Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 12 Sep 2013 17:56

devesh wrote:Sanku ji, come on, what respect?! ya, Bhishma and Drona were really respected too. but when time came, they had to be bumped off with the utmost respect onlee. .

devesh-ji, I am not sure if we are disagreeing.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 12 Sep 2013 18:11

chalo yaaro.n, this LKA Vs Modi joke is just for few more days. Modi will be declared as the PM candidate of BJP tomorrow. After that the vaardhakhyam driven LKA will do some noise. The noise will be amplified by S.Kulkarni types and INC owned media. Give another two weeks it is all about programming for elections. Plots and conter plots of a deadly war is what we all need to dedicate in analyzing.

It is time to close the bitterness and focus on dechiphering the news, tweets, fb noice etc. The war and campaign will be social media heavy. A lot of folks can think what a Twitter can do to remote Tribal and backward areas of India. This time the twitter, fb types will do a lot more than a forced rally. 2014 is going to be base on social media frenzy.

Modi's declaration will swing a lot of volunteers into Modi camp (means BJP). All these are going to be trained to be booth level managers (10 to 20 folks per booth that has 5K to 6K votes). These folks will not be there without the declaration and that is why the speed has dawned on the strategists.

Those folks who think (that irrespective of likes and dislikes) that the first and foremost thing is to remove INC and UPA from power join the war. This thread can be used to analyze the stuff and use the ammunition in the war.

Let us close this LKA Vs Modi stuff and it was really bitter and disappointing especially coming from a greatly respected old leader by couple of generations.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Sep 2013 18:23

The slope (negative here) is always calculated by the differentiation with the current state of affairs. So, as of now the negative direction is shown... and proving to be monotonic. His behavior has never shown spike upwards but many downward spikes. I don't expect an upward spike.

What calls for dropping this issue suddenly, and expect everything is looking up?

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 12 Sep 2013 18:29

On one level, this is not about NaMo's PM declaration, Devesh ji - this was decided last October only and is a foregone conclusion.. Jyotishi people have told RNS to make declaration as long as Sun is in Leo which is before 16th of this month. RNS is a very staunch believer in all this stuff. He wants to avoid the Pitru-Paksha, hence all this.. Tomorrow is Durga-Ashtami only (starts around 8-9 tonight).. Most probably, RNS will make announcement thereafter in next two days when Surya enters Uttaraphalguni Nakshatra (surya-owned nakshatra) on Navami (Friday night or Saturday morning).

If I understand this correctly, this is about giving an honorable exit to a distinguished career. And while one is at it, forcing some resident dilli-billis to make a stand. This is also about identifying the over-enthusiasts who will break the party discipline. As far as I have followed the news, MMJ has fallen in line. I think Sushma has gone too far (Venkaih Naidu and Jaitley have already mended their ways with NaMo. Ananthkumar is to be seen). I had written a post about how Bhagwat being slightly senior to NaMo will make things easier. The deference to elders is followed in parivar, at times to the point of Sadguna-Vikruti (too much of virtue is vice onlee).

Have already stated the soosai theory and have received flak for it. LKA is playing his role, supporters of NaMo have to play theirs and this will only strengthen the party and NaMo eventually. Remember the story of Arjuna-Krishna and Bhishma? Arjuna was going soft on Bhishma which infuriated Krishna to picked up a chariot wheel and marched on Bhishma.. Everyone has to play his role only. I still maintain that LKA did all this soosai knowingly and after this bhishma sleeps on arrow-bed for good, I will again pay him respect. But not until he is completely immobilized there for good along with few others..

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 12 Sep 2013 18:31

Hari Seldon wrote: BTW, 'Hunkaar' rally? Really? No problemo, nitisssh will do his 'ahankaar rally' in response, am sure...

Lord Siva, Parameswara, MahaDeva and Pasupathi destroyed the Tripurasuras with just one "Hunkaar".

Modi will destroy the India that is Bharat's Tripurasuras - Congress, Paid Media and Leftist Intellectuals (JNU)

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Sep 2013 18:53

Atri, who is the Bhishma here?

/kidding

context: you're point bhishma has already taken sides? the pic depicts after taking sides/war zone.

so, if true, the bhishma's eventuality then is decided ahead./looking ahead

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 12 Sep 2013 19:05

SaiK wrote:Atri, who is the Bhishma here?

Who else, saar?

Isn't it obvious? Of course, our Bhishma has taken sides in 2004 only (Jinnah comment).. But he is not Duryodhana, he is Bhishma even if he has taken sides.

Arjuna's army is finally doing the needful. Something or Someone gave them ultimatum last year.. I do not know who this Krishna was...

My LKA-Soosai theory was in conjunction with Indrashakti avoidance maneuver. But I suppose, the establishment has decided to go forward with the game (with expectation of further decay in Internal situation of India in coming months leading to general elections 2014) and place Arjuna in front of Karna (DIEnasty and associated problems which it has created in past 10 years). In their estimate Shakti has struck and been attributed to DIEnasty in public mind. The fall of rupee, the scams, gold-shortage along with problems in J&K and now UP has done to large extent. Have the immediate effects of Indrashakti subsided? I don't think so.

Timing this declaration was always a tricky choice. The patience of cadre too is wearing out and as the festive season starts, so does the general energy level of Hindus which can be used to win as much ground as possible. I would have loved to see rupee at 72 by now. I think it will hit their eventually but MMS has stalled some effects of Indrashakti. I would have loved to see some more FUD in hindu mind regarding MMS, DIEnasty and economy (SP and Islam is doing the needful anyways). But one has to make choices in the time which one is in, even if it is not best time. This is like having Shani at 16 degrees in Libra instead of 17-18 degrees (whic is his exaltation point, AFAIK)..

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 12 Sep 2013 19:12

I think krishna consciousness here is the people consciousness. in that sense, it may be that arjun's situation that he takes to hold krishna by his legs.. not to go for it.

timing!..so, wait till bhishma starts chanting vishnu sahasranam

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 12 Sep 2013 19:15

SaiK wrote:I think krishna consciousness here is the people consciousness. in that sense, it may be that arjun's situation that he takes to hold krishna by his legs.. not to go for it.

timing!..so, wait till bhishma starts chanting vishnu sahasranam

Krishna throwing that wheel would have been a "Storming of Bastille" moment.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 12 Sep 2013 19:46

The summon to Sonia Gandhi!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Sep 2013 19:52

I think we can close this thread after Friday's declaration and archive the thread for India will be in full gear for the next elections.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 12 Sep 2013 20:26

Some one said it is Rahul kala after
12.15 it's rastha khulla for NaMo
According to the charts I see

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Sep 2013 20:32

Don't know how much truth there is in this, but here it goes.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/my ... 75968.html

L K Advani is reported to have told senior BJP and RSS leaders that his inner voice doesn’t allow him to support Narendra Modi for the post of prime minister.

According to sources, Advani conveyed this during his meetings with BJP president Rajnath Singh and RSS leaders earlier this week.

What does it even mean? What `inner voice'? Is he having aural delusions like Joan of Arc? (Story goes that Joan used to hear voices telling her to save France).

The BJP veteran is further reported to have told Rajnath that projecting Modi as the party's PM candidate would turn out to be a "disaster" and will "destroy the party's prospects" in the 2014 polls.

Why is he saying this? Anyone have any idea what has upset Advani this much?

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 12 Sep 2013 20:33

Amyrao wrote:Some one said it is Rahul kala after
12.15 it's rastha khulla for NaMo
According to the charts I see

Added later

Atri ji in this case sadguna parakruthi

The inner voice business was started by IG followers when IF split congress

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Sep 2013 20:38

Maybe DJinnah has afflicted his persona and now speaks as his inner voice!

What nonsense. Its an entitlement disease that makes him oppose Modi.

He had his chance and lost 2009 and then Karnataka in 2013. He has done nothing to put iNC in the dock for it amny malfeances.
What more does he need? If he and his coterie quit thanks for the efforts and good riddance.

he should relaixe the meaning of that Krishna chariot wheel and Bhisma picture.

Respect is due but not keeping the adharmics in power.
Krishna was ready to nullify Bhisma's 'ichhamaran' boon for he is the giver of everything.

Anyone recall the shenanigans by 'elders' in Rajasthan in 2009 that made Vasundara Scindia lose the state?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 20:52

Mrs Lekhi delivering "Thappads" to Lomdi on IBNlive

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 12 Sep 2013 20:55

ramana wrote:I think we can close this thread after Friday's declaration and archive the thread for India will be in full gear for the next elections.

Attn: Sri.Ramana
The title of this thread gets its real meaning IF an announcement is made tomorrow.
What you saw until now is the preview.

Would like to see how far this thread goes post-elections 2014.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 12 Sep 2013 21:09

I say let the thread reach 360 pages (nice round number), then archive and continue with part 2. A new beginning shall be made.

BTW, who was the mahashay who thought, back around the 200 page mark, when NaMo was declared campaign chief, that we'd be at 300 pages by the time of the elections in 2014? I knew then that prediction was going to be dust. More like 600/700 pages by 2014.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 12 Sep 2013 21:09

Why is he saying this? Anyone have any idea what has upset Advani this much?

He was bent on projecting SS as the new MMS and he behind the throne as SG. Or, he's seancing with Djinnah

Indian pols really don't believe in the sell by date marker

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 21:15

Prabhu Chawla batting very hard for Loh Purush on IBNlive.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Sep 2013 21:31

Loh Purush should be given a Congress MP ticket from delhi north and allowed to retain his perks and bungalows.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 12 Sep 2013 21:34

Naahhhh Rae Bareli it should be

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 12 Sep 2013 21:50

Sushupti wrote:Prabhu Chawla batting very hard for Loh Purush on IBNlive.

Because they look seperated at birth

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 12 Sep 2013 21:51

Anyone have any idea what has upset Advani this much?

His Plan A was himself.
His Plan B was SS.
His Plan C was nothing
Then NM emerged from Gujarats Gir..
His Plan D was SSC
His Plan E was sulk and pretend to resign
His Plan F was delay
His Plan G is to sulk more.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Sep 2013 21:52

Looks like Jaitley has fully got on to Modi bandwagon.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 21264.aspx

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 12 Sep 2013 21:53

Muppalla wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Prabhu Chawla batting very hard for Loh Purush on IBNlive.
Because they look seperated at birth

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 12 Sep 2013 21:53

Even if BJP unravels so-be-it. In NaMo's assent, win or lose India's polity will unravel which is the need for the country. That will be step towards establishment of dharma (my first time usage of this word in ages).

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Sep 2013 21:58

Sushma is also intransigent. Looks like it is the plan to be sidelined (and sabotage from the sidelines) or be expelled from the party.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/decision-on- ... 37-64.html

Bharatiya Janata Party President Rajanth Singh on Thursday met senior party leader and Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj to reach a consensus on Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's prime ministerial candidature. The meeting failed to yield any result as Sushma reiterated her position that any decision on Modi should be taken after state Assembly polls.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 12 Sep 2013 21:59

^^^

Why would BJP unravel? Because of LKA ? Hardly. Nothing more than grist for ELM mill.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 22:16

@BDUTT 9m
Breaking now: BJP parliamentary board to meet at five pm tomorrow. Decks cleared for Modi announcement. Will advani camp attend & oppose?

@centerofright 8m
News coming in SS cancels Ambala trip

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 22:18

Sanku wrote:^^^

Why would BJP unravel? Because of LKA ? Hardly. Nothing more than grist for ELM mill.

Just in case he couldn't figure out when to stop continuing in soosai mode.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 12 Sep 2013 22:24

Cosmo R said it best. A crisis facing the nation and party..and these stalwarts circling their raths and firing within. Ego and personal ambition, the bane of our leaders since the time of the invasions as they'd sabotage national interest for ensuring their peer didn't get ahead.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 12 Sep 2013 22:27

Sushupti:
Just in case he couldn't figure out when to stop continuing in soosai mode

I wonder whether LKA will sabotage NaMo's chances by actively plotting against him at every turn. High time he is asked to leave along with SS if they cant abide by the discipline of the party. Their not so piquant revolt is wasting time and energy.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 22:27

@ssachin_d 3m
compared to Diggy,Advani is getting 5 star treatment

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 12 Sep 2013 22:30

Is there NI retirement age for our near death leaders

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Sep 2013 22:33

Amyrao wrote:Is there NI retirement age for our near death leaders

Retirement is usually imposed by death, saar ...... I am very sure some would not object to their corpses ruling, but even the Congress has not yet placed JLN's or IG's corpses on the throne and tried to rule. That would be an interesting experiment for Congress. Maybe they could elect IG's corpse to the Rajya Sabha and keep it PM? Anyway, the corpse cannot be worse than MMS .......

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 12 Sep 2013 22:33

The way Sudheendra Kulkarni today attacked NaMo, there is more Loh Purush drama ahead, he will operate through his loyalists. Dynasty media has already sensed this opportunity & positioned themselves well in advance to blame everything on NaMo.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Sep 2013 22:34

Karan M wrote:Sushupti:
Just in case he couldn't figure out when to stop continuing in soosai mode

I wonder whether LKA will sabotage NaMo's chances by actively plotting against him at every turn. High time he is asked to leave along with SS if they cant abide by the discipline of the party. Their not so piquant revolt is wasting time and energy.

No need Sir. Just take away that power/authority and render him harmless. Pretty much like what Sri Rama did to Parshurama

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 12 Sep 2013 22:35

Its good that if modi comes in he will hopefully have a younger team than these jokers.

Sushupti ji that sage gave up his power voluntarily. LKA is willing to fight to the last proxy.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 12 Sep 2013 22:36

and in the process clean the filth from BJP Ganga?