Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 14 Sep 2013 05:46

Dhananjay wrote: Also Defence Minister Gen. (Retd.) Shri. V.K. Singh.

Hey! Noooo! I want Gen. V K Singh to become chief minister of Haryana. After a long (mis)rule under the three Lals, their kids and now Hooda, it will do Haryana some good to be ruled by the good general. I was hoping for a BJP led by Kiran Bedi in Delhi. Looks like it is not going to materialise, and we will be stuck with either Sheila or Vijay Goel (Gods! I hope Khujliwal does not become CM of Delhi!). At least let us have V K Singh leading Haryana.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 Sep 2013 05:47

jai-tly for defence /home

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Sep 2013 06:28

Arun Shourie for Home ... talk about a person who's fearless, diligent, sharp in thinking and incorruptible... Can already see Lootyen's Dilli shaking in its hoots.

Would've voted for Dr Sub Swamy as HM but he's too mercurial and unpredictable for that role. Maybe as HRD mantri, he can reverse the psec-ization of our edu systems....

Finance - yashwant sinha ain't a bad bet. Sushma as MEA ... let her fly around the globe doing her Rajghat dance to showcase incredible Yindia... Amitbhai shah should be, ideally, a mantri without a portfolio - sort of like, Deputy PM or something... to be able to move in and out of portfolios and departments at will pursueing the nation's enemies - internal and external... only.

/OK, enough daydreaming... the hard work starts now...

partha · Post by **partha** » 14 Sep 2013 06:37

Guys, calm down. Still a PM candidate. Long way to go before becoming PM. Voters will decide. There is still time to discuss ministerial portfolios!

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 14 Sep 2013 06:56

Process has started with NaMo becoming the Pm candidate.
well begun but only half done.
Need to complete the process which should culminate in 272+ seats for BJp with NaMo as unquestioned King.

Need to double our efforts in mobilisng voters to booth, influencing sdres to vote for NaMo.

No rest or dreams of anything but uproot the corrupt congis sytem.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 Sep 2013 07:06

Well , looks like a Massive Tsunami has hit electoral politics in India. Congoons are looking like a Bulldozer has run over them. Their facial expression betray the panic they are facing within their heart. Well they have been out of power earlier also but why panic this time. My guess they face the prospects of long stay in Govt built Ashram in Delhi. A New one is getting ready at Mandoli, Delhi.

Aam congoons say that there was no chance for them in 2014 but they would have liked to try their luck in 2019. Now , that seems remote now given the track record of NaMo in Gujarat.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Sep 2013 07:06

I would gladly welcome even deve gowda and chandra sekhar as PM and dance in the streets for them rather than a spoonfed non-performer like RG. atleast these folks have been grassroots leaders and held down certain admin posts in their long lives...they are not so clueless and out of touch with the real India as these permanent residents (RNIs) of lootyens delhi.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Sep 2013 07:08

between the 3 of them, Nikumma, Mamata and Patnaik command a lot of MPs and will do likewise in 2014.

question is who will they fall in with - INC is going to promise them the moon, sun, nine planets and the kohinoor diamond in bailout packages for outside support. Add in Akhilesh who is rapidly running UP into the ground and will be there with a katora for a bailout. thats a huge block of MPs which BJP needs to somehow gain support from or maginalize.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 Sep 2013 07:10

elections are still few months away and people already started selecting portfolio

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 Sep 2013 07:24

arrye talk-leaf kya hai? talk lo .. zabbar masti se, grand masti tak.. get the best team out right before. why leave it to presidential ishtyle.. take it a level ahead. presidential party ishtyle!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Sep 2013 07:47

friends, help me to solve the puzzle. Adding Modi factor here is a take:

It is a given that INC+BSP will go and Modi polarizes. At the end of the day if all non Yadav OBCs and forward caste folks of UP does not vote BJP it is very difficult for Modi to become PM. In the following scenario at district level here is the breakdown. Mulayam gets 10% because a Tsuanmi of INC+BSP will get all dalit+Muslim votes. Don't say "all will not vote" as that applies to every group and averages out.

Now Please destroy this theory. Anything less than 40 seats from UP in 2014 is bad news for Modi.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 Sep 2013 07:57

see, if modi can mobilize those who generally don't vote and come to polling station, then it is a big % even if he gets 1/2 of near 30% who abstain from voting.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 Sep 2013 08:02

BJP might get about 100 seats from UP and Bihar+Jharkhand. Akhi and Nikku aren't going to make it big.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Sep 2013 08:05

chaanakya wrote:BJP might get about 100 seats from UP and Bihar+Jharkhand. Akhi and Nikku aren't going to make it big.

It is not easy. We all want to see. It is possible but Modi has to polarize so much in UP to get 40+ seats. The assumption above is that all forward caste plus all non-Yadav BC+OBC vote for BJP. Any break either via sabotage or via bad selection of candidates it will be difficult.

Note: 40 districts means it is about 45 seats.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 14 Sep 2013 08:06

nikumma faces state elections soon... and without the BJP he ll be most likely wiped out of Bihar...contrary to media reports,he has been a less than an able administrator and Bihari's not much unlike the rest of the country are getting increasingly aspirational.... caste factor may not really tip things in his favour..it was a political blunder to leave NDA..

As far as UP is concerned 'polarisation' would certainly help BJP...SP's 'spectacular' performance in administering UP will ensure their wipe out in the general elections...

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Sep 2013 08:11

For several elections AP+Maha has finalized the combination. In this election, the focus probably will shift to UP+Bihar. Every seat will be interesting. It will be a wave+caste that will be part of the puzzle.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Sep 2013 08:17

^ Muppala garu,

Can you send this data to me? Thnq.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Sep 2013 08:17

I think we should discuss who the Congress will put up against Namo.

Who are the realistic candidates? Will SG risk Amul Baby running against Namo?

Ityadi.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Sep 2013 08:18

Sashi Tharoor will be next Diggy Raja of congress

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 14 Sep 2013 08:21

What about MH? He needs to get the brothers together,pronto.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 14 Sep 2013 08:22

Surya wrote:
He could have pretended to acquiesce and sabotaged Modi later
Err he has been and is going to be trying his best to sabotage Modi at every point
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If he wanted to sabotage Modi he could have drawn the nomination drama out much longer, or made a public spectacle of opposing Modi for all the news hyenas gathered there. He did not do either of these things, and neither did he pretend to support the nomination as a cover for future sabotage. Everyone knows where he stands, so there is no scope for treachery.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Sep 2013 08:23

The bhooths (ghosts) are at the booth level only. Even within constituencies and towns... namo and amitbhai shah have rightly identified the booth level as the crux of the battle.

And yes, amit shah isn't wearing delusional glasses. He is on record stating that the task in UP is immense and nowhere in the bag as yet. Good that INC_BSP is out now, rather than closer to the polls when preparing a counterattack would have been harder.

INC losing AP fully is likely, IMO. How MH plays out remains to be seen. With Yeddy back, I daresay at least half of KT's seats are in play again. If any understanding with JDS is possible on a handful of seats (weak candidates types) then INC tally in KT can be reduced further.

partha · Post by **partha** » 14 Sep 2013 08:26

RamaY wrote:Sashi Tharoor will be next Diggy Raja of congress

He is already the Diggy Raja. His looks and accent make some people think that he is some sort of an intellectual.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Sep 2013 08:27

BhairavP wrote:What about MH? He needs to get the brothers together,pronto.

My hunch is both senas+BJP+RPI will go together. INC+NCP will go kaput in that case.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 Sep 2013 08:27

yes.. that bhooth is one area kangrez are strong.. they can capture and pay heckuva money to some smart guys to fix it for them.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 Sep 2013 08:45

the key is to go far and wide and spread the word, even if 50% of the people vote for him, that can make a difference. Every nook and corner of every state needs to be covered , this is where the youth can help

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 Sep 2013 08:57

that means you have to wake the zillion kumbakarans who just don't care about things around them.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Sep 2013 09:01

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-b ... ef_article
Why BJP chose Modi: the risk of not choosing him was greater

The official anointment of Narendra Modi as the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate by party President Rajnath Singh sets the stage for elections 2014. In doing so, the BJP has overcome a determined bid by LK Advani to queer the pitch. It is a pity that the patriarch chose to play sourpuss rather than a cheerleader. In the coming days, Advani is likely to give vent to his negativities, but the BJP has now crossed the Rubicon – and this does the party’s leadership great credit. Advani’s antics need not hold us here, for it is clear that he was trying to delay the inevitable by pretending he was only opposed to the announcement till the state assembly elections. But his objection is simply not tenable. There are only two ways to interpret it: one, it is a roundabout way of saying that Modi is a liability in the forthcoming state elections. If this is really so, the party would be wrong in naming him as PM candidate even after the assembly election. The more likely possibility is that Advani used this argument to give Shivraj Singh Chouhan a chance to win in Madhya Pradesh and then use the latter’s victory to stop Modi. If this interpretation is right, it shows Advani as a diabolical politician rather than an elder statesman with the BJP’s best interests at heart. BJP supporters danced in the street after Narendra Modi was named the party’s Prime Ministerial candidate. AFP While no one can write off Advani’s ability to embarrass the party and Modi even now, the BJP however did the right thing to checkmate him. For the only way the BJP can win the next election is by giving Modi enough time to evolve the party’s strategy state by state. This he could not have done without formally being been declared the party’s mascot with the power to frame the poll agenda and nuance its stand state by state. Modi has a stiff task ahead for the simple reason that the party he inherits wasted more than nine years in opposition without building its base. It had no policy beyond parliamentary disruption, It had no strategy beyond private agendas. And it had no leadership worth the name, Advani included. The so-called national leadership had no mass base. This is why despite the complete economic mess the Congress has created, and the humongous corruption scandals emerging from the woodwork with metronomic regularity, the BJP still lags in terms of popular perceptions. It is Modi’s task to revive the party’s fortunes in nine months by energising the base and expanding it – something the rest of the leadership could not do in nine years. There are other reasons why the party did the right thing in elevating Modi. First, electing the right leader is a job half done. It gives the party an authoritative voice in the coming months. It also gives the BJP a modern leader who vibes well with an aspirational India. Second, elections are won not only on speeches, which Modi is anyway capable of delivering to perfection, but state-level micro-strategies. It is often said that India’s national elections are really a bunch of regional elections. If this is true, an early announcement gives Modi and his team enough time to stitch alliances and work out strategies for each critical state. Third, it is widely believed that this election will be won or lost in Uttar Pradesh, which has 80 seats. Only Modi has the stature to claw back UP from the SP and BSP. BJP lost in 2004 not only because two important allies – Chandrababu Naidu in Andhra Pradesh and J Jayalalithaa in Tamil Nadu – lost, but because the BJP crashed in UP. The party first slipped in 1999 under Atal Behari Vajpayee, and crashed further in 2004 in UP. If Modi can get the party’s popular vote above 25 percent, he can make a large harvest of 30 seats in UP. Below that, he can’t. But even his enemies concede that only he can make a difference. Fourth, by nominating Modi, the party is not actually doing him a favour. It has given him a very difficult job to do, and if he falters, the party will not forgive him. Since the stakes are high, it made no sense to expect Modi to work for the party without empowering him. It is fundamental to success that power and responsibility must go together. The party has empowered Modi because it wants to ride on his coat-tails to success. Fifth, since the next election will be as much about anti-incumbency as governance, a leaderless BJP could not have made much of a difference. None of the opinion polls so far give the NDA, leave alone the BJP, any chance of crossing 200 seats. To take the NDA past the 200 mark, leadership is critical. In all polls, Modi’s personal rating has always been well above that of his party. By announcing his candidature early, the party has given Modi a chance a close the gap. Sixth, and most important, Modi embodies both the essential Hindutva image that is vital to the BJP base, even while transcending it. Seventh, the country’s urban middle class is looking for a strong leader, after seeing the damage done by a “weak” Manmohan Singh. Modi looks more like a messiah here than anyone else. In the ultimate analysis, the question is: has the BJP taken too big a risk by nominating Modi, allegedly a polarising figure who might not find too many post-poll allies? The truth is probably this: the party has decided that the risk of not nominating its most popular leader was greater. From all accounts, BJP has given itself momentum by sidelining Advani. He may still do some damage. But the chances are the party is more right than Advani.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 Sep 2013 09:02

nice move

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Sep 2013 09:18

A TALE OF TWO MEN FROM GANDHINAGAR
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... nagar.html

Senior BJP leaders have found it hard to ignore their mentor Advani’s stand on Narendra Modi. But they also know that the Gujarat Chief Minister is the party’s best bet as the prime ministerial candidateNaming Narendra Modi as the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate, and for all practical purposes its new leader, has been a messy and long-drawn process. The disagreement of LK Advani, the reservations of Sushma Swaraj, the rhetoric of and negative stories planted by individuals close to the Advani household — these soured things. They left many wondering if a clean and open election would not have been a better idea, one that would have given Mr Modi a clear victory in a transparent internal contest.Why did Mr Advani oppose Mr Modi’s candidature? There were three reasons. First, disquietingly and disturbingly, he saw himself as a prime ministerial face despite approaching the age of 86 and despite the rejection of 2009. Second, he saw his position as a power centre in the BJP national platform in New Delhi as being threatened by a compelling new force from outside the capital. Third, he believed, or was persuaded to believe, that Mr Modi appealed only to the converted and would repel fence-sitters. Of course, there is no independent corroboration of that last point. If anything, political assessments and opinion polls have indicated a rise in support for Mr Modi among voters who didn’t previously lean towards him. Nevertheless, if Mr Advani had and has a contrary opinion, that is his prerogative.Why did it become difficult for the party to simply say “No” to him? After all, much of the BJP was ready to name Mr Modi as prime ministerial aspirant weeks ago and saw no reason to delay after the Janata Dal (United) broke away. Here one is faced with a complex explanation. For a start, the current set of leaders in the BJP, many of them Mr Advani’s former protégés, found it hard to entirely ignore him and felt the need for his validation. The disciples were unwilling to forsake the master, even if the master had forsaken the disciples.Without drawing a comparison between individuals, it is worth recalling Mahatma Gandhi’s relationship with the Congress in the late 1930s and 1940s, after he had ceased to be a political factionalist but had assumed the aura of a moral guardian and a statesman. In 1939, Subhas Bose was elected Congress president against the Mahatma’s wishes. With carefully chosen words, signals and positioning, Gandhi made it apparent he saw this as a personal defeat and would be dissident-in-chief. Finally, Bose had to resign.While Bose was denied his place, Mr Modi has not been. Why? If one extends the analogy used above, how does one decipher this? There is the logic of numbers. When Bose defeated Pattabhi Sitaramayya, Gandhi’s nominee, he won by only 200 votes in an electoral college of some 3,000 people. The Congress was divided; though Bose had majority support, constant opposition from the Mahatma, or instigated by him, would have wrecked the party. In the case of Mr Modi, there was overwhelming support for him and Mr Advani was left with literally three or four senior leaders. Mr Advani miscalculated his political capital. By 2013, he had spent it all; in 1939, the Mahatma had not.Ironically, if Mr Advani had stepped down from politics or a leading role in the BJP in 2004 —when the Advani-Vajpayee generation in effect ended its innings — or even owned up to the loss in the 2009 election and not insisted on getting himself the job of Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha, it may have been a different story. In 2004 or to a lesser extent even immediately after the 2009 defeat, provided he had acted with grace in public, Mr Advani was in a position to nominate or strongly influence the choice of the BJP’s next leader, even if this meant taking on grassroots feelings.. Aside from going wrong with his timing, the MP from Gandhinagar never renounced his own ambitions and claims to the prime ministry. That eroded his authority. The rest is Modi.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Sep 2013 09:19

Comment on the article by
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The comparison with Gandhi's expulsion of Subhas Bose is apt, but not isolated. In 1946, Gandhi 'persuaded' Sardar Patel (the people's and party's choice) to step aside so Nehru could become PM. The result was disaster-- Kashmir problem and surrender of Tibet. History does not respect political whims but extracts a heavy price. Advani's parivar-- Sushma Swaraj, Ananth Kumar, and least of all Sudheendra Kulkarni are headed into the dustbin of history though they may continue to hold some office or other.For Advani it is a tragedy, but he is probably too worked up to see it with detachment. It is a tragic end for an illustrious career for Advani, but of his own making. By anointing Narendra Modi as leader Advani could have ended his career as a magnanimous and farsighted statesman. Instead he will be remembered for his final (one hopes) petty and petulant act.Also, Advani has been ill-served by henchmen like Sudheendra Kulkarni who have neither substance nor a popular base. Advani deserved better but he has only himself to blame.10

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 Sep 2013 09:22

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Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Sep 2013 09:31

Narendra Modi to continue as Gujarat CM as long as the Constitution permits

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Sep 2013 09:44

Former soldiers hope to impress BJP's 'General' Narendra Modi
http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Former- ... 564614.cms

( Ibtdai Desh Ishaq ,Xongi Khotta Rotta Hai Kya: Agge Agge Dekhiye Desh Dushman ko Hotta Hai Kya)

CHANDIGARH: BJP's prime ministerial candidate and Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi will get an essence of the olive green (OG) during the rally of ex-servicemen to be addressed by him on Sunday in Rewari.A team of 25 former lieutenant generals and major generals will receive Modi after he arrives at the venue, Rao Tula Ram Sthal. The venue has been covered with a special tent spread over four lakh square feet, which can accommodate nearly three lakh persons.Former Army chief Gen (retd) V K Singh, former Uttrakhand chief minister Maj Gen (retd) B C Khanduri, war widow and former MP Sudha Yadav and around 1,000 former colonels, lt colonels and commandants of para military forces will be attending the rally, being held to pay tribute to freedom fighters, specially those from Ahirwal area.Around 1.50 lakh ex-servicemen, including NCOs and former officials of paramilitary forces, have been requested to wear their official caps and medals during the rally."A pipe band featuring ex-servicemen will take Modi ji to the venue. Their special skills will be on display during the occasion as most of them have participated in the President's retreat. So far as Modi ji is concerned, since this will be his first rally after his projection as the party's candidate for PM post, he will be mainly focusing on national issues like national security and food security, while highlighting the failure of the UPA government," said Captain Abhimanyu Singh, chief organiser of the rally.Capt Abhimanyu said they had personally distributed close to 1.50 invitation cards to ex-servicemen across Haryana. "Our women cell volunteers also visited the war widows requesting them to attend the event," he added.The venue is three kms away from the parking area, so the organisers have hired 250 auto-rickshaws to bring participants to the spot.Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha (BJYM) media coordinator Yashveer Raghav said that the event is dedicated to freedom fighters and ex-servicemen. As such, the two gates of the venue were named after Rao Tula Ram, the Ahirwal leader who took part in the revolt against the British in 1857, and Colonel Hoshiyar Singh, the only Paramvir Chakra awardee from Haryana.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 14 Sep 2013 11:22

SaiK wrote:atri, who would be sikhandhi?

Oh so sorry, I missed this. That would be RNS.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 Sep 2013 11:23

Trichy is going to a be turn out, dunno whether the city can handle it. Where is it supposed to take place ???

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 14 Sep 2013 11:48

Well, Congrats to NM.
Hope he can work to put together a majority coalition.
My hope is for him to put together a straight forward policy document on what he intends to do.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 14 Sep 2013 11:55

That's our Rajaram garu who comes once in a while and eloquently apprises the current event
Hope he posts very soon his wisdom and thoughts.
Please do come sir

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 14 Sep 2013 12:01

Theo_Fidel wrote:Well, Congrats to NM.
Hope he can work to put together a majority coalition.
My hope is for him to put together a straight forward policy document on what he intends to do.

Ironically, Every CONgressi is sarcastically "hoping" almost same what you have said just now.

But as a NaMo supporter I will NOT hope for a coalition. My first hope is BJP lead by NaMo gets 272+ on their own.
If not then with like minded parties such as SS+akalis+JJ+Naidu.

As far as putting policy document is concerned, Indian democracy has long tradition of manifesto by leading parties before elections. I am sure BJP manifesto will have a NaMo "feel" in it this time

niran · Post by **niran** » 14 Sep 2013 12:17

Apart from election manifesto this time there is going to be a charge sheet outling kangrez breathtaking deeds
rest assured with sapa kangrez basapa all wooing and prostating to azam khan types come election and it will be azam kha not khan in Bihar jaydeeyou do not have the requisite base to win election it has been loike niku sang and made merry while bhajapa build bases and cadres as in the fable of grasshopper and the ant
the onree problem was western up jats but with muzzafarnagar riots and Baba ramdev help and proper booth management the western UP should yeald