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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 04 Jul 2011 18:11
by Ramachandran Subramanian
Karunanidhi is a spent force. His own son(s) are slowly distancing themselves from him. He is like an old don who needs the protection of the current don so that he does not get knocked off.
Jayalalitha is also playing the Tamil cause card for some credibility with the TN people.
But there might also be some legitimate representation of her constituent's feelings for the Sri Lankan Tamils. This is totally legitimate even though she might not care too much for them. It can always be argued that she is representing her people's ideas.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 04 Jul 2011 18:34
by habal
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 06 Jul 2011 17:37
by Philip
I don't know how many watched Rajiva Wijeyesinha ,adviser to the GOSL on the BBC's Hard Talk refuting many of the allegations about war crimes,the authenticty of the Channel 4 clip,etc.,etc. Rajiva is a long-standing member of the Liberal party in the island,which though numerically small and politically insignificant,contains many vocal intelectuals who make themselves heard in the media.He gave a robust defence while acknowledging that genuine cases would be examined.The problem is that the compared to the LTTE,the GOSL has been unable to cmbat effectively the propaganda put out by the LTTE.Having lost the war,the LTTE diaspora is now trying to win a propaganda war,egged on by certain western countries who are livid at the GOSL for telling them to "f--k off".David Milli-Bond & co. got short shrift from pres.Rajapakse when they personally flew down to Colombo and tried to save Prabhakaran and the top LTTE leadership in the last days of the war.As Rajiva accurately said,Miliband was only interested in his constituency at home before the elections which Labour eventually lost.
The animosity of the west towards the current dipensation in Colombo,and open attempts to try and pin a "war crimes" stamp on Rajapakse & co.,smacks of similar attempts going on right now with Karadic at the Hague.Russia,China and India all supprt the GOSL against former colonial and imperialist powers who are smarting from losing their influence in such a strategic island.Lanka was depicted during the '80s in a US military map as an ally-during JRJ's reign,it has now turned east,towards China.INdia must also step up its role in the island.Giving a large order for patrol craft to a Lankan dockyard will help cement the military ties further.This piece by veteran journalist and editor Gamini Weerakoon explains what is happening to Lanka's foreign policy.Read it in full.
http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2011/07/0 ... ace-china/
Xcpt:
CAN SRI LANKA DITCH AMERICA AND EMBRACE CHINA?
By Gamini Weerakoon
Sri Lanka’s friends - Dimitry Medvedev and Hu Jintao
Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa went into warm embraces with Presidents Hu Jintao of China and Dmitry Medvedev of Russia at the St Petersburg International Economic Conference last month but there were only brickbats for Rajapaksa from British political leaders such as David Cameron and the US State Department during the same period.
The Russian and Chinese leaders had assured the Sri Lankan president of their backing against attempts by the UN, which is strongly urged by leading western nations such as the United States and Britain, to compel Sri Lanka to probe alleged war crimes by its armed forces.
On Wednesday the US State Department urged the Sri Lankan government to ‘quickly address allegations of war crimes and ‘demonstrate that it is able and willing to meet these obligations as it seeks reconciliation’. If Sri Lankans do not do this there will be ‘growing pressure from the international community to examine other options’ the State Department had said.
While the issue of whether the United States and its allies have the moral right or the right under international law to make such demands on a sovereign state has been questioned before and will no doubt be reiterated, it also appears to mark a point of departure in foreign policy of Sri Lanka and the West
And how the Chinese "invasion" ,of which I've written about before,is being deeply
resented by ordinary Lankans.
(More from the Sunbday leader,same issue.)
Chinese Colonialism
Are you in the government? Are you in the Rajapaksa family? If not, then the Chinese government is probably no great friend to you.
The Chinese government’s relationship is state to state, not person to person. It is important to remember this, and doubly important to remember that you, unlike Louis XIV or Mahinda VI, are not the state.
The Chinese are building ports, infrastructure and public spaces. Remember who did that last time? It was the British. The British colonial regime built roads, railways, infrastructure and the artificial port of Colombo. They imported docile labourers from India and paid off Sri Lankan elites to serve the regime. They also introduced legislation to allow for the outright sale of land.
What’s happening today? The Chinese are loaning money for road and rail projects in the north. They’re also giving loans for power and infrastructure and they built the artificial port of Hambantota. They import cheap Chinese labor, or deport their own prisoners as forced labor. In the process, they have bought off the Rajapaksa family with arms and funds. That family is now introducing legislation to allow foreigners to buy land outright and has already sold land near the Galle Face Green to a former arms supplier.
There is no doubt that the British pillaged the country and poisoned race relations. The price for casting off that colonial hangover, however, seems to be another stiff drink from the same wretched quaff.
That colonialism consisted of Sri Lankas elite’s selling off the country’s resources to make the British Empire colossally wealthy and secure. Chinese colonialism consists of the Rajapaksa family selling off Sri Lanka’s resources with the added innovation of doing most of it through loans, thus making Sri Lankan taxpayers foot the bill for their own subjugation.
Think about it. Is the Chinese government a friend of Sri Lanka, or a friend of the family? What benefits Sri Lankans directly is human-to-human contact, be it trade, tourism or immigration, on those counts, how does China stack up.
Sri Lanka’s main export partners are the US, Europe and India. Around 1% of an estimated $7 billion USD in exports are to China. China is our second biggest import partner, so they make money off of us. Our people don’t really make money off of them.
Most of Sri Lanka’s tourist arrivals come from India and Europe. Around 2% of an estimated 48,000 tourists in May 2011 were from China. That’s 1,337 people.
Most Sri Lankans working abroad go to the Middle East. According to 2008 data from statistics.gov, one (1) person migrated to China that year.
Most Sri Lankans studying abroad go to Australia, UK, the US or Canada. Up to 15-20,000 Sri Lankans study abroad. In 2008, by Australian estimates, 24% of Sri Lankan students went there. Chinese numbers are unclear. Each year the Chinese government offers 104 scholarships, but it is not yet a major education destination.
So, by all the counts that matter to the Sri Lankan people, China is not our number one friend or partner. But they are number one to the ruling family.
Thus, Mahinda Rajapaksa’s cosy relationship with the Chinese serves his interests much more than the nation’s. He’s turning against the nations that provide business for Sri Lankans, business that puts food on the table. He’s turning against the nations that come and visit us, providing livelihoods for thousands and human connection for more. He’s also turning against the places where ministers and ordinary people try to get visas to study or work.
Make no mistake, Mahinda Rajapaksa is selling out the country to the Chinese to enrich himself and his family. The infrastructure is needed, but the loans and debt are not. And the Sri Lankan people would be wise to question the intentions of the people giving us ‘free money’. From Africa to Asia, the Chinese have shown no compunction about destroying foreign environments or lives to further their own interests. They simply pay off elites and take what they need. And they don’t really need you.
So, welcome to your new colonial masters, and enjoy the new infrastructure. The British built our Town Hall. Now the Chinese have given us a Performing Arts Center a few blocks away.
One more article from the same paper.
http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2011/07/0 ... worsening/
SRI LANKA’S ALIENATION IS WORSENING
Although there is mounting pressure internationally against Sri Lanka (SL), with Western countries and the European community taking a tough stand against it, the President of SL however reposed immense confidence in India and the Commonwealth countries that they would stand by SL.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 08 Jul 2011 17:42
by joshvajohn
Are you in the government? Are you in the Rajapaksa family? If not, then the Chinese government is probably no great friend to you.
The Chinese government’s relationship is state to state, not person to person. It is important to remember this, and doubly important to remember that you, unlike Louis XIV or Mahinda VI, are not the state.
Quote from Philip's post - I like this statement though I disagree with you in putting India versus China to eliminate Tamils altogether by supporting Rajapakse! Happy that some good critical thinkers are there among Sinhalese writers. They should get together to expose and throw this government and bring good governance and peace settlement in the country and also bring down the prices and establish good relationship with the West and be fair to Tamils - prosperiety for this country is not very far! It can grow with India rather die with Red Army!
China seeks influence in Indian Ocean: Report
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 137063.cms
Spotlighting Lankan Tamils
http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/op-ed/sp ... 91572.html
And what better time to do this than after a triumphal victory? This should address the anxieties of Sri Lanka and give it an opportunity to renew its social contract with all its peoples. Winston Churchill once said: “In war, resolution; in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity.” It will be useful to follow such advice, since it appears to have worked well in history. Rajapaksa will serve the Sri Lankan nationalist cause more if he delivers minority rights and reassures his majority community that they can be secure and progress can be faster when their policies and state institutions are inclusive, rather than exclusive and jingoist. The Sri Lankan Opposition also should not indulge in nationalist chest-thumping outbidding each other. Such haggling has led Sri Lanka through enough tragedies.
Anuradha M Chenoy is director, Centre for Russian and Central Asian Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University. E-mail:
[email protected]
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 08 Jul 2011 18:56
by Philip
don't know if any remember one of my posts in the immediate aftermath of the defeat of the LTTE,when I said that Pres.Rajapakse now had the opportunity to emulate emperor Asoka after his defeat of Kalinga and win the hearts and minds of the defeated northern Tamils,the majority who had also suffered at the hands of the LTTE.
It is now incumbent of the Pres. to undertake a transparent open investigation into genuine war crimes allegations-at least for his reconciliation commission,but what is frankly disgusting and smacking of rank hypocrisy are the cries from the western nations who have killed innocent civilians in the lakhs in the Balkans,Iraq,Afghanistan ,Pakistan and now in Libya, and who have zealously protected their own leaders responsible for that genocide,the likes of Bush,Blair and co.,continuing now with their successors using the same excuses to carry on as before.There is a clear difference between the war in Lanka,which was the equiv. of a bloody no-holds-barred civil war and the invasions and attacks by the west,which show up neo-imperialism to the fore.The BBC and other wetsern media should first ,as the good book says,"pluck out the mote from their own (country's) eye,before attempting to pluck it out from another's"!
It is very clear that certain neo-colonial and imperialist entities in the west are now firmly rooting for the remnants of the terrorist LTTE who are safely ensconced in their lands,taking their cue from the western masters,in an attempt to regain their lost foothold in the island.Unfortunately,Tamilnadu is going to become the springboard for these attempts and India must be extremely watchful not to allow the LTTE to gain afoothold in TN again.Let's not forget that the very same diaspora Tamils claiming to represent the interests of northern Tamils in the island never condemnd the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi and actually justified his murder by the LTTE as revenge for the IPKF's supposed "war crimes" when it tamed Prabhakaran and co.The LTTE diaspora are agents of the very western entities who enslaved much of Asia and India 500+ years ago and who shamelessly are selling their souls for 30 pieces of silver.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 08 Jul 2011 19:54
by joshvajohn
LTTE is dead except those who are with Rajapakse and company!
It is Rajapakse who needs LTTE more than anyone in Srilanka!
http://print.dailymirror.lk/opinion1/48137.html
Every discourse on a political solution in post-war Sri Lanka has centred on a single argument: President Mahinda Rajapaksa, having won the war against the LTTE, should have no problem delivering peace to the larger Tamil society and polity. Not only the Tamils in the country or their Diaspora brethren believe in it but the international community also has faith in such presumptions.
The reverse is also true. Sections of the Sinhala polity and intellectuals, as also their counterparts in the Government apparatus, still see the TNA in the same mould as its war-time self. They see it all only in black and white. There is no space in their minds for shades of greys. Individual Sinhala leaders and thinkers may have their preferences and perceptions, and the TNA leadership, they all have concluded, per se, is moderate.
If President Rajapaksa is not able to – or, were even unwilling to – give the Tamils an acceptable political solution, no other leader in his place for a few more decades to come could do so. None would even want to venture out in that direction. In theoretical terms, it could include Tamil leaders of the three denominations, namely, the Sri Lankan Tamils, the Upcountry Tamils and the Muslims, even if one were to become President or Prime Minister.
The only tangible reason for western antagonism appears to be China. China is the sole challenger of the sole remaining superpower in the western world. Rajapaksa is obliged to China for supplying the massive flow of armaments without which his victory over the LTTE would not have been.
http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2011/07 ... brace.html
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 09 Jul 2011 22:12
by chaanakya
It was LTTE which had brought untold miseries to Srilankan Tamils by adopting tactics even other Terrorist organisation were found reluctant to.
LTTE killed SriLankan Tamil Leaders systematically and tried to monopolize Srilankan Tamil voices.
They Killed those who sought to support them.
LTTE killed Rajiv and alienated India by and large and that includes majority of people in Tamilnadu. But it would be wrong to think that India has no sympathy or concern for Srilankan Tamils. Innocent Srilankan Tamils' interest must be protected.
Those voices in TN, who seek to revive LTTE, should see the conditions of Refugee camps run by TN Govt.
It would be a grave mistake for other countries to allow revival of LTTE, that would give lot of moral support to erstwhile dead /dormant terror organisation.
As for Srilankan Tamils , I think they would be better served if true leaders emerge from among them through a political process. They badly need leaders to voice their plight. Indian Tamils are least suited to this task.
Srilankan President/Govt and Mr Rajpakse in particular, at this juncture of history has the unique opportunity to address Srilankan Tamils and bring reconciliation by giving opportunity for a political solution to emerge, without interference from Western or any other Nation.
As for mad dog prabhakaran, he deserved his fate and no tears need be shed. Any one remembers Dhanu?
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 10 Jul 2011 10:58
by thusitha
Nosoj said ...
Not sure if this reflects the average Sri Lankan , but, just check out the comments on this page. Quite pacqui !
Having interacted with numerous Sri Lankans in the Gulf, I can confirm that the views expressed in the 'comments' share commonality with that I've experienced
The common Sri Lankan grown up on stories of -
- RAW training camps for the LTTE in TN
- TN being a logistic base for the LTTE
- GOI turning a blind eye the movement of man and material between India & SL
- vocal support offerred by TN politicians
and that India was FORCED to change all this once SL started cultivating China & Pakistan
Basically they lay the blame of the entire LTTE mess firmly in India's lap, and believe that they politically managed to stop India by playing 'my enemy's enemy is my friend'
And this is what BJP wants the Indian government to do.
TIRUCHY: Urging the Centre to introduce a resolution at the UN for declaring Sri Lankan president Mahinda Rajapaksa as a war criminal, the CPI on Friday made it clear that it was ready to join hands with its arch rival, the BJP, to press for this demand in Parliament.
'It is time to nationalise the issue, since a unanimous resolution pressing for this demand has been passed in the Tamil Nadu Assembly, which represents the will of Tamil people. There is no opposition to this demand in the State and now the issue should be moved forward to the national stage', CPI State deputy secretary C Mahendran told reporters here.
What BJP is saying is to charge Rajapkshe with War crimes. This will end up charging all the beloved president plus the beloved military leaders of SL.
And you wander why we don't trust you?
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 10 Jul 2011 11:17
by thusitha
This is where I got it from and they definitely mentioned BJP.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/cpi-bjp-read ... 0-118.html
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 10 Jul 2011 11:27
by Ramachandran Subramanian
If Srilanka does not tow our line and provide a meaningful reconciliation plan for the Tamils, it is fair for us to use any means to force the issue. If SL thinks that they can use PRC and TSP to force our hand, then we have to use what ever is in our arsenal to force their hand.
yes the LTTE venture turned out not so good for us, but may be we can learn from the mistakes and use better tactic this time.
It is power play. If SL thinks they can play the field, we should too.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 10 Jul 2011 11:50
by Aditya_V
So you trust what CNN-IBN has said about the BJP? Let me bring you some news, in its existence CNN-IBN has never been Objective when it comes to the BJP and would love to see the party and its "Internet Hindu" supporters to be extinct.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 10 Jul 2011 13:29
by joshvajohn
‘Horrific TV war crimes documentary’ casts cloud over Australia’s Sri Lanka tour
http://www.dailyindia.com/show/450038.php
Crisis after crisis here and abroad
* Govt. keeping people in the dark or confusing them on arsenic in rice, contaminated petrol, cricket crisis and power cuts
* Future of PSC shaky as alleged war crime issue booms in more countries
http://www.sundaytimes.lk/110710/Columns/political.html
Rajapakse needs LTTE very much because to keep the majority Sinhalese away from discussing local issues of corruption, rocketing prices and other major issues affecting their lives heavily while he and his family earns and controls every thing nationally and internationally.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 11 Jul 2011 16:09
by joshvajohn
From Sinhala Intellectuals and critics
Nobody can fool everybody, all the time, unless everyone is Sinhala and the “nobody” is a Rajapaksa. That seems the philosophy of Mahinda Chinthana.
The Rajapaksa’s thus try to fool the Sinhala South again, but not the neighbours next door who know how many times the “lie” was taken home to Delhi, for want of diplomatic subtleties and not the Tamil Diaspora either, who are determined to square off with this Rajapaksa regime on war crimes first, before political solutions are spoken of.
Yet this Rajapaksa regime continues with the same naïve approach in avoiding a pragmatic political solution to the Tamil problem, for no apparent advantage. They fail to understand that any political compromise on a broadly consented solution could only benefit them more than any other, with social stability, unity and international confidence that should help ward off advocacy for investigations on war crimes and crimes against humanity. Perhaps also with its own, a more robust apparatus than the deflated Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission
By Kushal Perera
http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2011/07/1 ... stituency/
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 12 Jul 2011 02:48
by thusitha
If Srilanka does not tow our line and provide a meaningful reconciliation plan for the Tamils, it is fair for us to use any means to force the issue. If SL thinks that they can use PRC and TSP to force our hand, then we have to use what ever is in our arsenal to force their hand.
yes the LTTE venture turned out not so good for us, but may be we can learn from the mistakes and use better tactic this time.
It is power play. If SL thinks they can play the field, we should too.
Understandable. But remember, you are surrounded by multiple enemies as well. Much larger than us. It much better to have a cordial relationship between the two nations. Sri Lanka is slowly coming to age. We are not the village idiots that we use to be.
Instead of this carrot and stick approach, we need time to develop and the countries is doing that very well now.
By the current tactics of allowing mass demonstrations against SL government, you are fuelling the people of Tamil Nadu the hope of Independence in India. The transnational Tamil governments not only would affect us, it will affect you one day as well.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 12 Jul 2011 03:02
by Mahendra
Huh! wonder what our friend would have said if Sri Lanka had Pawkistan as neighbour. The ISI staged an attack on the cricket team of a supposedly friendly nation enough said!. Please spare us the patronising talk on having friendly neighbours. India does not have hostile neighbours by choice, this is perhaps lost on many people
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 12 Jul 2011 03:07
by Mahendra
India also allows mass demonstrations against Israel, USA, India allows Kashmiri separatists to hold conferences and address the media in the national capital, there is no need to get worked up about demonstrations held in Tamil Nadu. When the war was in its decisive phase, India did didly squat to stop it. despite there being a sentiment that India must intervene and prevent Tamil civilian casualties.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 12 Jul 2011 03:19
by RajeshA
thusitha wrote:Sri Lanka is slowly coming to age. We are not the village idiots that we use to be.
Without a consciousness that you are a part of the Indian Civilization, and need to both devote your energy to it and receive your energy from it, you will remain a village idiot!
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 12 Jul 2011 04:05
by thusitha
Without a consciousness that you are a part of the Indian Civilization, and need to both devote your energy to it and receive your energy from it, you will remain a village idiot!
Quick to jump to conclusions. Shows your intellect.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 12 Jul 2011 04:17
by RajeshA
The remark was directed at Sri Lankans in general. If you feel adressed, so be it.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 12 Jul 2011 04:27
by Stan_Savljevic
RajeshA, why are you derailing thread after thread with this Greater Indic fancy? Once is fine, twice is pushing it, three time and more becomes Rahul Mehta-esque.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 12 Jul 2011 10:14
by RajeshA
Stan_Savljevic wrote:RajeshA, why are you derailing thread after thread with this Greater Indic fancy? Once is fine, twice is pushing it, three time and more becomes Rahul Mehta-esque.
Stan_Savljevic ji,
I would say, that is because the "Greater Indic fancy" touches upon several neighbors of India, which happen to be the subject matter of these threads. A bit tautological! Isn't it?!
So what gives you a headache? My mentioning of "Indian Civilization"! Or the fact that somebody brings in a different narrative than how you have defined the terrain for each and every neighbor, with your
listing of issues (A good post by the way)! And anything outside that list, should be a no-go area?! Have I somehow pissed on somebody else's terrain?!
Perhaps following is the
remark, that really got your goat:
RajeshA wrote:thusitha wrote:Sri Lanka is slowly coming to age. We are not the village idiots that we use to be.
Without a consciousness that you are a part of the Indian Civilization, and need to both devote your energy to it and receive your energy from it, you will remain a village idiot!
The remark was made mostly in the context that Sri Lankans love to flirt with China, to spite India and IMHO also work against India's national interests. It is my position, that they should not do so, simply out of civilizational reasons. And I have noticed many Sri Lankans post here, threatening the same - "Either India falls in line, or they will sell their island to China".
*****
If you have issues about my "derailing" threads, please do take this up with the mods. If you are in luck, you may see me receiving some stribes.
Or how about simply trying to ignore my posts!
Don't want to make an issue with a senior and learned BRFite like yourself! So I would simply avoid a clash of words by not responding to your further posts.
Regards
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 13 Jul 2011 01:30
by joshvajohn
UNP MP Mangala Samaraweera said today that there was a possibility of Sri Lanka being taken before the International Criminal Court (ICC) before the end of this year by the International Community over allegations levelled against the country of human rights violations committed during the war. Addressing a media briefing, he said that the government had resorted to laughable acts in rejecting the allegations without conducting a proper investigation.
http://print.dailymirror.lk/news/front- ... 49339.html
Most corrupt leaders give themselves a decent interval of at least a couple of years before they descend into dictatorial mode and ensconce their family members in positions of power. But President Mahinda Rajapaksa came pre-packaged and ready to distribute the wealth of the nation to his family and he already had a head-start on this.
To this day there is no accounting for the US$ 183,000 Treasury approved fund he obtained for Helping Hambantota, a charity to help Tsunami victims in his constituency. For an obscure law practitioner in the outback of Tangalle until he became prime minister on April 06, 2004, his meteoric rise to presidency was envied by long-standing contender to presidency Ranil Wickremasinghe, the opposition leader.
http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2011/07 ... s-icc.html
The ICC collaborates very closely with the UN Security Council and its mandate to bring war criminals to justice has been proven by its success as stated above.
Apart from international calls for the government to justify killing civilians in their thousands (the exact numbers will never be known) and other atrocities locally the President is ignoring warning signals of total discontent among his populace the majority of whom are Sinhalese.
The clock is ticking for the Royal Family’s demise but how graciously would the government let go of its reign?
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 25 Jul 2011 20:19
by SwamyG
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 7d73a1.131
Though the USA aid to SL has been declining, now USA has threatened to cut of the aid. Amma's supporters could view it as her influence with Hillary

Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Jul 2011 14:09
by thusitha
Don't know whether this is 100% correct or not, but SL army didn't innocent civilians the way the Tamil Diaspora claim it to be, which is around 40K
Colombo, 28 July, (Asiantribune.com):
Latest UNICEF report for July 2011 has blown out the hype of exaggerated repetitions by - international elements saying that there were '40,000 civilian deaths' during the final stages of the Sri Lankan humanitarian campaign.
The UNICEF report in its latest analysis of missing persons accounts the numbers as 2,564 individuals. The report also reinforces the Government's policy on zero civilian casualties endured during the end of the conflict resulting in the world's largest rescue mission.
In its independent report prepared in collaboration with the Northern Provincial Department of Probation and Child Care and Government Agent of Vavuniya, UNICEF reveals that 676 children- of which a staggering 64% that holds LTTE terrorists culpable of forcible recruitment of underage to war.
UNICEF says it launched the project, Family Tracing and Reunification (FTR) in Dec. 2009 over 9 districts in response to a spate of tracing requests received since the conclusion of the conflict in May 2009. It believes in spite of difficulties in tracking down those listed missing; more children could be found and re-united with their families. It says that so far 78 children have been matched and referred to probation for tracing, verification and reunification.
Earlier, Gordon Weiss, the Former UN Spokesperson in Sri Lanka in his infamous Channle-4 presence alleged security forces as responsible for deaths of 'over 40,000 civilians herded by LTTE in a narrow stretch of land’.
In response to his comment, the UN distanced itself by stating that the statement made by Gordon Weiss was his personal account and not that of UN. Stunned by the UN response, Weiss during a book launch in Melbourne Australia last week, revised his vague figures as 10,000 stirring much controversy.
On 15th February 2006, the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) representative in Sri Lanka Joanna VanGerpen in a communiqué‚ released stated that, "Over 5,300 child soldiers have been enlisted by the
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Jul 2011 14:11
by thusitha
SwamyG said ...
Though the USA aid to SL has been declining, now USA has threatened to cut of the aid. Amma's supporters could view it as her influence with Hillary
The biggest question is can they afford to give us money? To me they are in a terminal decline.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Jul 2011 18:15
by chetak
thusitha wrote:SwamyG said ...
Though the USA aid to SL has been declining, now USA has threatened to cut of the aid. Amma's supporters could view it as her influence with Hillary
The biggest question is can they afford to give us money? To me they are in a terminal decline.
Relax Thusitha ji,
They are not in as bad a shape as you fondly think.
A very very very big amount for SL is a very very very piddly amount for them. This piffling amount they will be able to afford without blinking and even while they are going down the tubes.
After the internecine war fare primarily between your tough army chief and your wonderful credit grabbing president, a small issue that could have been settled amicably within the family was wantonly blown out of proportion in full international public gaze.
Thereby inviting a lot of rats and cockroaches into your home.
Now the price has to be paid.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Jul 2011 19:50
by joshvajohn
Exclusive: New Sri Lanka 'war crimes' evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZC1uclg ... r_embedded
My son is ashamed to call himself a Lankan – Chandrika Kumaratunga
http://truthdive.com/2011/07/28/my-son- ... tunga.html
Kumaratunga asks Rajapaksa to share power with Tamils
http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/n ... 64123.html
India cancels military training for Sri Lankan soldiers following protests
http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11A/ ... 9253CH.php
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Jul 2011 21:10
by Stan_Savljevic
^^^ So all the videos leaked out of the spat? Hahha, even the Ramayana composers could nt have done it better.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Jul 2011 23:08
by joshvajohn
If Srilanka can sue the Channel 4 then the truth will come out but the lives of those army folks who confessed will meet the same fate as those of the victims. Srilanka with the support of India, China and Russia is trying its best to hide or refute these things. But the truth will have to come out and govt has to bring those names of those who told them to do this genocide. Historically it will be a shame for all those nations supported such inhuman acts.
Sri Lanka 'war crimes' soldiers ordered to 'finish the Job'
http://www.channel4.com/news/sri-lanka- ... sh-the-job
Why did Rajapaksa pay LTTE to defeat UNP presidency?
To block voting in the North Basil paid 180 million to LTTE to buy boats –Tiran Alles makes shocking disclosure
http://www.lankaenews.com/English/news.php?id=9006
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 28 Jul 2011 23:29
by Stan_Savljevic
Joshva, unless you have had some near or dear ones caught in the middle, all this Human Rights etc. is just a canard. Every country should feel ashamed of being a sitting duck in the midst of HR violations at some place or the other, so there is no need to gang up on India, china or russia for any of their omissions or commissions. The mighty HR nazis in norway and europe are now stuck with what to do with someone who does what Blaise Pascal told the Jesuits:
You demand liberties in the name of our principles that you deny in the name of yours.
The less said about the nazis of the world's greatest thug-o-crazy, the better.
The GoSL needs to make its peace with its Tamil people, that is in both India's and Sri Lanka's best long-term interests. True devolution of powers and internal autonomy conditioned on non-breaching of sovereignty is what India would advocate to the GoSL, any day. That is probably what the GoSL will take if it moves away from its insecurity of the arab and the Camel stable. All this punishment, etc., is drama-baazi that does nt even have a captive votebank on this side of the Palk Strait. Most people just want their fellow linguists to live happily, which of course is utopia. Short of that, the best compromises have to be made independent of any moralistic posturing. The power of the GoTN is over-estimated. Veerapandi Arumugam was running a cock-a-snook for more than a month till he surrendered a couple of days back, so much for talking to another toothless lady from the Hill. If we all lived in a make-believe fantasy, amma could be the amma for the whole world.
PS: I am probably being quixotic here, but yea what the heck. On the one extreme, we have a truly quixotic expansionist agenda on this dhaaga and on the other extreme, we have a carping on human rights which looks more and more like vested rather than proper. There seems to be no space for a middle-ground bordering on a normative discourse, disgusting is not even close to the right word for this dhaaga. IB4TL.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Jul 2011 14:10
by joshvajohn
Stan, You are very intelligent person and got me in the right way. If you read my argument in the Christian fundamenatlism thread I have argued against cultural liberalism while appreciating its attempt for equity of all human beings. For me the Maxian ideology should do what it is supposed to do that is to improve material relationship between human beings and thus shape their social ideologies. But if you notice the cultural schools have done more to fight out that faiths, values and worldviews have often stood against such transformative approaches and so they tried to eliminate all together such system. For those who wish to reform some thing and retain good things have lost their arguments because cultural schools began to impose themselves as intellectually righteous rather than Habermas' consensus. In the case of China they tend to impose the marxian chinese culture as the culture of Tibet too. This is where the reactions against cultural liberalism arise.
Coming back to the context of Lanka, preserving Sinhalese culture on the one hand while not imposing on the other on the other hand was the balance kept by the previous govt. On the other the basic human dignity and equity are those elements expected from any government in this century. But unfortunately because of LTTE's arrogance, Tamils have lost even their basic rights at this time. After defeating LTTE, the government should have restored the life of Tamils and allowed them to exercise as normal civilians of their country. Rajapaksa has followed the policy of Hitler in keeping Tamils under torture and humiliation that they will also either leave the country or fight again their government so that they can shoort Tamils again. If one go into Lanka everyday Tamils are abducted and killed and hanged on the trees as if they had committed suicides. In this sense this government of Lanka thinks that by placing India against China and China against India somehow eliminate or send Tamils out of Lanka. Any government in this century can get away from their responsibilities of protecting their own citizens and their rights to a minimum standard. If they failed to do then they should be international condemnation of such authority and power.
Nowadays such governments think that they can get support of China and possibly Russia by speaking against the West by killing their own (such as in Myanmar and Lanka). India's foreign policy is a complete failure if we also stand along with these regimes by supporting genocide of their own citizens. We should be friends to our neighbours but our core of values of Indian democracy and our historical values should not be forgotten. This is where I do not think Congress government should not use opportunistic politics with their neighbours rather should focus on growing together in a fair and transparent manner rather than simply supporting authoritarian regimes. Because such support has often brought the countries down and made their economy a century backward. If anyone noticed in Africa those countries that got Chinese support are still not able to get out of their ethnic wars nor they in any way of growth. But it is Chinese who benefited out of such supply of arms and so on.
We should recognise the fact that we are a power centre in South Asia. We should not impose our values but somehow we are interdependent on each other. Srilanka economy can grow if India and other regional nations can do fair business and investment. But for this Srilanka can no more do with the policy of hatred and playing between China and India. Srilanka will remain a poor country for another two or three decades under Rajapakasa' party. Possibly another Western intervension may be there in the neighbourhood of India if India is not leading or giving them the right advice and right guidance. This is why my passion is. I think Sinhalese in genearl are very lovely people.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 29 Jul 2011 21:49
by SwamyG
thusitha wrote:SwamyG said ...
Though the USA aid to SL has been declining, now USA has threatened to cut of the aid. Amma's supporters could view it as her influence with Hillary
The biggest question is can they afford to give us money? To me they are in a terminal decline.
If it comes to aid, would you prefer aid from India or America?
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 01 Aug 2011 15:37
by joshvajohn
http://www.sundaytimes.lk/110731/Columns/focus.html
From a reasonable Srilankan newspaper.
With increasingly gargantuan corruption, rising economic woes and confrontations with sectors of society ranging from trade unions to university academia, past tactics of capturing public opinion may not always hold good. In discussions mid this week with some practitioners of the Matara Bar for example, considerable disaffection with the way that the country is being run, (emanating even from those who supported this regime at last year’s polls), was clearly evident.
It may also not always be possible for the government to cling onto that exceedingly useful international war crimes cry. Even in the absence of an effective opposition therefore, it may become increasingly difficult for the regime to hold back popular rebellion. And it is certainly opportune for President Mahinda Rajapakse at least now, to realize the value of safeguarding constitutional democracy for the good of his own administration, if the good of the country is no longer a persuasive reason.
Even Indian government does not notice this or they do not want to notice this.
Kashmiri Pandits, Sri Lankan Tamils and Indian hypocrisy
http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column ... sy_1571225
The present Indian government (Congress with the support DMK) has decided to humiliate Tamils in India.
Protest against Sri Lankan delegation in Lok Sabha
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 441734.cms
Sri Lankan journalist critical after murderous attack
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 311116.ece
Supporting Srilankan government means party to such killings.
Tamils and Muslims face discrimination in Sri Lanka as there is a lack of a level-playing field for these communities in the Island Nation, according to political analyst and two-time nominee to Sri Lankan Parliament A Kandappah.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-levelplay ... 0-118.html
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 01 Aug 2011 17:19
by Gerard
unless you have had some near or dear ones caught in the middle, all this Human Rights etc. is just a canard.
It is also quite tedious. This is not a Lankan forum.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 07 Aug 2011 01:53
by Stan_Savljevic
The ethnic polarisation which is taking place in Sri Lanka does not augur well for stability and security. The increasing disenchantment of the Tamils against the policies of the Government – what forms will it take need to be seen. If the President and the ruling party are genuinely interested in ethnic reconciliation, they must immediately give up the policy of majoritarianism which had been the main stumbling block towards peace since the dawn of independence. Magnanimity in victory, which many democrats consider to be the hall mark of statesmen, is completely absent in Sri Lanka. If the aspirations of the Tamil minority groups are ignored at the altar of Sinhala majoritarinism, history may repeat itself in the island republic. For those who do not learn from history, they will be compelled to relive it.
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r4635.html
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 07 Aug 2011 08:00
by habal
>> Magnanimity in victory, which many democrats consider to be the hall mark of statesmen, is completely absent in Sri Lanka.
Neither side in this conflict is really worth supporting.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 08 Aug 2011 13:27
by chetak
They seem to have learned the lesson from from canada and others.
New Zealand denies entry to Sri Lankan asylum seekers
Melbourne, Jul 12 (PTI)
New Zealand government denied the entry to a boat carrying 88 Sri Lankan asylum seekers stating that they would not be welcomed in the country, according to media reports today.
The PM considered that the message of not being welcomed in the country, given out to the asylum seekers was not harsh.
"If New Zealand doesn't have strong policy in this area then what it ends up doing, in my view, is sending completely the wrong message, which is that we welcome people who are going to jump the queue, that we want people to put their lives at risk," Key added.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 08 Aug 2011 18:08
by Kashi
US fighter jets intrude into Lankan air space
Govt. to protest; combat planes believed to be from the Seventh Fleet
By Leon Berenger
The government will protest to the United States over the intrusion of Sri Lanka’s air space by a squadron of ten fighter jets. The Sunday Times learns that the protest will be handed over to the US Embassy in Colombo by the Ministry of External Affairs.
“What we are trying to establish is whether the US fighter jets had violated the oceanic air space or the territorial part of it,” Civil Aviation Director Genera H. M. C. Nimalsiri told the Sunday Times yesterday.
“In terms of accepted international norms, anyone wanting to use the country’s air space is required to file flight plans and obtain prior approval,” he said.
A senior Air Force official speaking on grounds of anonymity
admitted that there were periodic incursions by US combat aircraft into Sri Lanka’s air space. “There were occasions where we had to tell them to move out,” he said.
“We have communication intercepts to confirm that they were carrier-based aircraft. In this instance we have reason to believe that the jet squadron was from the US Seventh Fleet,” he said. The tracking station atop Pidurutalagala -- the tallest point in Sri Lanka -- was the first to identify the intruding US aircraft. Officials there immediately conveyed it to the Civil Aviation Authority and the Sri Lanka Air Force.
The tracking station with modern radar equipment with a range of 200 nautical miles and covers 380 kilometers of airspace. A US embassy spokesperson declined to comment yesterday.
US sending out a message to the Lankans?
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 08 Aug 2011 20:10
by Lilo
A senior Sri Lanka Air Force official speaking on grounds of anonymity admitted that there were periodic incursions by US fighter jets into Sri Lanka’s air space. “There were occasions where we had to tell them to move out,” he said.
“We have communication intercepts to confirm that they were carrier-based aircraft. In this instance we have reason to believe that the jet squadron was from the US Seventh Fleet,” he said.
The tracking station from Pidurutalagala -- the tallest point in Sri Lanka -- was the first to identify the intruding US aircraft. Officials there immediately conveyed it to the Civil Aviation Authority and the Sri Lanka Air Force.
The tracking station with modern radar equipment with a range of 200 nautical miles and covers 380 kilometres of airspace.
Kashi wrote:
US sending out a message to the Lankans?
Looks like it, but 10 Jets is quite a large number.
Wonder what they were upto .. testing some chipanda installed air defenses ..?
Couple of them may even be growlers and remaining F/A -18 Super hornets from the 7th fleet.
Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion
Posted: 09 Aug 2011 16:16
by Philip
Pres. Rajapakse could've emulated Emperor Asoka after defeating the universally despised LTTE,but now seems to be losing the plot and is struggling to "win the peace".The gestures to the tamils in the affected north could've been greater and wider in scope.Now that there have been elections and a new set of Tamil elected reps.,normal political activity should fill the vacuum that exists so that the development of the region can be accelerated and all issues regarding resettlement,etc., can be resolved asap.
Def.Sec. Gotabhaya,his brother,in the interview to an Indian news channel,was clearly not capable enough,or suave enough to present his viewpoint more cogently,even though he made a virile and froceful defence of the Lankan (GOSL's) viewpoint.The Eelam war was brutal in the extreme and if civilians suffered,then both sides were to blame.The LTTE determined the style and conduct of the war thanks to its exceptional brutality and the Lankan forces paid them back in the same coin.The GOSL is here on the backfoot in the propaganda war because it has not given enough attention to this vital side of the coin of conflict.
Unfortunately,just as predicted,the LTTE diaspora have cleverly jumped onto the AIADMK supremo's bandwagon and is shooting from her shoulder at the GOSL.As I said a long time ago,just after the war ended,that they would try their best to infiltrate TN ,regroup and and use the services of corrupt and rentable politicos for their insidious purposes.She should remember how Rajiv G was betrayed and assassinated afer he dropped his guard when the LTTE came all lovey-dovey to him.The visit of Hillary Clinton to TN had a hidden agenda.The US tried many moons ago to divide TN from the rest of the country when IG was PM.Upon finding out about the alleged conspiracy,she dismissed the Karunanidhi govt.Keep a close eye on how the US will use the "Tamil" card both in Lanka and India.The US wil use all its guile and covert means to destabilise the GOSL of Rajapakse from the shores of TN.The GOI seems to be clueless about this as they have been blinded by the "human rights/war crimes" campaign,which is actually a ruthless and devilish gameplan of the US to regain its control over Sri Lanka which it had during the pro-US regimes of JR Jayawardene and Premadasa and US stool-pigeon Ranil W,JRJ's nephew.It is not for nothing that Pres.Rajapakse is now turning to China in order to combat the US's designs against his regime.
Some sources say that the overflights by US aircraft are trial runs for military ops against the Lankan govt. if and when the US feels it has to "take out" the GOSL just as it is trying to do in Libya with Gadhaffi.Trincomalee and Hambantota are a vital base and port from where any navy can control the sea lanes from the Gulf to the Indo-China Sea and the Pacific.The strategic importance of the island grows by the day and the GOI needs to rapidly shore up its influence in the island.Indian investment in Lanka is one sure way by which goodwill and leverage can be established/obtained.But this needs to be sprad all across the island,bot just in the north and east,but in the south too in the Sinhala heartland.Rcent rp[eorts about Indo-Lankan cooperation in maritime and other spheres