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Sonia was so confident of Nehruvian sleeper cell in BJP :D
UPA hoped BJP itself will nip Modi

In the realms of belief or even superstition, Friday the 13th is regarded as either hugely unlucky by some or just another day by others.

That the BJP leadership chose this day to push through the formal anointment of Narendra Modi as the NDA's Prime Ministerial candidate suggests that their court astrologers didn't attach negative consequences to a major decision taken on that day.

The same can hardly be said for those who were determined to prevent Modi's elevation to a position that has hitherto been occupied by only Atal Bihari Vajpayee and LK Advani. They seemed hell-bent on preventing any categorical announcement till after the Assembly election. The calculation was two-fold. First, it would be argued that there were other Chief Ministers who equally deserved the post of shadow Prime Minister. The tussle between the Chief Ministers in turn would give the requisite space for Advani to emerge as a compromise choice by virtue of his standing as the "tallest leader" of the party. Second, and I am not making this suggestion casually, there was a plot to use the intervening months, to implicate Modi in a judicial tangle, with some discreet help from those whose business it is to blend politics with skulduggery.

By persisting with the Parliamentary Board meeting on Friday evening, the BJP, in effect, pre-empted the possibility of an unending bout of machinations that would have left the wider world believing that the main Opposition party was in the throes of a civil war and unfit for a role in Government. The likelihood of some dissenting voices to Modi's anointment always existed from those who feared their own marginalisation from the centre-stage of politics.

That the BJP leadership heard them out and then proceeded to do what had to be done hasn't compromised the larger project to win power in 2014. If anything, it has certainly reinforced the party's democratic credentials. That the patriarch chose to wallow in petulant isolation didn't enhance his image as a 'selfless politician' (as his former aide claimed on TV); it made him an object of pity, if not outright ridicule, a man who was out of tune with the contemporary world. To put it bluntly, Advani demanded a veto and threw a tantrum when this was politely rejected.

To those who are familiar with the inner life of the BJP and its wider parivar, Advani's dogged resistance to an onrush of sentiment was doomed to failure. However, there are reasons to believe that many people, not least the Congress, felt otherwise. At a time when the regime has been starved of good news, the curious projection of RBI Governor Raghuram Rajan as India's newest sex symbol and the prospect of a civil war in the BJP were developments the clever Congress looked forward to.

Indeed, the Congress strategy for the past two months, since Modi was appointed head of the BJP campaign committee, was to underplay its significance by painting the Gujarat CM as a small-time local leader. It was no accident that over the past few weeks the Congress has fielded a disproportionate number of its Gujarat State leaders on TV shows where the discussions centred on Modi. The plan was always clear: Paint Modi as a small-town upstart, at best a regional chieftain, and puncture his standing in that way. The Congress strategy was designed to pin Modi down on the so-called human development parameters of Gujarat. The ruling party strategists reposed enormous faith in the ability of Advani to check the Modi advance.

In public pronouncements, the Congress has feigned complete disinterest in the internal affairs of the BJP. Its more supercilious Ministers (most of them, unfortunately, alumni of my old college, St Stephen's) have barely been able to conceal their social contempt of a leader who didn't share a privileged upbringing.{ManiShankar Aiyer}

However, behind this apparent unconcern has lurked a great fear which in turn bred tactical confusion. The Congress believes that Modi is generating a euphoric response and they believed that the most appropriate way to stop the challenger was to either rule him out of the race or create sufficient controversy within the BJP to muddy the waters. In short, the Congress banked on extraneous issues such as the well-crafted Vanzara letter and the Advani revolt to be its containment strategy.

Now that this strategy has failed and Modi is indeed trying to convert Election 2014 into a quasi-presidential race, the Congress has to rethink its strategy. The Trojan Horse approach has to yield to a more frontal confrontation. For the Congress, the coming days pose an intellectual challenge.

Should it try to convert the whole battle into an anti-Modi jihad? Wouldn't that, however, involve playing by the rules set by the other side? Should it pretend Modi doesn't exist and merely highlight Sonia Gandhi's Lady Bountiful acts? That is a possibility but somehow a Bharat Nirman-centric approach may end up being a crashing bore.

Should it emphasise its lofty "idea of India" and leave the demolition of Modi to intellectuals such as a TV anchor who suggested to her Facebook friends that with Modi as PM, Indians would be encouraged to drink their own urine for dessert? Facetiousness apart, the Congress is still coming to terms with a viable strategy to counter Modi. Rahul Gandhi's dilettantism isn't helping matters. Actually, the heir-apparent could even pose a problem for the BJP: How do you defeat an opponent who refuses to join the fight? :rotfl:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... -modi.html
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doh! friday the 13th is all firang concept.. only people who are having a firang mindset, will definitely feel the attack.

^^ in that article, i didn't understand the last para..anyone?
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Niku is having some nightmares as he has no light. employees of state electrcity board in a fit of anger cut out the pwer supply during a meeeting in his presence.

This does not sound good for him.

Like wise some resentment is also building elsewhere in the state.

NaMo needs to channelise these disaffceted people into voting for BJP.

Local BJP leaders have their task cut out.
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Sushupti wrote:A black day for India: BJP nominates Modi their candidate for Prime Minister

By Kaleem Kawaja,
Indeed it is a black day for the ancient Indian civilization that a murderer and brutal politician who has been branded by many countries and many organizations in India as one of the biggest violators of human rights and whom many major countries have prohibited from visiting their countries, is being nominated by India's major political party as a potential top leader of the nation.
This Paki is from Azamgarh, the watering hole of traitors and terrorists. Some one ought to ask this Resident Paki Inbred soldier of the mortal enemey of Indian Civilization, if you are so worried about Ancient Indian Civilization then how come you are a Convert and how many values of this ancient civilizations have he incorporated ?
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Sushupti wrote:
Should it emphasise its lofty "idea of India" and leave the demolition of Modi to intellectuals such as a TV anchor who suggested to her Facebook friends that with Modi as PM, Indians would be encouraged to drink their own urine for dessert? Facetiousness apart, the Congress is still coming to terms with a viable strategy to counter Modi. Rahul Gandhi's dilettantism isn't helping matters. Actually, the heir-apparent could even pose a problem for the BJP: How do you defeat an opponent who refuses to join the fight? :rotfl:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... -modi.html
Who is that TV Angoor talking about "dessert wine"?
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Should it emphasise its lofty "idea of India" and leave the demolition of Modi to intellectuals such as a TV anchor who suggested to her Facebook friends that with Modi as PM, Indians would be encouraged to drink their own urine for dessert?...
Can some one remind her that her UPA leader Ajit Pawar had already topped her suggestion for Modi when he suggested he can urinate to fill the dams in Maharashtra ?

Does anyone know who this was..??.... Yep Disha ji no trace of it anywhere on web ... You have to get a response from Kanchan da on this. At least make him give a hint.

Her name needs to be in the open.
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Sagarika is my guess...but then again, most of our anchors seem to be likewise.
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Many of these Macaulized, Anglicized and deracinated types think Modi is a low class crass pan chewing, gaali spouting Trishul wielding sloganeering and murderous Hindoo chap. Little do they know he's far more sophisticated and discerning than they ever can ever imagine. They are trying to build an image around him that is not Modi..so it is like water of a ducks back, and they don't know what is wrong. They hate him because of the resultant of truths revealing the cognitive dissonance within their own warped minds.
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There is nothing wrong with pa an chewing low class...
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yamar's dharmism is going down when he is projecting evil transfer of babudoms to bajapa. same evil forces on a different party banner will continue to be evil.
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SaiK wrote:yamar's dharmism is going down when he is projecting evil transfer of babudoms to bajapa. same evil forces on a different party banner will continue to be evil.
Psychegal,

Are you talking about this - http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1511245 ?

I am talking about the strategy that Sri Rama used when he killed Vali and Ravana. He identified the dharmics of the family to rule those kingdoms instead of usurping them and/or putting his own people there.

I am talking about the strategy that Sri Krishna used when he killed Jarasamdha and Sishupala etc.,

The same strategy was used by Abrahamics when they invaded Bharat. They encouraged brothers, BILs, daughters, fathers etc to help defeat the existing kings and convert to their own isms.

Even JLN was product of that strategy. His Secular Bharat a.k.a India is nothing but new grouping of those anti-Bharatiyas.

So there is nothing wrong in asking the Dharmics of each family to join Bhaajaapa... After all the whole democracy is about attracting individuals, often from same families, to chose a side, ain't it?

The process of dharmicization will be quick if dharmics from each family stand up and speak up for Bharatiya parties instead of Indian parties.
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Actually secularism is nothing but AntiHindusim, instead of calling it antihinduism, they have given a name imported from Europe (where it meant that church will have no role in running of the state, before that, pope had more say than the monarch of that country), it has also succeeded in confusing hindus and used as a tool to defranchise them.
Hindus also have lost that battle. All they have done to fight that concept is to come with the term of psuedosecularism, which is nothing but fighting secularism on its term. Let's call secularism in Indian context for what it is - AntiHinduism!!
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fanne wrote:Actually secularism is nothing but AntiHindusim, instead of calling it antihinduism, they have given a name imported from Europe (where it meant that church will have no role in running of the state, before that, pope had more say than the monarch of that country), it has also succeeded in confusing hindus and used as a tool to defranchise them.
Hindus also have lost that battle. All they have done to fight that concept is to come with the term of psuedosecularism, which is nothing but fighting secularism on its term. Let's call secularism in Indian context for what it is - AntiHinduism!!
Right term is Sharia Complaincy
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yamar, you deviated into adharmism when you transferred rama's technology (deep ToT here I should say) to abrahmics. they invaded, and ensured their kind ruled. but in the case of rama, where did that happen after ravana?

the anti-bharatiyas are adharmics, and have become monopoly structures institutionalized now. it is deep and wide, and even affected dharmics like you to ignore it.

you are fearing the dharmic market size is reduced by being purely rama-ic, so you are pulling in abhramic dharmas and creating a new market size. well, one can't see the sizes alone in the long run. you can only do so, for elections.. after that, it will fall apart, as adharmic ways are easy to do than dharmism.
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Its more supercilious Ministers (most of them, unfortunately, alumni of my old college, St Stephen's) have barely been able to conceal their social contempt of a leader who didn't share a privileged upbringing.{ManiShankar Aiyer}
Some gems from Aiyer's wiki page:

"..Aiyar insulted .. Mulayam Singh Yadav and remarked: "Oh that bloody Mulayam -- he looks just like me. It could be because my father visited Uttar_Pradesh at some point. Why don't you check with Mulayam's mother...."

"... when Indians were donating money and jewellery - even sweaters - to sustain India's fight against the Chinese in 1962, Mani Shankar Aiyar, as secretary of the Cambridge unit of Communist party, was busy collecting funds for Chinese soldiers"

"..Aiyar family's powerful political connections expunged his records as a threat to national security and cleared his way into the Indian Foreign Service."


No wonder this good for nothing creep ended up a politician and that too with congress. Hopefully there will be retribution soon.
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K.P. NAYAR

Modi has consistently taken the position that he will not apply again for a visa, despite back channel approaches from very high political levels in America to do so, which this correspondent is aware of.

His party has also treated the matter as one of prestige and taken the view that the chief minister is not an applicant to visit America and, therefore, his visa is a non-issue.

When Rajnath was in the US recently, he initially botched the issue by raising it in public but was quickly rapped on the knuckles from back home for doing so. Singh quickly fell in line with the party’s longstanding policy on this issue.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130915/j ... 351271.jsp
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But for quartet, few console Advani

New Delhi, Sept. 14: Sushma Swaraj and three other BJP leaders spent nearly two hours with L.K. Advani this morning, following which the Lok Sabha Opposition leader declared: “No one’s upset.”

But BJP president Rajnath Singh, whose “style of functioning” was targeted by Advani in his Friday missive, has since not spoken to Advani.

The RSS has made it plain that the veteran’s “shenanigans” should not be countenanced henceforth and no more official outreaches to him were required
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Sources said in the evening that Advani was “still very upset” by the turn of events leading to Narendra Modi’s proclamation yesterday as the BJP’s candidate for Prime Minister that led to an unusual dichotomy. The BJP’s workers and leaders were jubilant while the patriarch was completely isolated.

It was against this backdrop that the quartet of Sushma, BJP general secretaries Ananth Kumar and P. Murlidhar Rao, and BJP vice-president Balbir Punj — who are considered to be on Advani’s side — called on the veteran on their own.

Sources said Sushma apprised Advani of what happened at yesterday’s meeting where Modi was anointed the party’s candidate for Prime Minister.

The sources added that Advani was expected to attend a rally on September 25 in Bhopal, which was scheduled to be addressed by Modi.

Speculation was rife that the blog Advani posts every Sunday could be “explosive” tomorrow ahead of Modi’s first public rally after his anointment at Haryana’s Rewari. Former army chief V.K. Singh will share the dais with Modi. However, a source in the Advani camp denied the speculation on the blog.

When Advani met Sushma and company, the sources said, Advani brought up a letter written by Gujarat police officer D.G. Vanzara, in which the once-trusted Modi acolyte said he had only followed the encounter policy set by the political leadership.

Apparently, Advani asked Sushma and the others what impact Vanzara’s allegations would have on the images of Modi and the BJP
.{Basically Advani agrees with Congi propaganda against Modi instead of countering it}

According to a source, the collective view emerging from the get-together was that the Modi “euphoria” would not last long. “Such euphoria melts away as fast as it sets in,” a source said.

It is believed that Advani and his camp want to pressure Rajnath to “force” Modi to step down as the BJP’s central campaign committee chief.

A source in the central party said no discussions had yet started on the demand. But another said that if at all a change took place, Modi would be replaced by Arun Jaitley, not Sushma, who is Advani’s choice. As of now, the source said, Modi was not inclined to quit the post he was handed in Goa.

How can Sushma oversee the nitty-gritty of a critical country-wide campaign when her own elections are managed by others? It is common knowledge in the BJP that Sushma steps in only after the groundwork is done to give speeches,” said the source.

Beneath Advani’s endeavour to put in place some kind of a ginger group and resist a complete takeover of the BJP by Modi is the fear that he might fade away as a footnote in the party’s contemporary history.

Advani’s secretariat and family members, sources said, were keen that his relevance remained. “The only way he can show he is still around and, more important, still matters is by darting pinpricks all the time. At least his pinpricks become fodder for the media and make headlines,” the source said.

For Sushma, Punj, Ananth and Rao — who have a long career ahead of them — the stakes are higher.

Ananth, an MP from Bangalore, is a sworn adversary of B.S. Yeddyurappa and is believed to have greatly influenced Advani and Sushma to push Yeddyurappa out of the BJP.

A dominant section now thinks the BJP should get Yeddyurappa back to cut its losses in Karnataka. The former chief minister welcomed Modi’s elevation and said it could facilitate his re-entry. Ananth’s friends like Prahlad Joshi and R. Ashok, who were just as vehemently opposed to Yeddyurappa, are coming round to the view that his return would do more good than harm to the BJP.

The quartet fears that in a Modi-Jaitley regime their space in policy and decision making would vastly diminish. “They must have felt that they need Advani to bolster their relevance and ensure their survival,” a source said.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130915/j ... 351775.jsp
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Victor wrote:
Its more supercilious Ministers (most of them, unfortunately, alumni of my old college, St Stephen's) have barely been able to conceal their social contempt of a leader who didn't share a privileged upbringing.{ManiShankar Aiyer}
Some gems from Aiyer's wiki page:

"..Aiyar insulted .. Mulayam Singh Yadav and remarked: "Oh that bloody Mulayam -- he looks just like me. It could be because my father visited Uttar_Pradesh at some point. Why don't you check with Mulayam's mother...."

"... when Indians were donating money and jewellery - even sweaters - to sustain India's fight against the Chinese in 1962, Mani Shankar Aiyar, as secretary of the Cambridge unit of Communist party, was busy collecting funds for Chinese soldiers"

"..Aiyar family's powerful political connections expunged his records as a threat to national security and cleared his way into the Indian Foreign Service."


No wonder this good for nothing creep ended up a politician and that too with congress. Hopefully there will be retribution soon.
For that Amar Singh (then in SP of Mulayam) delivered multiple GPLs in a Delhi's high circuit party.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 759704.cms
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Mani Shankar Aiyer is the son of Vaidyanatha Shankar Aiyar, a chartered accountant, and Bhagyalakshmi Shankar Aiyar. He was born in...., Lahore in British India which, as post-Partition refugee property, came to house the family of Saadat Hassan Manto.[1] His younger brother is the well known journalist, Swaminathan Aiyar. He lost his father at age 12 in an air crash.
l. He was also an active member of the Marxist Society in Cambridge
served 26 years in the IFS, the last five of which were on deputation to the Prime Minister's Office under Rajiv Gandhi
He was supported by Rajiv Gandhi in his campaign who was his junior both at Doon and Cambridge.

Until very recently, he was living in Sainik Farm, a construction declared illegal by the Delhi High Court (as the last Lok Sabha Members' Yearbook 2006 shows).
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/a- ... e/194361/0

So, privileged turd who was born in erstwhile Pak (another reason for nostalgia). Is an avowed Marxist (ergo, Hindus have to be dhimmis and only Hindu stuff one can be ok with is cultural, creative, arty sharty stuff). Is Grade A Gandhi family chamcha
Part of dilli's entitled class and leads a luxurious life, i.e. making good money, laws are for others but will sermonize

In short is the perfect example of the entitled Doon school parasite that the INC and the secular dilli elite cultivated all these years.
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Sushupti wrote:But for quartet, few console Advani

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130915/j ... 351775.jsp
High time the BJP just kicked this guy out, family and secretariat included. He has done enough damage already.
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It seems that a disciplinary action would be needed to check Advani now. What a shame the way this man has fallen down, a whole generation of Indians revered him but now he is hell bent in burning down his own legacy well we have already seen another one do the same and Advani seems to be in a hurry so that the other guy doesn't feel lonely out there.
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Everytime a piece on Advani appears, the story is increasingly bizarre. Just what is going on? There is no way Advani can be this naive and stupid, reaching new heights of comical idiocy at every step.
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Sagar G wrote:It seems that a disciplinary action would be needed to check Advani now. What a shame the way this man has fallen down, a whole generation of Indians revered him but now he is hell bent in burning down his own legacy well we have already seen another one do the same and Advani seems to be in a hurry so that the other guy doesn't feel lonely out there.
His sense of entitlement is beyond belief.

His lust for power at 86, means he will burn down whatever is in national interest unless he is brought to heel.
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It would be a political suicide to handover the Campaign Chief to a Advani supporter - especially Sushma. It has to be Modi or somebody in his camp. Picture abhi bakhi hain. It is not over until the fat lady sings. It is not over till the last ball is bowled. Only Achamanam has been completed. No points for playing nice when the other side does not play nice. ityadi.

Modi should enjoy the moment, but should not give an inch in the euphoria/emotions.
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Already NSG's most protected VIP, Modi to get more security
A day after the BJP announced that Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi was its prime ministerial candidate in the 2014 Lok Sabha elections, the National Security Guard — the force responsible for his protection — was back to the drawing board, making new plans to step up security for its "most protected" VIP.

The measures will improve on what the NSG did after Modi was named the BJP's poll campaign panel chief in June. The NSG, with the home ministry's approval, had doubled the number of personnel in Modi's inner security cordon to 36 from 18. The Gujarat Police is responsible for his outer cordon.

The move meant a total of 108 NSG personnel are dedicated to Modi's close range security at present, including those who sanitize vehicles used by Modi to travel outside Gujarat.
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This excites me personally.
Gujarat to have Semiconductor Wafer Fabrication manufacturing facility

http://deshgujarat.com/2013/09/14/gujar ... -facility/
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^^Sir, its not lust for power but a cry for help. He's compromised, the UPA has dirt on him and is armtwisting him. His name has figured in things like the Jain hawala scam etc (not that he's guilty but the possibility cannot be denied) and anyway, dirt on his family and kids also might be a vulnerability.

Anyway, time to stop dragging LKA into everyhing now. Feel sad for sri sanku whose loud chants of soo-sai-baba and implicit claims of knowing better than us unwashed on this dhaga have fallen flat and are laid bare as merely an elaborate rationalization of a pre-conceived positions onlee.

Good that RSS has made it clear that there's now no more need to reach L:KA in an official capacity anymore. BJP has put LKA behind them and only the UPA-pasands will rake it up to the best of their ability. My guess is LKA has already fought the last election of his life in 2009, will not be given ticket for this one. Better to have sushma fight from his old seat in gandhinagar, just to ensure her seat is hostage to her good (i.e. non-sabotaging) behavior onlee....

Also good to know that namo has so far not indicated anything like his giving up the campaign committee chairmanship. Nice. only.
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SwamyG wrote:It would be a political suicide to handover the Campaign Chief to a Advani supporter - especially Sushma. It has to be Modi or somebody in his camp. Picture abhi bakhi hain. It is not over until the fat lady sings. It is not over till the last ball is bowled. Only Achamanam has been completed. No points for playing nice when the other side does not play nice. ityadi.

Modi should enjoy the moment, but should not give an inch in the euphoria/emotions.
+1. We are rejoicing over what should have otherwise been the smaller thing - that Modi is leading the BJP in this race. So much time has been lost and 2014 is just a few months away. The main thing is for him to actually be successful. And even now Advani is trying to act spoiler? Inexcusable and he should be shown the door if he even wastes one more day of the BJP and Modi.
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BJP proposes, Shiv Sena disposes: Will Raj Thackeray join the NDA?
Known to be close to Narendra Modi, Raj's MNS was considered a possible ally. However, the Shiv Sena fears that Raj will hog the limelight and refused to have him on board the NDA.
Time for BJP to push back on this and get MNS and RPI on board to together take on the INC+NCP combine in the ever crucial MH.
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VinodTK wrote:Already NSG's most protected VIP, Modi to get more security
A day after the BJP announced that Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi was its prime ministerial candidate in the 2014 Lok Sabha elections, the National Security Guard — the force responsible for his protection — was back to the drawing board, making new plans to step up security for its "most protected" VIP.

The measures will improve on what the NSG did after Modi was named the BJP's poll campaign panel chief in June. The NSG, with the home ministry's approval, had doubled the number of personnel in Modi's inner security cordon to 36 from 18. The Gujarat Police is responsible for his outer cordon.

The move meant a total of 108 NSG personnel are dedicated to Modi's close range security at present, including those who sanitize vehicles used by Modi to travel outside Gujarat.
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This gives me hope that the Congress has not been able to sabotage all national institutions and make them into its lackeys. I hope though that the NSG is also aware and does not let any political INC lackey get within its ranks to subvert from within. There is no depth to which the INC will not stoop to, as seen in their attempt to run down the IB to get at Modi
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The M Calculus: The power and reach of the Muslim vote
Muslim organisations are preparing an extensive advisory to guide Muslim voters across all 543 constituencies. It is doubtful how this will work out in a post-poll scenario as barring the Left Front, almost all major regional parties have associated with BJP at one point of time or another.

The Muslim community's vote can decide MPs in approximately 220 Lok Sabha seats. These seats should not be confused with those where Muslim candidates win. There are only 30 Muslim MPs, roughly 6 per cent of the total number of MPs. This clearly is much less than their 14 per cent share of India's 1.2 billion population.

[...]It will eventually boil down to the critical state of Uttar Pradesh. The Muslim vote has dictated the last two elections in the state. In the 2007 Assembly polls, Muslims chose BSP and in 2012 they rallied behind SP, thus helping the state get single party rule. But in the 2009 Lok Sabha elections, they voted tactically to help the best possible candidates from SP, BSP and Congress win against BJP. On the face of it, the 2009 results from UP look like a fractured mandate; but if one looks closely, the only loser in the state was BJP whose share went down to a historic low of 10 seats, polling about 18 per cent votes, while the Congress went up from 9 to 21 seats polling almost the same number of votes. In other words, Uttar Pradesh had given 70 out of 80 Lok Sabha seats to non-BJP parties; and Muslim voters were instrumental in this verdict.

Out of the 80 Lok Sabha constituencies in Uttar Pradesh, Muslims are over 20 per cent in two dozen-odd seats in the western region including Bareilly, Badaun, Pilibhit, Rampur, Sambhal, Amroha, Meerut, Muzaffarnagar, Saharanpur, Bijnor, Amroha and Moradabad. Little surprise then that the recent communal riots have polarised sentiment in these very areas. In eastern UP, they are decisive in another 12 seats including Azamgarh, Bahraich, Gonda, Sravasti, Varanasi, Domariyaganj, Gonda and Balrampur. If Modi decides to contest from one of these seats, especially Varanasi, the effect of polarisation will be felt not just in western UP but also in western Bihar/ Bhojpur region.
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Hari Seldon wrote:^^Sir, its not lust for power but a cry for help. He's compromised, the UPA has dirt on him and is armtwisting him. His name has figured in things like the Jain hawala scam etc (not that he's guilty but the possibility cannot be denied) and anyway, dirt on his family and kids also might be a vulnerability.

Anyway, time to stop dragging LKA into everyhing now. Feel sad for sri sanku whose loud chants of soo-sai-baba and implicit claims of knowing better than us unwashed on this dhaga have fallen flat and are laid bare as merely an elaborate rationalization of a pre-conceived positions onlee.

Good that RSS has made it clear that there's now no more need to reach L:KA in an official capacity anymore. BJP has put LKA behind them and only the UPA-pasands will rake it up to the best of their ability. My guess is LKA has already fought the last election of his life in 2009, will not be given ticket for this one. Better to have sushma fight from his old seat in gandhinagar, just to ensure her seat is hostage to her good (i.e. non-sabotaging) behavior onlee....

Also good to know that namo has so far not indicated anything like his giving up the campaign committee chairmanship. Nice. only.
Hari sir, if it was mere black mail then LKA would have been happy that Modi/BJP have forced him out. He could have then pled the excuse that he tried but could not succeed. The desparation he is showing is more that of a person used to having untrammeled power, who is now a nobody. Seen this before amongst bigwigs who get used to all the genuflection and sycophancy.

About not dragging LKA in anyplace, agreed. But he seems to be the kind who will burn down the house to get back at his so called rival who has now upstaged him. The part about his family and "secretariat" egging him on, and the tacit "we will inform you of everything" meetings by Anantha Kumar and SS are also inexcusable. The whip needs to be cracked against all these people and Advani should be persona-non-grata unless he reforms his ways.

There is so little time and so much to do, and this guy is behaving like this. He has forgotten his responsibility to India.
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Hari Seldon wrote:The M Calculus: The power and reach of the Muslim vote
Muslim organisations are preparing an extensive advisory to guide Muslim voters across all 543 constituencies. It is doubtful how this will work out in a post-poll scenario as barring the Left Front, almost all major regional parties have associated with BJP at one point of time or another.

The Muslim community's vote can decide MPs in approximately 220 Lok Sabha seats. These seats should not be confused with those where Muslim candidates win. There are only 30 Muslim MPs, roughly 6 per cent of the total number of MPs. This clearly is much less than their 14 per cent share of India's 1.2 billion population.

[...]It will eventually boil down to the critical state of Uttar Pradesh. The Muslim vote has dictated the last two elections in the state. In the 2007 Assembly polls, Muslims chose BSP and in 2012 they rallied behind SP, thus helping the state get single party rule. But in the 2009 Lok Sabha elections, they voted tactically to help the best possible candidates from SP, BSP and Congress win against BJP. On the face of it, the 2009 results from UP look like a fractured mandate; but if one looks closely, the only loser in the state was BJP whose share went down to a historic low of 10 seats, polling about 18 per cent votes, while the Congress went up from 9 to 21 seats polling almost the same number of votes. In other words, Uttar Pradesh had given 70 out of 80 Lok Sabha seats to non-BJP parties; and Muslim voters were instrumental in this verdict.

Out of the 80 Lok Sabha constituencies in Uttar Pradesh, Muslims are over 20 per cent in two dozen-odd seats in the western region including Bareilly, Badaun, Pilibhit, Rampur, Sambhal, Amroha, Meerut, Muzaffarnagar, Saharanpur, Bijnor, Amroha and Moradabad. Little surprise then that the recent communal riots have polarised sentiment in these very areas. In eastern UP, they are decisive in another 12 seats including Azamgarh, Bahraich, Gonda, Sravasti, Varanasi, Domariyaganj, Gonda and Balrampur. If Modi decides to contest from one of these seats, especially Varanasi, the effect of polarisation will be felt not just in western UP but also in western Bihar/ Bhojpur region.
And all these antics are "secular". Hindus voting for a national party = "communal". First and last, their religion. And national interests, state interests be darn*ed. And these are our fellow citizens whom we must appease 24/7.
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ramana wrote:vishvak, That is a non -sequitor. The writer has as much right as other NRIs to comment on Indian politics. Its another matter whether he is right or not.
vishvak, Am sorry to have admonished you. That guy is a Paki and has no business talking about India.
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Congress rejects claims of Narendra Modi effect on DUSU poll outcome

http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/cong ... ome-418732
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ramana wrote:
ramana wrote:vishvak, That is a non -sequitor. The writer has as much right as other NRIs to comment on Indian politics. Its another matter whether he is right or not.
vishvak, Am sorry to have admonished you. That guy is a Paki and has no business talking about India.
He used to be a well liked by some in the India Unity yahoo groups. N^3 used to have access to that India Unity groups. People with any RSS connections were banned immediately. If you think your blood boils reading MSM, try getting into that group - your BP will be at its high every day. Phew....it is like listening to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh but from the pseudo-secular/communist side. There were a few brave hearts who did brave the onslaught. It was tiring though.
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and the reason he needs so much publicity? is it an awareness campaign?
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SaiK wrote:yamar, you deviated into adharmism when you transferred rama's technology (deep ToT here I should say) to abrahmics. they invaded, and ensured their kind ruled. but in the case of rama, where did that happen after ravana?

the anti-bharatiyas are adharmics, and have become monopoly structures institutionalized now. it is deep and wide, and even affected dharmics like you to ignore it.

you are fearing the dharmic market size is reduced by being purely rama-ic, so you are pulling in abhramic dharmas and creating a new market size. well, one can't see the sizes alone in the long run. you can only do so, for elections.. after that, it will fall apart, as adharmic ways are easy to do than dharmism.
I don't think I am ToT. Let me explain.

Rama killed Vali and made Sugriva the king of Vanaras along with Angada as the crown prince. Similarly he made Vibheeshana the king of Lanka after Ravana.

The point is that every family will have people with different attitudes, altitudes and preferences. There is nothing wrong for Bhajapa to look for the dharmic family members/leaders from current political families and parties and rally them around Bhajapa.

Given the timelines and chaos in Bharat it can be a reasonably sound strategy. That doesn't mean we should stop building future generations of strategic leadership from all over Bharat.

My point is that every family has 20% Adharmics, 10% dharmics, and 70% emotional members (the parents of rapists and terrorists kind) Currently the Adharmics are ruling the roost. Now if Bhajapa can bring the dharmics together and make them appeal to 70% emotional members, it could be a winning combination.
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Karan M wrote:
Sagar G wrote:It seems that a disciplinary action would be needed to check Advani now. What a shame the way this man has fallen down, a whole generation of Indians revered him but now he is hell bent in burning down his own legacy well we have already seen another one do the same and Advani seems to be in a hurry so that the other guy doesn't feel lonely out there.
His sense of entitlement is beyond belief.

His lust for power at 86, means he will burn down whatever is in national interest unless he is brought to heel.
Remnant of Dhritarashtra. Like LKG, that blind man too stayed as king (he never coronated Duryodhana as the king). So all of Duryodhana's mistakes are Dhritarashtra's sins.

On the other hand termite family is nanda dynasty, Moork Minority being Rakshasa.
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