Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 27 Nov 2009 10:08

Yeah,
It bothers me as well. Why the hell do they persist with these ill fitting helmets? The same with the BPJs as well.
I think only the NSG has some ballistic helmets that actually fits our boys.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 27 Nov 2009 10:24

If you look at some of the NSG pics you will see they wear their helmets with balaclavas and comm. gear. However, even with all that, these helmet sizes look way too big. I thought Tata was producing these helmets locally?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Nov 2009 10:33

Could they have been conned?

From
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/09 ... he-soldie/

But at 16 pounds, on top of an already crushing 60-plus-pound load for grunts, the gear just wasn’t worth the weight. The Army brass wasn’t exactly thrilled with Land Warrior, either — it yanked every last dime to fund the get-ups. The half-billion-dollar, 15-year project looked dead.

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 27 Nov 2009 15:03

Hi.....Since there has some discussion going on reagrding NSG's looks, I would also like to put my 2 cents

To some extent I agree with Dmurphy. I believe most of us agree with him (If we don't want to acknowledge that then it's fine). I think that NSG guys look better in berets. Well of course they cannot wear that in combat. But if we see their photos at the raising day or any other casual photo then they are no less than any of their western counterparts.

Here is the video of M.S dhoni visiting NSG's Manesar campus. Look at the guys when they are lined up to welcome Dhoni. Only god knows what will happen to that unfortunate person who will come in their way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzz7FjFzHdY

Thanks

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 27 Nov 2009 15:12

thanks for representing most of us and lets move on since this is for pictures.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 27 Nov 2009 15:15

sunny y wrote:To some extent I agree with Dmurphy. I believe most of us agree with him (If we don't want to acknowledge that then it's fine).

Dude, i appreciate your support, but please let that issue die a silent death. Or I will die a noisy one here on BRF

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 27 Nov 2009 15:17

Check out this photo. This is from Mr. Ajai Shukla's blog.....

http://i50.tinypic.com/2z9i9gj.jpg

This camo looks like the OFB's new desert camo. I haven't seen any IA soldier wearing it.

This is the kind of gear that our sodiers need (BPJ's covering neck area very well, knee pads). Unfortunately I haven't seen any soldier wearing such kind of helmets or BPJ's. The latest embarassment came after seeing the photos of Force 1 commandos wearing those wierd helmets.

Well atleast now they have helmets

What's the point in decorating a dummy every year in Expos. I mean is this simply to generate curiosty among general public that one day our soldiers will have this.

Thanks

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 27 Nov 2009 15:22

Surya & Dmurphy

Agreed. Let this issue close. My apologies if I did something wrong.

Thanks

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 27 Nov 2009 15:34

sunny y wrote:My apologies if I did something wrong.

NP

sunny y wrote:Check out this photo. This is from Mr. Ajai Shukla's blog

Haven't seen it before, but I think its a representation of the FINSAS for the IA being proposed by the DRDO. Could you provide the link to the article please?

And since we're on the topic: French DGA orders 16,454 FELIN soldier modernisation systems We can discuss further on this on the International Army news thread.

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 27 Nov 2009 15:51

Hi Dmurphy...I think you are right. This looks more like FINSAS work. By the way, here is the link to that article.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2008/05/ ... llion.html

This photo was used as a reference in this article. Otherwise there is no realtion between this photo & the article.

And Wiki says that DRDO will develop only Multi caliber rifle & gernade.
What about the comm equipment ?? I seriously wish they are no considering awarding this to Thales. i believe DRDO in collaboration with Tata or BEL can produce something good.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 28 Nov 2009 10:49

sunny y wrote:Check out this photo. This is from Mr. Ajai Shukla's blog.....

http://i50.tinypic.com/2z9i9gj.jpg

This is the kind of gear that our sodiers need (BPJ's covering neck area...)

You mean like these?

http://i49.tinypic.com/70evz4.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rxjq4n.jpg

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 28 Nov 2009 19:14

shiv wrote:Could they have been conned?

Yes. The US armed forces have mostly transitioned away from PASGTs since early 2000s. The picture you showed is actually one of the newer replacements (notice less neck coverage). A few friends who have used it like the increased situational awareness and closer fit it gives (yes there were fitting issues for most PASGT users). I don't know the full architecture of the IA patka, but if you add a solid top-protection it may become a pretty useful battle-helmet.

shiv wrote:Always Import. Imported is always better no? Indian heads should grow to fit American helmets. Americas greatness is reflected in bigger helmets and if India wants to become great we have to learn to grow our heads to fit those helmets.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 29 Nov 2009 23:27

From Chindu

RAISING DAY: Newly raised first ever women contingent of Border Security Force (BSF) during raising day Parade in New Delhi. Photo: Sandeep Saxena

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 29 Nov 2009 23:36

^^^Another day another camo! Maybe this is part of the "Winter Collection" !

When will the fashion parade end ??

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 Nov 2009 23:43

Why cant we just issue a new digital fractal camo for all our ground forces instead of constantly coming out with new 3 color types?

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 29 Nov 2009 23:51

Double post.

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 29 Nov 2009 23:53

RoyG wrote:Why cant we just issue a new digital fractal camo for all our ground forces instead of constantly coming out with new 3 color types?

Maybe because different terrains = different camo. And also India is a land of geographical diversity.

BTW Its the best till now IMO.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 30 Nov 2009 00:47

Wouldn't it be better to have just 3 digital designs (wooded, desert, and urban)? Marpat only comes in wooded and desert but it was shown to be more effective than the 3 color type. Also did better in IR tests.

"The pattern is formed by a number of small rectangular pixels of color. In theory, it is a far more effective camouflage than standard uniform patterns because it mimics the dappled textures and rough boundaries found in natural settings. This is caused by how the human eye interacts with pixelated images. It is also known as the "digital pattern" or "digi-cammies" because of its micropattern (pixels) rather than the old macropattern (big blobs)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARPAT

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 30 Nov 2009 01:10

RoyG wrote:Why cant we just issue a new digital fractal camo for all our ground forces instead of constantly coming out with new 3 color types?

The Indian Army's new pattern is optimized to the average North Indian woodland terrain (where most of the operations are expected); it is very much like the French FELIN system developed for Central Europe. There is also a desert variation of the same (seen only a few senior officers wear it so far). Then of course there is the old palm-frond pattern on rifle green which is being phased out. That is it for the Army.

It makes perfect sense that the constabulary forces should have different uniforms than the military forces. Most of the proliferation of new patterns we see is in the constabulary forces, which have multiple decision making commands... of course the MHA can probably step in and rationalize all of them, but still they will have to be different from the military forces.

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 30 Nov 2009 01:39

RoyG wrote:Wouldn't it be better to have just 3 digital designs (wooded, desert, and urban)? Marpat only comes in wooded and desert but it was shown to be more effective than the 3 color type. Also did better in IR tests.

RoyG,
MARPAT has not seen extensive combat; and neither have seen industrial-scale warfare - so how can it be show that one is "better" than other, or either is any good? A camo's measure is not just in how well it hides you... but also how safe it is, how comfortable it is, how it adjusts to evolving field conditions, and how easily and cheaply can it be manufactured. The best camos in terms of "effectiveness" (i.e. hiding) are ghillie suits - but they are hardly practical for anyone other than small sniper/artillery observer/combat controller teams. The simple Khaki has by far been the most successful camo in history. Trade offs are made between a number of factors when a professional force decides to adopt a particular pattern. What may be a priority for the US or Canada may not be the same for India or France.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Dec 2009 14:42

Guys, this is the Misc Pix thread... please keep discussions to a minimum and only post pictures with brief comments. Thanx. There are plenty of other threads with discussions which can be launched with a link to the relevant picture.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 06 Dec 2009 17:10

Sorry for posting this 3 days late.

Indian Navy prepares for Navy Day
Photos by Mandar Deodhar
Source : India Today

India Navy personnel practice for Navy Day celebrations near the Gateway of India in Mumbai on Thursday, December 3, 2009. Navy Day is celebrated on December 4 every year to commemorate the Indian Navy's successful attack on the Karachi harbour during the 1971 Indo-Pak War.

Navy commandos demonstarte their skills by dropping from a helicopter during practice for Navy Day celebrations near the Gateway of India in Mumbai on Thursday, December 3, 2009.

Source : MSN

Marine commandos of the Indian navy display their skills during the annual Navy Day celebrations at the Gateway of India in Mumbai on Thursday. The Navy has also placed orders for 34 ships with Indian shipyards and another six with foreign shipyards. AP

A sailor mans a machine gun aboard the INS Tabar during an exercise in the Arabian Sea off the Porbandar coast. The Indian Navy ships INS Vidyut (F48), INS Betwa (F39) and INS Tabar (F44) participated in an exercise during Indian Navy Week. AFP

An Indian Navy Chetak helicopter flies during an exercise in the Arabian Sea off the Porbandar coast. The Indian Navy operates more than 155 vessels, including the aircraft carrier INS Viraat, along with jet fighters. AFP

Sailors stand on deck aboard the INS Tabar during an exercise in the Arabian Sea off the Porbandar coast. AFP

The Indian Navy ship INS Vidyut (K48) is seen during an exercise in the Arabian Sea off the Porbandar coast. The Navy is acquiring a number of platforms -- frigates, destroyers, corvettes, offshore patrol vessels, mini counter vessels, fast interceptors and tankers -- while finalising design for the landing platform dock on the lines of INS Jalashwa (USS Trenton). AFP

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Dec 2009 19:43

Avinash R wrote:
Sailors stand on deck aboard the INS Tabar during an exercise in the Arabian Sea off the Porbandar coast. AFP

What on earth is that hose that hangs under the barrel?

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 06 Dec 2009 20:53

shiv wrote:
Avinash R wrote: <image>
Sailors stand on deck aboard the INS Tabar during an exercise in the Arabian Sea off the Porbandar coast. AFP
What on earth is that hose that hangs under the barrel?

My wild guess: It could be an infra red targetting system that one can use at night like that in an M-16 rifle.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Dec 2009 22:43

^^^ why would that have a long hose attached ?

my wild guess would be a channel for liquid coolant, it's a rapid fire gun, it could need some cooling. but then I don't think any modern gun uses such a thing.

other two options, electrical wiring or gas outlet(unlikely IMO).

KiranM · Post by **KiranM** » 06 Dec 2009 23:03

Fume extractor?

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 06 Dec 2009 23:17

Muzzle velocity feedback cable

AnantD · Post by **AnantD** » 06 Dec 2009 23:26

What on earth is that hose that hangs under the barrel?

They are for water cooling/liquid cooling. I remember reading an article an OTO rapiud fire naval guns that were water cooled and you could see the hose hanging underneath. The water jacket around the gun must be quite thin and the coolant circulation must be at a high rate when firing.

http://navy.org.za/pages/melara76.html

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 06 Dec 2009 23:28

^^^Link not working...404 Error

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Dec 2009 07:27

From Daylife

SRINAGAR, KASHMIR, INDIA - DECEMBER 06: Indian Border Security Force (BSF) soldiers stand in formation during their passing out parade on December 06, 2009 in Humhama, on the outskirts of Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian administered Kashmir State, India. 665 new trained recruits of the Indian paramilitary Border Security Force constables took oath to serve India by working in the force during their passing out parade. The recruits have successfully completed their 36 weeks of basic training which involved physical fitness, weapons handling, map reading, counter-insurgency operations and human rights. These recruits will join Indian soldiers to fight militants in Kashmir, a spokesman of the paramilitary BSF Said.

New recruits of the Indian paramilitary Border Security Force march as they carry Indian national flag during a passing out parade ceremony in Humhama, on the outskirts of Srinagar, India, Sunday, Dec. 6, 2009. 665 recruits formally inducted into the BSF, will join Indian soldiers fighting separatist Islamic guerrillas in Kashmir to help end an insurgency that started in 1989.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 07 Dec 2009 08:16

This is one of the image I uploaded on Imageshack. I got them from the Imperial War Muzeum online site http://www.iwm.org.uk
There are tons more at the above website. Visit the website. Look for photographs and do a search for "Indian Army". You have pictures dating from the Indian Mutiny(1857).
Avram

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 07 Dec 2009 09:25

http://img41.imageshack.us/i/4thindiana ... afric.jpg/

Riza Zaman · Post by **Riza Zaman** » 07 Dec 2009 21:15

Avinash R wrote:
A sailor mans a machine gun aboard the INS Tabar during an exercise in the Arabian Sea off the Porbandar coast. The Indian Navy ships INS Vidyut (F48), INS Betwa (F39) and INS Tabar (F44) participated in an exercise during Indian Navy Week. AFP

Looks like the IN is replacing the scooter helmets, good

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 07 Dec 2009 21:36

^^^ When did IN ever have scooter helmets? Is this going to start the annual B-R scooter helmet debate?

What is the 3rd MARCO doing?

Avinash R wrote: http://i50.tinypic.com/2u7x7k5.jpg
Marine commandos of the Indian navy display their skills during the annual Navy Day celebrations at the Gateway of India in Mumbai on Thursday. The Navy has also placed orders for 34 ships with Indian shipyards and another six with foreign shipyards. AP

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 07 Dec 2009 23:42

Raja Bose wrote:What is the 3rd MARCO doing?

Thats not a Marco, thats a bird!

Anurag · Post by **Anurag** » 07 Dec 2009 23:51

LOL

It's a bird, it's a plane, no it's a Marco!

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 07 Dec 2009 23:54

Raja Bose wrote:What is the 3rd MARCO doing?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Dec 2009 23:57

super-mario ! er, MARCO !

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 08 Dec 2009 00:01

Raja Bose wrote:Is this going to start the annual B-R scooter helmet debate?

Boseji, nothing to beat our NSG's "Hamara Bajaj" helmets!

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 08 Dec 2009 01:08

Aditya G wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:What is the 3rd MARCO doing?
Thats not a Marco, thats a bird!

Looking back at the pic again, it still uncannily looks like a MARCO executing a swan dive during freefall! The alleged bird's wings look like the lower body and the body of the bird looks like the MARCO's outstretched arms