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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Five Americans on terror charges in Sargodha, Pakistan (BBC)
Five young Americans held in Pakistan on suspicion of plotting attacks have been indicted on terrorism charges, their lawyer has said. The five men, aged 18 to 25, denied the charges at a court in a jail in the eastern city of Sargodha.
He said the next hearing would be on 31 March and that prosecutors would produce more than 20 witnesses.
Charges against the five young Muslims include "planning to carry out attacks against Pakistan and its allied countries, possessing jihadi literature and making monetary contribution to banned organisations," Nadim Akram Cheema, a government prosecutor, told the BBC Urdu service.

All citizens of Pakistan taller than an AK-47 should be charged and jailed using, at the very least, the last two charges. Everybody is guilty!
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Rahul Shukla wrote:Pakistan, Iran sign deal on natural gas pipeline (Reuters)

Iran has the world's second-largest gas reserves after Russia. But sanctions by the West, political turmoil and construction delays have slowed its development as an exporter. Under the deal, 750 million cubic feet of gas will be pumped to Pakistan daily from Iran by mid-2015.
Will the land of the pure exist in 2015?

Who is going to fund it? They were all depending on India for major funding. :)

Mind you, all this trouble for lean gas onlee!
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Pakistan hockey players take back resignations (Times of India)
ISLAMABAD: Less than a week after they resigned owning moral responsibility for their flop show in the World Cup in Delhi, Pakistani hockey players have taken their resignations back.
... players agreed to take back their resignations after a meeting with Federal Sports Minister Ijaz Jakhrani.
... Jakhrani asked the players to withdraw their resignations, saying they were still 'good enough' to serve the nation.
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Rahul Shukla wrote:Pakistan, Iran sign deal on natural gas pipeline (Reuters)
The $7.6 billion project is crucial for Pakistan to avert a growing energy crisis already causing severe electricity shortages in the country of about 170 million.
The pipeline will connect Iran's South Fars gas field with Pakistan's southern Baluchistan and Sindh provinces.

Iran has the world's second-largest gas reserves after Russia. But sanctions by the West, political turmoil and construction delays have slowed its development as an exporter. Under the deal, 750 million cubic feet of gas will be pumped to Pakistan daily from Iran by mid-2015.
... India has been reluctant to join the project given its long-running distrust of Pakistan, with which it has fought three wars since they achieved independence in 1947.
750MMCF/Day is a third of what reliance is producing from KG basin.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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2010...
Partition Nigeria to end violence: Gaddafi
He proposed that it should follow the partition model of Pakistan, which was born in 1947 after the Muslim minority of predominantly Hindu India founded their own homeland, led by Mohammed Ali Jinnah.
2002...
Gaddafi and son preach message of peace
Turning to the crisis between India and Pakistan, Mr Gaddafi said an independent Kashmir, as desired by a large proportion of the people in the divided state, was impractical.

What was needed, argued Mr Gaddafi, was to re-create the old Raj, uniting India, Pakistan and Bangladesh into a superstate, along with Sri Lanka for good measure.
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Gerard wrote:2002...
Gaddafi and son preach message of peace
Turning to the crisis between India and Pakistan, Mr Gaddafi said an independent Kashmir, as desired by a large proportion of the people in the divided state, was impractical.

What was needed, argued Mr Gaddafi, was to re-create the old Raj, uniting India, Pakistan and Bangladesh into a superstate, along with Sri Lanka for good measure.
Gerard-ji

Call me paranoid, but this is what I saw in that link
"Imagine a country with a GDP of $500 billion, a population of 1.3 billion and 140 nuclear warheads," said Mr Gaddafi. "It could have a Muslim prime minister or president."
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Pakistan waging serious war against terrorism: Gen Petraeus
: The US continues to push Pakistan to take action against Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), blamed for the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, as such jihadi terror outfits are still not on Islamabad's radar, according to a top US general.
The need to take action against the Pakistan-based terror outfit has been Washington's 'source of dialogue' with Islamabad, General David Petraeus, head of the US Central Command, told the powerful Senate Armed Services Committee Tuesday.
'There's no question but that there are elements in Pakistan that have not yet been the focus of the Pakistani counter insurgency efforts,' he said in response to concern expressed by Senator Claire McCaskill over Pakistan's inability in taking 'substantial action' against the LeT.
'Obviously India has expressed its concerns as well (on LeT),' he said adding, 'The rise of LeT and the need to take action against it has been a 'source of dialogue' with Pakistani authorities.'
Petraeus said the Obama administration had quite a bit of interaction with the Pakistani government over LeT's activities after the Mumbai attacks that killed 166 people, including six Americans.
While Pakistan is 'waging a serious war against terrorism in the tribal areas of the country bordering Afghanistan, in particular the Taliban and Al Qaeda', jihadi elements like LeT were not yet on the radar of Pakistan, he said.
Responding to McCaskill's concern over LeT's growing strength, with reference to recent terrorist attack on Indians in Kabul, Petraeus said that Pakistan army was taking stringent action against Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan.
Petraeus' observations came close on the heels of US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Robert Blake asking Pakistan to rein in the LeT, given its increasing capacity to target other countries, including the US.
'The LeT is a terrorist group based in Pakistan that has increasingly global ambitions and global scope-and so it's in the interests of Pakistan to rein in its activities,' Blake said in an interview Saturday
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=16309
( 400% Paki truth)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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RamaY wrote: Gerard-ji

Call me paranoid, but this is what I saw in that link
"Imagine a country with a GDP of $500 billion, a population of 1.3 billion and 140 nuclear warheads," said Mr Gaddafi. "It could have a Muslim prime minister or president."
we already have had a pretty successful muslim prez and in coming days we might have a muslim PM too but I would certainly not want to join my country with the aforementioned basket cases, let alone have one of their ultra-religious idiots as PM. and we have already far exceeded his imagination have we not ? who cares what he says.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Call me paranoid, but this is what I saw in that link


Quote:
"Imagine a country with a GDP of $500 billion, a population of 1.3 billion and 140 nuclear warheads," said Mr Gaddafi. "It could have a Muslim prime minister or president."
RamY:

You are paranoid :D Gaddafi is prophetic (Mahdi?) What he said is almost true. Today Indias pop is almost 1.3 bill, GDP 1.4 bil, nukes over 140 AND it did have a muslim President and even can have a muslim PM. in 2002 Gaddafi was slightly ahead of his time!
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Call me paranoid, but this is what I saw in that link


Quote:
"Imagine a country with a GDP of $500 billion, a population of 1.3 billion and 140 nuclear warheads," said Mr Gaddafi. "It could have a Muslim prime minister or president."

His vision is small coming from a small country with no history. He has no idea of the history in the past when India China had 60% of the world GDP. With a population of 1.3B the GDP will be in the range of $10T to $20T.

He thinks that the country will behave as a Muslim country if the President is a Muslim. What a myopic mind.

Some pakis in the web complain that the current Vice President does not listen to the Pakistan people. It was hilarious to read it.
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Rahul Shukla wrote:Five Americans on terror charges in Sargodha, Pakistan (BBC)
He said the next hearing would be on 31 March and that prosecutors would produce more than 20 witnesses.
Charges against the five young Muslims include "planning to carry out attacks against Pakistan and its allied countries, possessing jihadi literature and making monetary contribution to banned organisations," Nadim Akram Cheema, a government prosecutor, told the BBC Urdu service.
1) jihadi literature --- Interesting to know the names who supplied them and whom they want to kill-- the less bious biraaders :lol:
2) banned organisations--- names of those :?: :?:

attacks against bakistan---- because it is the land of impure :rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Nihat wrote:
'Tension' with India distracting us from terrorism in Pak: Gilani
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/mar/ ... gilani.htm

When a lying Pakistani a-hole talks of "tension" between India and Pakistan, how should India respond?
1) Agree there is tension over terrorism
2) Deny that there is any tension
3) No comment

Particularly think of how the media will report the issue

1) Pakistan today claimed that it was being distracted from fighting terrorism because of tension with India. An Indian spokesperson admitted that there was tension between the two countries.

2) India today denied that there is any tension with Pakistan. Our borders are at peace despite continuing infiltration by Pakistani terrorists. India does not believe that violence is part of any solution

3) Pakistan today claimed that it was being distracted from fighting terrorism because of tension with India. India declined to comment.Pakistan accuses India of being intransigent on Kashmir over which the two nations have fought many wars.

An important question to ask oneself before responding is

1) Could this Paki be telling the truth (ever?)
2) What agenda motivates him to speak in this manner
3) How much help should he receive from India in response?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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rohitvats wrote:
shiv wrote:
......<SNIP> If you look back through the years - the terrorists had the right idea. If you place a bomb in a railway station - people are killed and some people mourn for a few days and thats it. So if you are a group that wants revolution you really must target the top. Get Generals, the Gandhis, the ministers, and make their life so miserable and fearful that the nation can be brought to its knees. In fact terrorism was directed initially at top targets. It was first directed at the Army because the terrorists rightly calculated that if you can break the morale of the armed forces (by force) the civilians can do nothing. Naturally the armed forces were the first to wise up and make their areas tough to penetrate without the terrorists being killed. ...........
The phrase which captures the above thought is "CENTER OF GRAVITY"

This is how the D0D defines CoG: "the source of power that provides moral or physical strength, freedom of action, or will to act."

Interestingly, the US Army description of CoG matches the explanation given above by Shiv on dealing between the USA and RAPe/TSPA.
The Army tends to look for a single center of gravity, normally in the principal capability that stands in the way of the accomplishment of its own mission. In short, the army considers a "friendly" CoG as that element—a characteristic, capability, or locality—that enables one's own or allied forces to accomplish their objectives. Conversely, an opponent's CoG is that element that prevents friendly forces from accomplishing their objectives.
The bolded part above fits the description of Paki RAPE and TSPA perfectly.
Thank you for teaching me such a lovely expression and confirming that I am not delusional in saying what I said. I have always felt that the US has supported a "center of Gravity" without paying heed to anything else - especially human suffering. When the US does this to us we are able to show some resentment, and when the US does it to some third country we offer a readymade excuse on behalf of the US - "The US is acting in its interest"

Qadhafi is an exact example of "Center of gravity" sussed out and dealt with accurately by the US. A small pipsqeak in a desert nation who became too big for his own undies. His henchmen bombed the PanAm jet . The US did not say "Destroy Libya". They hounded Gadhafi and even bombed his house in an F 111 attack that took off from the UK and flew all the way to Libya and back.

Gradually Qadhafi saw what was good for him and skiied downhill. The selection of "Center of Gravity" to punish by the US worked.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Katare wrote:750MMCF/Day is a third of what reliance is producing from KG basin.
This is going to be a very costly pipeline for Pakistan, unless India or China takes part. This is about 20 MMSCMD which is too small. But, Pakistan cannot absorb more than that.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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When "Pakistan" says an agreement has been signed it could mean

1) We want to show that we are a nation on the march
2) Kickbacks are to be expected. After all we are going to call for tenders for pvt companies to do some ground work - eg survey. If we find a corrupt enough company we and a few people from the company can share some look from the Pakistan exchequer as well as from the company's coffers.

We have ourselves read about Kraachi's beautiful Maglev train
I have read an article in a magazine called "Architecture ad Design" about the world's tallest building to come up in Kraachi.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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One should see the context in which Gaddafi made those comments. His true intentions came out in 2010.

What did he achieve in Lybia between 2002-10? And what changed his perspective/opinion?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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From managing the Ambanis’ money to managing Pakistan’s finances, what a day!

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=27844

Now why would a man about to take oath of the vaulted office of the finance minister of the Islamic(emphasis intended) republic of Pakistan dash back to Dubai? One wonders. Well what else would you do if you were managing a massive US$1 billion plus hedge fund which happened to be owned by the biggest Indian tycoons, the Ambanis. Obviously, you got to go back, make a couple of calls to Bombay, seek their blessings, apply for a leave of absence, and only then fly back to Islamabad and start looking after the Paki :rotfl: money. Now, it doesnít hurt either to have the comfort of knowing that if the Pakistan experience doesnít work you can always fly back to the golden Indian nest :(( . By the way, the hedge fund is called New Silk Route Partners (NRS). Itís a US$ 1.4 billion hedge fund owned by Ambaniís with local partners from Dxb Rajat Gupta.

But on a second thought, you could also look at the NRS relationship as being a unique case of an Indian business house putting its eggs in a Pakistaniís hands. Could there be a better example of a growing dÈtente between India and Pakistan?

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Holy Prophet’s teachings can ensure trade dominance

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=229653
Punjab Excise and Taxation Minister Mujtaba Shuja-ur-Rehman has said that the ruling factors in global trade dominance are quality, reasonable price and transparency and all these principles are the essence of the life of the Holy Prophet’s (PBUH) early life as a trader.

He was speaking at a seminar organised by the Mir Khalil-ur-Rahman Memorial Society (MKRMS) on the topic of “The life of the Holy Prophet’ (PBUH) as the perfect model for traders.” The seminar was conducted in collaboration with the ICMAP, Lahore Branch, and Besto Interiors.

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He said that if the traders of Pakistan could follow in the footsteps of the Holy Prophet (PBUH), they would be able to impose not just regional but global trade dominance. He said that the curriculum taught in universities of the country was imported from the West whereas if only the ethics preached by the Holy Prophet (PBUH) were deliberated, tremendous success could be achieved.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Nuclear needs

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=229674
As the country is engulfed once again by a wave of power cuts that are leaving some parts bereft of electricity for up to eighteen hours a day, President Asif Ali Zardari has called for the US to help us with the development of civilian nuclear technologies. Of all the myriad crises that we face it is that in the power sector (which links to the problems with water) which is the greatest threat to our continued existence. If America truly wants to see Pakistan stable and productive as well as a shedding of some of the mistrust that has grown between us, then it could do little better than helping us to resolve our perennial power deficits.

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It is often forgotten by those who criticise our determination to fight this fight that every bullet costs money, and that money comes primarily from our own resources. Over the last eight years it has cost us $35 billion, only a proportion of which has been reimbursed to us. We were a poor nation to start with, and find ourselves being beggared by a war that we fight on behalf of many other nations whose troops do not fight or die in the numbers that ours do.

...

True, our resource management has not been of the best and we have missed opportunities, but we have also stepped up to support America when it needs it most. America now needs to do a little stepping up of its own if it is to erode the trust deficit that has grown between us. We are already a nuclear power; uncomfortable as that may be for some in the non-Muslim world, and we are not going to be disarming any time soon, neither is our neighbour.

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Nuclear power may be one of our salvations – and hydropower never will be, neither power derived from alternate energy generators.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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The strategic dialogue

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=229765
In a few days Pakistan and the US will be engaged in a strategic dialogue having far-reaching consequence for the region and its peoples. Pakistan’s battlefield successes in Swat and South Waziristan changed the dynamics of the geopolitical equation from what it was less than a year ago. US vice-president Joseph Biden was the first as a US senator to recognise the rank injustice done to Pakistan over the years and the need to have a more pragmatic even-handed policy.

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George W Bush’s closest advisors, led by Condoleeza Rice, were heavily weighted in favour of India at the expense of Pakistan, and that too without geopolitical logic.

...

Gen Patraeus put it best the other day, that there must be recognition that each country has to go with its own national interest, and work towards convergence of interests, and narrowing the gaps.

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Afghanistan is a predator society and it will take decades of peace to change the existing mindset. For centuries Afghans have used their geographical crossroads location to live off the traders who passed through their territory.

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One must forgive Fareed Zakaria for his constant tirade against Pakistan, as an Indian Muslim he has to show himself to be more “loyal than the king.” His intellectual dishonesty in turning the once-respected Newsweek into an anti-Pakistan propaganda machine is appalling. If that was not enough, a recent article by Selig Harrison on “Zardari’s courage” was nothing but paid advertisement against the Pakistani army. Shuja Nawaz of the Atlantic Council recently gave testimony before the US Foreign Relations Committee that while Pakistani intelligence agencies may have had links decades ago with organisations like the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) because of Kashmir, to suggest the existence of a continuing connections is baseless—even ludicrous, given the battlefield casualties Pakistan is suffering. Shuja’s elder brother, the late Gen Asif Nawaz Janjua, would have been proud of him. :?:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Sahil Saeed freed after cash paid in Paris, say police
What is interesting about this is it reveals how deep the network lies.
A ransom of £110,000 was paid to gain the release of five-year-old Sahil Saeed, who was kidnapped in Pakistan, Spanish police have said.

A phone call made from Spain instructed the Oldham boy's father to travel to Manchester and then Paris, where police saw him pay cash in a public street.

Earlier, Pakistan's interior minister said some money had been paid within Pakistan in a bid to get Sahil freed.

They said police in Paris watched as people took the money handed over by Sahil's father, Raja Saeed, and divided it into a bag and a trolley.
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French police followed them to the border with Spain.

Spanish police officers in Tarragona, Catalonia, arrested two Pakistani men and a Romanian woman in connection with the case after raiding a flat in Constanti, around 60 miles from Barcelona, on Tuesday.

Money totalling £110,000, a computer and some mobile phones, which were used to contact Sahil's father in Pakistan to demand the ransom, were found at the property.

Two of the group had driven to the French capital to collect the ransom payment and were arrested as they returned to Spain.

All three are due to appear in court in Spain on Thursday.

Two people have also been arrested in Paris.
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Interior Minister Rehman Malik said the money paid within Pakistan was "seed" money, which was paid to someone within a network with a promise of more money to provide information that would lead to the boy's release.
So obviously, kidnappers in Pak land were able to liaison with Pakis living in Spain to collect the ransom money. The interesting thing is that they asked the boy's father to travel to Manchester first and then to Paris. Obviously this was done to make sure that there wasn't a police presence around the father. They probably had a local watcher from the Manchester area to confirm this before redirecting him to Paris. They also had some local help in Paris, as two Parisian residents have been arrested in connection with the case as well. Only question is what the Romanian woman has to do with all this? Innocent cleaning lady or helping them get EU citizenship?

Also note that the kid's pop is definitely a man of influence. Not only did he hand over a big amount of ransom money, he got the Paki Govt. to spend some of its own money to get other clues and got Paki government involved in the search as well.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Veteran scribe Fisk on the "disappearing Pakis",around "8,000" so far thanks to the state,a terrifying mystery worthy of Sherlock Holms himself.This astonishing number far outweighs the few Lankan missing which the US admonishes the GOSL about,whiel remaining absolutely silent on the horrendous crimes of the Paki state,supplying it with even more arms,F-16s,P-3 Orions,GBUs,AMRAAMs,etc,.etc.,to wage further war against India!

Obama and Clinton,you are equally guilty by your silence, tantamount to complicity in these heinous crimes aaginst humanity!

"...for he has entered that dark world wherein dwell up to 8,000 of Pakistan's missing citizens, men, for the most part, seized from their homes or from the streets by cops and soldiers on the orders of spies and intelligence agents and Americans since 11 September, 2001"

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 23153.html

Excerpt:
Robert Fisk: Into the terrifying world of Pakistan's 'disappeared'

In the first of a series of reports from Pakistan, our correspondent meets the wife of one of 8,000 citizens who have gone 'missing' at the hands of the state

Thursday, 18 March 2010
A painting by Amina Janjua about missing people in Pakistan

If you want to know how brutally Pakistan treats its people, you should meet Amina Janjua. An intelligent painter and interior designer, she sits on the vast sofa of her living room in Rawalpindi – a room that somehow accentuates her loneliness – scarf wound tightly round her head, serving tea and biscuits like the middle-class woman she is. And although neither a soldier nor a policeman has ever laid a hand on her, she is a victim of her country's cruel oppression. Because, five years ago, her husband Masood became one of Pakistan's "disappeared".

It is a scandal and a disgrace and, of course, a crime against humanity. Ask not where Masood Janjua has gone – Amina does ask, of course, all the way up to the President – for he has entered that dark world wherein dwell up to 8,000 of Pakistan's missing citizens, men, for the most part, seized from their homes or from the streets by cops and soldiers on the orders of spies and intelligence agents and Americans since 11 September, 2001. In Lahore alone, there are 120 "torture houses" just for the missing of the Punjab. Their shrieks of pain from the basements could be heard by residents – who complained only that the buildings might provoke bomb attacks. In Pakistan today, preservation counts for more than compassion
Total complicity,see how US soldiers dressin paki uniforms! Are the US also behind the terror directed against India?
"They". Everyone I talk to here talks about "they". Many refuse to talk in case it provokes "them" to undertake a quick execution. "They" is the Inter-Services Intelligence. "They" is military intelligence. "They" are the Americans, some of them present – according to the few "disappeared" who have been released – during torture sessions. The Defence of Human Rights Pakistan (DHRP), the movement which Amina founded with 25 other bereft families, has gathered evidence of English-speaking interrogators who calmly ask victims questions during their torment. Ironically, Amina lives in a military district of Rawalpindi, beside an old British barracks, where US soldiers are observed in Pakistani uniforms – sometimes female American soldiers dressed, so she says, in the uniforms of Pakistani military paramedics.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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shiv wrote: Thank you for teaching me such a lovely expression and confirming that I am not delusional in saying what I said. I have always felt that the US has supported a "center of Gravity" without paying heed to anything else - especially human suffering. When the US does this to us we are able to show some resentment, and when the US does it to some third country we offer a readymade excuse on behalf of the US - "The US is acting in its interest"

Qadhafi is an exact example of "Center of gravity" sussed out and dealt with accurately by the US. A small pipsqeak in a desert nation who became too big for his own undies. His henchmen bombed the PanAm jet . The US did not say "Destroy Libya". They hounded Gadhafi and even bombed his house in an F 111 attack that took off from the UK and flew all the way to Libya and back.

Gradually Qadhafi saw what was good for him and skiied downhill. The selection of "Center of Gravity" to punish by the US worked.
Sort of right, except the Pan-Am bombing came*after* the US hit Tripoli.

- 1986 The US sinks Libyan gunboat that challenged them in disputed waters
- 1986: Libya bombed a German disco aimed at US soldiers and airmen.
- 1986: The US bombed Qadhdhaffi in Tripoli with Thatcher's logistical support
- 1988: Libya commissioned a terrorist bombing on Pan Am over Lockerbie in Scotland
- 1991: The US under George Bush Sr. and the Conservative govt in the UK had the UN pass sanctions on Libya
- 1999: Libya eventually buckles under pressure and turns over suspects for trial in Scotland, and pays compensation
- 2003: After Saddam Hussein's overthrow Qadhdhaffi turns over all WMD programmes to US and UK, offers full normalisation of ties
- 2009: Scotland with Prime Ministerial support from Brown pardons Lockerbie bomber. The UK, and US will reap economic benefits from the opening to Libya.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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A B Raman tweet.
http://twitter.com/ramanthink
Headley & 26/11: US Plays Dirty on India http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot. ... india.html
FWIW.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Only we poor Indians will remain unprotected because the Govt. of India headed by Dr.Manmohan Singh cannot protect us.


6. What naivete, Mr.Prime Minister! What naivete!( 18-3-2010)
The above is from B Raman's blog post. B Raman used to give high marks to the current govt for anti terrorist response. What happened? He changed his mind?

During MMS trip to US, it was said that Obama had assured MMS that US will help India in getting details on the Headley case.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/dec/ ... eadley.htm
Senior US administration sources and law enforcement officials have told rediff.com that it was President Barack Obama's [ Images ] "personal interest" in the David Coleman Headley case that led to the speedy indictment of the Chicago-based Pakistan American and also the dispatching of a team to New Delhi [ Images ] to brief India [ Images ] sleuths.

Sources acknowledged that Obama's interest was the direct consequence of Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh [ Images ] forcefully bringing up the Headley case during their Oval Office Summit on November 24 while discussing the increasing threat of the Lakshar-e-Tayiba faced by India.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -730-ha-06

Extract: Informed sources said that the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) President Giles Clarke had informed his Pakistani counterpart Ijaz Butt in a communication that betting and alcohol partners were making up a large proportion of the bid fee through pouring rights and advertising inventory.

Haraam with aaraam :) The Pukes have discovered secularism with a dash of capitalism along with their abundant opportunism. Give cash, will play... and screw religion.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Pakistan National Shipping Corporation seeking new ships

This outfit is run by a retd. Brigadier, that must really have caused heartburn in Naval HQ :(( :(( The entire Navy couldnt muscle aside a one star. :(( :((
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Section of Congress not in favor of MMS meeting Pakistani counterpart anytime soon. Let's see what happens. The fact they are sending such stuff to the media shows there is some disconnect between PMO and Congress on this.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/mar/ ... y-bill.htm


After the Sharm-al-Sheikh episode, where India allowed Pakistan to mention its concerns over Balochistan for the first time in a joint statement, a section of the party feels the PM should move more cautiously on issues related to the US and Pakistan.

The PM will get two opportunities to meet his Pakistani counterpart -- in the US and then again at the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation summit in Bhutan in April. But the party brass feels there should not be any summit meetings involving the two PMs in either of these venues. "Secretary-level talks have just resumed. Let this continue for some time and then we can decide on the next level of dialogues with Pakistan," says a leader
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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csharma wrote:Section of Congress not in favor of MMS meeting Pakistani counterpart anytime soon. Let's see what happens. The fact they are sending such stuff to the media shows there is some disconnect between PMO and Congress on this.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/mar/ ... y-bill.htm


After the Sharm-al-Sheikh episode, where India allowed Pakistan to mention its concerns over Balochistan for the first time in a joint statement, a section of the party feels the PM should move more cautiously on issues related to the US and Pakistan.

The PM will get two opportunities to meet his Pakistani counterpart -- in the US and then again at the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation summit in Bhutan in April. But the party brass feels there should not be any summit meetings involving the two PMs in either of these venues. "Secretary-level talks have just resumed. Let this continue for some time and then we can decide on the next level of dialogues with Pakistan," says a leader

The congress is the most implacable foe of the pakis. Historically they have the deepest understanding of the motivation and shenanigans of the paki brethren since before partition.

Any wonder that musharraf was desperate to sew up kashmir with the BJP? The BJP are novices in the power play because they have always been in opposition and continue to have an opposition mindset. The jokers will never rise above it. They blew their god given chances due to sheer inexperience and the political grandstanding of old men.

MMS is a political novice with a babu mentality that he has honed over decades and also a "congress" outsider who sits on the gaddi quite by chance and not by choice.

The pakis exploit this by insisting on "one on one" meetings with him followed by saccharin sweet doses of pappi jappi. Havana and sharm el sheik was the result.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Last week in Karachi, Sunni Muslim Cleric’s were the trophy’s of choice with Mufti Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri and Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Nadeem, among others, gunned down.

This week in Karachi the trophy’s of choice are the Mohajirs, more particularly those that belong to or are associated with the MQM’s Haqiqi faction:

Four more MQM-H men gunned down
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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For any jingoes ( still) having any wet dreams of Indian offensive action to protect its citizens, this is provide music to the ears ( sic) :roll: :roll: :
India rules out surgical strike on terror camps in Pak
India on Thursday ruled out the possibility of any surgical strike on terror camps inside Pakistan, but asserted that adequate measures would be taken to ensure its interests are protected.

"No, no," Minister of State for Defence M M Pallam Raju, said when asked about the possibility of surgical strikes on terror camps inside the neighbouring country.

He told reporters here, "We will take adequate measures to see to it that our nation is safe, our citizens are safe, and our interests are safeguarded."

While expressing hope that Pakistan will act against terror camps operating from its soil, he said India will also ensure that its interests are protected and the nation is secure.

"The first responsibility is towards ensuring adequate security towards which we are leaving no stone unturned. Beyond that whatever information we have about these camps, we have brought it to the notice of our neighbour and we hope they will take action on that," he said on the sidelines of a seminar at the Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses here.

"It is a stated policy that they (Pakistan) will do infiltration in Jammu and Kashmir. Across the borders, we are taking adequate safety measures and we are continuing to talk to that government. I am sure there will be results at the end of the day," he said.
Wonder if he sees the contradiction in his own statements about infiltration being a policy of Pak and talking to Pak to stop it.

No wonder we are seen like a punchbag state by the world.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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vishal wrote: Extract: Informed sources said that the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) President Giles Clarke had informed his Pakistani counterpart Ijaz Butt in a communication that betting and alcohol partners were making up a large proportion of the bid fee through pouring rights and advertising inventory.

Haraam with aaraam :) The Pukes have discovered secularism with a dash of capitalism along with their abundant opportunism. Give cash, will play... and screw religion.
Increasingly it seems to me that this is a very effective RAPE strategy. I am not saying the RAPE are extremely clever - but the effectiveness of this strategy could have become clear to them over the years making them perfect it. The RAPE themselves are allowed to be Pork-eating-whisky swilling like dJinnah, pure Islam is for the masses. The act of making pure Islam a goal for the "masses" helps the latter see India the kafir state as an enemy, while the pork-eating-whisky-swilling RAPE can befriend the US/West who see them as moderate and fun loving.

There is the added advantage that after a point pure Islam causes the hackles of Hindus to rise in India - and any angry Hindus in India are used by the RAPE to point out the threat that kafir India poses to Islam. Hindus again can be easily needled and made to go on the defensive by statements like "We ruled you" etc. The tighter the twist in the Hindu langoti, the greater the "threat" to Islam and therefore the greater the piety required by mango Abduls and the greater the amount of aid money needed by the Paki army and RAPE to keep India at bay.

In the final analysis it represents the two sides of the Pakistani identity - the Pork eating whisky drinking Jinnah Muslim of Pakistan and the pure Iqbal-Maududi Muslim of Pakistan. The LeT -Army combine of Pakistan represent real Pakistaniyat in which there is an alliance of the Jinnah Muslim and the Iqbal-Maududi Muslim - which is the original unity that gave rise to Pakistan. Both require hatred of the Hindu, and it is hatred of the Hindu that unites them.

But Muslims can be tuned to make them fear what is not "Islamic" and in that sense pork and Whisky are out (among a host of other unIslamic things) - and technically that puts the RAPE at risk. The RAPE class cannot really live their lives or befriend and entertain the West in the absence of djinnah like habits. So the RAPE must be forced to become more Islamic. A constant threat of Hindutva from India is useful for this. It is useful to aim Hindutva at Pakistan while maintaining secularism in India. The treatment of non Muslims in Pakistan should be a focus area for us. Also any thing that encourages "development" of Pakistan - like a secular education or birth control should be targeted as the work of kafirs looking to dilute Islam in Pakistan and reduce the number of the faithful.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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^^ nicely put Shiv, I fully agree with your analysis.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Has Palam Raju not heard his own Home Min., PC publicly say that the next act of terror perpetrated by Pak will find India taking "decisive action"? It does indeed make a mockery of the GOI whose mouthpieces contradict themselves so farcially.

Footnote to history.

Colonel Khushwaqt-ul-Mulk-Obit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... -Mulk.html

Colonel Khushwaqt-ul-Mulk, who died on February 12 aged 96, was a scion of the royal dynasty which once ruled Chitral, a princely state of British India; as a soldier he took on the Faqir of Ipi and protected his nephew from the vengeance of a jilted Nawab of Dir.

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Chitral is Pakistan's northernmost district. Bounded on the north-west by the Hindu Kush, on the north-east by the Karakoram and on the south by the Hindu Raj range, it acceded to Pakistan on the country's creation in 1947. 

That Chitral became a part of British India at all (and thus of Pakistan) is an accident of history. Its formidable ruler during the second half of the 19th century, Aman-ul-Mulk, entered into an alliance with the administration in India in 1885 whereby, in exchange for their guarantee to defend the area, he undertook to be loyal to the British. 

This pact led to the stationing of a small garrison of Indian Army troops under British command in upper Chitral, where British authorities were concerned about Russian intentions in what has become known as the Great Game. 

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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The Energy Crisis in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan persists:

Ten hours of load shedding tests nation’s patience

Surely time for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to fall back on Islamic Science and get the FoDP to finance research into the “off beat” idea’s of the Al Qaeda linked UmmahTamir-e-Nau founder, Dr. Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood?

The specific ‘off beat” idea I am talking about is the one dating back to 1980 when as a senior director of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission, Dr. Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood had "recommended that djinns [or genies], being fiery creatures, ought to be tapped as a free source of energy. By this means, a final solution to Pakistan's energy problems would be found." (Djinn Energy)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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csharma wrote: The above is from B Raman's blog post. B Raman used to give high marks to the current govt for anti terrorist response. What happened? He changed his mind?

During MMS trip to US, it was said that Obama had assured MMS that US will help India in getting details on the Headley case.
Let me put it this way, even the most ardent of mushaira going and Ghulam Ali listening Dilli Billis have been spooked by the peace loving nature of adarniya PMji. PMO has fired all impediments to all sorts of compromises and prefers to crawl when asked to walk. On top of this US has not helped matters by its shenanigans. Raman, Sood and others are facing up to sad reality.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Pakistan / Gilani can be sum up lwith famous proverb..
" lahore de Shaukeen te , Bhoje /jebhe wich gajra"

Paki know the exact meaning of kangla and crorepati.
Anybody knows what Lahori Baen is? (Baen is the musical instrument that gets the snakes out of their holes and start dancing in front of the snake charmer)

In a classic punjabi lingo., when somebody start making excuses other person replies "Quit playing the Lahori Baen". I.e. "Main tainu nikka jiha kamm aakhiya se te toun lahori baen hi wajaan lag pian"

So pakistani elite and army has been fixated on the Lahori Baen (Kashmir) since 1947., and they think that they can easily get away by just playing this Lahori Baen.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Johann wrote:
- 1988: Libya commissioned a terrorist bombing on Pan Am over Lockerbie in Scotland
How do you know this? Don't just swallow the Anglo-US propaganda hook, line, and sinker. I followed this case quite closely. US first speculated Palestinains, then the Iranians, then the Syrians; and finally, it was most politically expedient to blame Libya. So called "evidence" is only as good as you can make it stick. US with its bull-dozing power can use some flimsy nonsense backed by B-52 bombers as "evidence" and people lap it up, while India produces fool-proof evidence of TSP terror as if any is required, but only backed up by dossiers and sanctimony; and TSP laughs it off as "literature" :-).
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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archan wrote: Is there a need for Bharat to respond every time a paki whines? pakis have been doing this for quite a while now, so what's new. Let them whine and beg, that is what they do best. If India is steadfast in her actions and beliefs, it has no reason to worry as she is stronger today than it has ever been since independence.
No, its not about responding to Pakis. Its about responding to US. Its getting tiresome and nasueating hearing US officials some how declare that their battle with Taliban and TSP's "help" theerof is God's duty, while TSO's terror through LeT against India as "tensions between India & TSP". I think Ms. Rao should have hammered home that message in istead of the crap about India crawling for peace despite TSP terror.
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