Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 15 Nov 2012 16:13

^^^ Everyday Islam opens up a new deep side of itself for me to look at and wonder.

AoA -- Hate dogs, but pee like one -- AoA

Bhutwani ismaybe an act of sand-blasting ze musharraf. Infact Oirope had a version of Bhutwani, so Bakis should be proud that their four-fathers (who came rolling down the Steppes) used to do the same, since there was no water in the desert.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... s-invented

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Nov 2012 16:18

Well can't blame EH too much then. The sight of momeens lined up by the Side of the road nudging their prix with brix CANNOT be edifying....

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 15 Nov 2012 16:47

Jhujar wrote:Is HamId Gowl the expected Paaqi Mahdi Aadambar Paedombar Lafandar?

Hominid Ghoul

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Nov 2012 16:54

Well, I am surprised that Ejaz Haider is writing as though such things were unheard of in the Land of the Purest and are occurring for the very first time. Everytime Raiwind ijtima takes place these things are common on the Motorway and the Pakistani Railways. How can he question about the civic responsibilities of the Pious ? The 'normative civic sense' that he refers to is a Western concept and has nothing to do with the Islamic (especially, Wahhabi/Salafi/Deobandi variety) ummah. With him being the mouthpiece of the very inner circles of the PA, I can only sense that he is sending a message here. The message is that the PA is helpless about the spread of the 'bad Taliban' and are throwing up their hands.

AoA.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Nov 2012 17:05

Shaashtanga wrote:Inbred Brit-Bakis in Bradford are in denial that inbreeding is harmful. I hope they continue the fine inbreeding rituals.
Clicky

From the news article:

First the facts:

Studies have shown that 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins – and in Bradford, this rises to 75 per cent.

Then the denials:

Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, which promotes the image of Muslims in Britain, said: ‘I know many Muslims who have married their cousins and none of them have had a problem with their children.

Then the fake "this-is-islamophobia-and-it-hurts-our-image" counter attacks:

'But I find Steve Jones’s comments unworthy of a professor. Using language like “inbreeding” to describe cousins marrying is completely inappropriate and further demonises Muslims.’

Of lately I have noticed one major change in brits' approach to the paki problems in their beknighted land. They have begun to name names. It is no longer "Asians" or "British-Asians" or "South Asians" or "British Muslims".

member_23252 · Post by **member_23252** » 15 Nov 2012 17:24

Shaashtanga wrote:Inbred Brit-Bakis in Bradford are in denial that inbreeding is harmful. I hope they continue the fine inbreeding rituals.
Clicky

Comment by Inbred Paki from Manchester

its an asian outrage. not a muslim outrage. there is a difference between the two....that difference is missing from your article Mr Kelly...possibly due to ignorance...but as ever, always happy 2 educate folks like you.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Nov 2012 17:35

This time it is a abdul (not sure if Ahmedi or Shia) that gets 72 for insulting PBUH....with so much violence used to ensure his good name, wonder why they have to keep praying for peace still..

http://tribune.com.pk/story/466170/blas ... n-chitral/

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 15 Nov 2012 18:02

Pakistani soldier Muhammed Hussain is executed for murder

A Pakistani soldier sentenced to death four years ago has become the first man to be executed in the country for almost four years, officials say.

Muhammed Hussain was condemned in 2008 for murdering his senior officer.

He was hanged at a jail in Punjab province early on Thursday morning. All his appeals for mercy were rejected.

Correspondents say the hanging ends what amounts to an unofficial moratorium on executions that has been observed since December 2008.

Every three months the president's office has issued a letter which has put a stay on all capital punishment - a routine that has been in operation for the last few years.

Human rights activists say that the critical factor in Mr Hussain's case was the fact that he was convicted by a military court.

They believe that Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari may have been unwilling to stay the execution because this case involved the military. {He could be put in place of militarywala Ghazi}

Rights activists have expressed concern over the hanging, but say it is unclear if this means the government will abandon moves to abolish the death penalty.

Human Rights Commission of Pakistan Chair Zohra Yusuf told the BBC's Orla Guerin in Islamabad that she did not think Thursday's hanging marked a government policy shift.

"Only recently the president asked the government to work on a draft law to abolish the death penalty," she said.

"I hope this does not have implications for other cases. But I am worried. And I am worried about what happens after March when this government finishes its term."

Sixteen executions were carried out between the Pakistan People's Party coming to power in March 2008 and December of that year.

The last execution before Thursday was that of another soldier, Shahid Abbas, for murder in December 2008.

It is thought that there are about 8,000 people currently on death row in Pakistan - rights groups say it has one of the largest numbers of prisoners on death row in the world.

Amnesty International says many death sentences are handed down after trials which appear to have been unfair, using evidence which would be inadmissible under international law.

Last year alone more than 300 prisoners were sentenced to death in Pakistan.

Media reports say that Mr Hussain's plea for clemency to President Asif Ali Zardari was rejected in December 2011.

Army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani also rejected his mercy pleas.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 15 Nov 2012 18:26

^^ BBC link says "murdering his senior officer", other links on that same page says "colleague" (hawaldar).

In either case, it is clear that Hussain was more pious than the rest and a martyr to the cause.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 15 Nov 2012 18:30

^^^ Will Qadri be executed?

I wonder if a Qadri like situation happens within the Baki military (more bious uniformed jeehardi killing whisky swirling uniform jeehardi).

What will Ashphuck do, his musharraf will be in deep bakistan if a situation like that occurs.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Nov 2012 19:26

Carl wrote:
The other possible meaning of 'butwani' could be the hygienic tapping of the penis with a brick or stone after urinating. .

A bone (yes flippin heck a frigging bone can ya believe it!!) - is allowed for this I am reliably informed

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Nov 2012 19:50

^^^ For the purposes of Estinjaa / Estinja / Istinjaa / Istinja ( ie: act of compulsory cleaning of the penis after urination required by practitioners of Mohammaddenism ) the use of a bone is prohibited.

The prohibition on using bones is on account of the Mohammadden belief that bones are the food of Jinns/Djinns.

Apparently Mohammaddenism has a whole bunch of religious do’s and don’ts regards taking a leak of which the use of bone is but one of many. Check this out:

Istinjaa - Bathroom Etiquette

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 15 Nov 2012 19:56

shiv wrote:
A bone (yes flippin heck a frigging bone can ya believe it!!) - is allowed for this I am reliably informed

Interesting indeed ! So people, all those articles claiming high number of homosexual activity in the Muslim world is all completely false. It is just Abdools tapping each others bones as required by Shariah law. These are bone tapping incidents only.

-M

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Nov 2012 20:02

so the butt is an allowed place to perform but-wani?
that explains it all!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Nov 2012 01:49

Is butwani something like akashwani, but from Paki but instead? Just asking!

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 16 Nov 2012 02:01

Also, it looks like Istinja can be applied to butt as well. You need an odd number > 3 (i.e. 3,5,7) "hard" objects like rocks (not bone because its Djinn food or dried dung because SAAWS did not like it) and then wipe it, truly sandplasting of Musharraf.

It also seems like one is not allowed to talk or touch or hold each others mijjile while wiping (or at any point of time).

More details here: http://www.holytaco.com/lesson-cultural ... etiquette/

I used to wonder why some of the islamic folks at my workplace go to the urinal to piss with a paper towel. It all makes total sense now.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Nov 2012 02:03

^ And they clog the toilets with the paper towels. Morons... I wonder they sit down while peeing in a western urinals....

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 16 Nov 2012 05:06

Must be difficult editing the, ahem, water sports movies

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shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Nov 2012 06:01

RamaY wrote:^ And they clog the toilets with the paper towels. Morons... I wonder they sit down while peeing in a western urinals....

er have you checked what's in the waste bin?

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Nov 2012 08:22

X Posted from the Pakistan arms sale, ops, doctrine etc thread.

Retired Colonel turned Lawyer, Inam Ur Raheem, who filed a case challenging the validity of a three-year extension of service for Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani appears to have been beaten up by his former colleagues namely the uniformed jihadis of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan just some 200 yards away from GHQ.

Meanwhile the picture of the retired Colonel in the NYT article certainly depicts him having a cultivated aura of proper Mohammadden piety complete with bushy beard and other accoutrements of Mohammadden chic like a skull cap.

Would this constitute a case of Blue-Green on Blue-Green violence as Uniformed Jihadi beats up formerly Uniformed Jihadi?:

A Pakistani Lawyer Takes on the Army and Pays in Bruises

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2012 08:50

Renaming of chowk after Bhagat Singh clears a hurdle

Renaming the road in Lahore’s Shadman area after Bhagat Singh was put on hold and referred to the committee late October by the District Coordination Officer (DCO) following objections by some right wing organisations, including the Jamat-ud-Dawah. They opposed naming a road after a non-Muslim. The DCO had ordered the renaming of Fawara Chowk (also referred by some as Shadman Chowk) after Bhagat Singh on his 105th birth anniversary on September 29.

According to committee member Ahmad Rafay Alam, no one in the committee — which included five ulema — opposed the proposal at Wednesday’s meeting. “No one on the committee has opposed it, as far as I know. There were some people who said we shouldn’t commemorate non-Muslims. There were five Ulema on the committee, including from Badshahi Mosque and Jamia Naeemi, and no one objected,” he said in various posts on Twitter.

Till Partition, the roundabout was called Bhagat Singh Chowk in memory of the fact that the revolutionary was hanged there by the British on March 23, 1931, for his role in the Lahore Conspiracy Case. Viewing Bhagat Singh purely as an Indian freedom fighter, Pakistan renamed the place soon after Independence.

This optimism is premature. It is not going to happen. IMO, it would be disrespectful to Bhagat Singh that this has to go through a tortuous process and over objections. Dropping his name was already disgusting and offensive.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Nov 2012 09:14

arun wrote:X Posted from the Pakistan arms sale, ops, doctrine etc thread.

Retired Colonel turned Lawyer, Inam Ur Raheem, who filed a case challenging the validity of a three-year extension of service for Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani appears to have been beaten up by his former colleagues namely the uniformed jihadis of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan just some 200 yards away from GHQ.

Meanwhile the picture of the retired Colonel in the NYT article certainly depicts him having a cultivated aura of proper Mohammadden piety complete with bushy beard and other accoutrements of Mohammadden chic like a skull cap.

Would this constitute a case of Blue-Green on Blue-Green violence as Uniformed Jihadi beats up formerly Uniformed Jihadi?:

A Pakistani Lawyer Takes on the Army and Pays in Bruises

this very same lawyer fellow defended a general accused of having connections to HuT. so he's very pious indeed.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2012 12:12

arun wrote:A Pakistani Lawyer Takes on the Army and Pays in Bruises
this very same lawyer fellow defended a general accused of having connections to HuT. so he's very pious indeed.

HuT hates the PA top brass. No wonder then this guy, an ex-PA officer himself, fights the extension to the PA chief and also defended another HuT-sympathetic General.

Be that as it may, the PA reaction is exactly the same as that of Ayub Khan in c. 1958 when he seized power.

Senior generals insist that, in a country besieged by fractious politics and myriad violent conflicts, the unified and disciplined army is the glue that holds it all together.

That the 'glue' could not prevent secession of East Pakistan, the control of large swathes of territory by the Taliban, could not suppress the Balochis even after inflicting horrendous atrocities on them are matters that the PA needs to be constantly reminded about. In fact, they are singularly responsible for bringing Pakistan to "fractious politics and myriad violent conflicts" that they are conveniently using now as a reason for doing whatever they are doing or planning to do

All said, this lawyer-officer will most likely end up in the same way as Syed Saleem Shehzad if he continues with his pursuit. But, that will be one less in the 'More Pious' brigade if that happens, which should be welcomed unlike the case of SSS.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 16 Nov 2012 14:07

The guy who won't ever come to India is here
Mushy's profile at "Speakers at HT Summit 2012"

Pervez Musharraf
President of Pakistan (2001-2008) - Chief Executive of Pakistan (1999-2001)

President Pervez Musharraf occupied, what TIME Magazine described as ‘‘the most dangerous job in the world,’’ playing a crucial role in the global war on terror. President Musharraf has survived two assassination attempts; rooted out militants in his own government; helped direct countless raids against Al Qaeda - both in his cities and in the mountains; and tracked Osama Bin Laden with technical and human intelligence. His astonishingly revealing memoir, In the Line of Fire, chronicles his struggles for the security and political future of his nation, with high stakes for the world at large.

At the start of his presidency, political restructuring was one of the four areas of focus for his government. He began examining why democracy remained dysfunctional in Pakistan and addressed the core malaise. He empowered the people of Pakistan at the grass roots level through a local government system, which did not previously exist; the women of Pakistan were empowered by gaining reserve seats at every tier of the Parliament; multiple private TV channels were allowed for the first time in the history of Pakistan, and the electronic and print media began operating independently of the government.

Following the September 11th terror attacks, the United States sought President Musharraf’s support to fight the Taliban. With a vision for a modern, democratic, non-fundamentalist Islamic Pakistan, President Musharraf was one of America’s greatest allies in helping to fight the Taliban.

In the course of his seven years at the helm of affairs in Pakistan, President Musharraf traveled widely all over the world and met many prominent leaders, and many of those leaders came to Pakistan and interacted with him. Such top-level interactions allowed him to develop a sense of the geo-strategic realities of the world, and various conflict regions. It also crystallized his views and perceptions of key world issues. President Musharraf articulated one such thought to bring harmony into distraught regions in the form of a ‘‘strategy of Enlightened Moderation’’. This captured the imagination of the West in particular, and was adopted by the Islamic World for Enlightened Moderation.

President Musharraf has a vision for Pakistan, and still believes that it is a nation that has all the resources, the potential and all the human capability to be transformed into a progressive, moderate, and prosperous Islamic State.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2012 14:16

kenop wrote:Mushy's profile at "Speakers at HT Summit 2012"
Pervez Musharraf
President Musharraf has a vision for Pakistan, and still believes that it is a nation that has all the resources, the potential and all the human capability to be transformed into a progressive, moderate, and prosperous Islamic State.

So, how does one measure the moderateness of an Islamic state ? By following the Koran and the Sunnah not completely ? Which verses of the Koran would it follow and which it wouldn't ? How can a country which does not follow the Koran or implement the shariah call itself an Islamic state (moderate or rabid) ?

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 16 Nov 2012 14:22

Someone please explain this to me:
Dual nationality: Lahore High Court disqualifies PML-N MPA Rana Asif

Rana Asif’s membership had been suspended on August 3 on the petition of Faisal Ilyas Sadiq.
Sadiq’s counsel, Saiful Malook, had pleaded that the court should suspend the membership of Asif as he is a Canadian national.

Article 63(1) C bars any person who is a dual nationality holder from representation in any legislature of the country, he said.

Asif’s counsel was quick to rebut that Asif was a Canadian citizen but not a Canadian national and therefore under the said article of the constitution could not be disqualified.

The last sentence there seems to be using very faulty Lahori logic. In most countries, all citizens are also considered the country's nationals, though the reverse is not true (national does not imply citizen, but citizen implies national).

The fun is just starting. A little below, it states:

Asif’s religious affiliations had also challenged in the court.

Malook had alleged that Asif had pretended to be a Christian to be elected to a minority seat. Malook had pointed out that in the overseas identity card Asif had declared himself as a Muslim.

He further said that all his children were also Muslims, according to the records at Nadra. Only his wife was registered as a Christian, he had said.

Asif’s counsel had told the court that his client was a Christian. He had said that his client had been mistakenly identified on the overseas identity card as a Muslim.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2012 15:30

Sense of hurt due to 26/11 'not yet over': India

Pakistan may be keen on a visit by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh but that is unlikely to happen, given India's "sense of hurt" caused by Mumbai terror attacks, a highly placed government source said here today.

Noting that there was "enthusiasm" on part of Pakistan leadership to see Singh visiting that country, the source said, "We are receiving some interesting positive signals but at the same time there are expectations that remain unfulfilled."

Asserting that "this is not a pre-conditional approach", the source said, "there are things that have hurt us very gravely and that sense of hurt is yet not over". {Continue your court-GoP-lawyer-PA nexus for some more time so that whatever hurt remains would vanish and then we can conveniently talk}

"We owe it to our people that we have not forgotten it," he said, referring to the 2008 Mumbai carnage in which 166 persons were killed.

"Whether we are bitter, the answer is no. {WTF is this no bitterness ?} Whether we have forgotten, the answer is no. Therefore, a little balm is necessary even to give us the strength and courage to move forward and that is all we expect from Pakistan. {In other words, we are telling TSP that show some facade of movement, we will then use it to justify moving the whole hog. Help us a little and we will help you. We are not interested in seeking a just punishment for all those involved. All we need is some fake balm.}

"There must be some delivery. We are ready for some delivery, so that we can move forward and all this has to be kept in mind when the Prime Minister decides what the path will be," he said.

Reports emerging from Pakistan in the last one month have indicated that government there was keen on Singh's visit before their general elections in March. According to these reports, Singh's birthplace Gah was also being spruced up for a possible visit by him.

He also mentioned that there was a very "small window" given that Pakistan was fast moving towards their elections.

"The window is very small because they are moving very fast towards their elections next, I am not very sure that the visit of that nature is possible and probable during that window which is very short." {So, it was the 'short window' that was the problem and not Pakistan's lack of movement on 26/11 or continuing terror attacks and plans etc ?}

He also made it very clear that "accountability for what happened in the past and assurance for what must not happen in future" should go hand in hand.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Nov 2012 18:26

SS, sorry for whine but those comments by that "govt source" begging TSP to show some sympathy are disgusting to say the least. MMS pleading with TSP to throw some dog bones. What next? Is Hafeez Saeed going to be invited to that stupid Hindustan Time summit that just started to apply that balm?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2012 18:28

Nuggets - TFT

Samiul Haq opposes Ashrafi's abduction

Carried in Express chairman of Defence of Pakistan Council Maulana Samiul Haq condemned the kidnapping of chairman Pakistan Ulema Council Hafiz Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi and prayed for his good health after recovery from the captivity of his kidnappers. Daily Jinnah reported that a gang clothed in police uniforms picked him up and took him away giving him slaps and later injected him with lethal drugs. They insisted that they were taking him to Shalimar police station in Islamabad. Later he was let go after the kidnappers were traced through a cell phone.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 16 Nov 2012 18:40

a progressive, moderate, and prosperous Islamic State.

Has such a species ever existed in this world in the last 1400 years?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2012 18:45

Najam Sethi's Edit in TFT

But it is the friction between the SC and GHQ that is more troubling. This started with the SC's severe strictures against the Frontier Corps' alleged human rights "excesses" in Balochistan, spilled over into the Asghar Khan ISI case in which a former army chief and DGISI were adjudged guilty of wrong doing in 1990 and is now primed for detonation in the Islamabad High Court which is about to decide whether a petition (objecting to the 3 year service extension granted to Gen Kayani last year) aimed at unseating the army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, is maintainable or not. If the court decides it is worth hearing and wants to proceed with the arguments, the judges will be able to dangle the Sword of Damocles over the army chief's head.

This is a precipitous situation. No army chief can retain his authority in such debilitating and uncertain circumstances. Indeed, if history is any guide, one ought to recall the course adopted by General Pervez Musharraf when he too faced a threat from the Iftikhar Chaudhry-led SC. In November 2007, the SC was about to adjudge a petition praying for the disqualification of President Musharraf from being President because he had contested and won the job while still being army chief when General Musharraf launched a mini-coup by declaring an extraordinary state of emergency and sacked the judges. The rest, as they say, is history.

In this context, three recent developments suggest the crisis is rapidly deepening. Last Wednesday, the Islamabad High Court Bar Association, in association with the District Bar, passed a unanimous resolution attacking the army chief by name and asking him to resign and face an inquiry into his brother's business deals. Since the members of this Bar are known to be staunch supporters of the Chief Justice, the impression has been created that their salvo is motivated. The same day, however, Col Inamur Rahim, the petitioner in the case in the Islamabad High Court challenging the army chief's extension, was beaten up by unknown assailants, creating the impression that someone doesn't like the petition and wants it withdrawn. On Thursday, the Chief Justice cancelled all case hearings, ordered a full court in attendance, dragged the media into the courtroom and held forth on the SC's populist achievements to date. If ever there was a political statement emanating from the SC, this was it. All that is now required is for General Kayani to call a Corps Commanders meeting and do something to stop the erosion of his personal authority and his institution's credibility.

The options are clear. Will the Islamabad High Court throw out the petition against General Kayani? If not, what then? General Kayani can resign; or compel the Chief Justice to resign. If the first is not an option and the second won't work, what then?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Nov 2012 18:52

varunkumar wrote:
a progressive, moderate, and prosperous Islamic State.
Has such a species ever existed in this world in the last 1400 years?

Or the 33 years before that ?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 16 Nov 2012 19:50

I really don't understand why the injustices are going after the army. Don't tell me they are trying to save democracy...There has to be somethin else....after all when it comes to fanatic barbaric animalism and support for jehadi terrorism, the judiciary ids no slouch....

Suspect some businesses deal gone sour or marking territory ahead of some planned mega event

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 16 Nov 2012 19:56

Bilawal Bhutto is a poor substitute because he cannot speak Urdu properly and Mr Zardari is keen to protect him from the heat and dust of battle before he is ready for it.

After all Sunroofs are there to protect from heat and dust...

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Nov 2012 19:57

shiv wrote:
RamaY wrote:^ And they clog the toilets with the paper towels. Morons... I wonder they sit down while peeing in a western urinals....
er have you checked what's in the waste bin?

Since you live in India without toilets it doesnt matter to you sir. In places like massa, where you cannot be indian, you will be forced to see the Pakistaniyat. You don't need to search for Islam, it shows itself on your face.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 16 Nov 2012 20:03

SSridhar wrote: Or the 33 years before that ?

You mean 2 years?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 16 Nov 2012 20:06

^^ This is CJ vs the army. CJ Chaudhary is one hell of an ambitious guy. I guess he wanted to be the president of pakistan. This guys is practically ruling pakistani judiciary since 2005.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Nov 2012 20:10

abhijitm wrote:^^ This is CJ vs the army. CJ Chaudhary is one hell of an ambitious guy. I guess he wanted to be the president of pakistan. This guys is practically ruling pakistani judiciary since 2005.

If CJ is taking on the Army he is a fool, I doubt it. Power flows in TSP from the gun and guys with best and biggest guns are faujis. That is the behaviour in a nation full of bullies

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 16 Nov 2012 20:11

SSridhar wrote:Sense of hurt due to 26/11 'not yet over': India
...

Just a "sense of hurt", huh?

The terrorists supported by the pakistani army killed more than a hundred people in the financial capital of the country, and four years down the line, our government just has a "sense of hurt" from that episode??

All they are ~~looking~~ begging for is some sort of fig leaf from pakistan, which MMS can use as a cover to visit Pakistan. And probably announce something grand and try for a nobel peace prize now that elections in India are a little more than a year away

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 Nov 2012 20:19