Actually its a congress creation and exploited by media. No one has been able to provide even a remote shred of evidence, let alone, a tangible theory about why it is so.Muppalla wrote: (6) It is not a media creation (but a media exploitation)
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Sanku ji, regarding this :Sanku wrote:Actually its a congress creation and exploited by media. No one has been able to provide even a remote shred of evidence, let alone, a tangible theory about why it is so.Muppalla wrote: (6) It is not a media creation (but a media exploitation)
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OTOH, I am glad that on the forum, D4 has shrunk to LKA-SS. In a few days even that excuse will be gone.
No offence but one must be blind to miss the spoilers that Shri LKA has thrown in the party, his resignation, backing of SS, blog posts, criticism of NaMo on 15th August and all the other machinations of his that have weakened BJP. If the old man had devoted half that energy to overthrow the most corrupt & anti national government India has ever seen, things would have been very, very different.No one has been able to provide even a remote shred of evidence
मूदें आँखि कतहुँ कोउ नाहीं॥Sanku wrote:Actually its a congress creation and exploited by media. No one has been able to provide even a remote shred of evidence, let alone, a tangible theory about why it is so.Muppalla wrote: (6) It is not a media creation (but a media exploitation)
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OTOH, I am glad that on the forum, D4 has shrunk to LKA-SS. In a few days even that excuse will be gone.
No offence taken Chandragupta-ji; I will actually welcome this debate rather than getting called names. At least this allows me to respond to the various points.Chandragupta wrote: No offence but one must be blind to miss the spoilers that Shri LKA has thrown in the party, his resignation, backing of SS, blog posts, criticism of NaMo on 15th August and all the other machinations of his that have weakened BJP. If the old man had devoted half that energy to overthrow the most corrupt & anti national government India has ever seen, things would have been very, very different.
For most of the 4,000-odd farmers who have converged on Gandhinagar for the Vibrant Gujarat Global Agricultural Summit, the swank and sprawling complex of the Mahatma Mandir is a different world. All plugs have been pulled out to make this initiative, an obvious exercise by the Gujarat Chief Minister and prime minister hopeful Narendra Modi, to connect with this huge rural constituency, a success.
The farmers hailing from remote corners of India and 542 districts — a figure surprisingly close to the number of Lok Sabha seats — are being virtually treated as VIPs. While the total cost of the travel and accommodation of the large number of awardees — each getting a cash award of Rs 51,000 for their exemplary farming practices — has been borne by the organisers, all that the remaining farmers have had to dish out is the cost of their train ticket.
“For us from Tamil Nadu, this meant only an expenditure of Rs 1,250 for the return ticket on Navjeevan Express from Chennai,” says an excited Prabhakaran, a paddy farmer from Thiruvannamalai in Tamil Nadu. A delegation of 140 farmers is attending this meet from Tamil Nadu. “We were met at the Ahmedababd station and have been put up in a very comfortable place.”
Adds fellow farmer Uma Lenin from Vellore, “The food is super, and each group of 40 has been given a bus with our own driver, so we’ve not had to spend a penny after landing here.”
The 200-strong delegation from Punjab is even more privileged. Accompanied by few officials from the Punjab Agricultural Department, even their travel cost (“including our meals in the train,” says Bhatinder Singh Sarkari, a Punjab farmer) has been borne by their Government, and “we’ve been given AC rooms in a hotel which would cost Rs 4,000 or more a night…. We are three to a room, and are delighted with the VIP treatment we’re receiving here,” he beams.
best practices
The farmers have been invited here to not only honour the high performers from across the country, but also to give them an opportunity to learn about the best practices in agriculture not only from researchers and technical experts but also by sharing their experiences. The accent is on increased productivity, higher yield and diversified, high value farming. The endeavour is also to connect them with the best technology and modern agri equipment and implements available to increase their yield and reduce their dependence on labour at a time when labour for farm operations is becoming prohibitively expensive.
Over 200 companies from 15 nations are showcasing their farm implements and machinery at the accompanying exhibition. A large contingent of the national media has been invited and the importance of this meet to Modi can be seen from his presence on the first day not only through the entire inaugural session lasting over three hours but also at the subsequent Kisan Panchayat post lunch. About 10,000 farmers participated in this Panchayat. And then he dashed back after addressing the Jaipur BJP rally on Tuesday to address the valedictory session of the farmers’ summit.
Most of the Gujarat ministers were found attending the different sessions and senior bureaucrats too had been directed to give this meet their undiluted attention. Ample arrangements were made at different parts of the huge complex for lunch and there was no dearth of water bottles, Amul buttermilk cartons, ice cream and other refreshments, all on the house of course.
More than one farmer I spoke to had only one sentiment to express: Finally somebody has recognised the worth and value of the Indian farmer.
Sanku ji, The surge was and is happening in spite of LKA and not because of him. I agree that he has brought BJP to where it is today. But in the last 10 years he has been unable to provide even a semblance of effective opposition. There is no dearth of issues, but hardly any action on BJP's part as main opposition party. This is where LKA has failed. This is not an accusation but it does look like that he has been compromised.Sanku wrote:
If the polls are to be believed, BJP was already surging ahead, even before NaMo came on national stage (which is recent phenomena) -- and when it was only a chance that NaMo will be the candidate. This is at the national level.
(Tears in eyes) Heart warming
Well it is simple, as a general statement -- if we blame LKA for the ills of BJP under his stewardship (as we should), we need to assign the uptick to him. It is only fair.darshhan wrote: Sanku ji, The surge was and is happening in spite of LKA and not because of him..
He has already announced his retirement for all practical purposes in 2011 itself. When he chose to make SS the leader of opposition in LS, it was clear he has passed the baton on. The question is who, and to make the transition in a way that infighting does not break up BJP.SaiK wrote:my nitpick on advani is not about his failures within the party.. anyway, we can always have someone substantiate the failures with factors that made the failures as a reason than advani's capability. my point is he just quit point blank from all positions recently.. why did he do it? that does not make him a good leader. he is a quitter.
You have just shown yourself to be communal and not secular!RamaY wrote:(Tears in eyes) Heart warming
Our Annadatas have the first right on Bharatiya resources.
Sanku ji, For one BJP couldn't step up the issue of corruption indulged by Robert Vadra/Sonia Gandhi. Before Narendra Modi I have not heard any BJP leader targetting Nehru Gandhi dynasty on a continuous and consistent basis.Sanku wrote:
Further more, I always see the complaint of "BJP was not effective opposition" -- I always challenge the assertions with specific actions taken by BJP and ask what exactly are people saying that BJP should be effective opposition in what way ? I have not see any one take up my challenge yet.
Seriously?darshhan wrote:There is no dearth of issues that BJP could have raised and didn't. Can you imagine a road in Israel named after Hitler? In Delhi we have a road named after Aurangzeb. Chakka jam kar dena chahiye tha.
Yes. Although I would blame other BJP leaders(national level ones) than LKA. LKA is already above 80. Let's leave him alone. These other leaders don't have the stomach for hard work. Atleast you can't fault LKA for lack of hard work.Sanku wrote:Seriously?darshhan wrote:There is no dearth of issues that BJP could have raised and didn't. Can you imagine a road in Israel named after Hitler? In Delhi we have a road named after Aurangzeb. Chakka jam kar dena chahiye tha.
Minor correction, NaMo has not raised a issue of corruption against Sonia Gandhi, YET. He did raise the issue of Vadara, but only now, it has been raised in parliament in tandem as well. There is no reason to say, that when NaMo raises the issue is the great and when others raise its meh -- other than charisma (will get to it later)darshhan wrote:Sanku ji, For one BJP couldn't step up the issue of corruption indulged by Robert Vadra/Sonia Gandhi. Before Narendra Modi I have not heard any BJP leader targetting Nehru Gandhi dynasty on a continuous and consistent basis.Sanku wrote:
Further more, I always see the complaint of "BJP was not effective opposition" -- I always challenge the assertions with specific actions taken by BJP and ask what exactly are people saying that BJP should be effective opposition in what way ? I have not see any one take up my challenge yet.
Well LKA based his entire 2009 campaign on corruption. So it is not correct to say that the issue was not raised. No one gave a damn. That is the reality.LKA or for that matter any BJP leader never had such courage.
Come on Sir, we are no where near that. Let us first get BJP/NaMo to save Hindu lives in West UP shall we.darshhan wrote:YesSanku wrote:"darshhan">>There is no dearth of issues that BJP could have raised and didn't. Can you imagine a road in Israel named after Hitler? In Delhi we have a road named after Aurangzeb. Chakka jam kar dena chahiye tha.
Seriously?
thats all those who voted congress or vote congress -- as simple as that.SaiK wrote:my anger at kangrez, and against those responsible for kangrez at helm will remain.
What I am trying to point out is the lack of imagination on the part of so called national level BJP leaders apart from LKA. LKA has become old so let us not overburden him. I understand that victory is never gained in miles but inches. But if you don't even start, how will things get done. One of the key demand of a BJP voter is the fufilment of Hindu aspirations. If BJP leaders decide to shun it, BJP starts looking like Congress B team.Sanku wrote:
Come on Sir, we are no where near that. Let us first get BJP/NaMo to save Hindu lives in West UP shall we.
Arent we being too unrealistic here? I see the wish list for NaMo and wonder if bhagwan Ram can do all that clean up that NaMo is at least expected do in first 10 minutes of office. These are all unrealistic hopes and wishes, also fuel unrealistic anger at others.
darshan-ji; I have no disagreements what so ever with you. Hopefully NaMo will be the change that will make the difference. I am merely trying to point out that name-calling of LKA/BJP may not be the realistic assessment of the ground situation. But in any case I dont find myself in any significant difference with you.darshhan wrote: What I am trying to point out is the lack of imagination on the part of so called national level BJP leaders apart from LKA. LKA has become old so let us not overburden him. I understand that victory is never gained in miles but inches. But if you don't even start, how will things get done. One of the key demand of a BJP voter is the fufilment of Hindu aspirations. If BJP leaders decide to shun it, BJP starts looking like Congress B team.
Well firstly the concept of Dharma and it's definition has been there from the vedic times now if foreigners call this ancient culture of ours as Hinduism and that nomenclature holds then one cannot be a Hindu without being a Dharmic. When someone who is a Hindu in true sense (I mean not because his passport says so) wishes that India were a Hindu state it implies that it be a Dharmic state. I think that you do not like the word Hindu or have mistaken it for a RSS/VHP ideology and hence are trying to classify the two as separate entities when actually Dharma is just one aspect of Hinduism.harbans wrote:There is a difference between being Dharmic and being Hindu. It is subtle. Every Hindu is not Dharmic, and every Dharmic is not a Hindu. When one comprehends this, he will never wish India is a Hindu state, he will always strive for a Dharmic one.
Harbans ji, This is your perception.harbans wrote:There is a difference between being Dharmic and being Hindu. It is subtle. Every Hindu is not Dharmic, and every Dharmic is not a Hindu. When one comprehends this, he will never wish India is a Hindu state, he will always strive for a Dharmic one. The last times India reconciled under a Dharmic banner was in the Mahabharata against Kaurava's an epic battle and the Dharmic side won. When we rally under the right symbols, right cause, right values it resonates deep within individuals. It eliminates a lot of noise and nonsense arising out of conflicts that inevitably bear out when we align with an unnatural religious or value system. If you see deeper all organized religion with hierarchy, autocracy are cults not religion. Yes Xtianity and Islam are cults. Dharma only eludes the cult status because it has an interchangeable duality between duty and righteousness and the sublimity to understanding probably lies within this interchangeability. An organized Hindu state evokes the imagery of a cult based state and possibly morphogenic vibes somehow don't get the critical masses to really gel with the idea even in as devastated a nation like India. The best chances for any cult (that is organized, autocratic and hierarchical setup) to be absorbed is the declaration of a Dharmic state as opposed to a Hindu/ Hindutva one. It does not dilute any aspect of the Hindutva in it, it only merges moderate elements of waywards cult on the evolving path to Sanatana Dharma. Terminology sometimes confuses and Hinduism does too. Either we take a complete break and refer only to SD and root for the declaration of a Dharmic State. Think about it.
No every Dharmic is never going to be Dharmic. It's an evolution to the perfect mix of righteous and dutiful behavior. Every Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, Xtian may never strive to that ideal, yet every Dharmic however his failing in the quest is a striver towards that elusive goal. So any other nomenclature means a setback from the common strive towards a common goal of perfect Dharma..yet rallying behind Dharma, means an implicit understanding without necessarily being hierarchical or autocratic of the ideal to a common perfection. There in lies a unifying bond that will help those strivers achieve the necessary uniting force to destroy those united under a less evolves or devoid of a Dharmic framework. Think about it.."Every Hindu is not Dharmic, and every Dharmic is not a Hindu" is indeed true then one can also argue that "Not every Dharmic is actually a Dharmic"
JAIPUR: Never the one to miss an opportunity to disparage the Congress, Narendra Modi on Tuesday took up the cause of hapless Delhi-Jaipur commuters saying the National Highway 8 wasn't even worthy of being called a road. He was speaking at Rajasthan BJP chief Vasundhara Raje's rally on Tuesday.
"Instead of taking up Atal Bihari Vajpayee's work (of increasing infrastructure), the Congress is ensuring that no one can even walk on those roads. Delhi-Jaipur drive used to be a four-and-a-half hour journey. Now it takes seven hours. I am told even (Rajasthan governor) Margaret Alva has rated it saying it's not possible to walk on it anymore."
Modi's remark on NH-8 comes at a time when construction work, diversions, potholes and dust kicked up by vehicles have turned the once smooth ride into a nightmare. Recently, after much public outcry, Alva wrote to Union transport minister Oscar Fernandes, describing its abysmal condition and inviting him for a weekend to Jaipur to see things for himself.
"The Centre recently submitted an affidavit and accepted that of the roads built in the past 30 years, half of these were made during the NDA time," Modi said.
TOI has been campaigning for redeeming the highway, but its work is mired in red-tape causing delays in turning the four-lane highway into six-lane.
Using his oratorical skills, Modi said change is coming. "The change in the wind direction is a signal to the changing times in the state,'' said Modi to the cheering crowd. Referring to the "poisoned chalice" remarks of Congress general secretary Rahul Gandhi and Ashok Gehlot, he asked, "What is it in the land of Jaipur that reminds Congress leaders of poison?''
While Gehlot recently said he had been consuming poison referring perhaps to disaffection within state unit, Rahul had said earlier this year that he was warned by his mother and party president Sonia Gandhi that "power is poison".
"I was taught as a child that poison is antidote to poison. The reason Congressmen are searching for poison is because it must be required to digest the poison of corruption,'' said Modi. Congress is the ABCD of corruption, he said, where 'A' is for Adarsh scam, 'B' for Bofors and Bhanwari Devi, 'C' is for CWG and Coalgate while 'D' is for Defence and 'damaad ka karobar', he explained.
Such was the frenzied response to Modi's words that the Gujarat CM had to ask the crowds to be careful about their safety. "Those standing on the walls must take care, I fear you might get hurt. Please sit down, I'll speak only when people are safely seated," said Modi.
"I've never seen such a huge gathering. The largest crowd I'd seen was in 1999 when Atal Bihari Vajpayee spoke at Amroodon ka Bagh in 1999. But even that was just one-fourth of today's crowd," said Ratan Singh, a Jaipur resident.
"I am fortunate to witness this large crowd,'' Ratan Singh said, as the people chanted Modi's name which grew louder with every minute. After the speech of state BJP chief Vasundhara Raje, Modi himself rose and requested the crowds to be seated and stop the chanting.
A King is expected to know his land, soil and people.Sushupti wrote:Shri Narendra Modi at the Valedictory Function of Vibrant Gujarat
watch his reply to Shankar Singh Vaghela's question regarding why Gujarat Govt offering Rs51000 to the non Gujarati farmers.
perhaps they need to trace the identity of people did the fake video.Sushupti wrote: http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... r-pradesh/