Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 13 Feb 2013 09:55

how UPA lived on NDA platform and squandered it

http://media2.intoday.in/btmt//images/s ... 110242.jpg

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 13 Feb 2013 09:56

ramana wrote: ...

When the PP was abolished I too thought wow what a progressive move and end of the feudal age. But as I grow older I realize a promise was broken and a new feudal dynasty was taking power. That move was not progressive, but the first of a series of regressive steps by INC to usher in DIEnastic rule.

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As on date even, the capitals of erstwhile princely states are better places to live, prosper and progress, e.g., Jaiur, Udaipur, Jodhpur, Baroda, Gondal, Jamnagar, Bhavnagar, Bhopal, Mysore, Gwalior, Indore etc.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 13 Feb 2013 10:19

vijayk wrote:http://www.niticentral.com/2013/02/modi ... ative.html

Excellent article...

The only part I disagree on is where he says Modi is not polarizing. My analysis of the past couple of months leads me to a completely different conclusion.

Modi is extremely polarizing, but perhaps not in the way the term was intended... The biggest and most persistent supporters for Modi today tend to be not the hard-Hindutva fans, but those who immediately get the huge difference Modi would make to development and competitiveness of India.

There is a strong polarization between aspirational India and status-quo / regressive India. Based on a person's reaction to Modi - I am fairly certain of predicting the level of aspirations of that individual for the country and his left/right stance on the economic spectrum.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 13 Feb 2013 10:28

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 13 Feb 2013 10:39

Sushupti wrote:how UPA lived on NDA platform and squandered it

http://media2.intoday.in/btmt//images/s ... 110242.jpg

The script so far has gone pretty much as has been discussed on the economy thread since 2007 or so.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 13 Feb 2013 10:44

ramana wrote:When the PP was abolished I too thought wow what a progressive move and end of the feudal age. But as I grow older I realize a promise was broken and a new feudal dynasty was taking power. That move was not progressive, but the first of a series of regressive steps by INC to usher in DIEnastic rule.

Unlike the Princes who got their yearly stipend, the INC DIEnasty has parked all its loot abroad and can live for generations on that loot which is beyond any future politicians hands. That loot is the INC Privy Purse in perpetuity.

Good analysis....IG basically eliminated competition from other royal dynasties in India - paving the way for foisting her own on clueless masses. Gandhi surname also couldn't have been more fortuitous - did she marry only for the surname by any chance ?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 13 Feb 2013 10:51

Suraj wrote:The script so far has gone pretty much as has been discussed on the economy thread since 2007 or so.

Perhaps, Suraj. But also mixed with a strong need, it seems to me, to protect H&D against Chinese and other trolls. At some point I think there will be a hard choice to make - is H&D more important or presenting the unvarnished truth so people can effect a change.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 13 Feb 2013 11:06

I have no idea what your cryptic post has to do with mine. If you're just continuing the whine in the economy thread in a roundabout fashion, you're wasting time and bandwidth.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Feb 2013 11:11

every few centuries, a huge new threat emerges in the settled world...mongols...huns...cossacks...arabs.."sea people"...conquistadores...
the current virus is the congress .. it exhibits similar traits as agent smith, taking over any host organism it can
and just like Neo was created for the purpose for cleaning up the agent smith virus, perhaps Namo has arrived at the right time and place.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Feb 2013 11:13

can he handle to cruise with the truth? it is revolution time once he takes charge, because angrez x-cross agents will multiply from the dark side with more potent evil spirits.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 13 Feb 2013 11:15

Suraj wrote:I have no idea what your cryptic post has to do with mine. If you're just continuing the whine in the economy thread in a roundabout fashion, you're wasting time and bandwidth.

Suraj, you seem to see 'whines' in every other post of mine !

Guess the two of us are on totally different planes and can't figure one another out at all... I will do you a favour and stop responding to your posts unless you are addressing me. Thanks.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 13 Feb 2013 11:51

I hope the NDA are aware of their lack of experience at winning elections at the national level. Where they've had state administrations in GJ, RJ, UC etc, they've been pretty good governance-wise. However come poll time, they've shown themselves to be less experienced at working out alliances and end up being outflanked by Cong maneuvers. I'm not aware of significant cases where the BJP managed to erode the Cong votebase through their own explicit actions, while the reverse has happened on more than one occasion.

In GJ, they've pretty much evolved into a presidential form of election, voting in the BJP to have Modi at the helm. Extending that to the national level will not be so straightforward. His popularity will undoubtedly enable the development of a groundswell in favor of voting for the entity he is part of. This might encourage regional parties to join in with the NDA as a bandwagon effect, but it's possible that Cong can sabotage that, or the BJP sabotage themselves by not being shrewd enough to present an alliance-friendly view of themselves without compromising on their core values.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 13 Feb 2013 13:05

This DNA site.
I think it has been bought over by the Dynasty.
They supposedly laid of 15 people. They have saikat datta on staff.

Now rachitseth / gsurya saying since the requirements were relaxed in 2003 to 15K feet (since only one chopper flew at 18K), it is an NDA scandal

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 13 Feb 2013 13:50

VikramS wrote:This DNA site.
I think it has been bought over by the Dynasty.
They supposedly laid of 15 people. They have saikat datta on staff.

Now rachitseth / gsurya saying since the requirements were relaxed in 2003 to 15K feet (since only one chopper flew at 18K), it is an NDA scandal

Owned by Agrawal family and Zee (Subhash Chandra Goyal family) JV.

A number of Agrawal business families seem to be strongly pro-Dynasty (Birlas, Jindal...). Gujju banias tend to tilt more towards Modi.

Zee (Goyal family) is supposed to be an exception and pro-BJP, but can't say I have seen much evidence. It also part-owns DNA.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 13 Feb 2013 13:57

Arjun wrote: Zee (Goyal family) is supposed to be an exception and pro-BJP, but can't say I have seen much evidence. It also part-owns DNA.

It was initially setup at the behest of RSS, early to ride on the cable wave. (Just like the web, chaddiwalla embraced the direct to home as a means to break the paid media hold) -- however later apparently the NDA govt did not treat him "special" as he hoped for and in addition, after 2004 he was given a "fait accompli" by the Italian mafia, either you are with us or against us.

All this from the highest sources within Zee.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 13 Feb 2013 14:34

Even before Zee TV there was another gun in town.
Remember Dr. Jinendra Kumar Jain and his Jain Studios? Videos-On-Wheels? Pran Jaye Par Vachan Na Jaye? Sagar se Saryu tak? The BJP's internal squabbles that led to his exit from the BJP after about 40 years as an active member of the Parivar?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 13 Feb 2013 15:01

Sanku wrote:
Arjun wrote: Zee (Goyal family) is supposed to be an exception and pro-BJP, but can't say I have seen much evidence. It also part-owns DNA.
It was initially setup at the behest of RSS, early to ride on the cable wave. (Just like the web, chaddiwalla embraced the direct to home as a means to break the paid media hold) -- however later apparently the NDA govt did not treat him "special" as he hoped for and in addition, after 2004 he was given a "fait accompli" by the Italian mafia, either you are with us or against us.

All this from the highest sources within Zee.

I keep seeing missionary programs on zee quite often. Taken aback that zee has sangha connections.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 13 Feb 2013 15:41

Why liberal is really illiberal in India

Glad that Ashutosh Varshney is getting called out for the fraud that he is...this was the guy who came out with the highly dubious theory around 'majority communalism'. This guy teaches in a US university.. there's no way in hell any intellectual in the US would agree to such extreme BS for their own country - but this idiot manages to foist his ramblings on India AND get support from a bankrupt left.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 13 Feb 2013 15:53

Inside the cyber-war rooms of the Congress and the BJP

Good india today piece on the runup to 2014. quite a few gems spill out on the inner workings too...

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 13 Feb 2013 15:55

Narendra Modi mantra echoes in BJP's campaign in northeast

http://news.oneindia.in/2013/02/13/modi ... 49135.html

The Bharatiya Janta Party is making serious efforts to spread itself in northeastern states of India on the strength of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's development agenda. While leader of opposition in Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley and actress-politician Smriti Irani are addressing a rally in Meghalaya capital tomorrow (Feb 14), party chief Rajnath Singh campaigned early this week; the party has put up 50 candidates for 60 Tripura assembly seats. Even though it has fielded only 13 candidates, the BJP's campaign in Meghalaya has been very aggressive and one of its leader accused Chief Minister Mukul Sangma of trying to enlist the help of underground elements in Garo Hills to win the upcoming elections. Speaking to local media (Shillong Times) BJP leader Kiren Rijiju said, "it is an irony that on one hand Congress was using militants to win the elections in Garo Hills, on the other the Chief Minister is claiming in the manifesto that the Congress Government will eliminate militancy." "I have been campaigning in Garo Hills and I have received inputs from people that the militants are resorting to unfair means in support of Congress candidates", he alleged. He also tried to debunk a misinformation campaign that it is anti-Christian as BJP has fielded many Christian candidates in Meghalaya.The Assembly polls are on February 23. The aggressiveness is seen even in Tripura where Rajnath Singh held couple of rallies and his constant theme has been Gujarat's model of development. "Gujarat has developed in such a way that it has become a role model of others. What has Congress and the CPI(M) done for Tripura in all these years," Singh asked at an election rally. He also touched the sensitive issue of immigrants and promised to deal with illegal infiltration with an iron fist and amicable solution to problems faced by people working in tea garden. "People from across the border are sharing the resources that were actually meant for you (Indian). Whenever our Government comes to power, they (infiltrators) will be identified and their names removed from voter list," Singh said. Arun Jaitley and Smriti Irani will address an election rally at Laban Sports ground in Shillong on February 14 at 1 pm in support for the party candidate from South Shillong Augustine Lakiang.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 13 Feb 2013 17:09

Sushupti wrote:how UPA lived on NDA platform and squandered it

http://media2.intoday.in/btmt//images/s ... 110242.jpg

Full article

Cost of UPA self goals: Chief of policy at Ernst & Young “It will take six to seven years to restore growth”

http://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/u ... 92152.html

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 13 Feb 2013 17:53

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 13 Feb 2013 18:21

It has been in Cong genes to subvert elections, I wont be 1 bit suprised if EVM manipulation conspiracy is right. In fact make that not an assumption but a fact.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Feb 2013 06:26

Meanhile rumor is R is considering inducting yasin malik into his close circle of advisors due to brilliance of this sort (from twitter)

>>‏@Padmajajoshi1 Yasin Malik takes the cake for cheek. He hopes that by sharing a dais with him #HafizSaeed will get 'influenced to adopt non-violent means'

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Feb 2013 06:38

All those who predicted the INC will queer the communal pitch, take a bow. This farticle shows the MO.

Our Hindu rashtra - the unmaking of secular India (HT)

Adult-rated unadulterated bilge.

While railing at 'selective prosecution and harassment' (of the mainortities alone, of course) by the state, the kool(aid)nmist selectively forgets the Kashmiri Pandits only. The commenst below rip the turd a new one.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 14 Feb 2013 07:25

English translation of NaMo's SRCC speech

http://bit.ly/VSOurc

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 14 Feb 2013 08:00

Thank you for the translation; while I know Hindi, I'm not fluent enough to understand every word of his speech in the original.

Modi clearly 'gets' it as far as both governance and economic development are concerned. I love his reference to Japan and South Korea, nations whose postwar development fascinates me, South Korea in particular. Has anyone seen pictures of South Korea from the early 1960s ? The whole place - even Gangnam - looked like an overgrown semi-rural slum.

I hope the BJP helps build a sufficient groundswell of support for his capability that the next general election becomes a presidential choice - not which divisive local concern needs to be salved, but which man should run this country. That's a posture the UPA cannot counter directly. The BJPs weakness lies in trying to play the coalition game on the UPAs terms - the latter is too experienced at that.

That's not to say they don't need alliance partners within the NDA, but they have to establish it on the basis of 'do you want in because people want Modi ?', as opposed to a vast porous network of patronage and influence with the Gandhi family as the implicit head, that the UPA runs along. Modi needs to be presented as a capable reformist alternative to politics centric Nehru-Gandhi family rule.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Feb 2013 15:03

Modi, Gujarat finds mention in Nagaland poll campaign

The juggernaut is rolling, plenty-o-momentum too.

DIMAPUR, FEBRUARY 13 (MExN): The success of Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of Gujarat, who has been acclaimed for bringing stability and development to his State, is finding popular mention here in Nagaland as the BJP undertakes its campaign across the State. On a campaign trail in Wokha, where the party is fielding two candidates, Rajya Sabha MP and National Mahila President BJP Smriti Irani used the success story of Gujarat to ask people to vote for the BJP candidates.

She was addressing a rally along with Dr. M Chuba Ao President BJP Nagaland at the residence of former Minister and BJP candidate TA Ngullie. Inviting the people to come to her State to see for themselves, the road condition and the electricity she said “Gujarat has developed immensely and this was all due to people’s support”. She said that Gujarat has Pucca road connectivity to all the villages and 24hrs uninterrupted power supply due to which all the schools have computer education facility.

The BJP MP went on to state that when the BJP came to power, in a matter of ten years, the State was able to get 39 Medical and Engineering colleges and “this is what the BJP government will do if voted to power”. “We will give you proper Roads, Medical and Engineering Colleges and your children will not have to go outside the state to study”.

NaMo name-dropping is becoming fashionable even beyond BJP (or even NDA) circles. Today's TOI reported that a former PRP man, now mantri in the AP govt - toured Guj, met NaMo and has decided to implement the Guj model of Maritime development for AP's almost 1000 km coastline. Heh.

Will put up the url tomorrow when it becomes online available.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Feb 2013 18:49

gee. shtrong pakprivacy here.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 14 Feb 2013 20:06

Yes.

Thanx for the English translation. I'm sure nuance is lost but a substantial chunk of India is unable to tune in if it is in Hindi only. I'm struck that he did not blame some CT or the other for the ills of Indian manufacturing. This seems to be very popular even on this board. WRT the collapse of cloth mills he says it was failure of technical up gradation. The one thing to keep in mind about SoKo is that it is homogeneous country, mostly a single group.

Skill, speed and scale is a good motto by the way. It should be tested to see how the rest of the nation responds.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Feb 2013 20:19

http://www.apherald.com/Politics/ViewAr ... andidates/

The modi's info is spreading man... Look at the Telugu news.

Talks about how 90% Muslim municipality elected all BJP candidates because Modi developed roads, power to that locality.

Would be nice if any BRite can post a video of these localities. We can spread the message.

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 14 Feb 2013 22:20

^ Why this Muslim-majority town in Gujarat voted for Modi's BJP

-Ankit

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 14 Feb 2013 22:26

Hari Seldon wrote:NaMo name-dropping is becoming fashionable even beyond BJP (or even NDA) circles. Today's TOI reported that a former PRP man, now mantri in the AP govt - toured Guj, met NaMo and has decided to implement the Guj model of Maritime development for AP's almost 1000 km coastline. Heh.

Will put up the url tomorrow when it becomes online available.

Not necessarily a good thing. Better to ensure such entities associate with him, rather than just appropriate his approach to governance (or claim to do so) and repackage it as some sickular version of NaMo's spproach.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Feb 2013 23:29

Ankit Desai wrote:^ Why this Muslim-majority town in Gujarat voted for Modi's BJP

-Ankit

Cool. Lets spread this message all over twitter ...

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 14 Feb 2013 23:57

Thanks for the translation. That is an excellent speech, very "presidential" to use a khan term. I particularly note the "Mitron", that he (usually) uses in all his speeches. Not the usual "bhaiyon..benome", which in India can mean tremendous inequalities and feel like being talked down to....

Even among the highly trained US politicos, I feel only Shree Bill Clinton can convey that sort of details in a non-boring fashion to the youngsters. Even with the preacher-who-is-a-hoopster style, Prez Obama fast gets boring, when he talks about future and economy. Late Shree Reagan, during his prime was good, though less cerebral, particularly his 1964 "A Time for Choosing" speech.

Shows how much capable some of the neta folks in India are, with minimal training. If only Indian politics supports "lateral entry" into politics and training programs (with crash courses in economy, national security, world affairs etc) for the more, er, thuggish types to evolve into half decent talkers

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 Feb 2013 00:54

Any volunteers to translate the speech into other Indian languages and disseminate over social media ? Getting his talks out to as many people as possible verbatim is important if the NDA are to have a chance nationwide to push this as a one-on-one choice between Modi and Yuvraj/Yuvrani.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 15 Feb 2013 02:01

^^^ Indeed, Suraj. Even better would be to provide subtitles to the video in various languages (or a voice over). This sort of oratory models are gravely missing, amongst the rabble-rouser types that dominate the current scene.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Feb 2013 09:49

^^^I'd volunteer but my telugu gyan is spoken only, can barely read and write in matru bhasha, admittedly.

RamaY garu, you seem better trained in telugu in this regard...

strictly for laughs only....

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 15 Feb 2013 10:34

Narendra Modi’s ‘Idea of India’

Earlier, the Central Statistical Organisation had thumbed down the Government’s projected GDP growth for the current fiscal from 5.5 per cent to 5 per cent, lowest in a decade. Two figures stood out in the clutch of statistical details that formed the basis of the CSO’s estimate. First, growth in agriculture and allied activities is likely to fall to 1.8 per cent in 2012-13. In 2011-12, it was 3.6 per cent. Second, growth in the manufacturing sector was likely to drop to 1.9 per cent in 2012-13 from 2.7 per cent in 2011-12.

Common sense would suggest that the health of the national economy is, to turn a cliché into a phrase, serious and unstable. Linked to the parlous condition of the manufacturing sector is the looming uncertainty over jobs – those who are employed can’t take their employment for granted; those who are unemployed can’t look forward to new jobs being created. The other unstated and unstressed fact is that the decline of our manufacturing sector is good news for China – a factory shut in India means enhanced opportunities for China.

On the other hand, Modi’s ‘Idea of India’ is that of a strong nation which engages with the world and trades with all, confident that ‘Brand India’ can give other brands a run for their money. It’s not an inward looking India unsure of itself and insecure about others, but an India with a flourishing, competitive and innovative manufacturing sector that can flaunt the ‘Made in India’ label with justifiable pride as Japan once did before China rudely burst upon the scene. He has demonstrated this is possible with ‘minimum Government and maximum Governance’.

Obama’s ‘Idea of America’ is one where children and youth need to be converted into ‘Force America’, a conversion that will require, by his own admission, a Herculean effort whose outcome is not necessarily guaranteed. Modi’s ‘Idea of India’ rests on what we already have: Youth Power or New Age Power – a massive pool, increasing by the day, of talented young Indians whose immense and innate talent needs to be marshalled into fuelling India’s growth.

As the world’s two largest democracies, India and America face challenges that are similar. The biggest challenge is to tame the dragon. And that can be done by pursuing an agenda that promotes, aggressively, unabashedly and innovatively their respective manufacturing sectors while securing the national interest from emerging threats that confront food, energy and water security.

If in terms of resources and human capital we are ahead of the curve compared to America, we lag behind because at this very moment we lack a leader at the helm who can robustly lead India. America has Obama. Whom does India have?

That only serves to underscore what needs to be done when the opportunity arrives. It’s no longer about choices and options; it’s about doing that which is best for the country. There really is no alternative.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 15 Feb 2013 10:40

Another good one worth reading in full from Niticentral: Modi and myths: The ‘middle class’ question

Sure, as this segments grows and gets empowered, the poverty-mongers among the intelligentsia will have one more class to point at to create resentment among the less privileged. In doing so, it won’t realize where this segment was a few years ago. It is highly unlikely to see substance in the fact that the emergence of a ‘neo middle class’ can serve as an inspiration for those still in poverty.

It will not bother at all if the country has to knock on global doors with a begging bowl for saving its poor. Fiscal health, being their last concern, is rarely a factor in their rarefied plans for poverty alleviation.

That Modi prefers to inspire deprived sections on the path to self-sufficiency – their own and that of the State – by offering them attractive returns for their sweat and toil has been completely overlooked by the commentariat which has preferred to peddle its own myths on Modi.

That this creates yet another perception battle for Modi is without a doubt. How (and whether) he battles this perception is his and the BJP’s lookout.

What is certain is that the ‘aspirational classes’ across the spectrum – who have a robust communication network with each other despite lack of access to modern day communication channels – have begun to realize the importance of this idea of Modi.