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anupmisra wrote:No foreign troops to be allowed in Fata

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Truer words were never spoken. After all, the most foreign of troops, aka the Pakjabi Army, has been denied entry in Fata for more than a decade.

Cyber attacks from India
Letter to Yawn from the Administrator of a baki forum whose name we must not mention. As usual, pakiness (claim - blame - denial - GUBO) streams through.

As you know, the government of India has gone on a rampage to ban various websites

This has motivated cyber attacks from India’s cyber criminals

We have been facing distributed denial of service attacks (DDoS) since this list was leaked

We, being of limited resources, are struggling just to keep ourselves alive and running

We are spending at a rate of close to $20,000 a year just to survive

we as an organisation support freedom of speech

Therefore:

I would hope to get the Indian government to reconsider and realise we are not doing anything shady but upholding noble ideals by allowing free debate.

A big

sadhana wrote:In that context, my guess is that Jinnah considered Jamaat i Islami including Maudoodi to also be an essentially powerless set of leaders to whom he could say what they wanted to hear, but who, when required, could be outmaneuvered by him and other (likeminded elite) Muslim leaders, and whose supporters would obey when commanded.

A lot of present day Pakistani politics is carried out on the same assumption of power flowing from the top, why persuade when you can decree, over power, manipulate, out maneuver or outgun from the top?

Power flowing ONLY from the top is an Islamist way of thinking. One reason for that is that unfettered thinking could be harmful to religiosity. That is why Islamists oppose democracy.

Be that as it may, I would put the Jinnah-Mawdudi interaction, cited above, in a different context.

There were two dominant groups of Muslims, among others, within the Muslim population of India (in the Yamuna-Ganges belt) of the 30s & the 40s. One was communal and the other was Islamist. The communal group wanted a separate Pakistan because they wanted to take back the power which had slipped from their hands two or three hundred years back. The 'communal' group sided with the British because they knew that without their munificence a separate Pakistan was impossible to achieve. Aga Khan, Sir Syed Ahmed Khan et al were prime movers of this group. However, the Islamist ulema opposed the creation of Pakistan (for their own reasons), and they were anti-colonial too especially after the dismantling of the Ottoman Caliphate. IMO, Jinnah's desire was to settle scores with Gandhi (whom he hated for personal reasons) and Nehru whom he regarded as unworthy of being even compared with but whom he had to deal with due to prevailing circumstances. The problem was that the ulema did not accept Jinnah as the 'Sole Spokesman' of the Muslims because of not only his political views but also that would have undermined their own hold on the Muslim masses. It was easy for Jinnah to gather the support of the communal group because it was the leaders of this group that requested him to return to India from England and take over the leadership of the Muslim league. So, Jinnah had to devise means to garner the support of the ulema, or at least cause a split among the ulema community. His game plan, vis-a-vis the ulema involved two components. One was to promise the ulema an Islamist Pakistan and the other was to 'manage' their sectarian differences by resorting to a larger cause, namely claiming that 'Islam was in Danger'. It is in this context, that I would read the Jinnah-Mawdudi interaction. That interaction was arranged by the Raja of Mahmoodabad, an important member of the 'communal' group from the Yamuna-Ganges belt. Another example of Jinnah's approach towards the ulema was his close association with Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani, the rabid Deobandi fundametalist. Usmani engineered a split among the Deobandi ulema. Maulana Usmani was generously rewarded in Pakistan later on. This was his accommodation with the Deobandis and Wahhabis. His promise to the Pir of Manki Sharif to implement shariah in Pakistan was his accommodation with the Sufi Berelvis. The Raja of Mahmoodabad, his closest adviser, was a Shi'a. The point is that he promised an Islamist governance to the various sects. I believe that Jinnah was reckless and that bothered him in the least, though that satisfied his ego immensely, because he knew what he was getting Pakistan into and yet went ahead with it because he was aware that he would not live long enough to face the consequences as he was dying due to TB & Cancer.

Here is the famous Aqal of Ik Ball on Democracy:

Jamhorriat woh Tarz-e-hukumat Hai Ke Jismain
Bandon Ko Gina Karte Hain Taula Nahin Karte

Naturally him and Jinnah thought they have the super brain which tuned out to be no more than the Crawler living in Delhi Drain.

Speedy trial will bridge the trust gap: MMS to Zardari

In which capacity did the non-state actor Bilawal Bhutto attend the meeting ?

Newsweek Pakistan cover story:


Probably referring to this:

'People of other religions busy in useless activities during religious festivals': So say Pakistan's school books

LAHORE:
National Commission for Justice and Peace (NCJP) has conducted a content analysis of the revised curriculum of Punjab and Sindh textbooks for 2012-2013 for inclusion of biased and discriminatory content against religions other than Islam.

The findings reveal excessive use of the words Hindu, Christian and Jew while discussing the history of Pakistan and Islamic Studies, which portray the said faiths in a negative light.

For example, an Islamic Studies book of Sindh board for class 5, in a chapter on Eid (religious festivals), includes a line saying, “People of other religions usually stay busy in useless activities during their religious festivals. There is no concept of God or submission among them.”

The chapter “Pakistan, an Islamic State” in the same textbook of Punjab board includes this line: “Hindus harmed Muslims in every way.”

The content analysis has been published in Urdu to generate a debate on how the inclusion of discriminatory content in curriculum sows seeds of hatred, and to ensure that the review reaches maximum people.

Sajid Mir linked to transcontinental LeT strikes - Praveen Swami in The Hindu

In addition, the Treasury has acted against Abdullah Muntazir — a long standing operative who, using the alias Abdullah Ghaznavi, once acted as the Lashkar’s spokesperson on Jammu and Kashmir. In a 2009 statement, Mr. Muntazir gloated over gun battles that had broken out along the Line of Control, saying they were “a message to India that the struggle for Kashmir’s freedom is not over.”

Mr. Muntazir is currently affiliated with a think tank at which he offers advice on terrorism-related issues, including the Lashkar; {Which think-tank is that ? American ?} he also appears frequently on television chat shows. In one article posted on his blog last year, Mr. Muntazir eulogised the slain al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, saying, “They claim you are dead but for you it is the beginning of eternal life.”

SBajwa wrote:

Can some one subtitle this in english here ?
http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/vi ... -pakistan/
I dont have a good grip on many of the urdu words for me to do this

‘Blasphemy Goes Beyond Religion’- Paul Bhatti

Paul Bhatti, the Minister for National Harmony whose brother and predecessor Shahbaz was gunned down last year for speaking out against Pakistan’s strict blasphemy laws.Bhatti, is the only Christian cabinet minister in Pakistan, ......

But the cases are not solely a matter of religion, he said. The fact that the majority of Pakistan’s three million or so Christians are also poor and stuck in menial, dirty jobs is not total chance: many originally came from the lowest ranks of the old caste system. Discrimination and harsh treatment made these people receptive to the preaching of missionaries from the West, and the partition of India to create Pakistan in 1947 did not mean the end of social divisions.

“It is not just a religious problem. It’s a caste factor, because it is a certain group of people who belong to the poorest and most marginalized people,” Bhatti said. “Unfortunately they are Christians and this caste system creates lots of problems.”..............

Paul Bhatti, the replacement and brother of the bull-cutleted Shahbaz Bhatti now blames the "caste system" for spontaneous Muslim rage against the Christians in Pakiland.

What cast system, is it not confined to Hindus onlee. Also, if the Hindu cast system has polluted the pure. Then does it not make them wajib-ul-cutlett.

Lilo wrote:

‘Blasphemy Goes Beyond Religion’- Paul Bhatti
The fact that the majority of Pakistan’s three million or so Christians are also poor and stuck in menial, dirty jobs is not total chance: many originally came from the lowest ranks of the old caste system.

So a paki christian leader chooses to blame the old Hindu caste system on his peoples' current travesty. Does he not remember how he came about to being what he is today? The last name "Bhatti or Bhati" is a dead giveaway. He is careful not to blame the islamists or the paki society. Hmmm... I wonder why.

Is it because that if his "poor people who number in millions" remain the way they are today will continue to remain beholden to him (and his illustrious, well positioned family) for a long, long while? It is in his personal selfish interest to keep his people in the same social status forever.

Besides, blaming the majority religion will probably hasten him on his way to meet his brother faster than he can say "Whoa...!!?".

ISI office in Occupied Balochistan attacked

Pratyush wrote:What cast system, is it not confined to Hindus onlee. Also, if the Hindu cast system has polluted the pure. Then does it not make them wajib-ul-cutlett.

The so-called Hindu caste system is a convenient way to blame all their ilks on something else other than themselves. Has Mr. Bhatti ever been to a paki muslim's home and shared a glass of water with his host?

anupmisra wrote:

Pratyush wrote:What cast system, is it not confined to Hindus onlee. Also, if the Hindu cast system has polluted the pure. Then does it not make them wajib-ul-cutlett.

The so-called Hindu caste system is a convenient way to blame all their ilks on something else other than themselves. Has Mr. Bhatti ever been to a paki muslim's home and shared a glass of water with his host?

By critising Hinduism Mr Bhatti thinks he will be insursed from meeting the same fate of his Brother.

Doubt it will work though.

What Paul Bhatti said is correct. He didn't say "Hindu caste system", did he? That caste discrimination in pureland is much worse than in India is just a fact.

I don't understand why BRites would find his statement objectionable.

When a blue-blooded Talibani-jihadi supporter, Imran Khan, is himself wajib-ul-qatl and next in line, Bhatti stands no chance and he knows that. But, who isn't free of a little greediness ?

Nandu wrote:What Paul Bhatti said is correct. He didn't say "Hindu caste system", did he? That caste discrimination in pureland is much worse than in India is just a fact.

I don't understand why BRites would find his statement objectionable.

Well because caste system is owned by evil Hindu's and no other society has it. And only evil Hindu Brahmins are allowed to and are capable of oppressing and genociding lower castes.

We do not like it when people following other desert religions steel our USP. It would make the dhimmis amongst us back home realize the truth and come back to evil Hinduism in hordes polluting our yindoooostan...

We strongly condemn Mr.Butt's comment. Blasphemy and he should be stoned to death even per his own faith. Did he consult his grand church in Rome before making those statements by the way?

If you doubt the intelligence of our own dhimmis, bliss to visit OT thread.

Christians demand separate province in Pakistan to protect them from persecution - Younus Masih Bhatti

Pakistan's embattled Christian minority have launched a campaign for a separate province to protect them from persecution after a wave of brutal attacks and arrests for blasphemy.

The demand for a separate province, although unlikely to succeed, is a further blow to the ideal of Pakistan's founding father, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, of a secular country that would be home to India's Muslims but where all would be free to worship their own religion.

The move is the brainchild of Younus Masih Bhatti, president of the Pakistan United Christian Welfare Association, who wants a government commission on new provinces to consider the plight of Christians.

"So, keeping in view the two million Christians in the country and a sense of insecurity among them, there is a requirement for a separate province for them so that they can enjoy equal rights like the majority," he said.

What! a separate province ?
As a concerned Southasian sickular i suggest the Christians of Pureland to stop whining all the time about this and that.
If they are feeling persecuted, why can't they now convert to Shia Islam while continuing with their duties of removing dead animals, cleaning nalas/sewage channels (as paid/unpaid municipal workers) and doing any other menial and impure jobs which they are called upon to perform and which a regular pure momeen cant be burdened with.

What ever faith(must be of lesser purity!) they convert/revert into, they MUST perform their obligated duties.
By doing so they will not only be honouring their perpetual obligation of serving the momeen of the purest extraction in the Pureland, they can also freely bask in the pious glow which emanates from them. Also as an added benefit they will get to keep their lives (not their women though ).AoA.


PS: Down with the Yeevil Yindu Cast oppression !! Dalit Panthers Zindabad!! I Deepthroatedly Condom © the Yeevil Brahminist oppression being perpetuated in Yindia next door.

friddin score. Its a good scoring over
Pakistan police: Car bomb kills 11 people outside market in northwest

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A powerful car bomb ripped through a market in northwestern Pakistan on Friday, killing at least 11 people, police said.

The explosion in Mattani bazaar near the city of Peshawar injured another 20 people and damaged 30 shops, senior police official Abdul Sattar said.

TALIBAN RELEASE VIDEO OF SHOWING SEVERED HEADS OF 12 PAKISTANI SOLDIERS

"Praise be to God that the mujahideen in Bajaur agency have managed to kill the infidel soldiers of Pakistan," says TTP Spokesman Sirajud Din

"12 of them as you see have been beheaded, you see 12 heads here, and more heads are on the way.” according to TTP Spokesman Sirajud Din

^^^
Non state actors vs. State Actors!
Islamic jihadi army taking on Army fighting in the way of Allah.

So it has become a contest of one group declaring the other group as infidels and hence elligible to be cutleted.

AoA!

Caravan story about returning terrorists from PoK

http://www.caravanmagazine.in/Story.asp ... =FullStory

Lilo!
sir that's too much of a work! I tried first 2 minutes!!

Disappointing Fridin

Car bomb rips through Peshawar; 11 Kaffir dead

The explosion in Matni bazaar near the city of Peshawar injured another 20 people and damaged 30 shops, senior police official Abdul Sattar said.Khan said the dead and wounded had been transported to a hospital, and some of the injured were listed in a critical condition.No one claimed responsibility for the attack.Provincial Information Minister Mian Iftikhar condemned the attack, saying terrorists had killed innocent people by detonating the bomb in a crowded bazar.“Such attacks cannot deter our resolve in the fight against terrorism,” he said.Peshawar has witnessed scores of such attacks, most blamed on Pakistani Taliban against whom the military

SBajwa wrote:Lilo!
sir that's too much of a work! I tried first 2 minutes!!

SBajwa ji ,
Looks like i you got it clear through the starting Urdu poem. Thats the one where it was most difficult for me.
Ill work on it for a while and will get back on this.

http://dawn.com/2012/08/31/over-900-pak ... ip-report/

In the comment section, in reply to a comment "All non-muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh are welcome in India", an Abdul asks "What about Muslims who want to move to India?"

FAIL. LOL.

^^^

Don't laugh. He wasn't.

I have yet to meet the Paki who does not think he/she can emigrate to India when they feel like it is necessary. It is very much at the back of their minds ALL the time. Esp. now that massa and Canadian Vizza are not automatic and the Paki name stinks to high heaven.

Tarek Fatah basically states that Pakistan was a British conspiracy and that Rs 600 000 monthly was paid to Jinnah for disbursement to the muslim league.

The other point is that although Tarek almost openly ridicules AQ Khan and his bomb and claims destruction of towns and radiation poisoning as well as questioning a Panjabi bomb exploded in Baluchistan, he reports that Baluchi leaders are still not averse to a federation with PAkistan. Tarek hopes for a pluralistic democratic Pakistan witha humanistic vision of Islam.

That is where Tarek's insight goes astray- he does not realise that there can't be two Indias in the Indian subcontinent. Pakistan is the way it is because India is the way it is.

sanjaykumar wrote: That is where Tarek's insight goes astray- he does not realise that there can't be two Indias in the Indian subcontinent. Pakistan is the way it is because India is the way it is.

Pakistan is on a mission to change India so that Pakistan is not the way it IS

^^^ That comment was by a handle "Ammar" & "muzjee". Dont laugh, because it can be our own WKK.

^^^ RamaY ji, I doubt it. "Ammar" is a Moslem name, as in the famous companion of the Prophet and partisan of 'Ali, Yasir bin Ammar. Its not "Amar", but "Ammaar". It is a popular name among SHI'AS!

Theo_Fidel wrote:^^^

Don't laugh. He wasn't.

I have yet to meet the Paki who does not think he/she can emigrate to India when they feel like it is necessary. It is very much at the back of their minds ALL the time. Esp. now that massa and Canadian Vizza are not automatic and the Paki name stinks to high heaven.

I know. I was laughing at how spectacularly "we want a separate pure country since we cannot live with kafirs" project has failed. In just 60 odd years. And they boast of ruling India for 1000 years which is not even true.

johneeG wrote:These two questions must be answered in detail. Without an official definition, each one(person/party/community) comes up with their own definition of secularism which leads to confusion.

JohneeG mullah, it has been several days and much sewage has flown in the rivers of TSP since then..but it is never too late to thank for a good post.

You should read the articles by Turkish columnist Burak Bekdil at the Hurriyet Daily news. Witty and full of wisdom. He is another Tarek Fatah though much less acerbic.

One of his articles, he talks about a 'Muslim-meter' that pure folks carry around, to measure the 'Muslimness' of ROP adherents. For instance, the AKP types find other Turks 'less Muslims' who in turn are not measured good enough by the MB of Egypt types (they are teased for not having the 'tilak' mark on their head which comes from regular prostrating at the mosque). The MB's themselves, as you know are not Muslim enough for the Talibans or the Salafis. And the story continues, with the ultimate gold standard yet to emerge from all this high level intellectual and scientific research.

Of course, Burak says Muslims should throw away the meter and they will be fine, but me thinks they should just ship them all to TSP so the measurements can get more precise and lead to more bull-cattles.

joygoswami wrote: "Praise be to God that the mujahideen in Bajaur agency have managed to kill the infidel soldiers of Pakistan," says TTP Spokesman Sirajud Din

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This man Sirajud Din himself is wajib-ul-cutlet because he said Praise be to God instead of Praise be to Allah. Hope he will be spared so he can continue his good work.

from Tribune (article posted in full).
India assures six-month visa to auto part makers

By Our Correspondent - Published: August 31, 2012

EASING CURBS: 5,000 businessmen have been given visas by India over the last six months. PHOTO: FILE

LAHORE: Indian Commercial Attaché Arvind Saxena, while assuring the business community of introducing a flexible visa policy soon, has announced that Delhi will issue a six-month visa with permission for three entries to managing committee members of the Pakistan Association of Automotive Parts and Accessories Manufacturers (Paapam).

Speaking at a luncheon hosted by Paapam here on Thursday, Saxena said Pakistani businessmen were always facilitated whenever they desired to meet their counterparts in India and over 5,000 businessmen had been given visas in the last six months.

“The association’s chairman, former chairman and managing committee members will be facilitated and they will be able to visit India thrice in six months, without the need for informing any government agency including police.”

He agreed with a proposal that Indian visa procedures should be streamlined for the whole business community in a bid to step up people-to-people contacts.

Addressing the issue of non-tariff barriers, the diplomat stressed that the businessmen of Pakistan should not be afraid of such barriers, which were not at all Pakistan-specific and were debatable.

Speaking on the occasion, Paapam Chairman Nabeel Hashmi said the auto part manufacturers were seeking technical collaboration with Indian companies for manufacturing hi-tech parts in Pakistan.

“Paapam is looking forward to developing contacts with Indian manufacturers, besides analysing the possibility of joint ventures with them,” he said.

Praising the Indian government for allowing investment from Pakistan, Hashmi termed it a positive step, but pointed out that procedures had not been clarified for Pakistani investors and these should be flexible for enhancing trade in the region.

In an attempt to strengthen trade ties, Indian manufacturers of all auto sectors including two and three wheelers, cars, trucks, buses and tractors have been invited to visit Pakistan and set up manufacturing facilities to cater to the needs of Pakistan and central Asian states. “This can be a win-win situation for both countries and their auto industries,” he said.

He also pointed to the issue of rejection of letters of credit issued by Pakistani banks and vice versa, calling for its solution.

In addition to this, the barriers in the way of auto part exports to India include separate customs clearance procedures, environmental certifications and safety certifications, which are difficult to get. Imports from other countries did not face the same hurdles in India and these should be removed, Hashmi said.

He pointed out that trade promotion was the only way to minimise political tensions in the region and said Pakistan and India should not mix trade with politics. “If we have strong trade relations, the political ties will get better automatically.”

Published in The Express Tribune, August 31st, 2012

from Tribune (article posted in full).
PIA plane skids off Lahore airport runway

By Web Desk - Published: August 31, 2012

PIA says plane skidded due to heavy rain; passengers, crew members remain unhurt. PHOTO: PPI

LAHORE: The passengers and crew members remained unhurt when a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) plane skidded off the runway on its landing due to heavy rain, said a PIA spokesperson on Friday.

The ATR plane, flight PK-653, was on a routine flight from Islamabad to Lahore and was carrying 42 passengers and four crew members.

According to PIA, the pilot controlled the plane when it skidded but the main gear of the aircraft collapsed.

The PIA said that the damage of the aircraft will be assessed and an inquiry will be conducted into the incident.

The runway for larger aircrafts at the airport, on which the incident took place, was closed down immediately after, however the other runway for smaller aircrafts remains functional.

Some earlier reports suggested that the plane had made a crash landing and the flight staff and passengers sustained minor injuries. However, the PIA spokesperson negated the reports.

Earlier today, a Lahore-bound PIA plane made an emergency landing in Quetta due to technical problems.

It was earlier reported that almost a third of PIA flights have suffered delays this year due to technical and administrative reasons, dealing a severe blow to the national flag carrier’s business.

from Tribune (article posted in full). Swap deal between a TSPian Bin Laden informer for a known terrorist against NATO. No Deal says ISI chief.
ISI chief rules out Dr Shakil Afridi, Dr Afia Siddiqui swap deal

By Web Desk - Published: September 1, 2012

Islam tells US that the chapter of Dr Shakeel Afridi should be considered as closed. PHOTO: FILE

ISLAMABAD: The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) chief Lt Gen Zaheerul Islam has denied reports that Dr Shakil Afridi could be handed to the US in swap deal, Dawn.com reported.

According to the report, the ISI supremo, who had held talks with his CIA counterpart earlier in August, told reporters at a press briefing late on Friday that the US should consider the chapter of Dr Shakil Afridi, who helped the US locate al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, as closed.

“He (Dr Afridi) will never be bartered for Dr Afia Siddiqui, no such proposal is under consideration,” the spy chief said, dispelling rumours.

Afridi had been arrested by the ISI from near Peshawar, two weeks after Osama’s death. The official said that Afridi had accepted helping the CIA by running a fake vaccination campaign in Abbottabad a month before the raid on OBL’s compound.

Dr Afridi was subsequently sentenced to 33 years in prison by a tribal court for his alleged involvement with militant groups. He has appealed the verdict in a high court.

from Tribune (article posted in full).
Murderous mistrust: Teenage girl killed for possessing cell phone

By Our Correspondent - Published: September 1, 2012

Accused opened fire on his sister with a 30-bore pistol, which killed her immediately. PHOTO: FILE

DERA ISMAIL KHAN:
An 18-year old girl was killed by her brother for possessing a cell phone in Shor Kot area of DI Khan, police said.

An official of the Saddar police station told The Express Tribune that Muhammad Aslam lodged an FIR under section 302 Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) against his own son, Malik Ameer, stating that his daughter Kaneza Bibi was washing dishes when her brother spotted a cell-phone invoking suspicion that the phone was given to the girl by someone who she had an illicit relationship with.

Ameer opened fire on his sister with a 30-bore pistol, which killed her immediately. The accused escaped arrest by fleeing from the site. Police have started investigations.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 1st, 2012.

from Tribune (article posted in full).
Ajmal khan case: Kidnapper refuses to appear before ATC

By Our Correspondent - Published: September 1, 2012

PESHAWAR: Yousaf, the alleged kidnapper of former Islamia College University (ICU) vice-chancellor Ajmal Khan, refused to appear before the court and accept any of its decision during his hearing in the Peshawar Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC). Yousaf was brought in front of ATC Judge Asghar Ali Shah where he called the court an ‘English court’ being run under ‘English law’. The suspect was brought to the court under additional security but the case could not be heard due his absence. The court was later adjourned until September 15. Yousaf was arrested after he was found driving Khan’s vehicle after his kidnapping. Khan, the cousin of Awami National Party chief Asfandyar Wali Khan had gone missing on September 7, 2009 from outside his residence in Professors’ Colony.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 1st, 2012.