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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 10:36
by member_23858
Dus Percenti doing his 10% for returning to Slum-abad.

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From the farticle:
President Zardari said that the PPP government had proved that only democracy was a panacea to all problems and the people were conscious, who could not be betrayed through any drama.

Paying glowing tribute to Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the President said that today the entire world acknowledged the philosophy of Quaid-e-Awam, who empowered the downtrodden segments of the society and gave the country a unanimous 1973 Constitution.

He said that he preferred to write history instead of remaining mere in media headlines
What philosophy? Eating grass to power Nuclear Atim bum?
Havent Pakis re-written their entire history?
I hope they dont qadri-fy dus percenti for calling Democracy as Pana-'shia' for Bakis' problem.
BTW, how many Quaid's do these looneys have?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 11:07
by Aditya_V
But Zardari declaring himself Wajib UL Kutlet by honoring "ZULFIKAR" "ALI" Bhutto. Woundnt that be dangerous.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 14:19
by anupmisra
Bhoo-Chaal. 5.9 magnitude earthquake hits parts of Pak-e-satan
Some people were reportedly injured in KPK. People came out of their houses reciting verses from the Holy Quran.
No damage was reported because there is nothing there to damage. But, why the Koran? Don't the pakis realize by now that allah does not insha anymore?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 14:28
by anupmisra
Musharraf fields woman candidate to ‘wrestle’ Nawaz
It can't get "weirder" than this. I am not making this up.
The lady candidate is no ordinary woman but is the grand-daughter of famous subcontinent wrestler Gama Pehlwan, daughter of Bhola Pehlwan and wife of Jhara Pehlwan. Belonging to a dynasty of famous wrestlers, Bano is set to give Sharif a good run for his money in the May 11 polls.
Next up: 80-year old candidate from lawhore's famous red-light district (heera mandi) to contest against dus percenti because the country has been f****d over many times anyway.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 14:33
by SSridhar
anupmisra wrote:But, why the Koran? Don't the pakis realize by now that allah does not insha anymore?
anupmisra, I have always felt that Alla'h, the Most Merciful and the Most Beneficient, never bestowed any insha or mercy or benefit upon Pakistan from the day of its unfortunate inception. I am convinced that He, in His infinite wisdom, never recognized this bunch of people as worthy of any consideration at all.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 17:14
by jrjrao
More garbage (of the usual variety) by Michael Krepon in the NY Times today.

What is the recommended therapy for such idiots? Put them in a cage with a rabid dog, and then subject them to incessant audio recordings that exhort them nonstop to make grand, Gorbachev like, unilateral gestures to improve relations with that animal.

Nuclear Race on the Subcontinent
An Aesopian nuclear competition is under way between Pakistan and India...

Finding stability in this competition will be difficult...

What might change Pakistan’s calculation that more nuclear weapons equates to more security? One way is for New Delhi to take dramatic steps to improve relations and to “take away the enemy image,” similar to what Mikhail Gorbachev accomplished when he was leader of the Soviet Union in his dealings with the United States.

...(but) Even modest progress can be stopped short by another mass-casualty attack on Indian soil designed to disrupt improved ties. :((
Note the entirely anodyne, "let-us-not-name-any-villains" language to describe mass-casualty attacks on Indian soil.

Just like:
Even modest progress can be stopped short by another failed monsoon on Indian soil designed to disrupt improved ties.

Even modest progress can be stopped short by another bad earthquake on Indian soil designed to disrupt improved ties.

Even modest progress can be stopped short by another mean Tsunami on Indian soil designed to disrupt improved ties.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 17:16
by jrjrao
More from the NY Times today:

Pakistan’s Precipitous Decline
By WILLIAM MILAM
How can a state continue to muddle through when it has lost the fundamental requisite of a state, its monopoly on the use and definition of legitimate violence? How much longer before Pakistanis conclude that the basic protection their state is supposed to provide its citizens — of life and property — is absent.

The feeling comes that the inflection point of the “muddle through” curve is being reached, that in effect, the too-large glass we should look through has now filled to overflowing with problems that Pakistan cannot handle — a weak state under attack from the monsters it created, with mostly dysfunctional political and economic institutions, going in a vicious circle, and showing no promise or hope of transformation. The West, as well as Pakistan’s regional neighbors, should be thinking about the political and strategic implications of an accelerated decline toward state failure in this key, nuclear-armed country.

William Milam is a former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan and a scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 18:24
by Yogi_G
^^& if the people who are at the receiving end are Hindus then the term "minorities" is used by the west. In India, if the Muslims get the stick then the word "Muslim" is specifically used in reporting.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 18:58
by AbhiJ
The West is soon going in Allah's pit like Pakis went earlier. Hence, the affinity.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 19:22
by RSoami
Pak men object to beardless Shahbaz Sharif's candidature
http://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asi ... 39676.html

China, Russia and Pak hold meeting over Afghanistan.
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/chi ... 39736.html

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 20:17
by chetak
How do we always manage to breed such an utterly hopeless, clueless and disloyal bunch of fakers??

Is it some civilization fault??




CBI drops proposal to honour Pak national, 1st chief of forerunner outfit

In the wake of opposition from certain corners, the CBI has shelved its proposal to posthumously honour a Pakistani national who was first chief of Special Police Establishment (SPE), the predecessor of CBI, on the occasion of its golden jubilee celebrations.

The agency was planning to call the Lahore-based family of Khan Bahadur Qurban Ali Khan, an officer of Punjab cadre from the erstwhile Indian Police (IP), who was the first Chief of Special Police Establishment (SPE) which later became CBI in 1963.

Khan, who was also stated to be one of the founding members of Pakistan’s spy agency ISI, was among a host of former Directors of the country’s premier probe agency who were to be honoured on April six in New Delhi on the occasion of CBI’s golden jubilee celebrations, official sources said on Thursday. ISI was formed in 1950.

CBI had even approached the External Affairs and Home Ministries for making necessary arrangements and requisite travel documents for the Khan family to visit Delhi.

However, some former bureaucrats voiced reservations on Khan’s role before partition and immediately after 1947 prompting the agency to shelve the proposal, the sources said.

SPE, which was set up in 1941 by the British Government, was designated to investigate cases of bribery and corruption in transactions with the War and Supply Department of India, which was set up during the course of World War II, with Lahore in undivided India as its headquarters.

Khan, who was the Superintendent of War Department, was made the Chief Administrator of SPE.

Even after the end of the War, the need for a central agency to investigate cases of bribery and corruption by Central Government employees was felt.

The Delhi Special Police Establishment Act was, therefore, brought into force in 1946 and Khan continued to head this department till partition after which he migrated to Pakistan and was appointed as Inspector General of one of the province of North West Frontier Province (NWFP), now known as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Khan had also become Governor of NWFP from 1954-55. He retired as Inspector General of Police in 1953
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 21:13
by shiv
chetak wrote:How do we always manage to breed such an utterly hopeless, clueless and disloyal bunch of fakers??

Is it some civilization fault??
Education fault. Think of what they would have learned in history.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 21:24
by Gagan
AoA,
But is this the Grid station Before or After improvement by the Talibs in Piss-a-war?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 21:55
by Anujan
Remember Ayaz Amir? Apparently the election commission rejected his papers for "writing against the ideology of Pakistan" AoA!!

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 22:16
by Rudradev
jrjrao wrote:More from the NY Times today:

Pakistan’s Precipitous Decline
By WILLIAM MILAM
How can a state continue to muddle through when it has lost the fundamental requisite of a state, its monopoly on the use and definition of legitimate violence? How much longer before Pakistanis conclude that the basic protection their state is supposed to provide its citizens — of life and property — is absent.

The feeling comes that the inflection point of the “muddle through” curve is being reached, that in effect, the too-large glass we should look through has now filled to overflowing with problems that Pakistan cannot handle — a weak state under attack from the monsters it created, with mostly dysfunctional political and economic institutions, going in a vicious circle, and showing no promise or hope of transformation. The West, as well as Pakistan’s regional neighbors, should be thinking about the political and strategic implications of an accelerated decline toward state failure in this key, nuclear-armed country.

William Milam is a former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan and a scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center.

Milam is an inveterate spewer of Paki propaganda, and the sugar-daddy of 1971 holocaust-denying Harvard "Academic", Sarmila Bose. Bose relied heavily on Milam's input when writing her apologist screed "Dead Reckoning", where she absolves the Paki Army of any massacres in Bangladesh, claiming that the figure of "3 million dead" is Indian propaganda and that the real toll was only some 20,000.

There was an email chain wherein several people called out the lies of Sarmila Bose and demanded evidence for her claims. She obviously forwarded this email chain to William Milam for advice on how to deal with the heat. Milam replied to her "just ignore them, they are Hindutva fascists" etc. ... but he accidentally pressed "Reply All" and revealed his hidden white hand to everybody on the email chain!

I remember that email chain was posted on Bharat Rakshak some years ago. It would be great if JR^2 or anyone else could find a link to it.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 22:29
by Agnimitra
^^ What a rascal. The one thing in his farticle that he keeps harping on is the Briturd "Sir Hilary's" metaphor of "a glass too large". If these (be)knighted diplomats could get past their pompous metaphors, they would be able to straight talk the fact that Pakistan is not a real organism as part of its natural ecosystem. It is an artificial construct held together by external mafia-political nexus and meant to be a chaotic foil to its natural stem - India.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 04 Apr 2013 23:53
by akashganga
Rudradev wrote:
Milam is an inveterate spewer of Paki propaganda, and the sugar-daddy of 1971 holocaust-denying Harvard "Academic", Sarmila Bose. Bose relied heavily on Milam's input when writing her apologist screed "Dead Reckoning", where she absolves the Paki Army of any massacres in Bangladesh, claiming that the figure of "3 million dead" is Indian propaganda and that the real toll was only some 20,000.

There was an email chain wherein several people called out the lies of Sarmila Bose and demanded evidence for her claims. She obviously forwarded this email chain to William Milam for advice on how to deal with the heat. Milam replied to her "just ignore them, they are Hindutva fascists" etc. ... but he accidentally pressed "Reply All" and revealed his hidden white hand to everybody on the email chain!

I remember that email chain was posted on Bharat Rakshak some years ago. It would be great if JR^2 or anyone else could find a link to it.
Muslims denying massacre of muslims by muslims. That is to be expected. Right from the time first arab muslim set foot in the indian subcontinent more than 1000 years ago, according to estimates 80 million hindus have been put to death. Muslims will never acknowledge that. Muslims never apologize for any violence they have committed but expect kafirs to apologise for small things. They want kafirs to apologise for not converting to islam and continuing to practice kafir religion.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 00:04
by saip
Anujan wrote:Remember Ayaz Amir? Apparently the election commission rejected his papers for "writing against the ideology of Pakistan" AoA!!

Here is the link

Link

But what the heck is Paki Ideology? Isn't there a rule about how to take a leak and Zia got rid of urinals in Pak because of people not following that ideology?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 00:48
by Prem
saip wrote:
Anujan wrote:Remember Ayaz Amir? Apparently the election commission rejected his papers for "writing against the ideology of Pakistan" AoA!!
But what the heck is Paki Ideology? Isn't there a rule about how to take a leak and Zia got rid of urinals in Pak because of people not following that ideology?
Paki ideology is to be AAA certified Poaqdogtail. (AAA=America, Arab, Afghan )

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 00:54
by svinayak
Jhujar wrote: Remember Ayaz Amir? Apparently the election commission rejected his papers for "writing against the ideology of Pakistan" AoA!!
But what the heck is Paki Ideology? Isn't there a rule about how to take a leak and Zia got rid of urinals in Pak because of people not following that ideology?
Paki ideology is to be AAA certified Poaqdogtail. (AAA=America, Arab, Afghan )
Any thing anti India, anti Hindus, anti Kafr

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 01:01
by Prem
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... alse-myths
Za Farr Hila ley
Of distant dreams and false myths
(Inbred is laying ground work for next terrorist attack)
After one especially pointless session in 1975, I remarked to one of my Indian counterparts, a splendid fellow, how give or take superficial variations, Indians and Pakistanis believe the incredible when it suits them; hold settled passionate opinions when there is no ground for judgement and believe in the future in spite of the past. Words (and promises) mean whatever we want them to mean. Even the record of the meetings reflected not what was actually said but what, after careful and belated reflection, each side thought should have been said. That matters should have reached such a pass, I concluded, was testament to the fact that we had something else in common – idiocy. In fact, India-Pakistan relations are a victim of myths. The most common one ascribes their endemic hostility to the mutual hatred of the Muslim and the Hindu.
In India today, the ‘hate Pakistan’ TV channels are making a fortune dishing out tripe about Pakistan. Lest they appear dovish, Indian political parties are following suit. It’s scarcely a coincidence, with elections in the offing in India, that Modi of Gujarat, is being tipped as the next prime minister. Or that the embattled Congress government – desperate to garner broader public support – is making a song and dance of the discovery of a beheaded Indian soldier on the LoC and the resolution of Pakistan’s parliament condemning Afzal Guru’s hanging. Thus far India has displayed its ire at the LoC incident by scrapping the Pak-India dialogue meetings; suspending/delaying implementation of the visa accord; cancelling sports and cultural events, etc. The worry is that India may go further and – following a false (staged) flag operation or an actual terrorist attack – blame Pakistan and bring the situation to a boil believing that Pakistan is in no position to respond. We know many in India feel right now is a great opportunity to take advantage of the mess Pakistan has become and strike a decisive blow against Pakistan.For those who may feel I am being needlessly alarmist, the fact is the military here is genuinely concerned that a lot of the weaponry India is acquiring (worth $100 billion over five years) as part of its massive rearmament plans is Pakistan-specific. So too is India’s support of the erratic Pakphobe Hamid Karzai, and Delhi’s offer of open-ended military cooperation with his regime. It is alleged that India is stoking the embers of revolt in Balochistan; perhaps even arming and financing TTP bandits and using the powerful Indian lobby in the US to sow further discord and widen the Pak-US divide.Those who think that Pakistan’s foreign policy goals and strategic objectives are shifting away from being India-centric because of changing geopolitical realities, our economic needs and the power transitions in the international system, should think again.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 01:06
by svinayak
Or that the embattled Congress government – desperate to garner broader public support – is making a song and dance of the discovery of a beheaded Indian soldier on the LoC and the resolution of Pakistan’s parliament condemning Afzal Guru’s hanging.

These are external attack on Indian nation Indian people and Indian culture. Foreigners have no say inside India.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 01:27
by Prem
But Paki think they are still being part of India with separate El ecto-rade. Congress says the same. Typical example of DIE_PIE ( Paki Inbred Elites) Bhai Bhai mythmaking.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 01:35
by svinayak
When they read the Indian news paper/TV and see Indian bollywood and Indian photos they still think that they are part of country India and they think that they can comment and enjoy the show at the same time.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 01:52
by member_23858
Jhujar wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... alse-myths
Za Farr Hila ley
Of distant dreams and false myths
(Inbred is laying ground work for next terrorist attack)
Isnt Hila-ley the ISI stooge with ISI's Hand so far up his musharraf that we can actually see his mouth prodded open by ISIs fingers?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 03:35
by sadhana
via @rezhasan

http://www.propublica.org/article/terro ... -brightest
Sebastian Rotella
Imagine a terrorist group that recruits tens of thousands of young men from the same neighborhoods and social networks as the Pakistani military. A group whose well-educated recruits defy the idea that poverty and ignorance breed extremism. A group whose fighters include relatives of a politician, a senior Army officer and a director of Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission.

That is the disconcerting reality of Lashkar-e-Taiba, one of the world's most dangerous militant organizations, according to a study released today by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, N.Y. The report helps explain why Pakistan has resisted international pressure to crack down on Lashkar after it killed 166 people in Mumbai — six U.S. citizens included — and came close to sparking conflict between nuclear-armed Pakistan and India.

The findings, which draw on 917 biographies of Lashkar fighters killed in combat, illuminate "Lashkar's integration into Pakistani society, how embedded they are," said co-author Don Rassler, the director of a research program at the center that studies primary source materials. "They have become an institution."
The group's vast training camps have churned out fighters at an alarming rate. The study gives an estimate of between 100,000 and 300,000 total trainees. By comparison, a U.S. counterterror official told ProPublica he has seen figures as high as 200,000, though he put the number in the tens of thousands.

Most recruits examined in the study joined at about age 17 and died at about 21, generally in India or Afghanistan. Their backgrounds contradict "a lingering belief in the policy community that Islamist terrorists are the product of low or no education or are produced in Pakistan's madrassas," the report says.
In fact, the fighters had higher levels of secular education compared to the generally low average for Pakistani men, the report says. Relatively few studied at religious schools known as madrasas. They joined Lashkar — which spews anti-Western, anti-Semitic and anti-Indian rhetoric — because they wanted more meaningful lives, admired its anticorruption image and felt an obligation to help fellow Muslims, the study says.

"These are some of Pakistan's best and brightest and they are not being used in the labor market, they are being deployed in the militant market," Fair said. "It's a myth that poverty and madrasas create terrorism, and that we can buy our way out of it with U.S. aid."

The report is here:

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-fight ... -and-death

The Fighters of Lashkar-e-Taiba: Recruitment, Training, Deployment and Death
Apr 04, 2013
Authors: Anirban Ghosh, Arif Jamal, Christine Fair, Don Rassler, Nadia Shoeb

From the martyr biographies, we know the location of the
hometowns of the militants, as well as the districts and provinces in which they resided.
This field is one of the most well‐populated in our dataset, with nearly 70 percent of the
917 biographies’ hometown districts being identified. We are thus able to provide
detailed information on areas that produce large numbers of militants. As illustrated by
Figure 5, our data confirms that most LeT militants are recruited from Pakistan’s Punjab
province. In our data, 89 percent of the militants are from Punjab, with 5 percent from
Sindh, and about 3 percent from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. A smaller number of militants
originate from Azad Kashmir (about 0.5 percent), while Indian Kashmir, Gilgit‐Baltistan
and Baluchistan together produced about 1.1 percent of the militants in our sample
.
Three militants had hometowns in Afghanistan, two came from Saudi Arabia and one
from Europe.
Let us commend the Indian Armed Forces and paramilitaries for the following bolded portion
The mean age when a militant joins LeT is 16.95 years, with the median age being 16.5.35
The youngest recruit in our data joined at the age of 11.5, while the oldest recruit was
30. Ninety percent of the militants joined LeT before they were 22 years old. The mean
age of a new LeT enlistee corresponds to the age Pakistani students typically are about
to finish their matric program (tenth grade).36
Militants’ mean age at the time of their death in our data is 21 years, while the median
age of death is 20 years.37 The youngest militant whose death is recorded in our data is
14 years, while the oldest is 43 years. These findings are very similar to those found by
one of our authors from a survey she conducted of 141 militant households in
Pakistan.38
While our data sample is limited to only those fighters who died and whose death was
highlighted by LeT, our data appear to show that militants do not live long after they
have been recruited by the group. In our sample, the mean number of years between an
LeT militant’s entry and death is 5.14 years, and the median is 4.0 years.


Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 05:04
by ramana
Unless they work for US, in which case they get a plea bargain to live beyond the LeT camp graduates early mortality rates at US taxpayer expense.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 05:10
by ramana
sadhana, Early on BRF had concluded that LeT was Pakjabi outfit to spread terrorism in non J&K areas and the world based on names of the dead in early 2000s.

There is something odd in the study. If the average life after graduation is 5-6 years and most die in India and Afghanistan, the local stats should match those numbers. And with 200,000 graduates it would mean very high mortality!

IOW the real numbers of graduates is much less and closer to the tens of thousands that was mentioned.

Otehrwise its conscription program for terrorists, just as in advanced countries which have draft for the military.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 06:20
by sadhana
ramana wrote:
There is something odd in the study. If the average life after graduation is 5-6 years and most die in India and Afghanistan, the local stats should match those numbers. And with 200,000 graduates it would mean very high mortality!

IOW the real numbers of graduates is much less and closer to the tens of thousands that was mentioned.

Otehrwise its conscription program for terrorists, just as in advanced countries which have draft for the military.
Yes good point. Perhaps 200,000 graduates is not == those who went to fight(militants).
as noted above, there is no way of knowing how representative these militants
are relative to all of LeT’s cadres. Our review of the biographies reveals that, in many
cases, the fighters described here had to consistently lobby the organization for
additional training and for eventual deployment. Clearly not everyone recruited by LeT
ends up fighting in theatre (i.e. in a conflict zone like Indian Kashmir). It is therefore not
possible to say how representative our fighters are relative to all of LeT’s cadres,
especially those fighters who did not die, and we cannot say anything about how they
compare with the entire pool of persons who wanted to join LeT but who were not
selected or deployed by the organization.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 06:41
by shiv
sadhana wrote:

The report is here:

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-fight ... -and-death

Thanks for the link. This is the second such report I am seeing - a follow on from an earlier report that I had used in my e book
PROFILE OF A MILITANT:
Based on the statistics
available the average life span of a militant / mercenary
does not exceed 20 months from the time he returns to J&K
to participate in the so called Jihad. A period in which
he is a fugitive, moving from one hide to another, trying
to avoid contact with the security forces
http://<dead link>www.armyinkashmir.org/articles/profile.html

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 07:20
by Anujan
^^^
:rotfl:

Talk about getting one's 72 pronto. Someone should organize the families/friends of these cretins and make them protest in front of these organizations asking for better compensation.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 07:32
by shiv
From this link
sadhana wrote: The report is here:
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-fight ... -and-death
The Pakistan government insists that Pakistanis are not engaging in acts of terrorism in
India or elsewhere; rather, the government claims that it is only providing diplomatic
and moral support to the indigenous mujahidin fighting in India.23 While few entertain
these claims as credible, our database indicates that this claim is false. First, the vast
majority of LeT fighters are Pakistani and most are Punjabi, not Kashmiri. It is
noteworthy that there is considerable overlap among the districts that produce LeT
militants and those that produce Pakistan army officers, a dynamic that raises a number
of questions about potentially overlapping social networks between the army and LeT.24
While certainly not the norm, at least eighteen biographies in our data set describe
connections between LeT fighters and immediate family members (i.e., fathers or
brothers) who were currently serving or had served in Pakistan’s army or air force. In
several of these cases, the militant’s father had fought with the Pakistani army in the
1965 war in Kashmir (the Second Kashmir War) and/or during the conflict in 1971 over
the status of then East Pakistan (since known as Bangladesh).25 In one case a militant’s
father was described as a senior officer in the Pakistani army.26

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 07:43
by shiv
Again from Sadhana's link
our data confirms that most LeT militants are recruited from Pakistan’s Punjab
province. In our data, 89 percent of the militants are from Punjab, with 5 percent from
Sindh, and about 3 percent from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. A smaller number of militants
originate from Azad Kashmir (about 0.5 percent), while Indian Kashmir, Gilgit‐Baltistan
and Baluchistan together produced about 1.1 percent of the militants in our sample.
Three militants had hometowns in Afghanistan, two came from Saudi Arabia and one
from Europe.75

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 07:46
by arun
saip wrote:
Anujan wrote:Remember Ayaz Amir? Apparently the election commission rejected his papers for "writing against the ideology of Pakistan" AoA!!
Here is the link

Link

But what the heck is Paki Ideology? Isn't there a rule about how to take a leak and Zia got rid of urinals in Pak because of people not following that ideology?
It is all about ramming home Mohammadden supremacist ideology by insisting on appropriate degree of purity and piety as evident from this earlier post on the previous page regards acceptable specs for electoral candidates in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:
arun wrote:A demonstration of the supremacist instincts of a society that adheres to the Mohammadden religion.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan there is no such thing as a “secular” parliamentarian. Each and every parliamentarian has the constitutional obligation to accept the primacy of Mohammadden ideology:
Opponents of Islamic ideology face election ban

Ansar Abbasi
Thursday, April 04, 2013
From Print Edition


ISLAMABAD: A considerable number of former members of the parliament, senior politicians and lawyers etc, who openly negate and oppose the Islamic ideology of Pakistan, are vulnerable to be declared unfit to contest the upcoming polls.

It is not only the article 62 of the constitution but the nomination paper of the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) that bounds every aspirant of the parliament and provincial assemblies to respect, protect and preserve the Islamic ideology.

The constitution and the nomination paper make it clear that the Islamic ideology has been the very basis for the creation of Pakistan. According to article 62(g) a person is not qualified to become member of the parliament/provincial assembly if “he has not, after the establishment of Pakistan, worked against the integrity of the country or opposed the ideology of Pakistan”.

The nomination paper seeks from every candidate to solemnly swear that: “I will be faithful to the declaration made by the Founder of Pakistan Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah that Pakistan would be a democratic state based on Islamic principles of social justice. I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan and uphold the sovereignty and integrity of Pakistan and that I will strive to preserve the Islamic ideology which is the basis for the creation of Pakistan.”

Although in the past those negating the Islamic ideology of Pakistan have been penetrating into the parliament, now any voter could challenge the qualification of any candidate who is known or have publicly made any statement against the Islamic ideology of Pakistan. …………………………

The News

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 07:49
by Gagan
Don't know about the numbers that LET trains, but consider this.
These guys have a layered training program (borrowed of-course from the Pak Fauj's training methods - since the trainers are the JCOs from Pak Fauj)
The Daura-e-aam: (General course): is where the abduls are just made to read quran and shout AoA, say 'kill all kafirs', plenty of early morning PT-Parade etc etc.
If you have been judged to be:
1. Motivated
2. Intelligent
3. Not too intelligent (MoFo will run away at the first sign of trouble, will be a pain to indoctrinate etc etc),
you are selected for the next level - Daura-e-khas (Special Program)
After this, these abduls can be pushed across the LOC into J&K before snowfall closes the passes. The average life span of 80% of these is one season in the Kashmir valley. Once the snowfall closes the passes and therefore the escape route back to POK, the IA kills these guys one by one.

The further next level (Name escapes me): Applying similar set of criteria, the cream of these abduls are screened for the next level - soosai mission, like the 26/11 attacks, or attacking some Indian army installation in J&K or a US / NATO outpost in Afghanistan.

Now the average Pakistani abdul from Punjab / south punjab is more likely to be
1. malnourished,
2. of moderate - low intelligence,
3. Physically unfit (Underwieght, physically deformed etc etc),
4. Have mental / physical retardation issues due to malnourihment, inbreeding.

I would assume that the abduls who complete the daura-e-aam are very high in number, and these guys then are part of JUD. Then these guys can man JUD offices and go door to door to demand Zakat etc for the LET (Funds / animal skins ) they will also recruit other abduls.

I think that the LET part begins once these get into the daura-e-khaas. They might still be JUD until they are in daura-e-aam.
One more thing. These abduls form a common pool of jihadis. They might be involved in a LEJ attack inside pakistan to kill munafiqs one week, and the next week the same abdul will be going door to door to demand zakat, and then during summer, the abdul might be shifted to the Kashmir valley where he will meet his 72.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 08:32
by Anujan
Why isnt the election commission of Pakistan doing a mijjile check to determine the piety of contestants? I demand that a photograph proof be submitted.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 08:36
by Gagan
^^^
Amazing !
They missed the most important, time tested and fool-proof test of all.
I suspect that the Election Commission of Islamic republic of Pakistan is not Islamic enough.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 08:39
by Gagan
Err,
Under the mijjile checking guidelines, how will they check the piety of the wimmen applicants?
Though I suspect that some applicants in the wimmen category will pass the mijjile test with flying colors.
Two such candidates immediately come to mind hain ji.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 08:40
by arun
The guardians of the election process in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are certainly turning the forthcoming election into quite a circus :lol: .

Former Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat joins Ayaz Amir and is barred from standing for election:

Ayaz Amir’s articles run afoul of Articles 62, 63

Possibility of yet more entertainment in the offing with disqualification of the Sharif brothers sought:

Seeking Disqualification: Nominations of Sharifs challenged

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

Posted: 05 Apr 2013 09:05
by Anujan
Though to be fair, Ayaz Amir's disqualification is probably justified. Pakistan constitution article 63(a) says:
A person shall be disqualified from being elected or chosen as, and from being, a member of the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament), if:-
(a) he is of unsound mind