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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 04 Jun 2015 22:22
by A_Gupta
shiv wrote: What always struck me (although this is changing now) is that the self esteem has been battered out of Indians in general and Hindus in particular.They (we) never say that we are the best in anything and cheerfully claim that we are the worst. This is not just about BRF (which is very positive), but Indians in general.
Hindus claim to be most tolerant, including of their own faults.
Hindus tolerate Hindus blaming Hindu tolerance for Hindu failures & defeats.
:rotfl:

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 04 Jun 2015 22:48
by Prem
Pakistan to launch state of art satellite in space
Osamabad: Pakistan has decided to send another state of the art satellite into space to fortify its gubo position (GPS= Gubo Positional Sir-vices) in space and a sum of Rs. 7 billion has been allocated in the budget 2015-16 for this program.Pakistan is likely to be able to launch the new satellite in the space by the end of 2018. Headquarter of this satellite program will be set up in Lahore. Work will also be initiated for establishment of satellite station under SUARCO. The new project will be started in the upcoming financial year 2015-16.The neighboring countries China and India outnumber Pakistan in the quantity of satellites held by them and they are reaping enormous economic and defense benefits from them. On the other hand Pakistan had launched one satellite in space earlier. The launching of the new satellite will usher in new revolution in the domain of communication in Pakistan besides bolstering country’s potential for satellite monitoring and achieving defense targets. This program will also help in ensuring equitable distribution of water among four provinces under 1991 water apportionment accord.The sources said this objective will be achieved within three years and more 14 billion rupees will be earmarked for this project in the federal budget of next two fiscal years

Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 00:19
by Peregrine

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 00:22
by Prem
Listen to this Ahmadi pretending to be true Musalman
[youtube]rqBx0mvGRqM?t=335[/youtube]

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 08:06
by Gagan
Really is Shahid Masood an Ahmedi?
I thought Haz-Rat Jahil Ham-IED was one...

But about Shahid Masood,
he started off, by being in open admiration of NaMo, dedicating entire programs to Modi's policies, furrien travels, development of Gujarat and praising him to no end. His awe with NaMo was very visible.
At the same time he was earning his sawab by running down Badmash Sharif while doing this.

All of a sudden his tune changed, I suspect two things happened...
1. He got a cold shoulder from India - maybe he wanted to get a Vija or interview Modi and got denied
2. ISI / ISPR musta sent someone to do a midnight knock on his darwaja.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 08:13
by Gagan
Khabar hai that the Pakistanis may be supping with Rohigyas /NE terrorist groups in Myanmar.
Will perhaps have to watch for some Paki connection to the manipur attack on the army convoy.

I think it is more than a co-incidence that a Paki neta mentioned a few weeks ago, that there were missiles in manipur. (He was trying to counter the indian anchor's statement that the TTP has tested a missile)
I think that paki neta had heard something from the ISI - neta grapewine there about some ISI cell which was in contact with some Manipuri groups.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 08:28
by Tuvaluan
If Pakis have infiltrated into NE, then they must be operating out of Bangladesh -- chances of that are not very high given the current AL regime in charge. Nepal is ruled out because transporting such items requires an ocean front and cannot be done in a landlocked country. chances are higher that it is the chinese who are responsible for any weapons proliferation in the NE. Pakis are responsible for the khalisthani chaos in J&K, and the Chinese seem to be creating trouble in the NE.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 09:31
by johneeG
Gagan wrote:Khabar hai that the Pakistanis may be supping with Rohigyas /NE terrorist groups in Myanmar.
Will perhaps have to watch for some Paki connection to the manipur attack on the army convoy.

I think it is more than a co-incidence that a Paki neta mentioned a few weeks ago, that there were missiles in manipur. (He was trying to counter the indian anchor's statement that the TTP has tested a missile)
I think that paki neta had heard something from the ISI - neta grapewine there about some ISI cell which was in contact with some Manipuri groups.
When I first heard about the ambush, my gut feel was that this had baki hand in it.
My hunch(Just a hunch):
I think bakis are feeling the doval heat all over baki-land. So, they are trying to fire warning shots to deter doval. Now, one would generally expect bakis to attack civilian targets in cities. But, doval has already warned that if there is a 26/11, then the bakis will lose Balochistan. So, I think bakis are too afraid to do that sort of a thing.

I think Bakis see attacks in north-east or Kashmir on army as less provocative but sending the message to doval. I hope doval finishes off this mess once and for all.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 11:09
by arun
X Posted from the “Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism” thread.

Afghanistan’s Intelligence Agency, National Directorate of Security, reveals that they have arrested two Mohammadden Terrorists with links to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for the attack on the Park Palace Hotel and Guesthouse in Kabul which killed besides others, 4 fellow Indians and was believed to have targeted our man in Afghanistan, Ambassador Amar Sinha, who was to attend a concert at that hotel.

Two with Pakistani terror ties held in Afghan hotel attack that killed 14

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 13:46
by SSridhar
Pakistan rules out sharing nukes with Saudis, anyone else - DAWN
Pakistan ruled out sharing its nuclear weapons with Saudi Arabia, insisting Thursday that the atomic arsenal would continue serving solely for the country's national defence even as world powers and Iran near a possible nuclear agreement.

Closing a wide-ranging trip to Washington, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry angrily rejected speculation that his country could sell or transfer nuclear arms or advanced technology as "unfounded and baseless".

Pakistan has long been among the world's greatest proliferation threats, having shared weapons technology with Iran, Libya and North Korea. And American and other intelligence services have been taking seriously the threat of Saudi Arabia or other Arab countries potentially seeking the Muslim country's help in matching Iran's nuclear capabilities, even if the US says there is no evidence of such action right now.

"Pakistan is not talking to Saudi Arabia on nuclear issues, period," Chaudhry insisted. The arsenal, believed to be in excess of 100 weapons, is focused only on Pakistan's threat perception from "the East" Chaudhry said, a clear reference to long-standing rival and fellow nuclear power India.

Chaudhry said his country has significantly cracked down in recent years on proliferation, improving its export controls and providing UN nuclear monitors with all necessary information. Pakistan also won't allow any weapons to reach terrorists, he said.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 17:30
by ArmenT
From the BBC:
Eight out of 10 Malala suspects 'secretly acquitted'
Eight of the 10 men reportedly jailed for the attempted assassination of Pakistani schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai were acquitted, it has emerged.
In April, officials in Pakistan said that 10 Taliban fighters had been found guilty and received 25-year jail terms.
But sources have now confirmed to the BBC that only two of the men who stood trial were convicted.
The secrecy surrounding the trial, which was held behind closed doors, raised suspicions over its validity.
The court judgement - seen for the first time on Friday more than a month after the trial - claims that the two men convicted were those who shot Ms Yousafzai in 2012.
It was previously thought that both the gunmen and the man who ordered the attack had fled to Afghanistan.
...
...
Secret trial
The trial was held at a military facility rather than a court and was shrouded in secrecy, a Pakistani security source told the BBC. Anti-terrorism trials in Pakistan are not open to the public.
Pakistani authorities did not make the judgement available at any stage, nor did they correct the reports over the past two months that 10 men had been convicted.
The announcement of the convictions in April took many by surprise. No journalists had been made aware that the trial was taking place.
The authorities did not say when and where the men had been arrested or how they were linked to the attack, or explain the charges against them.
...

Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 17:57
by Peregrine
ArmenT wrote:From the BBC:
Eight out of 10 Malala suspects 'secretly acquitted'
Eight of the 10 men reportedly jailed for the attempted assassination of Pakistani schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai were acquitted, it has emerged.
In April, officials in Pakistan said that 10 Taliban fighters had been found guilty and received 25-year jail terms.
But sources have now confirmed to the BBC that only two of the men who stood trial were convicted.
The secrecy surrounding the trial, which was held behind closed doors, raised suspicions over its validity.
The court judgement - seen for the first time on Friday more than a month after the trial - claims that the two men convicted were those who shot Ms Yousafzai in 2012.
It was previously thought that both the gunmen and the man who ordered the attack had fled to Afghanistan.
...
...
Secret trial
The trial was held at a military facility rather than a court and was shrouded in secrecy, a Pakistani security source told the BBC. Anti-terrorism trials in Pakistan are not open to the public.
Pakistani authorities did not make the judgement available at any stage, nor did they correct the reports over the past two months that 10 men had been convicted.
The announcement of the convictions in April took many by surprise. No journalists had been made aware that the trial was taking place.
The authorities did not say when and where the men had been arrested or how they were linked to the attack, or explain the charges against them.
...
ArmenT Ji :

Final Proof Positive that the Cwapistani Army are the Taliban in Uniform and the Taliban are the Cwapistani Army in Civvies!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 18:13
by Tuvaluan
Kinda hilarious how the liberal numbnuts and US think tanks and European governments and think tanks have been making a big show of giving a lot of awards to Malala and pretending that she is the second coming of the Joan of Arc or whoever their symbol for female courage is these days, possibly Caitlyn Jenner. They were doing all this, while they were also funding the people who shot malala to the tune of billions of $/Euros.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 18:14
by rsingh
Gagan wrote:Khabar hai that the Pakistanis may be supping with Rohigyas /NE terrorist groups in Myanmar.
Will perhaps have to watch for some Paki connection to the manipur attack on the army convoy.

I think it is more than a co-incidence that a Paki neta mentioned a few weeks ago, that there were missiles in manipur. (He was trying to counter the indian anchor's statement that the TTP has tested a missile)
I think that paki neta had heard something from the ISI - neta grapewine there about some ISI cell which was in contact with some Manipuri groups.
My line of thinking. But reasonis different. It is to show that Doval Sir did not finish the hostalities. It is to demoralize him. If my thinking is right we will see some fireworks at needful places.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 20:56
by A_Gupta
"Can Pakistan Abandon the Taliban?"
http://thediplomat.com/2015/06/can-paki ... e-taliban/

You can read the article, but the brief answer is no. The repercussions include impact on Pakistan-China and Pakistan-Afghanistan relations.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 21:56
by Falijee
It is an open secret in Pakistan that important foreign ( e.g. India, USA, China, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia) and domestic ( Baluchistan) issues are the exclusivity of the Army and the Deep State . :shock:
As reported some months ago, Nawaz Sharif's decision making role in this area is nil. He has been compared to a Deputy Commissioner of a major city ( like LaWhore, Slumbad) :D . And in charge of inaugurating the Lahore Metro System or making the rounds of the Pindi tarkari bazaar enquiring with the vendors on the price of piaz and tamatar and the impact of it on the common man. :rotfl:
He is not in the loop on important strategic issues, although, his input may be sought . :shock:
It is also an open secret that the Saudis have been funding the Islami Takat,s nuclear program . As they say, there is no free lunch. Because they live in a tough neighborhood, the (Sunni )Saudis need to counter, the local bully (Shia Iran) nuclear ambitions;who else can they rely on, but their Ummah brother, Pakistan; :x ( with tacit approval of USA, who knows).
Therefore, the Foreign Secretary,s angry denial that his country could sell or transfer nuclear arms,technology, to S.A. should not be believed. :D

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 21:58
by A_Gupta
A_Gupta wrote: As pointed out before, if you believe these figures, the per capita income increased in one year by a factor of 1513/1386 = 1.0916; and the population growing at a conservative 1.9% increased by a factor of 1.019, meaning the GDP increased by a factor of 1.1124%; i.e., Pakistan enjoyed an economic growth rate of 11.24%!
When I pointed this out on AryNews (in simpler language)
http://arynews.tv/en/live-updates-finan ... ey-2014-15
the comment was posted, and then some minutes later it was deleted. :D

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 23:00
by Falijee
Kammundu still being harassed by Badmash! :rotfl:
ISLAMABAD:
Challenging the Sindh High Court (SHC) verdict regarding his disqualification from contesting elections, former military ruler Pervez Musharraf on Thursday requested ordered :D the Supreme Court (SC) that the terms in question used in Article 62(1)(f) (Sadiq and Ameen) should be struck down as being un-implementable, vague, overbroad and ambiguous.

The SHC had questioned Musharraf’s credentials for invoking emergency rule in 2007 :eek: and held that he lacked the qualification to be elected as a legislator. It had observed that Musharraf could not be called ‘Sadiq’ :?: or ‘Ameen’ :?: under the criteria laid down in Articles 62 and 63 of the Constitution. Article 62(1)(f) says: “A person shall not be qualified to be elected or chosen as a member of Majlis-e-Shoora (parliament) unless, if he is sagacious, righteous, non-profligate, honest and Ameen, :roll: there being no declaration to the contrary by a court of law.”


Comment: If this criteria is objectively applied, in the light of the recent AXACT SCANDAL, the Election Commission of Pakistan would find it extremely difficult to fill the so called Majlis-e-Shoora !

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 23:23
by Peregrine
A_Gupta wrote: As pointed out before, if you believe these figures, the per capita income increased in one year by a factor of 1513/1386 = 1.0916; and the population growing at a conservative 1.9% increased by a factor of 1.019, meaning the GDP increased by a factor of 1.1124%; i.e., Pakistan enjoyed an economic growth rate of 11.24%!
A_Gupta wrote:When I pointed this out on AryNews (in simpler language)
http://arynews.tv/en/live-updates-finan ... ey-2014-15
the comment was posted, and then some minutes later it was deleted. :D
A_Gupta Ji :

You missed the following Gem :
Latest reported literacy rate declines from 60% to 58%
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 23:31
by Suraj
So, a satellite that's basically a dabba with a rolled up document inside describing the what the art scene is like in Pakistan today, then ?

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 23:37
by A_Gupta
Peregrine wrote:
You missed the following Gem :
Latest reported literacy rate declines from 60% to 58%
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I posted it on the Economic Stress thread :)

PS: you missed this one:
http://arynews.tv/en/pakistan-sees-a-ri ... in-2014-15
"Pakistan sees a rise by 100,000 in the number of donkeys in 2014-15"

Seems too low.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 23:43
by Peregrine
Facts or fears?

A new US report paints a gloomy picture of ties with Pakistan, putting the blame on Islamabad

For the last few years, authorities in the US and Pakistan have been boasting about a steady improvement in the bilateral relationship. Both sides claimed that they have a better understanding of each other’s working and closely cooperate to keep any mistrust in check. Yet, a periodic report released by Congressional Research Services paints a rather gloomy picture giving the impression that nothing has changed in the past one decade. The report puts the blame on Pakistan.

“As a haven for numerous Islamist extremist and terrorist groups, and with the world’s fastest growing arsenal of nuclear weapons, Pakistan is at the top of many governments’ international security agenda,” the more than 20 pages long report states.

The report adds that successive governments “are widely believed to have tolerated and even supported some of these [terror and militant groups] as proxies” in Islamabad’s historical tensions and conflicts with neighbors.

It highlighted the old rhetoric that the security agencies were willing to make distinctions between “good” and “bad” Islamist extremist groups, maintaining supportive relations with Afghan insurgents and anti-India militant groups operating from Pakistani territory. It also outlines that America’s most wanted enemies are still widely believed to reside in Pakistan, among them Al Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri, Afghan Taliban chief Mullah Omar, and Afghan insurgent Haqqani Network leader Sirajuddin Haqqani.

However, Dr Manzur Ejaz, a seasoned South Asia expert termed the report “extremely biased,” saying that facts on the ground have changed drastically. Pakistan has shunned the dual policy of so-called abetting pro-state groups, as anti-militancy operations throughout the country seem without discrimination.

The CRS report also launched major offensive operations against militant groups sheltered in FATA earlier last year, which “buoyed US officials confidence in Pakistan’s cooperation” with international efforts to stabilize Afghanistan. But it says that only happened after years of US government prodding. Similarly, it claims, that the Secretary of State John Kerry’s visit to Pakistan in January this year actually yielded “a formal ban on the Haqqani Network.”

The APS incident outraged Pakistan which resulted in a crackdown on TTP, but according to the report, experts also believe that the “clearing” phase of military operations have met with successes but the “holding” phase has proven more difficult.

Pakistan expert Bilal Qureshi, who has also worked for a couple of US think tanks in the past, agrees and calls it a weakness on part of the leadership. “Holding phase requires determination and political sustainability, but the volatile areas have been ignored for so long that any change in the system will take time to hold ground,” he said.

Independent analysts say in the report that “so long as Afghan Taliban forces enjoy sanctuary in Quetta and in the FATA, the Afghan insurgency will persist.” They cited the Pentagon’s most recent biennial report to Congress, saying: “Pakistan uses these proxy forces to hedge against the loss of induce in Afghanistan and to counter India’s superior military.”

Manzur Ejaz trashes this claim too. He said there might be a possibility that Afghan Taliban got leeway, but that could be so because the Afghan government wants Pakistan to bring the Afghan Taliban on table. “The US and Afghan government’s must on board as well,” he hinted.

The report called Pakistan-India relations problematic, stating that Pakistan Army was obstructing the efforts of Pakistani business interests, seeking resolution of territorial disputes as a prerequisite. Dr Ejaz said that India’s stance has hardened in the past few months. “Various statements from Indian officials have been more obstructing. Brazen commentary on Pak-China projects are an example of creating unnecessary hurdles in Pak-India process,” he said.

The report also criticized the PML-N government. “Sharif did not demonstrate an ability to exert the civilian government’s control over domestic security.” It quoted a State Department spokesperson saying: “We support the constitutional and electoral process in Pakistan, which produced Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. We do not support any extra-constitutional chafes to that democratic system or people attempting to impose them.”

Dr Ejaz concurs. He said the Sharif government was facing severe governance issues, and lacks will to take any major political or security related decision. He added that the government was least interested in ordering a military operation in North Waziristan, and the army had to take a lead. “It’s their ideological weakness, they might not have ordered any operation if the situation was not so desperate,” he said.

The CRS report expands on Pakistan’s regional issues and its relationship with neighboring countries. However, it hints that the country’s ties with America exist not because of mutual trust. It strongly suggests that the duality continues without any change.

The country specific CRS report is regarded as a document to keep US lawmakers informed about the state of affairs and bilateral relations with other countries. Although its prepared by noted experts, its not an official report of the US Congress.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 05 Jun 2015 23:51
by Tuvaluan
However, Dr Manzur Ejaz, a seasoned South Asia expert termed the report “extremely biased,” saying that facts on the ground have changed drastically. Pakistan has shunned the dual policy of so-called abetting pro-state groups, as anti-militancy operations throughout the country seem without discrimination.
This ISI snake oil salesman has always been a bare-faced liar -- Hafiz Saeed and Lakhiur Rehman Zakhvi are operating in the open in Pakistan and holding public rallies right under the nose of the Paki police and military, and this tool claims "pakistan has shunned the dual policy of supporting pro-state groups". These paki morons must think everyone else on the planet is stupider than they are.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 00:22
by Cosmo_R
I swear Sartaj Aziz is looking more and more like Gollum every day.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 00:26
by Cosmo_R
A_Gupta wrote:
shiv wrote: What always struck me (although this is changing now) is that the self esteem has been battered out of Indians in general and Hindus in particular.They (we) never say that we are the best in anything and cheerfully claim that we are the worst. This is not just about BRF (which is very positive), but Indians in general.
Hindus claim to be most tolerant, including of their own faults.
Hindus tolerate Hindus blaming Hindu tolerance for Hindu failures & defeats.
:rotfl:
Compare that to Muslims who ask us to tolerate their intolerance.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 01:32
by Prem
General Raheel Sharif arrives for 4-day visit to Sri Lanka
ISLAMABAD: Army Chief General Raheel Sharif has arrived in Colombo on a four day official visit to Sri Lanka.He was received at the Bandaranaike International Airport by Sri Lankan Army Chief Lieutenant General A.W.J Crishanthe De Silva., High Commissioner of Pakistan Maj Gen(R) Shakeel Hussain and other senior officials.General Raheel Sharif is making his first official visit to the island nation, on the invitation of his Sri Lankan counterpart Lieutenant General A.W.J. Crishanthe De Silva.He is expected to meet the President of Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka Maithripala Sirisena and Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe.General Sharif will also meet the top leadership of Sri Lanka’s armed forces.The visit of Pakistan’s Army Chief will provide both sides with an opportunity to review ongoing cooperation and collaboration, and discuss ways to further broaden and deepen the relationship.Pakistan and Sri Lanka have comprehensive and mutually beneficial training collaboration for army, navy and air force. A strong bond of commitment and mutual understanding has developed between both nations. Both countries are committed to work closely in all fields to boost cooperation and to promote peace in the region.Earlier General Raheel Sharif had cancelled his visit to Sri Lanka, following the attack on Ismaili community members in Karachi.

Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 02:44
by Peregrine
Pakistan hikes defence budget by 11%
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan government on Friday hiked its defence spending from Rs 700 billion to Rs 780 billion, an 11 per cent increase from the previous fiscal, to meet the military and security needs as it battles Taliban insurgency in the country's northwest.
Finance minister Ishaq Dar presented budget for the fiscal year 2015-16 (FY2015-16), showing a total outlay of Rs 4.313 trillion, which is 9.1 per cent higher than Rs 3.9 trillion of the outgoing fiscal ending on June 30.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 04:53
by Anujan
Do you remember musharraf brag that it took India 30 months to launch a SDRE satellite whereas Pakistan launched a TFTA satellite in one week and one TFTA satellite = 10 SDRE satellites?

http://www.dawn.com/news/79439/satellit ... s-paksat-i
“Pakistan’s space programme is now ahead of India after the formal launching of Paksat-I and this is due to the hard work of our scientists and I am sure Indians would take another 30 months to do the job,” Gen Musharraf claimed.
But then it turned out that the satellite belonged to Huges which had failed, the insurers paid back the money, it was switched off and moved to the slot owned by Pakistan so that they don't lose the slot. :rotfl:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paksat-1

Turned out, all the satellite had done was to downhill ski to Pakistan and was rented baksheesh maal which didn't work. It did look pretty TFTA sitting up there. Unlike its poor SDRE satellite neighbors which actually had to do hard work like orbitting properly and use its transponders and cameras.


Another data point on why if musharrafs lips are moving be is lying. Fellow is a big gas bag and lost every war he fought. He did conquer Pakistan parliament though in a brilliantly planned coup.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 06:04
by SSridhar
Falijee wrote:Kammundu still being harassed by Badmash!
The SHC had questioned Musharraf’s credentials for invoking emergency rule in 2007 and held that he lacked the qualification to be elected as a legislator. It had observed that Musharraf could not be called ‘Sadiq’ or ‘Ameen’ under the criteria laid down in Articles 62 and 63 of the Constitution. Article 62(1)(f) says: “A person shall not be qualified to be elected or chosen as a member of Majlis-e-Shoora (parliament) unless, if he is sagacious, righteous, non-profligate, honest and Ameen, there being no declaration to the contrary by a court of law.”
What is truly troubling for me is that an Army which has the duty of protecting the ideological frontiers of Islam everywhere, an Army that controls the Islamic nukes, once had a Chief who was neither a Sadiq nor Ameen. What an indignity!

PS: BTW, in Arabic, sadiq means friend and Ameen comes from amen. But, in Pakistani Urdu they are taken to mean honest and trusted respectively.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 06:28
by SSridhar
Anujan wrote:But then it turned out that the satellite belonged to Huges which had failed, the insurers paid back the money, it was switched off and moved to the slot owned by Pakistan so that they don't lose the slot.
By that time, c. 2001, Pakistan had already lost 4 out of the 5 slots given to it by the ITU.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 07:21
by CRamS
Guys, I am convinced that TSP is behind all the nonsense and tragedy going on in India: Paki flags in the valley, Khalistani morons creating harakiri in Jammu of all places, and of course that tragic attack on our boys in Manipur. Please note that most of the troops who were killed in that attack were from Jammu and Himachal Pradesh. So there was meticulous planning including choice of targets. Only ISI could have coordinated all this. Interestingly, nobody in the Indian media nor govt has publicly mentioned the Paki angle in any of these gory acts.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 08:12
by shiv
CRamS wrote:Interestingly, nobody in the Indian media nor govt has publicly mentioned the Paki angle in any of these gory acts.
No. That would be a mistake. The right thing to do is to identify and mark the traitors living in India and playing for Pakistan rather than pretending that some djinns/pakis/ISI are playing havoc while locals are bunnies. Pakistan does exactly that to avoid blaming themselves who are the guilty party anyway. That is not necessary in India.

Last October in a school alumni meet a general (an alumnus) gave a talk and pointed out that most of "news" of troubles in Kashmir come from a few districts bordering shitistan. J&K has a much larger area where people and tourists are are thriving which is what gets the knickers of these assholes in a twist

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 08:55
by ArmenT
Pakistani nearly sends two sons to meet their 72.

What is interesting is that after that near miss, he keeps acting as though nothing happened.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 09:21
by habal
Falijee wrote:It is an open secret in Pakistan that important foreign ( e.g. India, USA, China, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia) and domestic ( Baluchistan) issues are the exclusivity of the Army and the Deep State . :shock:
As reported some months ago, Nawaz Sharif's decision making role in this area is nil. He has been compared to a Deputy Commissioner of a major city ( like LaWhore, Slumbad) :D . And in charge of inaugurating the Lahore Metro System or making the rounds of the Pindi tarkari bazaar enquiring with the vendors on the price of piaz and tamatar and the impact of it on the common man. :rotfl:
He is not in the loop on important strategic issues, although, his input may be sought . :shock:
you are correct on all counts but there are interesting caveat.

the prime minister of pakistan has the honor of selecting who amongst the eligible lt. general's will be the next army chief. He can bypass seniority and he can do as he pleases. Basically he can select his next lord. It has always been the case even as per revised constitution. Does this happen in any other mulk ? fascinating country this pakistan is. Why does such a capable military mashallah need a damn civvie to elect their leader hain ?

military does not harass state govts or the lahori govt oops central govt in day-to-day or even month-to-month or even year-to-year fiscal affairs. In absence of any functional institutions apart from army and also in absence of any fucntional institutions that yield effective oversight over state policies, it is pretty much loot time from the day the party is sworn into office. This destroys both capital and credibility of state .. again army doesn't interfere in this. This is really funny, because army is directly affected by the health of a state but they can do nothing about it.

the lahore metro bus service was financed by increasing GST to farming inputs like pesticide and urea by 13%. This would accrue additional revenue of pakistani Rs. 5000 crore. Now Lahore, Islamabad Metro Bus System cost was 4700 -4900 crore thus one gets an idea how such schemes are financed in pakistan. This will destroy agriculture, but give Nawaz something to show off to public as his Islamabad-Lahore highway. Again army does not intervene when agriculture is being thus destroyed in Pakistan, they are going to be eventually affected by this and not Nawaz who will shift to Riyadh or London or Dubai after his tenure. It is the army that has to survive as an institution since they are the ones who are responsible for undermining and destroying the remaining functional institutions in that country, yet they have no objection on such budgeting practices.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 10:41
by Aditya_V
Habal- I think the Pakis know better than you. They survive mainly on Dole, which is disguised in subsidy for weapons(compare Indian and Paki purchases for same weaponry Harpoons, C-130 J upg etc., direct payments to suppliers outside Pak., Hidden as NRP earnings etc. (lot of gulf dole).

Pakis know from 68 years experience that the will of 3.5 friends is so great to harm India, they have been keeping them afloat, if one or two of them have a serious rethink, country will collapse in 2-3 years without Mohd. Ghori/ Ghazni type raid on India.

Unfortunately our defenses are too weak, mainly due to deliberate bungling by C-system with 3.5 Friends help to make sure this can not be sorted out easily.

And lets not forget the Ghaznis and Ghoris failed 17 times before they succeeded. So we need to find a permanent solution to this.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 10:46
by KLNMurthy
Anujan wrote:Do you remember musharraf brag that it took India 30 months to launch a SDRE satellite whereas Pakistan launched a TFTA satellite in one week and one TFTA satellite = 10 SDRE satellites?

http://www.dawn.com/news/79439/satellit ... s-paksat-i
“Pakistan’s space programme is now ahead of India after the formal launching of Paksat-I and this is due to the hard work of our scientists and I am sure Indians would take another 30 months to do the job,” Gen Musharraf claimed.
But then it turned out that the satellite belonged to Huges which had failed, the insurers paid back the money, it was switched off and moved to the slot owned by Pakistan so that they don't lose the slot. :rotfl:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paksat-1

Turned out, all the satellite had done was to downhill ski to Pakistan and was rented baksheesh maal which didn't work. It did look pretty TFTA sitting up there. Unlike its poor SDRE satellite neighbors which actually had to do hard work like orbitting properly and use its transponders and cameras.


Another data point on why if musharrafs lips are moving be is lying. Fellow is a big gas bag and lost every war he fought. He did conquer Pakistan parliament though in a brilliantly planned coup.
Also:
The budget for science and technology, he pointed out, had been increased by 4,000 per cent

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 11:36
by Dipanker

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 11:42
by SSridhar
habal wrote:The prime minister of Pakistan has the honor of selecting who amongst the eligible lt. general's will be the next army chief. He can bypass seniority and he can do as he pleases. Basically he can select his next lord.
Habal saheb, of course, the Prime Minister of Pakistan enjoys the right to choose his/her own nominee for the post of COAS or the DG, ISI with a further caveat 'at his/her own peril'.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 12:03
by habal
Aditya_V wrote:Habal- I think the Pakis know better than you. They survive mainly on Dole, which is disguised in subsidy for weapons(compare Indian and Paki purchases for same weaponry Harpoons, C-130 J upg etc., direct payments to suppliers outside Pak., Hidden as NRP earnings etc. (lot of gulf dole).
you got a point aditya. But even in presence of all this dole, they are failing. Karachi has no water and no electricity except in select areas. Even select areas have no water. As per Zulfiqar Mirza, Zardari gave Bahria Towns new development water permit and they laid a bypass from the main water line that supplies Karachi which spirited off remaining water out of karachi to some new upcoming township which hasn't even begun settlement. So most of Karachi today depends upon water tankers that come as per paying capacity of consumer. Middle-class has once a week tankers and more well off have once every 2 days.

I agree that pakistani folk are extremely strong willed and have this knack to survive akin to a virus which is seeking it's latest host and will not die even if you heat it in boiling water for less than 3 minutes. But in presence of repeated assaults, over long period of time, even such stubborn resistance doesn't hold fort.

Lahore, Rawalpindi etc have some water but no electricity, since electricity comes for 6 hours and then goes off for 6 hours.

Average electricity bills are pakistani rupee 8000 for a small family. And even then this is what they get.

this is the state of an urban pakistani then what about a rural pakistani who naturally will have no electricity. Water from borewell only. This specimen survives on food and hex, which is the only entertainment for rural folk. But these are not folks from central asia who are desperate to survive with no food left in winter. These rural folks receive both food and hex in summer and winter and as such have no will to fight a war and win, as compared to central asian uzbeki folks like babur and those on border like ghazni etc who had scarce resources during winter and all the motivation to seek better prospects in war campaigns elsewhere. There is no possibility of massed formations because airplanes and missiles and nuclear, biological, chemical weapons make such massed formations vulnerable unlike middle ages. Then again those valiant conquerers had to only deal with city states and kingdoms while they had strategic depth that extended from attock to ferghana. To attack even a kingdom in those days, the potential conquerers would have needed such strategic depth. What is the strategic depth of pakistan today ? they can pray to ISIS or equivalent to come and capture pakistan. but even in that case 30% of paksitan is immidiately under threat.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Posted: 06 Jun 2015 15:32
by Avinash R
Two suicide bombers explode while fighting in Sargodha
http://arynews.tv/en/two-suicide-bomber ... n-sargodha

June 6, 2015 14:39

SARGODHA: A terrorist attack aborted in Sargodha when the jackets of two would be suicide bombers blown up during a brawl between them, ARY News reported on Saturday.

According to reports, the suicide vests of two alleged bombers blew up when they were involved in a scuffle near Khayam Chowk in Sargodha.

Heavy contingents of police and ambulances reached to the place of incident after blasts. Policemen cordoned off the crime scene.

DCO Sargodha Saqib Manan talking to media said that it will be premature to say anything about the incident. Almighty has saved the city from a big loss, he said.

The police has taken the dead bodies of two suspected suicide bombers in its custody for investigtion, DPO Sargodha Sajjad Hussain Munj said. The police has gathered evidence from the crime scene to inquire into the incident, he further said.