Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 18 Jan 2011 12:31

My reply to Harlan Ullman's eulogy to Taseer linked above. I tried to post the comment there but did not succeed. If anyone can, feel free, use your own username...

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An incredibly ill-informed article. Mr. Harlan clearly knows next to nothing about Pakistan. Allow me to rip into his prescription for success there:

"Crucial are, as Taseer argued, political, strategic, economic and psychological support."

No doubt of a different variety than has already been provided to Pakistan since its independence in 1947. Because there's nothing to show for the support that has been provided so far, apart from the fact that virtually every single terror attack by Islamists in the west is no more than three degrees of separation away from Pakistan, at most.

"First is textile tariff relief that will not cost U.S. workers a single job."

I'm guessing that the Department of Commerce has plenty of little bottle-glassed bureaucrats running around right now trying to find that elusive tariff that will not cost American workers "a single job". Please Mr. Harlan, you have amply displayed your ignorance about military strategy in the real world. Must you also inflict economic theory on us?

"Second is agreeing to discussions on a nuclear treaty similar to the one signed with India."

Sure, and while you're at it, wangle an invitation to high tea at Buckingham Palace for A.Q. Khan, with stopovers in North Korea, Iran and Libya en route. In any case, such a treaty already exists in effect, because the US already has a treaty of this nature with China, and Pakistan's nuclear reality is basically a Chinese construction. Never mind, what's another couple of hundred nukes in the hands of insane jihadis. The 19 suicidal hijackers who carried out 9/11 had no connection whatsoever to Pakistan, did they? Did they?

"Third is using U.S. and other major powers to encourage negotiations between India and Pakistan to reduce tensions and flash points whether over Kashmir or Mumbai-style threats."

Well, we know what the Indians will say: (1) We are more than ready to negotiate - they actually are! (2) We are ready to compromise on the most sensitive issues; (3) Even if you do attack us now and then we aren't really going to do anything back. So, now what? Can the US convince the Pakistanis to negotiate constructively, or to stop sending terrorists across the border to kill Indians? Probably not, don't you think, given that Washington cannot convince the Pakistani generals to stop sending people over the Afghan border to kill Americans... So how are you going to actually pressure the Indians? And perhaps, more importantly, with what instrument? It might help to recognise a checkmate, or at worst a stalemate, when you see one.

"Last and the administration may be moving in this direction, the U.S. must decide how critical Pakistan military action in North Waziristan is to success in Afghanistan."

How convenient. If military action in North Waziristan is "not critical", I suppose American troops just pull back and chill, while the Taliban (I can't tell whether they are the good or bad version any more - flip a coin), strengthen themelves in the area and beyond. If action is critical, then supply the Pakistanis with weapons... A heads I win tails you lose offer from the Pakistani side. And a great strategic mind in Washington has accepted it, and is now promoting it to save Pakistan. Is it any wonder that we had to go into Afghanistan in the first place?

A sad, ill-informed, deluded and ultimately pointless article that even a Talib would laugh at.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Jan 2011 13:15

Maleeha Lodhi lists out several reasons why India is rushing for talks with Pakistan. Even granting that, she should think of Pakistan's fate when an India could be so pressurized.

The agenda of the Pakistanis always has a predictable pattern; that of a victorious, all-conquering and rampaging Army dictating terms to the defeated, battered, shattered and shivering enemy. It happened also in 1965, 1972, 1998.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Jan 2011 13:24

ramana wrote:In that case why not convince the Wahabandi Pakiban, the PA is sold out to the Indians( they already suspect them of being sold out to US!) and not doing enough and go after them. The stalemate is broken only when the PA meets its nemesis.

Absolutely. The PA meets its nemesis either by being thoroughly defeated by the Pakiban or by the IA or due to mutiny internally. Nothing else can and will work. The Pakiban also know the truth that the PA is sold out *only* to the Americans. The Pakiban are revising their strategy and hence the apparent lull (by their standards). It is only a matter of time, I guess.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 18 Jan 2011 13:38

JE Menon wrote:My reply to Harlan Ullman's eulogy to Taseer linked above. I tried to post the comment there but did not succeed. If anyone can, feel free, use your own username...

Done

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 Jan 2011 13:50

Anujan wrote:1. Asking me to scale down my lifestyle in accordance with the amount of money I make
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So this victory should be given to the Pakis. People do not question if their territorial, military and strategic objectives are commensurate to their size, economic and military strength..

SSridhar wrote:The agenda of the Pakistanis always has a predictable pattern; that of a victorious, all-conquering and rampaging Army dictating terms to the defeated, battered, shattered and shivering enemy. It happened also in 1965, 1972, 1998.

Here is proof:
Z A Bhutto on the verge of tears after the loss of east pakistan, on his return from UN in newyork. He gets interviewed at Heathrow airport, London. And he has this to say " British factories were working night and day to provide 'LITTLE INDIA' pitted against a 'BIG PAKISTAN' with arms".

Shows the megalomania that the pakistani state suffers from. I am not upto my psychology, but this is the typical megalomania that afflicts beggers on street corners. They beg all day, but notice how quickly they become 'royal highnesses' in an instant - all to protect H&D.
See 3:00 onwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu4MTv5wgys

Another falsehood they hold on to is: "Strike fear in the enemy's heart by your actions" propounded by no less than the great prophet.
Yeah right - everyone and their mother knows you are shivering and browning in your salwars, so commit brutal action upon a defenseless enemy, hoping against hope that the rest of the enemy will get deterred. Remember Lt Kalia and his company in Kargil?

Fat chance of that happening and best of luck!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Jan 2011 13:51

JE Menon wrote:My reply to Harlan Ullman's eulogy to Taseer linked above. I tried to post the comment there but did not succeed.

It has appeared. I got one in too.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Jan 2011 15:12

A_Gupta wrote:Eulogy to Salman Taseer from an American friend
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archiv ... _taseer_a/

From the above eulogy,

Dressed in his customary black sun glasses and attire, he had the charisma of a Hollywood star.

This is another theme that has remained constant from the days of Vice President Nixon's visit and the Foreign Secretary of Pres. Eisenhower, John Foster Dulles' (of the Pakistani Gurkha soldiers' fame) visit to Pakistan in the early 50s. They were very impressed. They likened Ayub Khan and his Army to something straight out of a Hollywood movie.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 18 Jan 2011 16:11

^ Could it be another of Unkill's Chanikiyan spins where they make their prey feel like royalty before they suck him/her dry ?
I am sure, for a Yankee since 1947, any brown sahab coming from Indian Subcontinent was no better than the local "Brother". I find it hard to believe all this hollywood nonsense that is spewed for visiting Generals.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Jan 2011 16:15

Paki self-deception even by Zulfie Bhutto ("British factories working night and day to give little India missiles,arms,etc...") in those days,simply amazing.Pray,what British arms were manufactured,and delivered to India "jaldi style" by its factories in the 10 day war? In '71 the vast majority of arms and weapon systems used by India were of Soviet origin and the humble little PT-76 was perhaps the true hero of the Bangladesh war.

The latest cover feature in India Today on Pak carries Imran Khan's wail that Pak has descended into a "black hole".Very true, and little if any matter ever escapes from a "black hole".Thus Pak in his own words is truly doomed.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Jan 2011 17:11

VikasRaina wrote:^ Could it be another of Unkill's Chanikiyan spins where they make their prey feel like royalty before they suck him/her dry ?
I am sure, for a Yankee since 1947, any brown sahab coming from Indian Subcontinent was no better than the local "Brother". I find it hard to believe all this hollywood nonsense that is spewed for visiting Generals.

hollywood had gungadin and sabu also
and omar sharief

ayub also threatens the europeans in shiv's video - "we will certainly not be your friends..." amazing, the effrontery...

indians by contrast had moralistic ideal spewing bhashans and dhoti shivering on the side... no wonder they went for mr bombastick

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Jan 2011 17:24

SSridhar wrote:Maleeha Lodhi lists out several reasons why India is rushing for talks with Pakistan. Even granting that, she should think of Pakistan's fate when an India could be so pressurized.

The agenda of the Pakistanis always has a predictable pattern; that of a victorious, all-conquering and rampaging Army dictating terms to the defeated, battered, shattered and shivering enemy. It happened also in 1965, 1972, 1998.

Boss, can't dissect all of her piskology, but she is right on one point though. On Mumbai. She herself acknowledges that TSP showed the middle finger to India's demands, and India backed off after huffing and puffing. Either this is due to US pressure on India as she claims, or MMS's own desparation to make up with TSP, I don't know. Its the job of the Indian media to proble this, but they are busy with Swami Aseemanand (she also makes a reference to that self goal). But one cannot deny a huge climb down by India.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Jan 2011 17:41

The descendants of Ayub Khan - the Salman Taseers. Maleehas Lodhis and co seem to me to be getting both redundant and desperate. They ruled the roost all these decades, cotrolling their pure islamic brethren with promises of glory in India while making the Americans and the West in general eat out of their hands by their style, demeanor and hospitality. The sheen they had built up appears to be fading - and they are clutching at straws - and trying to hold on the he friendships (and babies) they had with the WKKs of India and the blind men of the American cold war.

Please archive this post and shame me in a few years time if I am wrong. Or mock me if I am dead. These guys have had it. The time for Islam minus the "moderate, secular, westernized elite" to rule Pakistan is coming

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 18 Jan 2011 17:49

shiv saar is 100% correct. The RAPE era is over. And it is a good thing. Pakistan is destined to be the most islamic country in the history of the world. May Pak fulfill her destiny. Satyamev jayate.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 Jan 2011 18:02

Inshallah!
Pakistan ka khaatma hoga.

Ameen.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Jan 2011 18:41

There is an extremely lot of rona-dhona in the aftermath of Salman Taseer's death!

The Baki Liberals have found out that the system does not have any support for any liberal agenda. Their so-called liberal parties - PPP, ANP, MQM ... are all liberal in name only. Their liberal manifesto consists of a few begums running around with full lipstick on. Once all Islamists showed them their rage, the Gilanis went gila in the trousers, the Kiyani kiya onlee maun vrat, the Rehman Maliks told the other Rehman, Ms. Sherry Rehman - Bhag munni bhag, Valayat bhag ja! And when dashing Salman's funeral was to take place, it was a case of Maulvi, Maulvi everywhere, not one to lead! Other heroes - Babar Awans started saying the death is not a case of Islamist justice, but a political saazish! Aitzaz Hassans were instead found to be supporting the Blasphemy Laws steadfastly.

If the Baki Liberals, a subset of RAPE, were looking for some liberal awakening, none came. Now the RAPE know the roof has collapsed! They've been beating the dead horse of Jinnah incessantly since then to make him stand up again and say something in their favor, but he is glad he is gone!

So 2011-2012 is going to be the year of Baki-Hindi Bhai Bhai! Expect some praise coming from over the borders!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Jan 2011 19:08

Other rona-dhona
http://tribune.com.pk/story/105097/paki ... lf-states/

These two incidences which transpired on the same day, as reported in the Pakistani press, highlight the hostile attitude of local administrations in the Gulf towards Pakistanis.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 Jan 2011 19:09

The Mems that these political parties have in Pakistan are of two varieties:
1. Western educated daughters of Politicians / Bureaucrats / Army officers - the Chanel, Prada, Gucci outfitted ladies.
2. Mistresses / Mujra wimmen / Kept women of the big fat Pakjabi politicians who have made an entry into politics.

I doubt there is a genuine lady politician there these days, more of an oddity. The way the abduls are on the upswing there, I wonder how long before they start to issue canadian visas to these lady polticians? Sherry Rehman has had numerous instances where she found out that the streets of pakistan are no place for a genteel lady to be in - the abduls are most incorrigible (Now weather it is Mr Gilani or some random lawyer who gives her a bear hug).

Just in passing I would like to mention that in India, Aligarh Muslim University now has a female running for the post of President of the Student's union - the first by a female in its 90yr history and a muslim woman too, surrounded by fellow students, and a lot of them wearing Hijabs. Now that is genuine grass roots politics. This girl is said to be a strong contender, and is sure to be snapped up by one of the mainline political parties.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 Jan 2011 20:07

Hari Seldon wrote:shiv saar is 100% correct. The RAPE era is over. And it is a good thing. Pakistan is destined to be the most islamic country in the history of the world. May Pak fulfill her destiny. Satyamev jayate.

Speaking of Pakistan’s Islamic fixation King Farouk / Faruq of Egypt on Pakistan‘s Islamic fixation quoted in “Mainsprings of Indian and Pakistani foreign policies” by S. M. Burke (Pages 138 and 139)

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King Faruq was reported to have ridiculed Pakistan's devotion to Islamic causes by saying to his courtiers, “Don't you know that Islam was born on 14 August 1947.”

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jan 2011 21:12

Gagan, you forgot Hermes outfitted mems.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 18 Jan 2011 21:43

Hari Seldon wrote:shiv saar is 100% correct. The RAPE era is over. And it is a good thing. Pakistan is destined to be the most islamic country in the history of the world. May Pak fulfill her destiny. Satyamev jayate.

+400%

Major Brofound on Paki Democracy's Birth

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jan 2011 21:45

Just few more events will push it beyond the edge or abyss. US knows that and is acting double quick to force India to the table.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jan 2011 21:52

KLNM, Also in the 90s BB once said that obsessing with jihadis will be the death of Pakistan or words to that effect.

Dont have the exact quote.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Jan 2011 22:20

mean while national bird score again

US strike 'kills five militants in NW Pakistan'

(AFP) – 26 minutes ago

MIRANSHAH, Pakistan — A US drone attacked a compound in northwest Pakistan's tribal area on Tuesday, killing five militants, security officials said.

"A US drone fired two missiles at a militant compound in Dashgah village killing at least five militants," a senior Pakistani security official told AFP.

"We are trying to ascertain the nationality of the militants killed in the attack.

Dashgah is around 40 kilometres (25 miles) west of Miranshah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal district, which borders Afghanistan.

A security official and an intelligence official in Peshawar, the capital of the northwest Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, confirmed the attack and the death toll.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 18 Jan 2011 22:21

Rocket attacks kill three soldiers in Pakistan

Islamabad, Jan 18 (DPA) At least three soldiers were killed Tuesday when presumed Islamic insurgents fired rockets at a military camp in Pakistan's northwestern tribal areas.

Security officials said that three rockets hit a security camp in the town of Razmak in North Waziristan, one of the region's seven districts and a hotbed of Al Qaeda linked militants.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Jan 2011 22:24

PAKISTAN: Population growth rate adds to problems

According to official figures, the projected population for 2015 is 191 million, up from the current figure of 170 million, making it the sixth most populous nation on earth. By 2050 it is expected to climb into fourth place.

“More people, of course, means a further drain on resources,” Sikander Lodhi, an economic analyst, told IRIN. “Resources are already stretched to the limit,” he said.

The same principle holds true within individual households. “Allah [God] has given us eight children. We are fortunate,” said Rafiq Muhammad, 50, a labourer who earns around Rs 5,000 (US$59) a month. His wife, Parveen Bibi, told IRIN: “It is very hard to feed everyone. We do not even get one proper meal a day.”

“We offer advice on contraception, but some women are too scared of their husbands to even consider these methods,” she said. The belief that God determined family size, and in some cases that women on the pill may be tempted to have sex outside marriage, confident they would not become pregnant, were key factors in this attitude, Farhat said.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Jan 2011 22:27

any kamments?

PML-N may suggest trade with India

LAHORE: The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz is likely to suggest that the Pakistan People’s Party-led coalition government broaden the scope of trade of daily use commodities with India through land routes as a first and vital step to curb high inflation in the country, PML-N sources told Daily Times on Monday.

The source said Pakistan accounts for less than one percent of India’s trade and India less than five percent of Pakistan’s trade, while the economy of Pakistan was better off when 70 percent of its trade with India and more than 60 percent of India’s export went to Pakistan in the early 50s before the war, which subsequently resulted in tougher borders and shutting corridors of trade between the two countries.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 18 Jan 2011 22:29

KLNMurthy wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:shiv saar is 100% correct. The RAPE era is over. And it is a good thing. Pakistan is destined to be the most islamic country in the history of the world. May Pak fulfill her destiny. Satyamev jayate.
+400%

Major Brofound on Paki Democracy's Birth

Astute observations in the blog

vic · Post by **vic** » 18 Jan 2011 22:34

shiv wrote:The descendants of Ayub Khan - the Salman Taseers. Maleehas Lodhis and co seem to me to be getting both redundant and desperate. They ruled the roost all these decades, cotrolling their pure islamic brethren with promises of glory in India while making the Americans and the West in general eat out of their hands by their style, demeanor and hospitality. The sheen they had built up appears to be fading - and they are clutching at straws - and trying to hold on the he friendships (and babies) they had with the WKKs of India and the blind men of the American cold war.

Please archive this post and shame me in a few years time if I am wrong. Or mock me if I am dead. These guys have had it. The time for Islam minus the "moderate, secular, westernized elite" to rule Pakistan is coming

I think Saudi Arabia will follow

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jan 2011 22:35

No. TSP is special case of Islamism gone viral. KSA is confident of its ownership of Islam.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 18 Jan 2011 22:37

From Major sahab's blog (comments):

Mehreen Kasana says:
January 18, 2011 at 12:35 pm

You’re on WordPress now? (I guess motorham got quite a turn and several about-turns on learning that)

Anil Kohli says:
January 18, 2011 at 12:43 pm

You are so outrageously refreshing yet always drive home the point.

Love you for that. No I am not gay it is figure of speech before you start to get any fanciful ideas.

God Bless you.

Sincerely
Anil Kohli

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jan 2011 22:48

Is Kasana a derivative of Kasab which is Pakjabi for kasai?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Jan 2011 23:07

arun wrote:Speaking of Pakistan’s Islamic fixation King Farouk / Faruq of Egypt on Pakistan‘s Islamic fixation quoted in “Mainsprings of Indian and Pakistani foreign policies” by S. M. Burke (Pages 138 and 139) :

King Faruq was reported to have ridiculed Pakistan's devotion to Islamic causes by saying to his courtiers, “Don't you know that Islam was born on 14 August 1947.”

I think Burke's subsequent words are also relevant:

Secondly, faithful to the Quranic injunction that all Muslims are brothers, Pakistanis fervently believed that the individual problems of the various Muslim countries were the joint concern of all the Muslims in the world, but Egyptian leaders held a different view. Azzam Pasha, the first secretary of the Arab League, declared, "We are Egyptians first, Arabs second and Muslims third." President Gamal Abdel Nasser also placed Islamic brotherhood in the third and last circle, after the Arab circle and the African Continent circle. He told Pakistanis to their face that he was opposed to the formation of a Muslim bloc because, "I do not want to use Islam in international politics."...

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 19 Jan 2011 00:49

http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=9673

Youth who fell from plane, identified

After the passage of six days, the youth was identified as Qasim Siddique. His father Muhammed Siddique, a resident of Darughawala, has an electronics shop. Qasim, who was Matriculation student, has six brothers and two sisters.

According to his family, Qasim went to school along with his friends Ali Jamshed; but, the two friends could not return.

I guess one got thru.

And six brother and 2 sisters..

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 19 Jan 2011 01:48

Major news outlets reporting that a magnitude 7.4 earthquake has hit pakistan. If allah is merciful, the epicenter will be the GHQ in pindi.

archan · Post by **archan** » 19 Jan 2011 01:49

Theo_Fidel wrote: And six brother and 2 sisters..

Afterall pakis need to claim that theirs is the "fastest growing religion in the world" to feel better about themselves, don't they?
Even if some of them have to find ridiculous ways to escape. The kid probably grew up reading stories about people travelling on flying carpets happily and had no idea what air travel on an airplane is like.... and that the plane's landing gear folds up after taking off so you can't hold on to it...
More than that it shows how their airport security is...

rohiths · Post by **rohiths** » 19 Jan 2011 01:53

The earthquake is 28.827°N, 63.974°E.Baluchistan province.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 19 Jan 2011 02:24

Isn't that where those Nukes were tested.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jan 2011 02:28

What depth? If its shallow (less than a mile) then its not nature.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 19 Jan 2011 02:34

ramana wrote:What depth? If its shallow (less than a mile) then its not nature.

The earthquake occurred at 1:23 a.m. (3:23 p.m. Tuesday ET) at a depth of 84 kilometers (52 miles).

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... tml?hpt=T2.

another round of begging will start ....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jan 2011 02:36

OK! Just an eqk not anyting else. However lets see its effects on Baloch nationalism. How far from Quetta?