Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 13 Sep 2013 03:37

Anyone who believes that congress would roll over and play dead while NaMo juggernaut moves is living in LaLa Land. They I am sure have their own games and offers in play. Congress still would form UPA3 if they can reach 150 mark and it is not impossible for them although we all hope that they shrink to less than 50 this time.
After all we rejected ABV govt in 2004 despite he giving one of the better govts and brought back Con-I.
Modi has his task cut out for him because opposing parties will form relations/alliances for 2014 election and he still has a mountain to climb.
We are still awaiting the armies to assemble in Kurukhsetra before the war drums start beating and offer is made to change sides. BJP desperately needs to carry South India to get to the magical mark of 250 for Modi to have a free hand in running the govt.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 13 Sep 2013 03:56

The constitutional defect is in defection
Rahul baba with out even crossing half century
Can give NAMO innings defeat
Just wave the hand and a google called daalar
Wil take wickets by bunches
Congress is most ancient crooks party in the land

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Sep 2013 04:10

All the background drama is totally unnecessary. It leads to chunkian and chanakian theories. The Nation wants to know, Mr. Advani, Will you join INC

?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Sep 2013 05:13

can i get one photo of namo-loh shake hand/hug/laugh/smile together that is recent - 48 hours window?

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btw, i know ramana is going to shut this thread down soon.. let me link this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc_xrKPg6lA
http://www.karnatik.com/c1079.shtml

for those can understand tamil.. even otherwise you will understand as most words are sanskrit-tamil.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 13 Sep 2013 05:16

Karan M wrote:meanwhile INC tying up with money hungry Ms Mayawati. Game over for Modi? Or game has just begun?

This is precisely my worry. Modi key pollster GVL keeps tweeting that BJP is all set for 50 seats in UP with modi and has even published a survey supporting that. Is he factoring in this possible alliance?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Sep 2013 05:25

Amyrao wrote:well anyway LKg should now be going north to Himalayas for antima journey... even Krishna realized his time had come..... after who is Red Krishna i mean Lall Kishen

LOL KiShen Ji even, Chakravartis went to forest at this age . I fear he might be the Designated Sacrificial Goat of Congress to get sympathy votes by going on last Yatra blaiming Modi.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 13 Sep 2013 06:45

Supporters say Narendra Modi pained by LK Advani's stance

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nare ... 09495.html

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 13 Sep 2013 06:58

muraliravi wrote:
Karan M wrote:meanwhile INC tying up with money hungry Ms Mayawati. Game over for Modi? Or game has just begun?
This is precisely my worry. Modi key pollster GVL keeps tweeting that BJP is all set for 50 seats in UP with modi and has even published a survey supporting that. Is he factoring in this possible alliance?

What is GVLs track record? Has he been on target or constantly over optimistic? That will tell us a lot. Looks like India is sc*rewed for another 4 years thanks to behen-ji otherwise. Statues everywhere and more scams, plus terror appeasement non stop.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 13 Sep 2013 07:23

Hari Seldon wrote:from twitter:

>>Gunjan Garg ‏@tcc493 6m
@thinkerspad @narendramodi Yahaan UP mein kai jageh yeh slogan Chal Raha hai " BHAAJPA to majboori hai par MODI bahut Jaroori hai"

This a dangerous chaal!

In case Sh. Modi gets assasinated, suddenly we'd have a 'very unwanted party = BJP' on hour hands to fight vishkanya lead AIF.

This is the exact reason RSS / BJP / Jan Sangh isn't very enthusiastic of Heroes, 'cause once they're gone / fall (savarkar), (hemu) the whole organisation falls flat for enemy to have a walkover.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 13 Sep 2013 07:42

Some more news about making Modi PM candidate.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 529425.cms

There are two interesting paragraphs in the article.

On Thursday, Advani was the last person in the party standing against Modi's immediate elevation, with several of his colleagues such as Murli Manohar Joshi and Sushma Swaraj choosing to fall in line with the majority decision, a leader familiar with the developments said. Along with Advani, Joshi and Swaraj had earlier sought a delay in the anointment until the completion of a clutch of assembly elections later this year.

BJP President Rajnath Singh, who had been striving to build consensus on the issue after a green signal from the party's ideological mentor, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, declared in the evening, when modalities for the announcement were still being worked out, "I want to clarify that nobody in BJP is unhappy and nobody has put any condition".

Joshi has indicated that he will not come in the way of the decision of the party's parliamentary board, said the leader cited earlier.

Swaraj, too, has made it clear that she will not go against the overwhelming view in favour of Modi, added the leader, who did not wish to be named.

In the highly unlikely event of a vote in the party's parliamentary board, therefore, Modi stands to win 9-1.

Good to see that SS and MMJ can figure out which side of the bread is buttered.

Advani, the party's prime ministerial candidate in the 2009 polls, is determined to attend the meeting on Friday and present his views on Modi's selection before the parliamentary board, a person familiar with the matter said. Advani has not given up his opposition even as his acolytes have deserted him, the person added, citing the example of parliamentary board member Ananth Kumar, who spent the day lobbying for a slot for one of his favourites in the party's youth wing.

Did anyone expect anything else from dear Anant?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Sep 2013 07:45

Sekhar Dupatta - walk the talk with Modi in 2004.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/walk-t ... 004/290236

Modi moved on since then, but sekhar dupatta stuck there with no introspection and no evolution.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 13 Sep 2013 07:50

Narendra Modi and the mystery of the Hindu Left

In this context, it is significant that Vanita concludes her essay by calling upon liberal and leftist Hindus to “acknowledge their Hindu identity and speak in defense of Hindu heritage”, which belongs not only to all Hindus, but to all Indians, and to the world as a whole. She writes, “...liberal and leftist Hindus have an equal right and perhaps an obligation now to claim that heritage before it gets further eroded and destroyed by its self-styled champions.”

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/jyzFxtx ... -Left.html

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 13 Sep 2013 07:56

Things will be better with Advani out of BJP, the sooner the better. The risk of his conducting a susai mission out of sheer vindictiveness at a critical moment should not be taken. It seems pretty clear that he doesn't care much about the party's welfare.

Also Namo's so-called polarising influence within BJP could be a good thing and BJP should not worry about it. Polarization makes it easier to clean out all the iron filings around the negative pole before they can do damage.

From here on, it is all about Namonia and the BJP is merely the required framework and vehicle for it.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Sep 2013 08:32

also note... advani's only delay tactics is hinged on the feel factor that lok kya kahenge.. if bjp is headed by anti-sikcularist. now if that is the fear he was the leader of opposition, wtf eh! just check the link what supporters of modi were told that modi is pained by advani's behavior. a direct hit on his poor performance as well.

btw, if i were in advani's position, i would have secured deputy pm candidate by now.

bottom: i like the whole show here.. this is a step 1 to presidential forms. announce ahead.. and challenge the opponent who do you got?

but never underestimate the opponent, and never consider any opponent as weak.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Sep 2013 09:06

SaiK, Even in UK its quasi Presidential with the PM candidate already announced.
World has moved on since Gandhi fixed the elections in favor of Jawahar Lal Nehru by spiking Sardar Patel.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 13 Sep 2013 09:09

remains to be seen if this presidential form of electioneering works in India. IG after she spilt the INC and later to some extent ABV were presidential in their campaigns but otherwise, there's not much evidence it works that way in India.

Even in state polls, the '84 polls in AP where sri NTR stormed to power was a 1-sided presi contest with no real personality or leader projected from the INC side. Same with all Guj state polls after 2002. TN I guess has been having a run of presidential polls for a long time now.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 13 Sep 2013 09:18

If I were to NaMo

There would be 8 Deputy PMs

One for North
One for North East

One for East
One for South East

One for South
One for South west

One for West
One for North West

Why like this?
Remember Satyanaryan puja?
You first invoke Ashta Dikpalakas the 8 Deputy PMs are Ashta Dikpalakas
Who protect NaMo who's is the Rudra ok Rudradev(ta) or Mooladhara

Who could be these 8
1 LKG
2 Sushma
3 Rajnath
4 Fill in the blanks

Save 2 for major defectors from Congress party...
1 for Jaya Amma to take the BJP south she has experience in this south ward journey of the NDA

.....
IG started the trend of voting for PM

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Sep 2013 09:21

LKA when he was the Dy PM, ABV didnt want to hand over the nuke codes and gave them to the RM Fernandes.

LKA has had his innings.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Sep 2013 09:27

G's atrocities not small in that respect.. the fact that he let INC do go about playing politics without any control factor, and he goes like I am mr. clean is one of the biggest failures of MKG. How can he let go off a party, while the future of desh lies with them? Perhaps he is the king pin catalyst of the current G corruption setup. My #1 in the wish list for modi is bring in legislation and and operational autonomy for anti-corruption bodies, change the police and essential services report to separate commission or body/wing (autonomous). so many things to do, but i think he can put the seeds and let that grow in the right spots.

last but not the least is the removal of caste based gov policies in education and jobs. this has affected many, and ruined our economies on a returns to scale measure.. hidden, where instead of the position we are in, we might have been in space age, where our own aryabattas would have been sending a signal from andromeda galaxy.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 13 Sep 2013 09:29

I think BJP and its supporters should not underestimate their opponents. The best way to sabotage Jyotiraditya Scindia is projecting him as much wiser, saner and intelligent than Rahul Gandhi and openly asking why not Jyotiraditya Scindia should not be considered for Congress' PM post, rather than Dumb Rahul. May be this will be spook dynasty and they will start to undermine Jr. Scindia.

The real power of present Congress is not the Charismatic Dynasty Leader, but a group of acolytes who want to preserve their influence. If we take out, one by one such acolytes, the core can be weakened. JMT.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 13 Sep 2013 09:31

While attending to summons a heavy Botox job is also scheduled according to rumor has it

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 13 Sep 2013 09:37

Anyone thinking about chankian theories or soosai as explanation for LKA actions must see the IBN debate with LKA's minion SK. The guy is worse than a Congi dog. Never thought this day will come but aaak thoo at Shri Advani, you Sir have betrayed us.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Sep 2013 09:40

A few days back I had posted an article that ran a detailed analysis of Rahul Gandhi's "leadership style." Highly inconsistent and fickle, RG apparently changes the privileged-access members of his Inner Circle like underwear. This can be seen in the way Jyotiraditya is apparently "in" while Digvijay has been cast out.

This bespeaks a very capricious and paranoid mindset on the part of Rahul Gandhi (20 odd years of sniffing Venezuelan cocaine daily will do that to you) and of course leads to a perpetual sense of heightened insecurity among INC upper cadre (no telling who the next object of sudden disfavour will be). I think that, as kmkraoind rightly suggests, this can very well be capitalized on.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 13 Sep 2013 09:58

Chandragupta wrote:Anyone thinking about chankian theories or soosai as explanation for LKA actions must see the IBN debate with LKA's minion SK. The guy is worse than a Congi dog. Never thought this day will come but aaak thoo at Shri Advani, you Sir have betrayed us.

SK has been kicked out quite some time back, it is most probable that he is venting his frustration.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 13 Sep 2013 09:59

NaMo should start every meeting with lavish praise LKg in the tone of
Yet Brutus was a honorable man ...
If I could see any further it is by standing on the shoulders of LKg
However LKg even while being Loh Purush , Maryada purushotam Ram
sorry Maryada purushotam Kishen has grown frail his shoulders are feeble. Time for us to give him respect and rest. He is always welcome to advise, I would not hesitate to seek his.
He is now like viswamitra viswa universal mitra friend
There fore I see no offense if he is friendly with congress he worked with them more than I did.
Etc Etc

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 13 Sep 2013 10:06

Rudradev wrote:A few days back I had posted an article that ran a detailed analysis of Rahul Gandhi's "leadership style." Highly inconsistent and fickle, RG apparently changes the privileged-access members of his Inner Circle like underwear. This can be seen in the way Jyotiraditya is apparently "in" while Digvijay has been cast out.

This bespeaks a very capricious and paranoid mindset on the part of Rahul Gandhi (20 odd years of sniffing Venezuelan cocaine daily will do that to you) and of course leads to a perpetual sense of heightened insecurity among INC upper cadre (no telling who the next object of sudden disfavour will be). I think that, as kmkraoind rightly suggests, this can very well be capitalized on.

Even SG , she hardly meets anyone, and confines herself to a group of key members. It seems its very hard for others to meet her. You wait for days to even get an appointment for few mins.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Sep 2013 10:31

today has got to be the day . it had to begin someday ....

througout India, great warriors and armies are finally going to start the march to Kurukshetra.

remember the old song in the TV serial ...."Yeh MahaYudh hai, Yeh DharmaYudh hai...."

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 13 Sep 2013 10:35

Twitter says Announcement is confirmed.
ShivSena congratulates Modi!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Sep 2013 10:35

Singha wrote:today has got to be the day . it had to begin someday ....

througout India, great warriors and armies are finally going to start the march to Kurukshetra.remember the old song in the TV serial ...."Yeh MahaYudh hai, Yeh DharmaYudh hai...."

Amir Khan Gubomaster ‏@Gubomaster
4h
yada yada hi dharmasya
utishta bhumi bharata
abhyutthanam adharmasya
tadatmanam srjamy vizvAsaghAtin
dviTsevin D4 Hum.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Sep 2013 10:46

those who have sinned and damaged our country must pay a price.
http://uliyannoortemple.com/joomla_1.5. ... QN41_l.jpg

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 13 Sep 2013 11:11

^^^
I was thinking along the same lines. Thousand years back Kshtriyas over-indulgence led them into creating a 'parashurama' out of a intelligent guy. History repeating itself? Time will tell.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 13 Sep 2013 11:45

Some more unhappy news for BJP, if true.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/live-mp-cm-r ... 37-64.html

Sources have told CNN-IBN that Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan has also refused Rajnath Singh's request to come to Delhi.

Some more intransigence

Sources say the anti-Modi camp is insisting on three conditions that if he is declared the PM candidate, he must give up the Gujarat chief ministership. They also want someone else to replace him as the head of the BJP election campaign committee. They say one man cannot hold three posts at the same time and they must take everyone along in decision-making.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 13 Sep 2013 11:51

nageshks wrote:Some more unhappy news for BJP, if true.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/live-mp-cm-r ... 37-64.html

Sources have told CNN-IBN that Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan has also refused Rajnath Singh's request to come to Delhi.
Some more intransigence

Sources say the anti-Modi camp is insisting on three conditions that if he is declared the PM candidate, he must give up the Gujarat chief ministership. They also want someone else to replace him as the head of the BJP election campaign committee. They say one man cannot hold three posts at the same time and they must take everyone along in decision-making.

Yeah the drama does not seem to be over just yet. Can't Modi put one of his trusted on Gujarat CM post? He must not give up the Election Campaign Committee chief post, otherwise these dilli billis will again put candidates without any idea of ground realities and BJP will loose only.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 13 Sep 2013 11:53

NaMo should speak with Shivraj Singh Chouhan directy & assure him. May be offer him position of Deputy-PM & de-facto successor after 10 years (2 terms of NaMo)

SSC has a bit of Loh Purush like tendencies but with huge vote-base in MP. He needs no one to win another term in MP.

It will get ugly if SSC decides to not agree NaMo campaigning in MP. I have long back said like every ambitious man (and there is nothing wrong in that) SSC too has his own, offering him Deputy-PM will go in long way keeping Bhajapa united.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 13 Sep 2013 11:55

Sushupti wrote:Narendra Modi and the mystery of the Hindu Left

In this context, it is significant that Vanita concludes her essay by calling upon liberal and leftist Hindus to “acknowledge their Hindu identity and speak in defense of Hindu heritage”, which belongs not only to all Hindus, but to all Indians, and to the world as a whole. She writes, “...liberal and leftist Hindus have an equal right and perhaps an obligation now to claim that heritage before it gets further eroded and destroyed by its self-styled champions.”

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/jyzFxtx ... -Left.html

Aaahhh. Now that's the kind of "reaction" I'm looking for!
When the current anglophile libtards start thinking and playing on Hindutva turf, then it will moving up the value chain.
They need to be made to realize that they can keep fighting for the very same social goals and against the very same demons, but via a native Hindutva operating system.
More manthan required!

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 13 Sep 2013 12:28

One NDTV anchor Kashish Gupta lost it on her twitter today and abused NM. Becoming hot on twitter. Sonia Singh another anchor has distanced NDTV from her tweets.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Sep 2013 12:35

if SSC wants a good position, rather than titular DyPM (does anyone know what Biden sir does)....give him the next best which is home ministry or the chief of party (after er Loh Purush is eased out

) if he wants to leave MP and get into central politics.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 13 Sep 2013 12:51

nageshks wrote:Some more unhappy news for BJP, if true.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/live-mp-cm-r ... 37-64.html

Sources have told CNN-IBN that Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan has also refused Rajnath Singh's request to come to Delhi.
Some more intransigence

Sources say the anti-Modi camp is insisting on three conditions that if he is declared the PM candidate, he must give up the Gujarat chief ministership. They also want someone else to replace him as the head of the BJP election campaign committee. They say one man cannot hold three posts at the same time and they must take everyone along in decision-making.

PM candidate is not a post. So he can be both PM candidate and Gujarat CM. BJP election campaign committee chief can be someone the PM candidate trusts and has veto over.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Sep 2013 12:55

like Amit Shah

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 13 Sep 2013 13:10

Singha wrote:if SSC wants a good position, rather than titular DyPM (does anyone know what Biden sir does)....give him the next best which is home ministry or the chief of party (after er Loh Purush is eased out ) if he wants to leave MP and get into central politics.

NaMo can offer SSC dy. PM with 2-3 more portfolios such as Social, Rural, Commerce ministries etc & an open declaration that he is No.2 after him. SSC is a great administrator & will do good.

IMO, Home Ministry is crucial portfolio for future security of Bharat & must go to Amit Shah. Only he can get rid of all sleeper cells of assorted IMs across country. SSC has been infected by genes of liberal Hindus that all Muslims are peaceful onlee & those behind bomb blasts are not "true" Muslims, whatever that means. Such a person in Home ministry will lead to LKA redux in ABV setup.