Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 Sep 2010 10:37

Ambar wrote:More to the question, i constantly come across opinions here on BRF that US provides a tacit support to ISI's designs in Kashmir and rest of India. Now, for the traditional atlantcists a stable country with a powerful leader are prerequisites to anchor the 'seeds of globalization'.How does a broken India serve this purpose? Surely, in this era of jihadists, the less the territory they control, the better isn't it?

India does not qualify to be a 'stable country with a powerful leader' as per atlanticists' definition. TSP under Musharaff will be an ideal candidate for them. They are looking to get things done their way inside these 'stable' countries without much resistance or trouble. Largest democracy in the world filled with filthy SDREs of myriad variety will always be a PITA to get things done that easily.

Destabilization and breaking up of India may not be the direct goal of atlanticists but it is the ultimate goal of their largest GUBO biatch in the region. They have to do it to keep the whore happy or else she will do soosai dhamaka during GUBO session.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Sep 2010 11:10

Ambar wrote:What curbs US policies from evolving with changing geopolitical situation ? US as a nation has been known for its pragmatic approach to problems than for its 'traditionalism', Pakistan's deceit was conspicuous by 1967 but yet there has not been a fundamental change in the US policies towards it.

Nothing stops the US from changing its policies. That is what realpolitik is all about and the US are masters of that. As I said, the US still sees, in the short term at least, a lot of benefits in its relationship with Pakistan. The US probably realizes that it cannot stop the fragmentation of Pakistan; it can only postpone that inevitability. The Pakistanis themselves are working towards that end stage, as they did with East Pakistan. The 3½ Friends cannot undo what the Pakistanis themselves want to do. The US is trying to get the best out of these circumstances, perhaps. So long as the US troops and US interests are in Afghanistan, the US needs Pakistan.

If you look at the timeline, the US needed TSP in the 50s for 'stopping the spread of Communism' especially as India wanted to remain 'non-aligned' and later had to seek the assistance of the Soviet Union when the US concluded military treaties with Pakistan and began to supply it with modern equipment, training etc. In the early 60s, the US tried to pacify an estranged Pakistan that threatened to turn to China (seceeding Shaksgam in 1963 to PRC) under a belligerent ZA Bhutto. In the early 70s, the US needed TSP's help to broker the relationship with PRC. As ZAB came to power in c. 1972, the trail went cold but was revived by the events of Dec. 1979. Gen. Zia ensured that no other intelligence organization came into Af-Pak region during those years thus denying a big opportunity for the Americans. The US allowed both covertly and overtly, the Pakistanis to acquire the nuclear weapons and their delivery systems. They also helped in their policy of using terror as a state policy. After c. 1992, the trail again went cold. However, the US still gave approval to the ISI to install the Taliban regime in Kabul with the Saudi money and support, rather than supporting the more moderate elements. After the Kenyan/Tanzanian bombings in c. 1998, the US again needed the Pakistani support. The Pakistani policy has always been "Yes, we will support you, but . . ." and the US acceded to those if's and but's.

Thus, events were either fortuitous that were cleverly exploited by Pakistan or were created by Pakistan to get the US behind it.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Sep 2010 12:40

India tells Pak to end its illegal occupation of J&K

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 611846.cms

Stating that Jammu and Kashmir is an internal matter of India, external affairs minister S M Krishna has asked Pakistan to end its illegal occupation of some parts of the state before advising New Delhi.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 23 Sep 2010 12:41

abhishek_sharma wrote:India tells Pak to end its illegal occupation of J&K

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 611846.cms

Stating that Jammu and Kashmir is an internal matter of India, external affairs minister S M Krishna has asked Pakistan to end its illegal occupation of some parts of the state before advising New Delhi.

India said this

amit · Post by **amit** » 23 Sep 2010 12:49

rkirankr wrote:India said this

Boss that's nothing new. That's the stated position of India. That we (meaning the forum) choose to ignore it is our problem.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Sep 2010 12:57

amit, you are right about the official, stated position of GoI. Yet, that position needs to be emphasized at every opportunity. There was no need for GoI to have said two days back that there was no democracy in PoK etc. We simply keep reminding the rest of the world (and ourselves too) that TSP must vacate and hand over the occupied lands to the rightful owner, namely India. We do not need to offer any other explanation whenever TSP refers to the situation within J&K.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 Sep 2010 13:13

If even BRFites are surprised to hear this then imagine the reaction of rest of the world. GoI need to assert this position whenever and wherever possible.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Sep 2010 13:14

Moreover, the solution discussed during back channel talks was substantially different from our stated position.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Sep 2010 13:19

Newspapers have reported that Paakis will raise this issue during UN General Assembly. Their Foreign Minister is already asking US to intervene. UN Secy General has issued a statement on violence in J&K. India is probably trying to preempt these moves.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 23 Sep 2010 13:55

amit wrote:
rkirankr wrote:India said this

Boss that's nothing new. That's the stated position of India. That we (meaning the forum) choose to ignore it is our problem.

Agreed Boss. But stated as in Squeaked. The amount of attention which the POK gets worldwide is negligible compared to the so called "Indian held cashmere" news/views and cr@p which gets reported world wide.
Also we do not make any noise about the atrocities on people(who are actually Indians under the occupation of Pakroaches) in POK by TSPA.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Sep 2010 15:57

rkirankr:

There is a reason for that. The TSPians in the valley under the tutelage of their TSP mentors raise the temperature. While the conditions in POK are worse, the people there are not provided any impetus, money, arms, propaganda etc, you name it. Wast it N^3 or whoever who said, peace in Kashmir, peace in general? Destroy TSP. No TSP no Kashmr problem

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Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 Sep 2010 15:58

lets get chankiyan - how about arming the gilgit/baltistanis to rise up against their oppressors?!?

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 23 Sep 2010 16:22

or simply announcing subsidies for the local textiles industry and perhaps even the Bangladeshi one...

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 Sep 2010 16:40

Pak asks India to stop treating Kashmir as its integral part

Upping the ante, Pakistan on Thursday said there can be no result-oriented discussions with India on the Kashmir unless New Delhi stops treating it as the country's integral part and seeking a solution within the ambit of the Indian Constitution.

Intensifying the criticism of the situation in Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit called on India to "revisit its approach and its Kashmir policy rather than trying cosmetic measures here and there because this is not going to bring about any difference as far as the Jammu and Kashmir dispute is concerned."

"Unless India takes a fresh look at its Kashmir policy, does some introspection and stops treating Jammu and Kashmir as its integral part and stops harping on seeking a solution within the Indian Constitution, we do not believe that we can really have any meaningful or result-oriented discussions with India on this (issue)," Basit told a weekly news briefing.

Pakistan must actually stop treating all parts of its ill defined country except Punjab province as its integral part. How dare a fragmented nation governed by pimps and pedophiles question us? These perverted b@$t@rd$ need to be put in their place.

Cold Start during CWG games, huh? Lets put a shot put ball in the nuts

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 Sep 2010 17:15

Lalmohan wrote:lets get chankiyan - how about arming the gilgit/baltistanis to rise up against their oppressors?!?

We should have done this long back. India has missed out big time in this area if B.Raman, Vikram Sood etc are to be believed.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 Sep 2010 17:18

All Kerry-Lugar aid to be monitored by Transparency

The bombshell came in the shape of a formal agreement signed between the USAID and Transparency International, Pakistan, on Wednesday at Islamabad called the “Anti-Fraud Hotline” Project.

A press release issued by TIP said: “The objective of the project is to ensure transparency and prevention of corruption in the utilization of $7.5 billion grant to be provided to Pakistan under the Kerry-Lugar Bill.”

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Sep 2010 18:43

Pakistan Army brutally killimg innocent chidren in swat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIe-lc03RPM

I dont know if its old or new.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Sep 2010 18:51

Dilbu wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:lets get chankiyan - how about arming the gilgit/baltistanis to rise up against their oppressors?!?
We should have done this long back. India has missed out big time in this area if B.Raman, Vikram Sood etc are to be believed.

I'm not so optimistic about such a scenario ever coming to pass.

The TSPA has in the past and will in the future shown the murderous genocidal instinct that every suppressed nationality and minority in TSP knows very well indeed. And there'll be no Scamnesty or NYT coverage where Saurabh Kalia treatment will be meted out day in and day out on people from the said groups on the mere whiff of suspicion or less. And India will be able to do precisely zilch about it.

Like sri n^3 said about misguided outpourings of support to the uighur splittists - "will you be there when the PLA comes and takes away antire villages into the night forever? If you won't, temper your enthusiasm".

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Sep 2010 19:21

This YouTube playlist shows how much Pakistan cars for the people of PoK

POWs from Kargil
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... uqINvYALTM

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Sep 2010 19:53

Altair wrote:Pak asks India to stop treating Kashmir as its integral part
Upping the ante, Pakistan on Thursday said there can be no result-oriented discussions with India on the Kashmir unless New Delhi stops treating it as the country's integral part and seeking a solution within the ambit of the Indian Constitution.

When are we going to ask back POK?

What are we waiting for?

Or does this long pending issue not figure in the sardarji's agenda?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Sep 2010 19:57

Blast reported in Sargodha

SARGODHA: a powerful explosion took place in Tariqabad, SAMAA reported Thursday evening.

Eyewitnesses told SAMAA the explosion took place near a office of a secret agencies. SAMAA

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Sep 2010 20:19

looks like we are not focusing on this issue as much as it deserves.

Nuclear Exporters Should Take up China-Pakistan Reactor Deal, U.S. Urges

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Sep 2010 20:22

Just the other day there was an article in dawn praising Shoaib Akhtar aka genital warts and now he has been caught doing what every paki bowler does the best

Camera catches Shoaib Akhtar tampering

As per the reports of a British tabloid, Shoaib Akhtar was caught on camera tampering the cricket ball in the 41st over of the innings.

In the picture released by the tabloid, Shoaib Akhtar can clearly be seen scratching the ball with his left thumb so as to make it reverse-swing. If that wasn’t enough, the speedster dropped the ball on the ground and stood on it with spikes right on the seam.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Sep 2010 20:25

Some contrast from today's papers

Pakistan needs more N-plants, IAEA told

Pakistani floods survivors await help to rebuild

So abduls want to build homes and TSPA wants to build nooke bum.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Sep 2010 20:29

I thought the TSPA gazi force when launched the operation in KP made the terrorists wet their shalwars atleast that is what the ISPR press release was telling us. Now it looks it was exactly reverse of what happened. I think pakis in all walks of life be it jernails or Ezaz butt or SM Qureshi or that new tennis player all learn in the same school of taqqiya on how to spin things and put the onus on opponent with basesless charges to avoid being hit by reality and their mango rapes will happily lap up this information.

Pakistan's military failures emboldening terrorists to launch more attacks

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 23 Sep 2010 20:31

Do we maintain the count for how many schools have met their 72 in pakhanastan?

Two Girls Schools Blown up in NW Pakistan

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Sep 2010 20:57

Ambar, In current language, "ISI is CIA's non-state actor in Asia!"

All the current catharisis is due to fallout among thieves.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 23 Sep 2010 22:13

Pakistan 'concerned' over Commonwealth Games

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Sep 2010 22:28

CIA Snitches Are Pakistan Drone-Spotters
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/09 ... -spotters/

Since 2001, the CIA has cultivated and managed a large web of Afghan proxy forces, Pakistan-focused informants and allies of convenience, as a richly-detailed Washington Post piece reports today. Some of the CIA’s Afghans are more brutal and incompetent than the agency portrays, according to people with direct experience with them. And some are the missing piece behind America’s unacknowledged war in Pakistan, a CIA-driven effort that the agency considers one its proudest achievements.
While the end result of the drone strikes is visible for anyone to see — the New America Foundation keeps a running tally of the missile attacks — their origins are far more opaque. The only possible explanation for how the drones have so far launched 71 strikes in 2010 compared to 34 in 2008 is that the intelligence network supporting them in the Pakistani tribal areas has grown more robust. After all, someone needs to provide usable intelligence about militant activity for the drones to target. But while CIA Director Leon Panetta has bragged that the drone program is “the most aggressive operation that CIA has been involved in in our history,” he and other agency officials have (understandably) said practically nothing about the informant network upon which the drones depend.
That’s led al-Qaeda and its allies to take lethal countermeasures against anyone and anything they suspect to be tied to the drones. They kill local Pakistanis in the tribal areas suspected of being informants. They claim online that the CIA’s moles plant infrared homing beacons in militant areas to flash signals to the drones. And in December, they managed to sneak a Jordanian double agent, Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, onto a base called Chapman in eastern Afghanistan. Brought to Chapman on the promise that he could learn the whereabouts of top al-Qaeda operatives in Pakistan, Balawi blew himself up, killing seven CIA operatives and Blackwater contractors.
According to the Post piece, which draws heavily on the recent WikiLeaks archive of 77,000 frontline military reports from Afghanistan, Chapman, in Khost Province, is only one of a network of CIA bases, mostly in eastern Afghanistan, for training both its Counterterrorist Pursuit Teams and its Pashtun spy network. Firebases Lilly and Orgun-E in Paktika Province — facilities that the CIA shares with Special Operations Forces — are two more launching pads for the Afghan teams. The CIA backstops them with some serious firepower: a 2008-era WikiLeaked report that the Post unearths describes the CIA dropping 500-pound bombs on extremists who launched rockets at Lilly. (So apparently the CIA has air support as well

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 23 Sep 2010 23:04

Aunt Aafia is gonna spend the rest of her life behind bars!

NEW YORK: Pakistani scientist Dr Aafia Siddiqui convicted of trying to kill US agents and military officers has been sentenced to 86 years in prison. Aafia Siddiqui was sentenced Thursday in Manhattan.

She was labeled an al-Qaida supporter and was brought to the United States after her July 2008 arrest in Afghanistan. She was convicted of grabbing a rifle and trying to shoot US authorities while yelling, ''Death to Americans!'' Her February conviction touched off protests in Pakistan.

Prosecutors say Siddiqui is a cold-blooded radical who deserves life in prison. The defense sought a sentence of about 12 years behind bars. -AP

Sorry Rehman Malik and Quereshi! The DoJ did not heed to your calls for a "honorary deportation from the States". Now go on and burn a few yankee flags!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Sep 2010 23:28

Chinmayanand wrote:Pakistan 'concerned' over Commonwealth Games

They are a very concerned country saar.

Concerned over kashmir, water, terrorism, more water, international beggary, more water and India refusing to talk.

They have been allotted ground floor flats and a lota has been provisioned for their open air ablutionary comfort. Back in what passes for home, usually they just wipe with grass. ( when they remember, of course )

jai ho.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 24 Sep 2010 00:29

Chinmayanand wrote:Pakistan 'concerned' over Commonwealth Games

I am eagerly waiting for the games to start. I want to see Paki Ghazis (Yes those 1 Paki= 10 Hindu kind) dazzle the Commonwealth with their super strength, endurance, skill and athleticism.

For Info sake... in the last CWG Pakis managed 1 Gold.

James B · Post by **James B** » 24 Sep 2010 00:55

Nuggets from the Urdu press -TFT

India will attack through ‘cold start’

Jihadi publication Al Qalam reported that India had planned to attack Pakistan with ‘cold start’ - a strategy that invades without triggering the nuclear response. This attack will make possible encroachment by 70 km into Pakistani territory within 72 hours. India had also planned to likewise attack China.

Pakistan against Kalabagh Dam

Reported in Jang, a survey indicated that 55 percent of the Pakistanis oppose the building of Kalabagh Dam while 45 percent were in favour. At the same time, 93 percent were in favour of land reforms to break up the feudal system and 90 percent thought the judiciary was handing down verdicts that helped no one.

Punjabi Taliban arrested

Reported in daily Pakistan, three motorcyclists arrested in Ahmadpur Sharqia in Bahawalpur in South Punjab were discovered to belong to Harkat Jihad Islami (Lashkar Khurasan) taking their training under Maulana Jabbar Group of Al Furqan militia, once a splinter of Jaish Muhammad. The group led by one Talha confessed to attacking the ISI office in Multan. Gold, silver and jewellery were also discovered from their possesion. Talha’s brother in Lahore was Imam Masjid. Talha joined terrorists after religious education in Multan. He got jihadi training at Miran Shah in North Waziristan and worked for Sirajuddin Haqqani. His targets were the top politicians of Punjab and the WAPDA grid at Vehari. For funds, the group committed dacoity. He also disclosed that the ten other top terrorists in Miran Shah with head-money were all from South Punjab.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 24 Sep 2010 01:01

shravan wrote:Pakistan Army brutally killimg innocent chidren in swat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIe-lc03RPM

I dont know if its old or new.

Clearer/longer version

James B · Post by **James B** » 24 Sep 2010 01:02

Such Gup from TFT

Annual ritual

It is an annual ritual for members of Lahore’s civil society to visit the Wagah border in a symbolic peace delegation, and light candles with their counterparts from India on the night of August 14, that and the following day being markers of both countries’ independence from the British Raj (what we call WKKism on BRF). The members of Indian civil society, many of whom actively work for Indo-Pak peace, also journey to the other side and the groups exchange goodwill gestures across the dividing line. But this year, the Pakistani peace delegation was not allowed to make this symbolic gesture. The irony is that the group had written permission from the Presidency and from the Interior Ministry to do so, but they were prevented from making this harmless gesture of goodwill by the Invisible Soldiers Incorporated. (So, ISI put a full stop on Pakistani side WKKism) Verbally, a high up assured the organizers that there was “no problem” but this was clearly not the case when it came to it. A fax from the Soldiers’ PR arm also couldn’t unlock the door. And most alarmingly, permission from the government and our elected representatives counted for nothing. Despite repeated entreaties and applications from the organizers to the Soldiers, the peaceniks were stone-walled and prevented from going up to the border to light candles.

Cloak and dagger

Our mole reports that one opposition stalwart (presumably Badmash NS) has been repeatedly approached by senior khakis who have asked to meet him to discuss the “sorry state of the country’s affairs”. The gent has consistently refused to meet them, cloak and dagger style, and stuck to his guns that they have no business meddling in politics.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 24 Sep 2010 01:31

Tamang wrote:
shravan wrote:Pakistan Army brutally killimg innocent chidren in swat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIe-lc03RPM

I dont know if its old or new.
Clearer/longer version

WTF..... Is this for real....why isnt this allover the news???

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 24 Sep 2010 01:34

Pakistan's Roller-Coaster Economy: Tax Evasion Stifles Growth

http://carnegieendowment.org/publicatio ... w&id=41562

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 24 Sep 2010 03:41

Pakistani scientist sentenced to 86 years in US prison
AFP, Sep 23, 2010, 11.56pm IST

NEW YORK: A US federal court on Thursday sentenced a Pakistani woman scientist to 86 years in prison for the attempted murder of US officers in Afghanistan, in a high-profile case closely watched in Islamabad.

Aafia Siddiqui, 38, a neuroscientist trained at the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was found guilty in February of trying to kill American servicemen in Afghanistan.

"It is my judgement that Dr Siddiqui is sentenced to a period of incarceration of 86 years," judge Richard Berman told on Thursday's hearing.

As the sentence was read out, a woman among about a dozen Siddiqui supporters in court yelled: "Shame, shame on this court!"

How come still KFC are not burning in Islamabad ?

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 24 Sep 2010 04:43

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/ ... americans/

My comments in NY Times on the Neuro terrorist:

To all time travelling liberals here:
This lady has a very rich pedigree. Her second husband is Al-Bharuchi who is the nephew of – drumrolls please Al queda #3 Khalid Shaikh. When Khalid Shaikh was arrested he gave the name of this women. Also the locker account that she had in Baltimore had another name (she claimed another husband) one Mr. Khan associated with it who was an Alqueeda operative, and the keys to the locker were found with one Mr. Uzair Paracha who is serving 30 years in prison for terrorist activities, Her very first husband Dr. Amjad Khan has claimed he left her as he suspected her of fishy activities.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Sep 2010 05:48

Charlie wrote:
Clearer/longer version

WTF..... Is this for real....why isnt this allover the news???

These are some of the most disturbing videos I have ever seen, You can expect that complaints will make YouTube remove them in days if not hours. Please download and archive for future use. I have done that to both videos. Those soldiers are using what appear to be American supplied uniforms.

The shooting of groaning injured boys is very very real. But the release of such a video gives me hope for Pakistan. But there should be no future for the Pakistani army. Or their sponsors.