Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Sep 2013 06:11

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 498201.cms

The numbers aren't good news for the BJP and Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, who are using high economic growth and investment in the western state as a key theme ahead of the 2014 general elections. Similarly, Karnataka, where the principal opposition was in power until recently, has lost sheen amid corruption-related charges. But Andhra Pradesh (Rs 11,000 crore) retained the fourth slot despite the state being hit by Telangana-related protests for the past several months, while Gujarat (Rs 10,600 crore) ranked fifth.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 12 Sep 2013 06:22

The Forest and the Village: A case for Cultural Nationalism

The Political level keeps the Individual level honest, and vice versa. ~~Sort of like how wives keeps their husbands honest and vice versa~~. Perhaps when Individuation is not balanced by contact with Political socialization, then it leads to ideological corruption - moral distortions. When Politicization is not balanced by relinquishment with a focus on Individuation, then it leads to material corruption - cultural and psycho-somatic malaise.

Cultural nationalism, not merely a civic nationalism, can help bridge this gap and restore balance. In cultural nationalism, the entire body politic can itself personify and individuate - around a form of the spiritual cynosure of its civilization. Thus, it can restore Control, Communication and a sense of Having and belonging. A useful experiment in cultural nationalism needs good-natured, wise, strong and skillful wizardry - the kind that Murli Manohar Joshi doesn't have.

In India, politicization for 60 years operated on a ramifying societal division of vested interests, done at the cost of some older categories of socialization. For a period, this was good for the nation and for democratic empowerment. The founding fathers of the US also agree in the Publius Papers that the greater the division and diversity of interest groups, the more stable a republican democracy. But the dereliction of higher-level civilizational awareness and values, education in the native humanities, and ethics at the individual level has caused a cancer in the political process within India. Rather than playing within the limits of a soft diversity, it has played into the hands of a hard lobby beholden to external forces. Because of the loss of this moral compass, the political process has been hijacked by forces with a fundamental hatred of the civilization's native substrate. Thus, at this delicate juncture, many Indians find themselves debating the 'Idea of India' parallel to the groundswell of anxiety about pervasive corruption. Not a bad start, though hopefully not too late.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 06:58

Modi’s friends race to beat stars

New Delhi, Sept. 11: BJP president Rajnath Singh is making one last effort to coax L.K. Advani to endorse Narendra Modi as candidate for Prime Minister, but is likely to go ahead with the announcement by the weekend whether the patriarch agrees or not.

Sources said Rajnath had had “no luck” so far. He called on Advani at his residence this morning but the meeting barely lasted half an hour. Advani iterated that the BJP should wait until the November-December state elections before announcing its candidate.

This is unacceptable to the RSS, which suspects he may use the “delay” to buy more time on a decision on Modi and leave the BJP with no option but to fight the 2014 polls without a face.

Prodded by the Sangh, Rajnath is eager to anoint Modi before the inauspicious shradh period sets in on September 19 and ready to disregard Advani but has been wary the disunity in the parivar could mar the show. The RSS too wants Modi’s elevation to be unanimous.

Yesterday, former party president Nitin Gadkari had visited Advani and asked him on behalf of the Sangh to announce Modi’s candidature in his capacity as the BJP’s seniormost leader. Advani said he was ready, provided the announcement was made after the year-end Assembly elections, the sources said.

Rajnath called on another veteran, Murli Manohar Joshi, tonight and is expected to either phone or visit other parliamentary board members over the next two days. His message: the RSS has cleared Modi’s name and, therefore, a formal announcement is in order. Sources close to Rajnath said it could come as early as Friday.

While Sushma Swaraj had teamed up with Advani, Joshi, too, is learnt to have had reservations on Modi’s hurried projection. Swaraj has said that she has spoken her mind but would abide by any decision the organisation takes, sources said. Joshi has been assured that as a party senior, his interests would be looked after.

In Thiruvananthapuram today, another senior leader Arun Jaitley said: “The writing on the wall is clear.... Whatever decisions we have to take, be rest assured, we will announce them very soon.”

Without naming Modi, Jaitley said: “When… the principal Opposition party is able to throw up a powerful and popular leader, then elections can also become quasi-presidential.”

Sources said Advani appeared reconciled that he cannot stop Modi’s projection but does not want to surrender without his pound of flesh.

“How can Modi be the chief minister of Gujarat, campaign committee chief and prime ministerial candidate at the same time,” asked a leader close to Advani, hinting that Modi should quit the other two posts.

Modi is unwilling to resign as Gujarat chief minister. He could be open to stepping down as campaign chief if a leader of his choice gets the post but Advani wants it to go to someone he chooses.

Party leaders are surprised by Advani’s dogged opposition since it has meant going against the Sangh.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130912/j ... 340515.jsp

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 12 Sep 2013 07:07

During the previous Tamasha at the time of the Goa meeting, the Israeli and US ambassadors had arrived at Advani's house, probably to egg him on.

One hears on twitter that this time, Advani's daughter (who reputedly controls her father) is abroad somewhere at this critical juncture.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Sep 2013 07:40

Interesting article about the transformation of the Jats in western UP.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 499368.cms

The Ram Janambhoomi-Babri Masjid churn couldn't shake the jats' loyalty to Ajit Singh's Rashtriya Lok Dal. Equally, the Muslims remained steadfast in their support for Mulayam Singh Yadav all these years. But this time around, these strong support bases appear to be developing cracks.

While SP, the ruling party in UP, is being blamed by Muslims for failing to protect them and, in some cases, for a collusive role in fomenting riots, the jats seem to be going with other Hindus and are looking up to BJP's Narendra Modi as their saviour from the state government's "misrule".

Needless to say, these fresh pulls could have a deep impact in the coming Lok Sabha election. It is clear that the riots have benefitted the BJP the most. It is also clear that the losers are Samajwadi Party and RLD.

In villages across Muzaffarnagar and Shamli districts, the common refrain among a substantial section of Hindus is, "Modi lao, desh bachao." Even RLD and Congress workers are singing paeans in praise of Modi while spewing venom against the Muslims and parties that "favour" them.

What did the reporter expect? That they would be willing martyrs on the altar of `secularism'?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 Sep 2013 08:55

The UnReal Times
Rahul Gandhi's speech was so moving that I moved from the sofa and turned off the Television (via @hardism from Twitter)

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 Sep 2013 09:01

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 12 Sep 2013 09:23

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 12 Sep 2013 10:11

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Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 10:21

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 10:24

Hindus need not wear a skull cap to become secular says Azam Khan. I hope Nitish is listening.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/azam ... 09227.html

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 12 Sep 2013 10:29

Sudheendra Kulkarni, is the ambassador. Somebody send out to represent the principal. So the principal can say through him what they want to say without fear of repercussions.

I think this is the first seriously damaging tweet he tweeted against NaMo. I am not there on teetar, so I would not know. But if it is so then this could signify the heat the Principal is facing.

Bhishma has finally choosen Duryodhan over the people of Hastinapur.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Sep 2013 10:31

Sushupti wrote:Hindus need not wear a skull cap to become secular says Azam Khan. I hope Nitish is listening.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/azam ... 09227.html

Hey Ram! Is Azam Khan the custodian of secularism now?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 10:34

Can NaMo do a NTR at national level?

At the age of 60 his Chaitanya Ratham (Chevrolet Van- read here,watch here, watch here) travelled close to 75,000 kms reaching every nook and corner of Andhra Pradesh. He ate with people, slept in his van, took bath on road side, such was his commitment to uproot congress from power. As an actor NTR was extremely popular in Andhra Pradesh but he took no chances against formidable Indira congress.

http://krishnarjun108.wordpress.com/

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 12 Sep 2013 10:40

The Nehru-Gandhi-Maino family government has cost India $120 trillion so far

Sushupti Ji, i posted that loss on this forum a number of times in this forum. The losses due to stunted growth due to bad policy. Was posted in the 'corruption' removal thread and others.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 10:46

harbans wrote:
The Nehru-Gandhi-Maino family government has cost India $120 trillion so far
Sushupti Ji, i posted that loss on this forum a number of times in this forum. The losses due to stunted growth due to bad policy. Was posted in the 'corruption' removal thread and others.

Harbans Ji, didn't see your post. Had no other intention.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 10:46

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 12 Sep 2013 10:49

No, i didn't post that link, just the facts that are pointed to in the post. SO it's good you posted those loss figures again

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 10:50

Retweet is by Sandhya Jain (Daughter of Girilal Jain) of vijayvaani.com

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 12 Sep 2013 10:54

Sir, these links i had pointed out these figures using the same logic:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... n#p1126174

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... n#p1110316

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 11:01

Narendra Modi-for-PM announcement will be 'disaster', LK Advani reportedly said

Mr Advani's stance, says sources, is unlikely to change the timing of a Modi announcement

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/naren ... 1378963984

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 11:33

Must have been really hard for NaMo to maintain his composure.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 12 Sep 2013 11:54

The west asia thread has a Putin Oped addressed to the American people. Link is OT here but that kind of language and audience interaction is important for NaMo too. Putin has made a great Oped plea in a language his target readership would understand without compromising on his own message.

I mean NaMo must write something in his own name even if only in Pioneer.

Putin - "We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law."
Obama - "My credibility isn't on the line, the international community's credibility is on the line,"

Now what would the international community think?

Do the same to the Hindu Hrudaya

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 12 Sep 2013 12:05

What does sudheendra Kulkarni actually do for a living? Media says he is an 'aide' to LKA.
'aide' conjures up image of ramlal, 'aide' to thakur of sholay fame holding a bucket behind him.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 12:06

WoW!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 12:14

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 12:30

Narendra Modi-for-PM announcement likely within 24 hours, say sources

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/n ... ces/290298

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 12:41

Loh Purush's lomdi is on Timesnow and openly accusing NaMo of polarizing his own party.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 12:46

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 12 Sep 2013 13:23

13:37 Live! Mulayam: Justice will be done in UP, unlike Gujarat: Mulayam Singh says strong action will be taken against those found guilty of inciting violence in Muzaffarpur.

Taking a potshot at the BJP and Narendra Modi in particular, Mulayam says justice was not done in Gujarat, but will be done in UP. "I don't play communal politics," he says.

they can seems to avoid dragging guj/modi in everything

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 12 Sep 2013 13:37

^^^ That's good the more mullah yadav opens his mouth the more he does good for the BJP, I hope he brings in Gujarat in his further blabbering as well.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 14:34

BJP Parliamentary Board meeting TOMORROW at 12:15 PM & Press Conference to announce NaMo as PM candidate

The time, 12:15 pm, on Friday, was chosen specifically for the anointment. Rahu Kaal, an inauspicious time, is between 10:30 am to 12 pm, so astrologers have proposed 12:15 pm, which was also endorsed by Rajnath’s personal astrologer.

http://m.rediff.com/news/slide-show/sli ... 130912.htm

niran · Post by **niran** » 12 Sep 2013 14:40

at last NaMo will be announced as the pm canditate
tomorrow evening lka and party willing or unwilling
the manner in which lka is behaving shows Miano family
have his palls in their mutthi

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 12 Sep 2013 14:45

Mullahs, I have a question. What is the reason behind all this manana & samjhana of LKA? As far as I know :

1. He has little to zero vote pulling ability
2. He has no mass leader worth his/her salt in his camp (only SS and AK who cannot win a seat on their own)
3. He is 86 years old

What is the leverage he has that everyone from Shri Bhagwat to Rajnath Singh is running pillar to post just to convince him? I mean, why can't they just kick the senile man out of the party? Or better still, tell him to shove his opinion where the sun does not shine. Why is this not being done? And why is BJP giving way too much weightage to a has-been's opinion?

Does he know something?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Sep 2013 14:51

Chandragupta wrote:Mullahs, I have a question. What is the reason behind all this manana & samjhana of LKA? As far as I know :

1. He has little to zero vote pulling ability
2. He has no mass leader worth his/her salt in his camp (only SS and AK who cannot win a seat on their own)
3. He is 86 years old

What is the leverage he has that everyone from Shri Bhagwat to Rajnath Singh is running pillar to post just to convince him? I mean, why can't they just kick the senile man out of the party? Or better still, tell him to shove his opinion where the sun does not shine. Why is this not being done? And why is BJP giving way too much weightage to a has-been's opinion?

Does he know something?

He will play a spoilers role.

He has the capability to polarize the allies away from NaMo and keep potential allies away.

He knows now for sure that his own party will not endorse him for PM at any cost.He wants to remain relevant and not go the vajpayee way, forgotten and forlorn. He is desperately bargaining for a cushy post retirement sinecure like any venal babu.

He wants people like sushma to be given power so that he can be well looked after.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Sep 2013 15:25

from twitter:

>>Gunjan Garg ‏@tcc493 6m
@thinkerspad @narendramodi Yahaan UP mein kai jageh yeh slogan Chal Raha hai " BHAAJPA to majboori hai par MODI bahut Jaroori hai"

Adrija · Post by **Adrija** » 12 Sep 2013 16:08

What is the reason behind all this manana & samjhana of LKA?

With no reference to the merits of his current position- he is an elder, and has devoted his life to making BJP what it is now. We do not summarily ignore our elders, and try as best as we can to bring every one along.........upto a point

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 12 Sep 2013 16:14

Adrija wrote:
What is the reason behind all this manana & samjhana of LKA?
With no reference to the merits of his current position- he is an elder, and has devoted his life to making BJP what it is now. We do not summarily ignore our elders, and try as best as we can to bring every one along.........upto a point

+1

In terms of respect (does not mean translated into applicability for leadership for polls or PM position) he probably is still most respected person in BJP (for long term BJP folks)

In a cadre based party, one tries to treat its senior most cadre well

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Sep 2013 16:43

from teetar:

>>Pratap Simha ‏@mepratap 14m
State party offices have been instructed to prepare for the celebrations!

@abpnewstv: BJP office bearers all over the country asked by the party to be present in their respective offices tomorrow.

Below:
Neerja Prasad ‏@123crush 20m
Bihar BJP's Mangal Pandey releases posters for Narendra Modi's upcoming 'hunkaar' rally

Ab muski roki nahi jaat hai.... bhajpa cadre just can't stop beaming now, seems like, eh?

BTW, 'Hunkaar' rally? Really? No problemo, nitisssh will do his 'ahankaar rally' in response, am sure...

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 12 Sep 2013 17:30

Sanku ji, come on, what respect?! ya, Bhishma and Drona were really respected too. but when time came, they had to be bumped off with the utmost respect onlee. same is going on with LKA. I am weary of linking Hindutva to Modi, lock, stock, and barrel. but LKA is the last one on my mind when it comes to taking forward BJP's leadership. He is done. he has been eroding his own credibility for years now. and I am with Rudradev on this one. if LKA is leading BJP again in 2014, I won't speak a word in favor of BJP. I will wholeheartedly agree with all the == between INC and BJP and openly admit that BJP is a Cong-B team.

time has come for LKA to move on.