Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2012

[sadhana]

From Yawn this day 50 years ago
http://dawn.com/2012/08/29/non-muslims- ... s-opposed/

The Communications Minister, Khan Abdus Sabur, yesterday opposed the inclusion of non-Muslims in the Muslim League.

But didnt Jinnah say Hindus can be Hindus, Muslims can be Muslims, something something in a speech that nobody seems to be able to find?

In 1947, even Jinnah said non-Muslims cannot be allowed to be included in the Muslim League.

Jinnah's Interview to Robert Stimson, Correspondent of BBC, Karachi, Dec 19 1947 (excerpt)
'Speeches, Statements and Messages of the Quaid-e-Azam', ed. Khurshid Yusufi, Bazm-e-Iqbal, Lahore, Volume IV.

Pakistan League

Asked whether the Muslim League of Pakistan would eventually transform itself into a national organization open to members of all religious communities, the Quaid-i-Azam said the time had not yet come for a national organization of that kind. Public opinion among Muslims of Pakistan is not yet ready for it. We must not be dazzled by democratic slogans that have no foundation in reality.

The Muslims have only just won their own Muslim homeland, and they still have to build a structure that will suit conditions and developments that will take place. But the decision to form a purely Muslim organization in Pakistan is not irrevocable. It may be altered as and when necessary to suit changing conditions. Nothing is static in politics. It all depends upon what progress we make and further developments that may take place..

[rajanb]

I have always considered Jinnah to have turned into an opportunist. The trappings of power, albeit for a short time due to his well concealed failing health, was power not to be ignored.

He was smart and educated and must have known:

Pakistan League

Asked whether the Muslim League of Pakistan would eventually transform itself into a national organization open to members of all religious communities, the Quaid-i-Azam said the time had not yet come for a national organization of that kind. Public opinion among Muslims of Pakistan is not yet ready for it. We must not be dazzled by democratic slogans that have no foundation in reality. (But who cares if we are dazzled by a Pakistan that has no foundation in reality)

The Muslims ( Which muslims won, pray? The green, greener or greenest?) have only just won their own Muslim homeland, and they still have to build a structure that will suit conditions and developments that will take place. But the decision to form a purely Muslim organization in Pakistan is not irrevocable. It may be altered as and when necessary to suit changing conditions. Nothing is static in politics (Correct). It all depends upon what progress we make and further developments that may take place.. (Aren't we seeing what developments? And the ones in China aren't muslims, right?)

Phew, What a travesty of history!

[sadhana]

Yeah, a plausible reason is that Jinnah was paranoid about Congress sabotaging Muslim League. It was probably the same then as it is today - nameless dread of the Hindu majority used to justify anything from rabid jihadi militias to economic policy.

[SSridhar]

Judge in Quetta killed because he was a Shi'a

[SSridhar]

The Muslims have only just won their own Muslim homeland, and they still have to build a structure that will suit conditions and developments that will take place.

I am sure that with the jihadi Islamists, such a structure that suits the conditions is being built at last.

It is also relevant to remember what Jinnah told Maulana Abu Ala al Mawdudi's representative as far back as c. 1941. I quote from 'Prelude to Partition 1941-1947'.

Soon after the formation of the Jama‘at in 1941, Qamaru’ddin Khan, the secretary-general of the Jama‘at, was dispatched to Delhi to meet with Jinnah. Through the good offices of Raja Mahmudabad—a deeply religious and generous patron of the League—a meeting was arranged between Qamaru’ddin Khan and Jinnah at the latter’s residence. During the meeting, which lasted for forty-five minutes, Qamaru’ddin Khan outlined the Jama‘at’s political platform and enjoined Jinnah to commit the League to the Islamic state. Jinnah responded astutely that he saw no incompatibility between the positions of the Muslim League and the Jama‘at, but that the rapid pace at which the events were unfolding did not permit the League to stop at that point simply to define the nature of the future Muslim state: “I will continue to strive for the cause of a separate Muslim state, and you do your services in this regard; our efforts need not be mutually exclusive.” Then he added, “I seek to secure the land for the mosque; once that land belongs to us, then we can decide on how to build the mosque.” The metaphor of the mosque no doubt greatly pleased Qamaru’ddin Khan, who interpreted it as an assurance that the future state would be Islamic. At the time, the Jama‘at decided not to make this meeting public, although it had served to quell the anxieties of the pro-Pakistan members of the Jama‘at and had been seen as a green light for greater political activism by the party. If anything, Jinnah had hinted that his task was only to secure the land for the “mosque”; its building, the Jama‘at concluded, would be the work of the religiously adept. What this meant for the Jama‘at was that a continuum existed between the activities of the Muslim League and those of the Jama‘at; where one ended at partition the other began: the Jama‘at-i Islami was to inherit Pakistan. The symbiotic relationship between the League and the Jama‘at, within a communalist framework, was strengthened.

[SSridhar]

First TSP student enolls in Pondichery University
There seems to be an unprecedented welcome for him, which suggests that a hidden hand is managing the show to further Aman ki Asha.

Ever since a car was sent to Chennai to pick him up from the airport a few days ago and a rousing reception provided at the campus by classmates and university officials, the police seem to have developed a keen interest in him if only because of the fluctuating relationship that the two neighbour-nations has shared down the years.

Raza, who is the first Pakistani student to enrol at the Pondicherry University, is also one of the few Pakistani students pursuing higher education in India.

Raza, son of Ahamed Raza from Al-Noor City, Pattoki in Kasur district of Pakistan, has been given admission by the UNESCO Madanjeet Singh Institute for South Asia Regional Cooperation (UNESCO MISARC), which was inaugurated recently by the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in Pondicherry University.

The presence of Raza, who is pursuing MA in South Asian Studies, along with 18 students from India, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and other SAARC (South Asia Association of Regional Cooperation) countries in the university, is considered to be an important change in realising the dream of UNESCO Ambassador Madanjeet Singh, who founded South Asia Foundation with the aim of promoting regional cooperation and peace through education, mutual understanding and friendship among the young people of South Asia.

B. Mohanan Pillai, Director, UNESCO MISARC, said since the university officials faced a lot of hurdles in getting visa for the Pakistani student, which was obvious in general, it was raised at the Governing Council meeting of South Asia Foundation held in France recently. Subsequently, the SAF took it up the matter with Ministries concerned.

Though Mr. Raza movements are restricted and monitored by the police, staying in India is a delightful experience for him. He feels that he has broken the deadlock over getting visa for studying in India.

“I feel I am the luckiest Pakistani for being permitted to pursue higher studies in India, which has tremendous potential for higher education. I don’t have words to describe the hospitality, affection and love shown by the Indian brethrens, professors and others. I don’t feel I am too far away from my home. I feel at home here enjoying each and every moment of life,” Mr. Raza told The Hindu .

He added that when he approached the Indian High Commission in Pakistan for visa, the officials told him that there was no provision for issuing visa for Pakistani students. Quoting a website he pointed out that there were restricted provisions for student visa in India on a case by case basis and finally he was granted visa. If the visa procedures were simplified, a large number of Pakistani students would come for pursuing higher studies in India, Mr. Raza hoped.

[anupmisra]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... ndu-friend
My Hindu friend

Isn't it great recounting one's past in the hope of recanting any "unfortunate, politically incorrect" incidents that happened in that particular time of one's life? Did the author enjoy the humiliation that the Hindu kid had to endure? But hey, this is sort of like coming clean for the author after the fact. The real question is what did he do when he saw this injustice happen to his "friend" in real time? Did he question the books he was forced to read? or, stay quiet and enjoy the show? Or was he just another witness (a mere spectator) to that SOB kicking the Hindu kid as it happened? Very typical of what I am now reading in Pakistani newspapers. Lots of Pakistani writers who have all of a sudden discovered that they had Hindu and Christian "friends" while growing up.

[anupmisra]

First TSP student enolls in Pondichery University

“I feel I am the luckiest Pakistani... I don’t feel I am too far away from my home. I feel at home here enjoying each and every moment of life.

There goes the neighborhood.

[Suppiah]

^^^ Isn't that a Shia name? Must be running for his life from TSP..

[shyamd]

PLA is negotiating for a base in TSP. Western intel was watching a PLA guy named Chen Quifa. He is trying to set up a deal with TSP to pick up and get access to the parts of UAVs or downed aircraft(that the talebs pick up and pass onto ISI) for PRC research purposes.

[Joseph]

Raza, who is the first Pakistani student to enrol at the Pondicherry University, is also one of the few Pakistani students pursuing higher education in India.

Raza, son of Ahamed Raza from Al-Noor City, Pattoki in Kasur district of Pakistan, has been given admission by the UNESCO Madanjeet Singh Institute for South Asia Regional Cooperation (UNESCO MISARC), which was inaugurated recently by the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in Pondicherry University.

The presence of Raza, who is pursuing MA in South Asian Studies, along with 18 students from India, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and other SAARC (South Asia Association of Regional Cooperation) countries in the university, is considered to be an important change in realising the dream of UNESCO Ambassador Madanjeet Singh, who founded South Asia Foundation with the aim of promoting regional cooperation and peace through education, mutual understanding and friendship among the young people of South Asia.

South Asia Foundation

Founded by UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador Madanjeet Singh in 2000, the South Asia Foundation (SAF)
is a secular, non-profit and non-political organization, comprising eight autonomous chapters:
Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

SAF’s core objective is to promote regional cooperation through a number of UNESCO Madanjeet Singh Institutions of Excellence
in the eight SAARC countries, offering courses in Preservation of Cultural Heritage (Kabul), Human Rights and Common Law (Dhaka),
Forestry Studies (Bumthang, Bhutan), Journalism (Chennai), Kashmir Studies (Srinagar), Regional Cooperation (Pondicherry),
Green Energy Technology (Pondicherry), Climate Research (Maldives), Development Studies (Kathmandu), Visual Arts (Lahore),
South Asian Studies (Lahore), Water Management (Moratuwa, Sri Lanka).

Something is wrong with Raza coming to Pondicherry since the Paki should be at the Lahore campus doing his South Asia Studies.

The campus for South Asia Studies is in a country that wants to distance itself from South Asia.

[rkirankr]

Pakis give up POK(In school atlas)


Maybe subconsciously they have given up POK

[SSridhar]

Prepare against Pakistani Nukes

[anupmisra]

Pakis give up POK(In school atlas)

It is a grave mistake...

Yep! 6' X 3' X 6' deep.

[krisna]

Pakis give up POK(In school atlas)


Maybe subconsciously they have given up POK

Unable to look after POK have given it to dlagon.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1331324#p1

In aid of Gilgit-Baltistan

The brutal sectarian murder that took place near Babuser Pass may not sound like much of an economic story to most people, but it is of such universal importance that it would be naïve to think that economic matters are divorced from the steady descent of our country into a boiling cauldron of primitive hatreds.

However, the human tragedy that the killings represent is the first order of priority to highlight. There are only two overland linkages that the erstwhile Northern Areas have with the rest of Pakistan, and both of them have seen brutal sectarian murders.

The eyewitness accounts are chilling, where passengers are offloaded from buses, their papers examined, and Shias separated from Sunnis.

With both roads that connect them with the rest of the country now under attack, the people of the Northern Areas are effectively cut off from their own country. Air travel is far too limited to handle the traffic that goes back and forth, and there is no rail link.

To this day, the(attabad) lake has not been drained, and the government appears to have abandoned all efforts to drain it. More than two years after the original tragedy, the only way to go beyond Attabad is by an hour-long boat journey in completely unregulated crafts.

Compounding the situation is the condition of the Karakorum Highway. This once proud road has been ripped up almost completely from the China border almost down to Thakot. It is being repaved by a Chinese construction company, and some stretches do present a fresh look, but the journey on this road has been turned into a nightmare as a result.

The highway is more than a strategic link for the army; it is a vital artery that connects all those living in the northern areas with the rest of the country, and with each other. The journey from Gilgit to Hunza, which used to be a most pleasant three hours or so now takes more than five hours. South of Gilgit the situation gets worse.

A simple question that everybody who has seen this road wants to ask is: why did they rip up the entire road to repave it?

Couldn’t it have been done in sections? Who gave the order to rip up the whole road?

[anupmisra]

No foreign troops to be allowed in Fata

Islamabad will not allow foreign troops on its soil

Foreign islamists are OK. Need that strategic depth and all that.

[ramana]

Prepare against Pakistani Nukes

Prepare against Pakistan nukes

By Satish Chandra
28th August 2012 11:56 PM
The rapidity of Pakistan’s nuclear weaponisation in recent years has been under constant scrutiny in the United States and has been well-documented in articles in the ‘Bulletin of Atomic Scientists and the Nuclear Threat Initiative’ as well as in numerous reports of the Congressional Research Service (CRS). Regrettably, this does not appear to have been the subject of as much independent analysis and comment in India as in the US despite the fact that Pakistan’s nuclear weapon programme is clearly India-centric. Accordingly, the CRS’ latest report of June 26, 2012 titled ‘Pakistan’s Nuclear Weapons: Proliferation and Security Issues’ merits attention.

Addressing widespread apprehensions, particularly in the US, about the possibility of Pakistani nuclear weapons falling into the hands of jihadi elements, the report tends to suggest that Pakistan has put in place adequate security systems to obviate such a development. It, however, concedes that ‘the collapse or near-collapse of the Pakistani government is probably the most likely scenario in which militants or terrorists could acquire Pakistani nuclear weapons’. It may be recalled that much the same point had been made by former president Prevez Musharraf. The attacks by jihadi forces with inside help on Pakistani military bases, most notably at the Mehran Naval Base in May 2011 and recently at Kamra, would suggest that the possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of militants is much higher than the CRS report would have us believe.

Significantly, the report places the Pakistani nuclear warhead stockpile at 90-110 as against 60-80 for India and suggests that vigorous moves are underway in order to effectuate a ‘quantitative and qualitative improvement in Islamabad’s nuclear arsenal’.

These assertions echo those made in a 2011 Hans Kristensen and Robert Norris report published by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists which inter alia said that Pakistan has the world’s fastest growing nuclear stockpile and at current rates of expansion its 90-110 warheads could, over the next 10 years increase to 150-200 warheads; its stockpile of highly-enriched uranium and weapons-grade plutonium, as estimated by the International Panel on Fissile Material in 2010, were sufficient to produce 160-240 warheads; its current rate of production of fissile material is sufficient to produce 10-21 nuclear warheads annually. This capability will be enhanced as it is building two new plutonium production reactors and an additional plutonium reprocessing facility; its two squadrons of F16 A/B aircraft with a range of 1,600 kms have for long been earmarked for delivery of nuclear bombs. In March 2011 a new squadron of F16 C/D was also acquired for this role; it has three operational ballistic missiles: the Ghaznavi (Hatf-3, range under 400 kms), the Shaheen (Hatf-4, range over 450 kms) and the Ghauri (Hatf-5, range over 1,200 kms). In addition, it has three other ballistic missile systems likely to see early induction notably the Shaheen II (Hatf-6, range over 2,000 kms), the Abdali (Hatf-2, range 180 kms) and the Nasr (Hatf-9, range 60 kms). Pakistan is also developing two nuclear capable cruise missiles namely the ground launched Babur (Hatf-7, range 600 kms) and the air/sea launched Ra’ad (Hatf-8, range over 350 kms).

Unlike India, Pakistan does not have a ‘no-first-use’ policy and not only is its nuclear arsenal India-specific but also the threshold for its use is disturbingly low. This is corroborated by Pakistan’s focus on short range nuclear capable ballistic and cruise missiles. One may also refer to the interview given to the Landau Network, an Italian arms control organisation, in January 2002, by General Khalid Kidwai, the director general of the Strategic Plans Division of the National Command Authority of Pakistan wherein he indicated that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons were ‘aimed solely at India’ and would be used against it if India attacked Pakistan and conquered a large part of its territory, or if India destroyed a large part of either its land or air forces, or of India sought to strangle Pakistan’s economy or if India attempted to destabilise Pakistan’s polity or created large-scale internal subversion.

{Sounds like Hiranya Kashyap's demands}

The rapidity of Pakistan’s India-centric nuclear weaponisation, the low threshold at it which it is likely to resort to a nuclear attack, its propensity to military adventurism, and its readiness to act as China’s cats paw, makes it incumbent upon us to ensure that the credibility of India’s nuclear deterrent is never in doubt. This calls for speedily undertaking a host of measures. India should think of enhancement and upgrade of its nuclear weapon arsenal with a view to inflicting unacceptable damage simultaneously on both Pakistan and China as they may well act in collusion. This would call for a nuclear warhead arsenal running at least into the low hundreds that can be launched from air, land and sea both by surface craft and submarines. Land-based missiles should be mobile and located in camouflaged and hardened shelters. A sufficiently large, diverse, and survivable nuclear arsenal is essential in order to deter an enemy from contemplating the resort to a nuclear attack.

The creation of a chief of defence staff in order to provide 24/7 leadership, guidance and oversight to our strategic forces command and to ensure the speedy development of an effective nuclear force must be done. Fail-safe procedures for the effective deployment and operation of our nuclear deterrent in all situations should be established. Alternative chains of command should me made fully functional so as to ensure an element of automaticity in the effectuation of a prompt and devastating retaliatory nuclear strike in the event of decapitation of our nuclear command authority.

Importantly, our ‘no first use’ policy needs to be tweaked by suggesting that if India is subjected to a nuclear attack by a country aided by a nuclear weapon state it would not merely react with nuclear weapons against the country, which initiated the attack, but may also do so against the abetting nuclear weapon state. Hopefully such a move may cause China to refrain from such collusive action with Pakistan and perhaps even induce it to act as a restraining influence on it.

Finally, the fact that India’s nuclear arsenal is being assiduously nurtured and that India has the political will to use it needs to be clearly signalled. The former can be achieved by holding regular meetings of the nuclear command authority and publicising the same as also the upgrade of our nuclear arsenal. The latter would be automatically signalled if we are uncompromising in addressing all security-related issues with firmness and despatch.

UPA might have to go for the latter to happen as they are compromised with US.

[krisna]

The Remit of Fear

I fear that the people unlearned and illiterate impressed by influence and the purchasing power of Saudi Arabia might be confused and unable to distinguish the House of Saud as being apart from the origin and the authors of Islam. I fear that this may be the case for Pakistan where matters are so far gone that if the father of the Nation, Mohammad Ali Jinnah were alive today he would not be able to go about freely for fear of being shot to death for being a Shi’a. Or the men who bank rolled the fledgling state of Pakistan with their wealth, M.M. Isphahani and Habib Ishmael, would if they were alive would be in danger. Or Mohammad Zafurallah Khan, who represented the Muslim League, upon the request of Jinnah, at in the Boundaries Commission which decided the borders of India and Pakistan at Partition and was the first foreign minister of Pakistan, if he had been alive today he would have been threatened with death for having the name Mohammad as his first name. Or Jogendra Nath Mundal the first law minister of Pakistan who would have also been threatened. Or the first finance Secretary Sir Victor Turner, the Christian, English Pakistani in the first cabinet. I fear that if any of them were alive today, they would surely have been in danger of being killed. Or the great poet Iqbal had he been alive he would have been targeted for his poetry in praise of Ali and views on Islam; the poet for whom the myth has been created by the State of Pakistan, that he dreamt of a state of Pakistan. Or, infinitely worse, the very founder of the faith, itself, if he were to be alive today and in Pakistan he would be in danger at the hands of these murderers who have bestowed the agency of the Divine upon themselves!

Rather longish article about the saud family scr*wing all other muslim countries. will cross post in west asia and islamism threads. has lot of data in the links given in the article.
worth a read also read the comments.

[arun]

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan the National Commission for Justice and Peace (NCJP) , a group formed by followers of Christism conducts a content analysis of the revised curriculum of Punjab and Sindh textbooks for 2012-2013 for inclusion of biased and discriminatory content against religions other than Mohammaddenism. Long time watchers of the School curriculum of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan will not be surprised at bigoted content of the curriculum:

'People of other religions busy in useless activities during religious festivals': So say Pakistan's school books

[anupmisra]

PLA is negotiating for a base in TSP. Western intel was watching a PLA guy named Chen Quifa. He is trying to set up a deal with TSP to pick up and get access to the parts of UAVs or downed aircraft(that the talebs pick up and pass onto ISI) for PRC research purposes.

They (the Chini PA) are negotiating a similar deal with the eyerainians.

[arun]

Canada located Pakistani origin academic Murtaza Haider gives his countrymen some advise on P.R. China:

Mistaking handshakes for friendship

Murtaza Haider | 1 day ago

Pakistan, we are told, has an archenemy and a steadfast friend at its borders. Telling them apart, however, may not be that easy.

One neighbour, where Muslims are a minority, has declared Eid festival a national holiday for all. The other neighbour discourages Muslims from fasting and attending mosques during working hours. One neighbour allows Muslim to practice their faith as they see fit; the other tries to regulate Islamic practices. One neighbour facilitates Muslims’ annual pilgrimage to Makkah by building dedicated complexes near airports. The other permits only the elderly, or those who the State finds patriotic, to perform the Hajj (pilgrimage). Pakistanis share culture, cuisine, and history with one neighbour. With the other no extensive cultural bonds exist.

Despite the State’s tight clamp on the 23 million Chinese Muslims in the northwest, Pakistanis continue to consider China a steadfast friend. Whereas, Indian Muslims practice their faith without government meddling, Pakistanis consider India an archenemy. …………………..

In the absence of a common language, music, or cuisine, it is hard to see why Pakistanis and Chinese would see each other as bosom buddies. There exists a formal relationship between the two States, which may not be confused with steadfast friendship between the two peoples. As Ahmad Faraz once wrote: Not everyone who shakes your hand is a friend.

[Prem]

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... -internal/

Is Pakistan’s Army At War With Itself[/b]
FWIW

Pakistan was built on a rejection of secularism, democracy and pluralism: everything India stood for. It established itself as a Muslim country, and politicians eventually clarified exactly who is “Muslim” according to the Constitution.As the Army battles the Pakistani Taliban, that definition is under dispute. As Feisal Naqvi writes in an illuminating article in Pakistan’s Express Tribune,
[T]he rank and file of the Army have been deliberately indoctrinated with the belief that they are warriors of Allah whose job is to keep infidels at bay. In other words, the average soldier’s patriotism has a distinctly religious tinge in which Pakistan is a fortress of Islam and its enemies are also enemies of Islam.
Now this worldview is certainly useful in motivating people to kill Indians. At the same time, it has limited utility when it comes to jihadis because the jihadis claim to be even better Muslims than us.Till date, the Army has tried to deal with this problem not by changing its propaganda but by painting jihadis as Indian stooges. It has done so because it believes the present moment is simply too delicate for wholesale ideological retooling. In other words, the Army thinks that telling the jawans to protect a pluralistic ideal could well result in mass mutiny.Naqvi astutely notes that the Army’s strategy works in the short term. But in the long term?
Pakistan, therefore, has two options. The rational option is to move in a more pluralistic direction where the state doesn’t have the right to define anyone as a non-Muslim. The politically feasible option is to continue with the status quo but to try and differentiate our particular brand of witch-hunting from the tactics of the TTP [the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, alternatively known as the Pakistani Taliban]. I understand that the rational option is politically dangerous. Unfortunately, the politically feasible option doesn’t work for Shias like me. That’s because we’re likely to wind up dead under that option. Furthermore, while preserving the status quo may work in the short term, the long-term result of such cowardice is likely to be civil war.
Rationally speaking, the Army no longer has the option of staying silent. Yes, it is not the Army’s job to fix our muddled and hateful beliefs. But if the Army doesn’t at least prod the civilians into acting, this country will fall apart. When that happens, there will be no Pakistan. And no Pakistan Army either.No part of this story paints a hopeful picture for the future of Pakistan. Does Pakistan’s leadership recognize the danger? Or has the country gone too far down a dark road to be able to turn itself around?

[RCase]

India should stop milking 26/11

While India has a right to be aggrieved about our lethargic response to the Mumbai attacks, the peace process should not be hindered. It is better to concentrate on issues like a liberalised visa regime and freer trade, {make it easier for recee missions, arms supply and FICN} where agreement can be sought. The spectre of terrorism will always hang over the two countries’ relations but should not be allowed to consume them. The Pakistani judicial system is notoriously poor when it comes to convicting alleged terrorists for a variety of reasons, including poor evidence gathering, fear of militant reprisals and interference from lawless intelligence agencies. Though this frustrates India, punishing the civilian government for these problems will only end up strengthening those who have no desire for peace {yeah ==, Pakistan too is a victim of terror and suffers equally}.

[BijuShet]

From Tribune (news article posted in full). Lawyers of TSP (Black coat Jehadis) are back in full form.
Rimsha being favoured: Accuser's lawyer

By AFP / Reuters - Published: August 30, 2012

ISLAMABAD: A court adjourned on Thursday a bail hearing for a Christian girl accused of blasphemy, prompting human rights activists to make fresh calls for her release in a case that has drawn renewed criticism of the country’s anti-blasphemy laws.

The girl, named Rimsha, has been held since August 16 on suspicion of desecrating the Muslim holy book, an offence that can carry a life prison sentence under Pakistan’s strict blasphemy laws.

Doctors and officials are “favouring” a young Pakistani Christian girl charged with blasphemy after allegedly burning papers containing Qurani verses, the lawyer for her accuser claimed today.

A medical report earlier this week said Rimsha was around 14 years old – her age had been in dispute – and appeared to be “uneducated” with a mental age below her true age.

But after a brief hearing in the case on Thursday, which Rimsha did not attend, Rao Abdur Raheem, the lawyer representing her accuser, rejected the doctors’ assessment.

“The victim has admitted that she burned a chapter of the Holy Quran,” he told reporters outside court in Islamabad.

“The doctors are favouring the victim and the state is also supporting her.”

Raheem also objected to the medical examination because it was carried out a day before the court formally requested it. Judge Raja Jawad Abbas Hassan adjourned the case to Saturday to seek clarification on the report.

The lawyer said he did not want to see Masih’s case turned into another one focusing on changing the law, and he warned that to do so could again incite a violent reaction.

“There are many Mumtaz Qadris in this country and we will support them,” the lawyer said, referring to Governor Salmaan Taseer’s killer.

Religious and secular groups worldwide have protested over the arrest this month of Rimsha Masih, accused by Muslim neighbours of burning Islamic religious texts.

“This will go on and on and this little minor girl will rot in jail,” said human rights activist Tahira Abdullah outside an Islamabad court. “We want her out of jail. We want her under protection.”

Rimsha’s case has prompted concern from Western governments and the Vatican and anger from human rights campaigners, who have warned the laws are often used to settle personal vendettas.

In July a mob of more than 2,000 snatched a mentally unstable man from a police station, beat him to death and torched his body after he was accused of burning pages from the Holy Quran.

[member_22872]

The Pakistani judicial system is notoriously poor when it comes to convicting alleged terrorists for a variety of reasons

Yes there are no terrorists in TSP. Everything is YYY conspiracy, including defaming water kit scientist. Then this guy writes a long article how BR is out to get TSP with TIRP thread and how it hurts his sentiments and love for his moth eaten country. Kill Indians, go back laugh, and set the 'alleged terrorists' free after sentencing them to house arrest for they are jihadis not terrorists. And for this India has to wait holding it's breathe for the final jury verdict. Awesome onlee.

[Prem]

http://dawn.com/2012/08/30/us-names-eig ... sanctions/
US names eight Pakistan LeT militants for sanctions

WASHINGTON: The United States placed sanctions on eight Pakistanis it called leaders of the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) on Thursday, one of them allegedly a key planner for the 2008 Mumbai attacks.
“The individuals targeted today include LeT members based in Pakistan who are involved in the outfit’s propaganda campaigns, financial networks, and logistic support networks,” the US Treasury said in a statement.The eight included Sajid Mir, a longtime LeT recruiter whom the US Treasury called the “project manager” for the November 2008 attacks that killed 166 people in Mumbai.Mir was also behind the recruitment of four “operatives” in the US state of Virginia in the 2000s, the Treasury said.Mir “cleared them for LeT’s militant training, and directed them to monitor and research US target sites.” Second on the list was Abdullah Mujahid, called LeT’s “senior paramilitary commander for Afghanistan” since around mid-2008.Also on the list are Ahmed Yaqub, called LeT’s chief for Bangladesh and Nepal operations; Hafiz Khalid Walid, who runs the LeT political bureau; Amir Hamza, a propagandist and central advisory committee member; Qari Muhammad Yaqoob Sheikh, head of the LeT ulema (clerics) wing; Abdullah Muntazir, called an LeT media official, and Talha Saeed, also in teacher and media relations for the group.
The US has labeled LeT a “terrorist group” and says it has links to the Taliban, the Haqqani network, and al Qaeda.The sanctions forbid US individuals and companies from undertaking any transactions with the eight and freeze any assets they may have in the United States.“Attacking LeT’s facilitation networks is particularly important, since charitable donations LeT raises in Pakistan – its primary revenue source – are used to fuel LeT’s militant operations,” said David Cohen, Treasury under secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence

[member_22872]

Awesome again, too much good news, so with US 'hand picking' the 8 'alleged terrorists' TSP now is a nice whoring country again and US can donate the 2 billion dollars for the period during which US launched the operation to kill OBL with the help of ISI. ISI actually is not rogue, only few retired generals are. US and TSP are equal partners in the global war on terrorism.

[BijuShet]

From Tribune (news article posted in full). The propoganda fed to TSPians in their textbook of the Hindu being a SDRE bania being transformed into reality. Good going Congress (I) sarkar. MMS and Soniaji Jai Ho!!!
Incoming funds: Huge Indian investment in Pakistan’s bourses expected

By Kazim Alam - Published: August 31, 2012

Stock market analysts have shown optimism that huge portfolio investment from India to Pakistan will follow the recent easing of investment restrictions that have hindered the cross-border movement of capital for decades.

India allowed Pakistani citizens and companies incorporated in the country to make investments in India in all sectors other than defence, space and atomic energy in the beginning of August. This announcement was followed by the reduction of items in the sensitive trade list by almost one-third besides the grant of permission to Pakistanis to buy shares in Indian companies.

“There’s likely to be more inflow into, rather than outflow from, Pakistan with regard to the recent developments. India’s stock market is expensive while Pakistan’s is fairly cheap,” says Muzzamil Aslam, Managing Director of Emerging Economics Research.

“You can have an oil share in Pakistan at half the price you’ll pay in India,” adds Aslam, who served as chief economist at JS Global until recently.

There was no provision in Pakistan’s laws that specifically restricted portfolio investment from Indian citizens, he said. Just like any other national, Indians would also buy shares in the Pakistani market through their regular trading accounts in international brokerage houses, he added.

“But Indian brokerage companies are now likely to collaborate with their Pakistani counterparts in a way that global financial services’ firms, like JPMorgan and Morgan Stanley, do by joining hands with local brokerage firms to trade on the Pakistani stock market. This development has a strong symbolic value,” Aslam said.

The recent abolition of some investment restrictions is likely to result in Indian and Pakistani brokerage houses joining hands to promote stock trading in each other’s country, which is expected to increase portfolio investment across the borders.

News stories in the Pakistani media say that Pakistani and Indian brokerage houses have decided to set up representative offices in the two countries after the successful conclusion of the recent visit of a Pakistani parliamentary delegation to Delhi.

There was an outflow of private portfolio investment from Pakistan amounting to $71.1 million in 2011-12. In 2010-11, the net private portfolio investment was $344.5 million. Similarly, in the first month of fiscal 2012-13, portfolio investment stood at $28.8 million, which came from the United Kingdom, Hong Kong, Switzerland and Australia, among others.

However, the volume of private portfolio investment from India to Pakistan has traditionally been negligible.

While Pakistan exported goods worth $272 million to India in calendar year 2011 as opposed to the imports from India costing $1.6 billion in the same year, media reports have quoted members of Indian and Pakistani business communities as saying that the volume of illegal trade between the two countries is approximately $10 billion annually.

Aslam stated that the size of Pakistan’s stock market was relatively small. “Of the approximate market capitalisation of $40 billion, free float is just about 25%, which means $10 billion,” he said, referring to the shares that are available to investors for trading on the stock market.

“Out of the $10 billion, about $2 billion is already foreign-owned,” he noted, saying that even a considerably small inflow, which is between $300 and $400 million, will leave a huge impact on the prices of Pakistani stocks.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 31st, 2012.

[BijuShet]

From Tribune (news article posted in full).
Diamer Bhasha dam: Japanese aid keeps plans afloat

By Shahbaz Rana - Published: August 31, 2012

ISLAMABAD: Japan has agreed in principle to finance the power houses of the Diamer Bhasha dam, renewing hopes that the project will not be suspended. The dam has been designed to generate 4,500 megawatts of electricity, which Pakistan direly needs, besides storing water for agriculture purposes.

According to a senior government official, Japan has agreed to finance the construction of the power houses of the dam through the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA). He said the move, if it materialises, will create a win-win situation for both parties: it will provide much-needed funding for the project and an opportunity to JICA to sell its equipment.

However, the exact amount of the funding has not yet been worked out as modalities will be finalised later on, the official added. Meanwhile, the authorities have informed the premier about this development.

The project was originally meant to be completed by 2017, but suffered setbacks after its lead financer reportedly backtracked from commitments. It is currently facing delays of up to three to four years. Officials say Japan’s decision is good news for the country: the $11.2 billion project can still be kept alive, after the Asian Development Bank (ADB) recently reportedly refused to fund the dam.

The ADB had committed $4.5 billion to $5 billion for construction of the project. The bank had also pledged that it would act as the government’s investment banker in raising the money from international capital markets to meet funding requirements.

According to media reports, the ADB has now refused to provide financing for the dam. According to a senior government functionary, the ADB has reiterated an old stance: it will be difficult for the lending agency to arrange the entire funding on its own, and it needs collaboration from other international lending agencies as well. The ADB itself has not clarified the news reports

Officials say that talks with the ADB continue, to convince the lending agency not to withdraw its support even if there are problems in arranging funds from other international lending agencies.

In its efforts to keep the ADB on board, the government has increased the land acquisition compensation cost to more than twice the original. The ADB had suggested the government increase the cost – in order to appease the affected population and avoid future litigation. The cost of the land acquisition project was less than Rs48 billion originally, but has since soared to Rs116.6 billion, according to the Planning Commission.

The World Bank has already refused to provide funds for the initiative, fearing a backlash from India as New Delhi considers Gilgit-Baltistan a disputed territory. However, the United States has assured up to $500 million in assistance for the project; to be paid out of the $7.5 billion Kerry Lugar aid package.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 31st, 2012.

[BijuShet]

From Tribune (opinion piece posted in full).
The silence of the faujis

By Feisal H Naqvi - Published: August 28, 2012
The writer is a partner at Bhandari, Naqvi & Riaz and an advocate of the Supreme Court. The writer can be reached on Twitter @laalshah. The views presented in the article above are not those of his firm

Pakistan’s slow-motion slide into sectarian hell has, so far, met with studied silence from all the major political players.

In the case of the PPP, the silence is mere cowardice. In the case of the PML-N and the PTI, the silence is calculated; a cold-blooded conclusion that there are seats to be gained from turning a blind eye. What is more interesting though is the silence of the khakis. Because of all institutions, it is the Army that has the most to lose.

The fact of the matter is that the armed forces are a pluralistic institution. Our officer corps includes not just Muslims of every shade but also Christians, Parsis and even Ahmadis. More importantly, while Shias form 25 per cent of Pakistan’s population, there is some evidence that they form an even larger part of the officer cadre. The Army may, therefore, be able to survive the day when Muslims refuse to obey Christians. But it will not survive the day when Sunnis refuse to obey Shias. Assuming that the Army knows this, the question arises as to why it is doing nothing. My understanding is that there are two reasons — one official, one unofficial.

The official reason is that it is not the Army’s job to determine the ideological contours of this country. Instead, that is the job of the civilian leadership.

Pardon the language but I am going to call ‘bullshit’ on that one. This country has been ruled for decades at a time by the military. Even otherwise, the military has generally been the single-most important political force in Pakistan. More importantly, while the roots of discrimination in our Constitution were introduced by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the reason why those seedlings of hate took hold and spread is because of General Ziaul Haq and his minions. If the Army is now troubled by sectarianism in Pakistan, it cannot wash its hands of the matter.

What, then, is the real argument?

The real argument is that the rank and file of the Army have been deliberately indoctrinated with the belief that they are warriors of Allah whose job is to keep infidels at bay. In other words, the average soldier’s patriotism has a distinctly religious tinge in which Pakistan is a fortress of Islam and its enemies are also enemies of Islam.

Now this worldview is certainly useful in motivating people to kill Indians. At the same time, it has limited utility when it comes to jihadis because the jihadis claim to be even better Muslims than us.

Till date, the Army has tried to deal with this problem not by changing its propaganda but by painting jihadis as Indian stooges. It has done so because it believes the present moment is simply too delicate for wholesale ideological retooling. In other words, the Army thinks that telling the jawans to protect a pluralistic ideal could well result in mass mutiny. At a practical level, this is undoubtedly a very powerful argument. There is also ample historical precedent for not worrying about subtleties in the middle of a war.

To take one famous example, the Bolsheviks spent 1917-1942 preaching to the world that nationalism was a bourgeois disease. However, when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, Marxist orthodoxy was swiftly jettisoned in favour of a full-throated nationalism and the cult of ‘Mother Russia’. This was because the average Soviet soldier was far more willing to die for his country than for the sake of class solidarity.

But does this strategy make any sense in the case of Pakistan’s current situation? Not in my view.

The whole point of a military ideology is to objectify the enemy, i.e., to reduce the opponent to an evil caricature who can be killed without compunction. Accordingly, the most important function of a military ideology is to allow differentiation between ‘us’ and ‘them’ so that the others can then be caricatured and killed.

In the case of the Germans, hyper-nationalism made sense because it allowed Joseph Stalin to portray the invaders as evil Huns. Similarly, jihadi nationalism makes some sense as a military ideology if the enemy is India because Indian troops can all be lumped into the category of ‘kafirs’. However, in the case of the TTP, jihadi nationalism is useless because it fails to adequately differentiate the enemy from ourselves.

Our current national ideology is a muddled mess in which we have decided both, that all citizens shall have the right of freedom of religion and that the state will decide their religion for them. This really doesn’t work.

Let me be more blunt. By stating in our Constitution that certain people (i.e. Ahmadis) do not have the right to consider themselves Muslims, we have accepted the argument that an individual’s religious identity is a political matter. It is not possible to reconcile that argument with what the rest of the world considers to be freedom of religion. Moreover, this conflict is not just theoretical: we have thoroughly legalised persecution of Ahmadis and yawned in the face of their suffering.

The net result is that there is only a difference of degree, and not a difference of principle, between the state of Pakistan and the emirate envisioned by the TTP. The state excommunicates Ahmadis. The TTP excommunicates both Ahmadis and Shias.

Pakistan, therefore, has two options. The rational option is to move in a more pluralistic direction where the state doesn’t have the right to define anyone as a non-Muslim. The politically feasible option is to continue with the status quo but to try and differentiate our particular brand of witch-hunting from the tactics of the TTP. I understand that the rational option is politically dangerous. Unfortunately, the politically feasible option doesn’t work for Shias like me. That’s because we’re likely to wind up dead under that option. Furthermore, while preserving the status quo may work in the short term, the long-term result of such cowardice is likely to be civil war.

Rationally speaking, the Army no longer has the option of staying silent. Yes, it is not the Army’s job to fix our muddled and hateful beliefs. But if the Army doesn’t at least prod the civilians into acting, this country will fall apart. When that happens, there will be no Pakistan. And no Pakistan Army either.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 29th, 2012.

[BijuShet]

From Tribune a blog post posted in full). A glimpse of TSPian life.
‘Revenge’ is my favourite word

Natalia Islam - August 30, 2012
I finally understand Khursheed's plight, at a cost I never imagined I would have to pay. PHOTO: REUTERS
Ramazan had begun and my dear Khursheed’s college had ended. I loved meeting her. Every day I would prepare Iftari for her, all set with a bottle of chilled Rooh Afza. She would come, collect the Iftari, stay with me for a while and then leave.

One day she told me that her father had accepted her cousin’s marriage proposal on her behalf and so I should not meet her anymore. I was enraged, furious at the thought of her being with someone else. I just couldn’t let her go away like this.

I thought to myself,

If she can’t be mine, then she shall not be anyone else’s.

The next day I went to her with Iftari like I used to. I sent her an SMS and requested one last meeting. This time my Iftari tray was a little different than usual─ there was a bottle sans the Rooh Afzah. However, there was a surprise in it; something she would not like.

When she came to meet me, I could tell from her facial expressions that she was not amused.

“I told you not to come! Baba is calling me. I have to rush.” she said.

I smiled at her and before she could speak another word, I hurled the contents of the bottle at her.

Acid.

She uttered a long, loud, piercing cry. I could sense how much pain she was in from her shrieks of agony. I had ruined her body. Her wailing had caught people’s attention and before I could be caught, I ran away.

As I ran, her screams echoed in my head, like balls of immediate, fiery guilt.

I thought to myself,

How could you do this? What have you done!

Nonetheless, I kept myself updated about her later. She was admitted in the burns ward of a hospital and her condition was quite critical. There were hardly any chances of her survival.

I was heartless. I didn’t care. I was engrossed in my own worldly affairs and soon enough she was forgotten.

Years passed and I got married to my neighbour. I have two sons now. I love my wife a lot, but she is not the first love of my life.

I am a lonely taxi driver whose wife despises him. She no longer accepts me as her husband and wants to get divorced after twenty years of marriage.

It was a warm day in June 2009, when a veiled woman sat in my taxi. Unlike most passengers, she was quite talkative. She talked about the weather, the markets, and the areas we drove through. She randomly enquired as to which areas I travelled in.

I replied,

Bibi, I only drive in this area.

The next day, while I sat in my parked taxi awaiting a passenger, I noticed a veiled woman and a man walking in my direction. Before I could fully grasp what was going on, I felt a wave of immense, scorching pain on my face. Within seconds, she had thrown acid on my face. I cried as my face burnt; an unbearable pain had taken over me.

The cruel woman unveiled herself, showing me her burnt face.

“Pehchana mujhay?”

(Do you recognise me?)

I fainted from the intensity of the pain and shock.

She was the woman whom I had loved so passionately─ my first love, on whom I had thrown acid. She was Khursheed.

It was in the late 90s that I had met her outside her college. I still remember how she ran after my rickshaw, shouting out,

“Rickshaw, rickshaw! Rickshaw walay, ruk jao!”

(Rickshaw man, please stop!)

When I had finally stopped, I saw a beautiful girl running out of breath, standing next to my rickshaw. Like any man would, I looked at this panting beauty with wonder, from her head to her toes.

She had long hair; her fringes covering her forehead slightly. Her lovely fair skin, blue eyes, rosy cheeks, thin lips, fluttering eyelashes, made me lose my senses temporarily.

My trance was broken when she spoke,

“Tariq road tak jaogay? Allah wali chowrangi kay kareeb?”

(Can you take me to Tariq road? Near Allah Wali roundabout?)

I nodded in affirmation, unable to speak as I had paan in my mouth. She immediately hopped into the rickshaw and covered her head with her dupatta. I looked at her in the rear mirror every now and then.

The next day, I intentionally parked my rickshaw outside her college, silently praying that she would come again. Luck was with me and she was searching for a rickshaw today, too. I parked my rickshaw close to her.

Maybe she didn’t recognise me as she asked me again if I could take her to Allah Wali Chowrangi, Tariq road. I agreed and she sat in the rickshaw. I didn’t need much of her instructions today because I already knew where she lived.

When she handed me the money, I bucked up the courage to ask her if I could pick her up every morning for college. To my utter surprise and elation, she agreed.

One day she finally asked me my name.

I replied,

“Mushtaak”

Then she asked me if I had a mobile phone so she could contact me if she wanted to go elsewhere. We exchanged numbers.

The following night I got a text message from her.

I was surprised. She asked why I don’t talk to her while she’s in my rickshaw. I told her that I kept quiet because I was scared she would get upset. She insisted that I talk to her and I replied to her with a neutral,

“Theek hai.”

(Okay.)

The next day, she told me she wanted to go a park rather than her college and we had a pleasant conversation. Very quickly, we became familiar with one another and started easing up.

This led to many more meetings and I soon realised that I was falling for her. I decided that I should let her know.

The following day, I asked her if I could pick her up as I had something important to say. I got all spiffed up and took her to Paradise Point, where I proposed to her like they do in the films. She said yes.

When I went with my family to her home with the proposal, they did not even let us in. Khursheed’s father rejected my hand in marriage for his daughter due to class differences. He insulted me and my family; his harsh words compelled me to become vengeful and take this horrible step.

Today as I lay on this iron bed in the burns ward, writing this story, the guilt hurts me inside more than the burns on my body. I have lost one eye and my face has been ruined completely. I can no longer drive a taxi and I’m helpless, incapable, incompetent and vulnerable.

I finally understand Khursheed’s plight, at a cost I never imagined I would have to pay.

[Anindya]

Pak panel can question 26/11 witnesses, PM tells Zardari

TEHRAN: India said it would allow a cross-examination of 26/11 witnesses by a Pakistan commission even as New Delhi welcomed global sanctions on eight Lashkar-e-Taiba militants including Sajid Mir by the US. PM Manmohan Singh, in a meeting with President Asif Ali Zardari, here also said he would only travel to Pakistan if there was a "substantive" outcome.

India would be willing to allow a Pakistan judicial commission to cross-examine 26/11 witnesses, after the home ministry has taken approval from the judiciary. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh assured Pakistan President Asif Zardari that India would move on this after Zardari said there were problems in Pakistan to taking the 26/11 trial forward. The half-hour meeting was held at the conference venue.

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During a much-awaited bilateral meeting between Manmohan Singh and Asif Zardari on the sidelines of the NAM summit, the PM underlined the importance of expediting the 26/11 trial in Pakistan. ... The meeting, which took place at the conference venue, was attended by NSA, foreign secretary and foreign minister on the Indian side and Pakistan interior minister Rehman Malik, foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar and Bilawal Bhutto.

Zardari reiterated the invitation to Manmohan Singh to visit Pakistan. Singh though clarified that he would only visit if there were "substantive outcomes," said foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai. This is the first time the PM has indicated that he would not undertake an "informal" visit to Pakistan. The PM said there would only be a graduated "step-by-step" approach to improving ties between the two countries. Zardari, Mathai reported, said such meetings were useful for the bilateral dialogue.

Expressing satisfaction with the steps forward on trade, the PM said commerce secretaries would be meeting soon to take decisions on three outstanding issues - customs cooperation, dispute resolution and harmonizing standards.

However, Malik, in comments to TV, said Pakistan would not be able to move against Hafiz Saeed because India had not provided any "evidence", and the Pakistan high court had already released Saeed for lack of evidence. In earlier comments to journalists, Indian officials had scoffed at this, describing them as specious arguments.

[krisna]

Pakistan: The demon the West created

The question often asked is, who penned the partition of India? Who was responsible for carving out Pakistan, a country that seems to have an insatiable appetite for bloodshed, and that has been responsible for, or associated with, more acts of jihadi terrorism then any other country on earth?

From Khalid Sheikh Mohammad’s 9/11 plans to the recent recruitment of jihadis in Burma; from the Toronto 18 to the London 7/7 bombings, fingerprints of Pakistan-based jihadi groups and ideologies are ubiquitous.

However, there is more to it than meets the eye. On May 5, 1945, the very day Germany surrendered, Prime Minister Churchill ordered an appraisal of “the long-term policy required to safeguard the strategic interests of the British Empire in India and the Indian Ocean.” Two weeks later Churchill received the top-secret report that, among other proposals, mentioned the necessity of British presence in Northwest India (today’s Pakistan) “from which British air power could threaten Soviet military installations.” When this was brought to the attention of Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, India’s Prime Minister and the Congress, they made it clear they would not accept British bases on Indian soil. On the other hand, Muslim League leader Jinnah was amenable to such an idea.

Thus came the great divide on August 14-15, 1947. After partition, the UK handed over the baton to the US ,who invested heavily into Pakistan becoming a frontline anti-communist military state. Today, the USSR is dead, but Pakistan is alive and has become America’s demon; one that successive U.S. administrations cannot put back into the bottle.

[ramana]

Mixing metaphors! One can put the genie in the bottle not the demon.
One has to give due credit to the original genie/demon Jinnah and his coterie or fiends. If it wasn't for him even Churchill's baap couldnt have caused the Partition.

[Prem]

Mixing metaphors! One can put the genie in the bottle not the demon.One has to give due credit to the original genie/demon Jinnah and his coterie or fiends. If it wasn't for him even Churchill's baap couldnt have caused the Partition.

Lets not forget that unintentionally creation of Pakistan have served long term interests of Indian state and civilization. Paap have to be provided the favourable enviornement to morph into Mahapaap before its slaying. The Arabic ideological leaporacy and Syphlis have to travel from toes to head to kill the host.Alhamadulillah, Pakistanis have arrived at this mindless , brain dead state faster than any one else. Churchil Jerker Jinnah's Jiinns are now Ginning the Dins and wondering when they will be whacked to Jannat.

[anupmisra]

Thank god for creating Pakistan.

[sadhana]

The Muslims have only just won their own Muslim homeland, and they still have to build a structure that will suit conditions and developments that will take place.

I am sure that with the jihadi Islamists, such a structure that suits the conditions is being built at last.

It is also relevant to remember what Jinnah told Maulana Abu Ala al Mawdudi's representative as far back as c. 1941. I quote from 'Prelude to Partition 1941-1947'.

Soon after the formation of the Jama‘at in 1941, Qamaru’ddin Khan, the secretary-general of the Jama‘at, was dispatched to Delhi to meet with Jinnah. Through the good offices of Raja Mahmudabad—a deeply religious and generous patron of the League—a meeting was arranged between Qamaru’ddin Khan and Jinnah at the latter’s residence. During the meeting, which lasted for forty-five minutes, Qamaru’ddin Khan outlined the Jama‘at’s political platform and enjoined Jinnah to commit the League to the Islamic state. Jinnah responded astutely that he saw no incompatibility between the positions of the Muslim League and the Jama‘at, but that the rapid pace at which the events were unfolding did not permit the League to stop at that point simply to define the nature of the future Muslim state: “I will continue to strive for the cause of a separate Muslim state, and you do your services in this regard; our efforts need not be mutually exclusive.” Then he added, “I seek to secure the land for the mosque; once that land belongs to us, then we can decide on how to build the mosque.” The metaphor of the mosque no doubt greatly pleased Qamaru’ddin Khan, who interpreted it as an assurance that the future state would be Islamic. At the time, the Jama‘at decided not to make this meeting public, although it had served to quell the anxieties of the pro-Pakistan members of the Jama‘at and had been seen as a green light for greater political activism by the party. If anything, Jinnah had hinted that his task was only to secure the land for the “mosque”; its building, the Jama‘at concluded, would be the work of the religiously adept. What this meant for the Jama‘at was that a continuum existed between the activities of the Muslim League and those of the Jama‘at; where one ended at partition the other began: the Jama‘at-i Islami was to inherit Pakistan. The symbiotic relationship between the League and the Jama‘at, within a communalist framework, was strengthened.

One thing about Jinnah which I find notable is his utter contempt for/dismissive attitude toward, the Congress as a party with a mass base(such as it was). That Congress (or any) party leaders might be constrained by the wishes of their constituents seems to be an idea alien to him. It appears that he believed that power flows ONLY from the top, and that the British(or the first rank of elite Indian leaders) could command and all below would have to obey.

I see this tone deafness/complete misreading of mass movements by Jinnah whenever for instance he would demand ever increasing shares of power for Muslims at the expense of other Indians, without any recognition by him that beyond a point, other Indian leaders could not realistically agree to give away larger and larger shares of the rights of their constituents without ruining their own political futures, whether because Jinnah demanded it or the British decreed it.

In that context, my guess is that Jinnah considered Jamaat i Islami including Maudoodi to also be an essentially powerless set of leaders to whom he could say what they wanted to hear, but who, when required, could be outmaneuvered by him and other (likeminded elite) Muslim leaders, and whose supporters would obey when commanded.

A lot of present day Pakistani politics is carried out on the same assumption of power flowing from the top, why persuade when you can decree, over power, manipulate, out maneuver or outgun from the top?

[SBajwa]

by Sadhana
One thing about Jinnah which I find notable is his utter contempt for/dismissive attitude toward, the Congress as a party with a mass base(such as it was). That Congress (or any) party leaders might be constrained by the wishes of their constituents seems to be an idea alien to him. It appears that he believed that power flows ONLY from the top, and that the British(or the first rank of elite Indian leaders) could command and all below would have to obey.

Sadhana! Welcome to BR


In 1945 after end of second world war, Churchill (before he lost election) wanted to secure the strategic interests of Britain in Indian subcontinent for which he wanted some strategic military bases in India close to Iran (which was under Soviet Union protection in world war II) and for which he asked Nehru, Patel and Gandhi. All three Indian leaders rejected the proposal but Jinnah who was already against the three Indian leaders accepted the proposal if Pakistan was created. Thus Pakistan is nothing but a place to protect the strategic interests of Britain and America.

Please watch this

[SSridhar]

From Tribune (news article posted in full). Diamer Bhasha dam: Japanese aid keeps plans afloat

ISLAMABAD: Japan has agreed in principle to finance the power houses of the Diamer Bhasha dam, renewing hopes that the project will not be suspended.

Japan is an important member of the 3½ Group.

[Dipanker]

From Tribune a blog post posted in full). A glimpse of TSPian life.
‘Revenge’ is my favourite word

It may be a good idea to not post all Paki articles in full. IMO just a paragraph or less should do. If members are interested they can click on the link and read it in full.

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