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My thoughts exactly ! If one takes a weighted average of population, a TFR of 3 can only happen if WANA/FATA have a negative TFRRCase wrote:Pigs being bred to be slaughtered
OK. Which province Ayeshas and Abduls are non pious and have a low TFR to pull the overall average down to 3.0; while the rest of the country is clocking around 4? Can some learned maulaner help clarify the Madrassa Math on population statistics?Pakistan has a population of 180 million; it contains 2.58 per cent of the world’s population and is the sixth most populous country in the world. Its total fertility rate (TFR) is three, which is the highest when compared with the world birth rate of 1.1 per cent. Economically, Pakistan has no more than three per cent economic growth — almost equal to the birth rate — clearly showing unstable economic growth.
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During the recent democratic government’s rule, Balochistan had a TFR of 4.1 and there seemed to be no activity by the Population Welfare Department in the province. Sindh and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa have had a TFR of 4.3 for the last 10 years and no significant progress has been made. Punjab also has a TFR of 3.9 and again, the Population Welfare Department lagged behind and only remained engaged for five long years with the health department on power transfers.
!! However, the learned Maulaner seems to have got confused between TFR and birth rate. The 2 are quite different.You can also call a friend or have the audience chime in. But this election code is indeed onerous when combined with the requirement that the candidate must also have a college degree (not a fake one from a correspondence course). Wow! College degree and Koran-versed. The prefect candidate. Djinnah would have passed this test with flying colors. I wonder if this tribal motormama who recently announced her candidacy will meet the strict EC requirements?Anand K wrote:Quran questionnaire? Is there a Rapid fire round? A Multiple Choice round? Sudden Death Round? Why am I reminded of that scene from Indiana Jones the Holy Grail?
Badam Zari, the first tribal woman to come forward to contest for a National Assembly seat from Bajaur Agency
It is not in the least bit clear to me as to why we need a separate BENIS thread when we have this one. Better still I vote for shutting down this thread and continuing all discussions on BENISNarad wrote:Ijjlamic comedy continues in Al-bakistan.
Candidates for the May 11 elections to undergo quran test.
KARACHI: Before joining the race for parliament, candidates for the May 11 elections may have to prove their ‘adequate knowledge’ of Islamic teachings and the Quran and may be requested to recite a ‘Sura’ or particular Quranic verses and answer questions about the number of ‘rakats’ in any of the five daily prayers.
But according to some political parties, this is an “astounding addition” to the process of scrutiny. However, the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has described it as being in conformity with ‘constitutional’ requirements.What a senior ECP official termed a process of “ruthless” scrutiny began on Monday with a number of candidates appearing before returning officers had to answer different questions, including those about religious injunctions.
One such case was recorded by TV channels when Owais Muzaffar Tappi, PPP candidate for a Sindh Assembly seat and President Asif Ali Zardari’s close aide, was asked about the number of Namaz one is required to offer in a day. He took a couple of seconds to tell the number of ‘rakats’ in Fajr prayers.In Hyderabad region, nomination papers of a Muttahida Qaumi Movement candidate were rejected during scrutiny. The party says if lack of knowledge about Islamic teaching was declared as the reason behind the rejection, it would challenge the process of scrutiny.“Papers of one of our candidates from Matiari were rejected by the returning officer,” said Advocate Aslam Pervez of the MQM’s legal aid committee. “The reason is not yet mentioned but the candidate was asked several questions about Islamic teachings and if it would be the cause of the rejection we would definitely file an appeal.”He said returning officers had no authority to ask such questions, adding that a person’s faith could not be gauged through questions relating more to his memory than his knowledge about Islam and its teachings.
But a senior ECP official justified the questions and said that under article 62 (e) of the constitution candidates were required to have adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings.“There is no harm in asking such questions if the returning officers want to satisfy themselves about an important element of the qualification clauses”, he said.The article 62 of the constitution explains the criterion of “qualifications for member of Majlis-i-Shoora (parliament)” and its clause (e) reads: “He has adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings and practices obligatory duties prescribed by Islam as well as abstains from major sins.”But political parties deem it “inappropriate” to judge any candidate’s knowledge about Islamic teachings through a set of questions. They argue that memorising answers of certain questions could not determine anyone’s faith.“Nomination papers of our party candidates have not been rejected because of that particular reason but I still believe that testing a candidate’s faith in Islam through his memory is not appropriate,” said the Awami National Party’s provincial general secretary Bashir Jan. “One can’t reject any honest and upright candidate just because he has not learnt any Quranic verse by heart.”Rashid Rabbani of the PPP agreed with Mr Jan and said:“I don’t think it’s justified to weigh one person’s knowledge of Islamic teachings through these questions.”
That's been the magic number for many al bakis. The pigs actually crossed the 190 M mark in July last year. Must be around 200 M by now with the fertile breeding grounds pakiland has to offer. Remember, in 1998, they were only 132 Million. Clicky
Responded here!shiv wrote:The West has learned this trick of manipulating the Muslim elite for their own ends
Effing heck, with those rates they'll be hitting half a billion mark sooner than I thought. A time bomb would be an understatement.anupmisra wrote:.....
That's been the magic number for many al bakis. The pigs actually crossed the 190 M mark in July last year. Must be around 200 M by now with the fertile breeding grounds pakiland has to offer. Remember, in 1998, they were only 132 Million. Clicky
I can only laugh at your ignorance sir, then again a dirty Kafir like you will never get it.Narad wrote:Ijjlamic comedy continues in Al-bakistan.
Candidates for the May 11 elections to undergo quran test.
What a deep shit this so called nation is in!! My humble AoA to the Paindoo fcuklamist Aholes of al-bakistan.But a senior ECP official justified the questions and said that under article 62 (e) of the constitution candidates were required to have adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings.“There is no harm in asking such questions if the returning officers want to satisfy themselves about an important element of the qualification clauses”, he said.The article 62 of the constitution explains the criterion of “qualifications for member of Majlis-i-Shoora (parliament)” and its clause (e) reads: “He has adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings and practices obligatory duties prescribed by Islam as well as abstains from major sins.
But wait. Does this also not speak of Amreekan stupidity. Does it now show how the tide has turned for the dashing pair of Amreekah and TSP. I would say that this is a effete , b@ll-less , cowardly attempt at the Pakis. The Pakis whipped Amreekis , made a fool of them since 2001 in a war that cost $1Beeelllion a week , got paid for that and in the end, shoving some real "moderate Taliban's" ***** down Uncle Sam's t***at.amit wrote:I recently caught the new G I Joe movie which has been banned in Pakistan.
While the ostensible reason for the ban is that the opening scene shows the Paki nukes falling into the hands of terrorists and the Joes snatching them back, I think the real reason for the ban is further into the film.
Without giving away the plot let's just say that at the climax of the movie we have a scene where the leaders of all nuclear power states are seated at a negotiating table and the Indian PM has a pretty prominent part to play there both in calling the US "president" mad and in pushing the trigger to start bomb delivery. Heck you even had a North Korean guy in the scene.
So you have on the one hand Pakistan depicted in its true colours of terror central from where the Joes have to go and snatch the illegal nukes and you have India depicted as a big nuclear power along with France, Russia, Britain, China, Israel and even NoKo.
No wonder the Pakis got their chaddis in a twist. This film is following a trend of depicting the bad guys of being always based in Pakistan. The country has supplanted the "small Middle East country ruled by a dictator" as the source of all the evil which American special ops guys go in and destroy. And yes you had this pretty female Joe kick a**s of some guys dressed up exactly like the Talibunnies! Ouch!
What a fall for the TFTA self esteem. And like it or not, such movies shape public perception of foreign countries in Middle America.
Question Paper for the candidates.Narad wrote:Ijjlamic comedy continues in Al-bakistan.
Candidates for the May 11 elections to undergo quran test.
What a deep shit this so called nation is in!! My humble AoA to the Paindoo fcuklamist Aholes of al-bakistan.KARACHI: Before joining the race for parliament, candidates for the May 11 elections may have to prove their ‘adequate knowledge’ of Islamic teachings and the Quran and may be requested to recite a ‘Sura’ or particular Quranic verses and answer questions about the number of ‘rakats’ in any of the five daily prayers.....
Actually this is worrying because, remember Tarek Fatah's recent interview? He says if only Pakistan and India remain united, Indian-subcontinent could have been the home of largest population of Muslims. And Tarek Fatah too at one level is an islamic dreamer after all. Islam first all the time. Now if one imagines TSP as a petri dish, with a well controlled culture of Islamic virus being grown. Other remnant cultures like Hinduism etc culled and virulent strain of malsi to thrive enabled by Sharia, what do you get? Now our Aman-ki-Asha guys are so eager to bring back the glory of Unified South Asia by releasing the virulent potent culture into India. This might not happen, but what if it does? Add to this, how this culture is nurtured and sustained by US. So in time it will only grow more virulent getting ready to explode it pods into its neighborhood.That's been the magic number for many al bakis. The pigs actually crossed the 190 M mark in July last year. Must be around 200 M by now with the fertile breeding grounds pakiland has to offer. Remember, in 1998, they were only 132 Million. Clicky
I respectfully disagree. For us long-time India-TSP-US watchers, several things are clear:Bheeshma wrote:Both uneven cohen and reidel are retards that no one in Delhi takes seriously. Pakistan is in a race to civil war India can wait and watch or act and accelerate the process.
Yes Tarek is an islamic dreamer. If pakistan and india had been united we would be having permanent civil war in united india and half of hinduism would have been wiped out. The so called secular/moderate muslims are more dangerous than jehadi hitman. Muslims when they find themselves with kafirs will first destroy kafirs and their culture and their way of life. After that they will screw each other. India is united because most of India is populated by hindu majority population. Wherever there is muslim majority like kashmir or even christian majority like nagaland there is war.venug wrote: Actually this is worrying because, remember Tarek Fatah's recent interview? He says if only Pakistan and India remain united, Indian-subcontinent could have been the home of largest population of Muslims. And Tarek Fatah too at one level is an islamic dreamer after all. Islam first all the time. Now if one imagines TSP as a petri dish, with a well controlled culture of Islamic virus being grown. Other remnant cultures like Hinduism etc culled and virulent strain of malsi to thrive enabled by Sharia, what do you get? Now our Aman-ki-Asha guys are so eager to bring back the glory of Unified South Asia by releasing the virulent potent culture into India. This might not happen, but what if it does? Add to this, how this culture is nurtured and sustained by US. So in time it will only grow more virulent getting ready to explode it pods into its neighborhood.
Well said. His whole world view is centered around islam. We indians should not accept these guys. If they are really good and moderate then let them stay back in pakistan and clean up the mess there. Why poke your nose here.Surasena wrote:^^
Ah yes Tarek Fatah the "humanist" who thinks the biggest "losers" of Partition were Muslims not their millions of victims.
Carry out genocide with the help of British turds & you are the "loser" deserving sympathy not your victims.
He is also on twitter talking against Indians who don't want BD illegals. He essentially sees no wrong with millions of pious BD's flooding into India.
We should not allow any muslim whether moderate or secular or athiest muslim or whatever from pakistan or bangladesh. They have their own country and they can do whatever they want there. Why don't they go and live in saudi arabia or 50 other muslim majority countries, they have muslim brotherhood all over the world. We should allow only hindus, sikhs, and budhdhists from pakistan or bangladesh to settle in India as they have nowhere else to go.venug wrote:I can give it to him for opposing TSP and saying as it is. But he also claims he is Indian and that his fore fathers were Hindus to begin with, yet accidentally he divulged his dream of an unified India with highest muslim population in the world, so he likes the idea at some level and he wants islamism of a particular hue he cherishes to take over India. A snake is a snake. We better be careful, we can't just laugh and nod just because he now speaks ill about TSP. Snakes sooner or later will bite the hand that feeds. Of the four sama dana, bheda and danda ways, he is announcing a soft coup, the sama - praise, mutual benefits etc he heaps on India, but his inner Pakistaniyat is intact. In fact he will pull the rug under the feet of India as and when he thinks India has fallen from his grace.
Shiv, I agree with you most of what have said. I want to point out even less educated or uneducated muslims can turn against islam. I have read that many of those who have gone through shudhdhi ceremony through arya samaj in the past have been poor less educated muslims of india. I do not have much hope on educated muslims.shiv wrote:
No I think you have misinterpreted my statement. I am not getting into that fake argument of educated/uneducated. In Islam, only the educated have a remote chance of being exposed to what is wrong and understanding it. They get killed/exiled if they so much as squeak about it. Many more educated Islamists like Osama and the Paki elite remain Islamist because they can use the uneducated Muslims as ready assassins while they retain power. It is the educated Islamists who can pretend to be moderate and still maintain relations with the west and the uneducated Muslims soosai masses. In fact Saddam, Gadhafi, Osama, the Paki establishment are all examples of educated Muslim elite who used their own masses as fighters for their own or someone else's cause. (or both)
But when Osama stopped listening to the west, he was eliminated. Same thing for Gadaafi and Saddam. The Paki army and ISI are still slaves of the west. Ultimately they take money from the west to try and stop the west's applecart from being upset. The Taliban need to get out of their control and stop being vicarious servants of the west. They will continue to murder, but the educated elite who are currently using them (Pak Army/ISI) will lose their power over them and their ability to make the mad uneducated Islamists follow the porders of the west.
The Taliban have understood that the Paki army and ISI are ultimately slaves of America. As long as the US-Paki army combine keep the Taliban in check the cosy relationship of western powers controlling idiot Muslims masses will continue. It is the way the western powers control the elite Muslims that makes Islamism more dangerous to non western nations. If the Taliban are allowed to become their murderous selves, out of the control of the slave Pakistan army and their western masters it will be easier to expose true Islam to the whole world.
I have no doubt about this/ I have Muslim friends who know the reality and distil what they want from islam. But in Islam the poorer and weaker you are the smaller your chances of rebelling. You have to be elite/educated. You then have two choicesakashganga wrote: I want to point out even less educated or uneducated muslims can turn against islam.
+108. Very succinctly put. These people seem to want to have their cake(Malsi) and eat it too(no green on green) and also dream of ghazwa-e-hind.Cosmo_R wrote:Tarek Fatah is no different Irfan Husain or Kamran Shafi or even our own MJAkbar. All 'moderates' who bemoan radical Islam and partition but are closet Mughalistas. Undivided India under Muslim rule is their utopia.
Link to original postbrihaspati wrote:^^^The Mughals provided second of the two fronts within Indian Islamism. The previous period was a single front with intra-front competition for leadership. To a large extent the mughals were the late arrivals, the neo-converts - who retained their west-Turkmenistan+pre-Islamic Persian + Indo-Buddhist-CAR-pagan threads.
Its the kind of frontal conflict between two sides in Islam, that arises when one front is a late-convert and is unable to completely relinquish pre-Islamic foundations. This was the conflict that created BD. In a way, the Mughal-TurkoAfghan competition destroyed the power basis of Arabic Islam in India.
Neither came with "sympathies" or identifications with pre-Islamic India. The Mughals by successfully centralizing Islamic control over much of India, thereby denuded it of resources, destroyed the economy eventually - and cleared the way for Brit takeover.
AoA, the score has improved.Jhujar wrote:Just Another Misgiving Day in Islamic Paradize" Allah Har Din Frydin Karde
Rocket attack on Peshawar’s grid station kills two
PESHAWAR: At least two people were killed when unknown assailants fired rocket at a grid station in Peshawar’s Budh Berh area in the early hours of Tuesday morning, DawnNews reported.
According to police, the attack killed a policeman and Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) employee adding that the grid station was completely destroyed in the incident.Soon after the attack, electricity went off and the area plunged into darkness.Moreover, the incident spread fear among residents of the area.Police cordoned off the area after the attack and started investigations
With 4 people missing, the chances of score reaching 11 is good:DThey then entered the station and set numerous fires before kidnapping nine people – later killing five of them and throwing their bodies in fields, he said.
Peshawar gets just a couple of hours of power a day, this "extra power load shedding" means no power at all."This 500-kilovolt grid station was the biggest power grid station of the province and has completely been damaged. People may face some extra power load shedding
Excellent analysis. I would like to share my 2 cents. Any kind of reformation of Malsi by subcontinental muglistanis, forget it. Malsi is of arabia, by arabia, for arabia. However you dice and slice the various ways Malsi has manifested in the subcontinent the true Malsi is what is practiced in modern day KSA. All followers of Malsi will eventually fall into the KSA version eventually. For any true reformation it has to happen first in arabia. Any reform efforts in the subcontinent will be quickly noted by their masters in arabia and will be put down firmly.johneeG wrote:
Essentially, these people seem to want a reformation of Malsi. What kind of reformation? A reformation where the sharia is not insisted upon, where one need not grow beard or wear short pyjamas, where one need not insist on hijab, where one can swill whisky(if one wants to)...etc. In short, they want the Malsi to learn from west(and its EJs) and become 'sophisticated', instead of being 'crude'.
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There has been a steady and gradual increase in demands for more adherence to purest form of Malsi. The problem is compounded by the fact that there is disagreement on the purest form of Malsi. And this is not really new. It started long back as soon as the Mughals came.
Both Mughals and Sultanate were equally bad as far as the Kaffirs are concerned. But, there is an internal conflict of ideas.
ramana wrote:The non-Arab reformists will be Ahmediyafied. Even Ali the Prophet's cousin and son-in-law was excluded to another sect!
SLAMABAD: The construction of a border checkpost has sparked a new feud between Pakistan and neighbouring Afghanistan, with the latter already having accused the other of cross-border shelling and trying to undermine prospects of peace with the Afghan Taliban.In a meeting with Pakistan Ambassador to Afghanistan Mohammad Sadiq on Monday, Afghan Deputy Foreign Minister Jawed Ludin expressed his concerns over what it called “Pakistani military’s unilateral construction and physical reinforcement activities along the Durand Line.”According to the Afghan deputy foreign minister, the construction of the Pakistani military checkpost close to the Goshta district of Nangarhar province is “against all accepted international norms, provocative and unacceptable to the Afghan government.”“According to Afghan border police reports, these unilateral activities began a while ago along the Durand Line near the villages of Hatam Kalai and Kodzarai in Goshta district,” said a press release issued by the Afghan foreign ministry.Pakistan, however, brushed aside Ludin’s concerns, calling the construction work routine renovation on an old post.“Pakistan has an old post called Gursal well inside Pakistani territory bordering Nangarhar Province of Afghanistan, which is under routine renovation,” said Foreign Office spokesman Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry on Tuesday.
Pakistani youth favour Sharia law over democracy, a British Council survey suggests. More than half of 5,000 18-29 year-old Pakistanis polled said democracy had not been good for them or the country.
Most of those surveyed had more faith in the army than any other institution: Its approval rating was about 70% compared with just 13% for the government.