their possession included one LMG, one pistol, magazines and rounds of both the weapons, a mobile telephone which the ultras had damaged before being killed and currency notes which they had torn inside the hideout.

Police said the LMG had been looted by the Hizbul Mujahideen militants along with three Self Loading Rifles (SLRs), one AK and one Insas rifles from a police post at Chilyas, Gandoh on September 9, 2006.

The weapons had been looted by the militants with the connivance of a surrendered militant-turned SPO Javed Ahmed in whose house the police picket had been looted. Two SPOs German Singh and Isher Lal were killed in the operation. Javed had deserted the picket and fled with the militants, who had launched the attack and took away weapons with them.

The slain militants were operating with Ghulam Nabi ‘Gama’, a district commander of Hizbul Mujahideen under the overall command of HM supreme in Doda-Kishtwar, Shah Din Khandey. Gama is the only hardcore militant now left in Gandoh along with his two body-guards.

Sources said the killing of two hardcore militants of Hizbul Mujahideen outfit in Gandoh was a big success of Doda police and has created a major dent in the outfit, which was already reeling under shortage of cadre, weapons and funds.

Bodies of both the militants have been brought out of the cave. According to sources, the cave was being used by the militants as a hideout for quite a long time. However, since it was very long and covered by the forests, it couldn’t be detected. The cave had enough space to accommodate eight to 10 militants at a time. It was now being completely destroyed by the police to ensure that it was not used by the militants in future.

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Nov 2010 08:51

SSridhar wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Light at the end of the tunnel
Court orders registration of FIR against Geelani, Arundhati Roy
Now, Arundhati Roy says that even an FIR could be lodged against Nehru posthumously

Well how about about launching FIRs against lovable bunnies like Aurangzeb? There is, after all, recorded evidence against some of these people.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Nov 2010 09:10

shiv wrote:Well how about about launching FIRs against lovable bunnies like Aurangzeb? There is, after all, recorded evidence against some of these people.

And all the authors and followers of Islamist literature cussing Kaffirs of India .

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 29 Nov 2010 09:51

RajeshA wrote:Perhaps one can make a case that A.Roy was actually born a Muslim and then she became apostate, and let the rumor fly around, especially around the ears of some hardline maulvis and others who move faster than thought!

Or that in private she has been calling PBUH all kinds of names!

Or what's the Quran doing in her Toilet cum Bathroom!

Or that she supports gay sex so much that she ...!

Or that she is a secret CIA agent, sent to tempt and infiltrate the Mujahideen!

Or that she has got a blasphemous tattoo on her lower buttocks!

Just like she keeps throwing muck around in the hope some will stick, others can probably do the same as well!

BTW, the last thing is really true! When I inquired, she said she doesn't mix politics with pleasure!

You are sick and demented mind.

That you can have thoughts about the most pious "Arundhuti Roy", the keeper of the democratic flame. The defender of the indefenceble. The one who is boldly seeking to shaidized in the face of the big bad largest democracy of the world.

I hope that you enjoy the gift of 72 in the world of the living as a punishment for your offensive thoughts.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Nov 2010 10:47

Why can't we treat this the way it is. If She is found guilty, throw her behind the bars irrespective if that causes her popularity to go up or stay where it is i.e. in gutters. The Law should not care for chanikianess of BRF or GoI.
And can someone start throwing shoes and chappals at all these Kashmiri Islamic Terrorists who are invited by Left wing nuts.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Nov 2010 11:30

VikasRaina wrote:Why can't we treat this the way it is. If She is found guilty, throw her behind the bars irrespective if that causes her popularity to go up or stay where it is i.e. in gutters. The Law should not care for chanikianess of BRF or GoI.

Exactly. And, that is what has happened now. GoI's inaction, mistook as chanakianness, was shaken up by the Court. GoI must have done its duty in the first place. Arguing that Ms. A. Roy's speeches did not lead to violence is rather a weak and strange argument for not registering an FIR in the first place. It may still happen that Ms. A. Roy may not be found guilty by the Sessions Court or Higher Courts; but, that is a different matter altogether. Popularity cannot be a yardstick at all for registering cases.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Nov 2010 14:02

^^ SS Ji, Who are these people whose blood does not boil when Terrorist or there sympathizer come and spew venom against the country especially knowing that folks in power can make anybody's life miserable.
Surely Political class is not so chaniakised. Most of them will be hard pressed to figure out who Suzzane is.
They probably will get more votes if votes are the criteria by arresting such scums than not arresting them.
I mean if I were the politician in power, I would have make sure that such scums land behind the bars and then I can display my jingoness to voting public.

Can't blame MMS and PC for everything and anything under the sun. What is local DCP or SDM doing ?
Where is the hue and cry in the local papers ? Who are these people who make decisions to let seditious remarks to go unnoticed I wonder.

aditya · Post by **aditya** » 29 Nov 2010 18:05

Constable Shabir Ahmed of J&K Police sacrifices his life, but foils Jihadi terrorists.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/let-a ... ed/717615/

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Nov 2010 19:02

shiv wrote:Well how about about launching FIRs against lovable bunnies like Aurangzeb? There is, after all, recorded evidence against some of these people.

Or even Djinnah! He was an Indian citizen when he advocated secession and violence between religious communities.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Nov 2010 20:24

Delhi police has filed the FIR against sussana, geelani and some (5?) others for sedition.

Good going

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Nov 2010 00:11

DRDO develops rubber bullets for AK-47 for crowd control. Lets see them issued and hope it reduces casualties of misguided youths. The otehrs can get real bullets.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Nov 2010 00:19

IMHO, other non violent method to be used is that any misguided youth fighting pitch battles with Police or security forces or promoting enemy's moral should be brought in for quick ireversible vasectomy to control the curent and future terrorism.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 30 Nov 2010 14:35

some pictures of Kashmir valley's Sunni Islamist stone-pelters - don't think these have been posted

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Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 30 Nov 2010 15:05

Ramana,

In the 23 oct issue of Telkha, there was a report on the stone pelting youth in the Valley. It quoted a doctor in one of the hospitals as "The killings are targeted killings" (Parapharaised). But he did not wish to be identified as he said that Policemen in mufti were present in the hospital.

If the comment was accurate and not the paranoia of the concerned individual. Then to me it implies that an attempt was made by the Security forces to take out the ring leaders.

Edited later: By mistake I had mentioned latest issue. It was 23rd oct.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 30 Nov 2010 15:49

Hiten

Thanks for the pictures - two things stand out for me in the pictures:
- as has been mentioned before - there's no sign of the kind of poverty we see in many of our cities - either the poor people do not exist or this is only a certain section of society that is rebelling

- the stones (especially in the last picture) are not normal off the road stones - these are partially manufactured stones - that means they were either collected or inventoried - not possible to just pick these up off the streets

Just my two cents.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 30 Nov 2010 16:48

Hiten wrote:some pictures of Kashmir valley's Sunni Islamist stone-pelters - don't think these have been posted

My guess is that more than 90% of these pelters are school-age kids who can't vote or need to have jobs to feed their 6.5 member families.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 30 Nov 2010 16:51

Pratyush wrote:Then to me it implies that an attempt was made by the Security forces to take out the ring leaders.

The ones that are eligible to vote, when push comes to shove. Hence, Geelani and ADRoys' bellyaching.